Moscow Trip : Wing Chun VS Systema by Sifu Leo Au Yeung (莫斯科之旅－當詠春遇上西斯特瑪) 

me too

That happens all the time. Maintaining civility seems to be the real trick though when combat is involved.

+Anthony Wayne Not really, I don't think maintaining civility is a problem, when you understand one another. It's the unspoken bonds of martial artists, who love the art for the sake of the art.

"Combat" Not sparring. I understand what you are saying though.

Anthony Wayne No, combat as well. "Know yourself, know your enemy, and victory will follow."

They learned nothing, because they know nothing. Sorry, facts hurt more than fake punches.

+Chris Bloor I couldn't agree more. Far too many videos on youtube do nothing else than to glorify their own ways while bashing how others do things.

+KamratJohan I've seen many videos that "glorify their own ways" but not even one that bashes how others do things". I don't blame people who glorify theiir own ways because that's their area of expertise. If a martial art practitioner bashes how others do things, he should not be practising one of the most respected arts in the world because martial art is not only about fighting, it's about discipline, restraint, and humblenss.

Agreed!!

+Chris Bloor Martial Arts video's need more comments like this instead of the usual armchair criticism that usually plagues the comment section . Have a thumbs up, sir!

Great video, never would have thought that systema and wing chun would have had so much in common.

Dan Mc Kiernan soft and hard? that sounds like a contradiction? nooo nonono

0HAM0revived you don't always use one method throughout your life. That's the theory of Bruce Lee's Be Like Water. Flow with your opponent. Be soft when he is attacking and go hard when he is down and open. At least thats my interpretation.

i was making a joke lol havent you seen man of tai chi

***** Very true,what u said, its a sign of a true martial artist,unfortuntately people nowdays are to selfish and have no respect for others so they lack the ability to improove and evolve.

Maybe it will compliment his Cha-Cha dancing.

which both styles...Leo tried to apply what he had learned from systema, he did not use any WC technique.

Ink Lead sparring..? Roll playing, sparring you hit each other,

@@fightingfisherman9690 Yes this was not sparring - just friendly tactics and positioning battle.

Ink Lead I wouldn’t call that sparring at all

nobody sparred and that's the problem with both these bullshit styles.... they don't spar because the systems are worthless for actual fighting.

I also found out, that Systema is very similar to some Kung Fu techniques, such as Tai Chi

I've found Systema and Kung fu to be very similar to organized religion

Grabaka Sennin Kung Fu means to master something over a long period of time and a great deal of practice. If you're referring to a martial art could you be more specific? If any martial art requires you to hold religious beliefs I'd advise steering clear of it.

Josh Pickles There's a problem within most martial arts that has students that are laymen, that trains for health benefits, casually. There's a cult-mentality at work. I've been trough many traditional martial arts, and this hysteria is almost always present. Not all clubs tho. You seem to have the right idea. I broke with traditional martial arts because you won't have to deal with politics. You can also tailor your own style, like the creators of old styles did to begin with. :)

Grabaka Sennin I also had this experience with tai chi. I later found a teacher who doesn't focus on chi or energy. Things are better now with my new teacher. Internal arts look like magic but are in truth just clever physics. It's a big attraction for easily lead people looking to fill a gap in themselves so you're right about arts that require some form of blind faith.

firefighter5278 systema is sometimes cringe

I take the best from two worlds!

Where do you se 2 athletes?

I strictly measure dicks.

Exactle

yup

WillBrink this shit doesnt even work x'D bullshit masters

+Patrick Pollitt Clearly, you are knowledgeable in the art of self defense, oh wise sage. You, of course, must fully understand the complexities of martial arts at a level that we cannot comprehend. Please, demonstrate to us the proper way to defend oneself, a way that is fool proof in any situation.

Funny enough I do, and this bullshit art doesn't work at all... maybe against somebody drunk without any fighting experience... I tried it myself, coming from an mma background and I smelled bullshit as soon as. the techniques are terrible and useless, I take you down and rain elbows on your face and all that fucktard art goes outa the window fella... good luck

no one says you should totally use it the way they teach you to use it, and no one restricts you to learning a single art. what is art anyway? hearing bullshit from others or should you be filtering out the useless and save only the useful from multiple arts in your way? because really what the masters do is expressing their own understanding other than what you think, how much you will find in their teaching is up to you. Of course if you are teacher you'd know the situation, otherwise stick to your subjective understanding and keep the complains to yourself

Learning by playing is a huge part of systema. I'm pretty sure my face looks like that every time I'm practicing. I mean, once the physical training portion (with all the push-ups) is over and you go to the technical part.

@@anindividualist6945 And you think that's gonna protect you and your family? Better hold on to that gun.

@@beerthug Do all of my hobbies need to help protect myself and my family?

@@anindividualist6945 At least one, and you'd best be damn good at it! Family first, playing tag second.

@@beerthug Being fit is also a part of protecting yourself and your family. And the psychological training and emotionnal control Systema provides is invaluable in my everyday life.

Was very graceful xchange

that's not sparring.

I think muay thai is the most effective in a ring or in the street too.

Mark de Haan yes sir!! Bushido!!

Trueeee dat

You're statement is grammatically unparallel

I agree with what you were trying to say though. You have to use all of them since all martial arts are now being practiced in countries outside of their origin they are mostly all available

Lmfao omg yes

lol

Lucas this is a top comment in my opinion :)))) =)))

Ya ya kkk ... in a real fight ivan would roll they fucking soul away

sounds like a song ^^ ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CtwJvgPJ9xw.html

+Charles this feels so true... i find it ridiculous to be only learning a martial art

Try SILAT

Yes

maybe it is time to learn an art that will actually work in the real world?

Wow next level troll!

I find people on RU-vid typically are very immature, having nothing to do with age. Their egos are huge, therefore they learn very little. This video shows some of the value of being humble and respectful of other martial arts. Never stop learning.

I think its because of insecurity.

Because people come from different disciplines. There are bad techniques in various martial arts that while good for exercise or show, are not effective in an actual fight. If you notice, in a real fight people do not use carefully choreographed moves, but rather very coarse and messy movements because the goal is to react without making yourself vulnerable. Doesn't matter how long you practice, no one uses fancy stuff when their life is on the line unless the opponent is completely caught off guard or inebriated.

Amen !!

@Logan Sensō no tenshi Afraid so. I used to train Wing Chun and years later, I can see what a waste of time it is. This is why no one wins MMA fights or real fights using Wing Chun or any of these 'just stand there while I wrist lock you' martial arts. People don't like the reality. I mean, I get it, but they really need to drop _their_ egos and admit that they might be wrong.

thanks for your suport

+KAR WING Lai I've learned a bit of Karate, got blue belt in Tae Kwon Do and a year of training in Choi Lee Fat (蔡李佛). My brother practiced some Wing Chun and I once free fought with him and beat him with, guess what, Wing Chun because picking up Wing Chun's moves is quite easy, refining the techniques, of course, is hard in every kind of martial art. This is so spirit-lifting that Sifu Leo Au Yeung (歐楊師傅) tries to learn different forms of combat from different areas because that was how Bruce Lee survived the challenges from all directions - street fighting where there is no form, just substance; Wing Chun for close-up punches and kicks; side-kick for medium range attacks; and, most of all, endurance for surviving continuous and multiple blows from a stronger opponent. A wiseman in martial art once said, "Martial Art is all about being the one who can still stand up at the end of a fight!" Therefore, any martial art lesson should include a session of free fight and students should not be limited to what they just learned in class, they should be able to use any form, any areas (門派) of martial art, and should be fought with rappling gloves (like those used by MMA fighters) to mock a real fighting situation. Anyway, thanks for the upload, 多謝晒歐陽師傅!

+Will Wong thanks for your support

+Will Wong martial arts are all simply paths to the peak of the same mountain. master just one, and concepts from all the others become familiar and you can appriciate their beauty and efficiency based on the context in which they were formed for...

+Andrew Lee exactly what I was thinking. What works works across the board. We had a okinawan karate and Kung fu practitioner come to our school. Very similar techniques with only a lil variance.

fluidity of movement is a great indication of mastery in technique much more so than explosive power. That's why body building is counter productive in learning highly mobile and adaptive movements and bad for progressing to expert martial art level. Of course it's beneficial for basic street brawling until your opponent isn't a beginner and then it's a liability and a dead end for progressing.

@@oneginee So fluid he dropped his gun. I hope most people keep thinking that this will protect you, make's my job easier.

Yeah, it's called hold onto your gun!

The only thing systema offends, is my sense of reality.

XD

without sufficient training you have more chance getting booted in the face ;)

Maneuvering on the ground is just as important as footwork while standing. keep in the the low acrobatics turn you into a smaller, albeit still very capable and fast moving target (with the correct training) and Systema IS a military fighting style, which incorporates firearms as well as martial techniques. It may look silly, but in the event of its actual use, this guy would be incredibly fast to get up and around, even in open terrain.

How bout No ? I'll help u roll with my kicks.

How bout No ? Don't forget to smile 🤕

Idiots

those two Russians are conmen... not fighters.

Psh..

roflmao "humble and respectful" ahahahahahaha

+thoyo I wonder how much experience they need to _see_ where the opponent is applying pressure/force from and what direction.

+Eiad I no longer practice wing chung ,all I can tell you is that they don't try to see anything or you don't have to learn something and have it in your brain and then apply it ,wing chung has special exercises created to develop your senses of feeling in other words when your body feels a preassure or a force it reacts by itself ,so you have to train your body to react not to learn or apply new techniques ,of course you learn stuff but all of it its just a reaction ,I'm not saying that other martial arts have the same or that wing chung is better I'm saying it depends on you and what you like :)

Andres Alemany I see. So, it is more of an intuitive fighting style, which is dominated by the correct reactions? As opposed to analyzing which technique to use for each move.

+Eiad Exactly there are exercises you can do with a partner both applying pressure so the body flows with it and when you are in a fight instead of thinking what to do you just react ex your hands feel the contact with a punch and they will know if you need to contra attack or flow with it and attack at the same time

+Eiad yes. Systema Ryabko is very similar in that regard. we do a lot of sensitivity training. learning how to correctly feel for the opponent's structure in order to break it and take them down.

at first, watching the guy tumble around looked pretty stupid. then when i saw him spar, i actually saw the application of it and how useful it ended up being. it's just like bruce lee said: take what is useful and discard the rest.

seeing shit, you do not need to know much about it to understand what it is

Everyone hating on Noodly-Arm Duckwalk Style Gung Fu and Sho Ryu-ken Chi Blasting have never studied either art or have no knowledge of the principles behind them. Don't shit on something you're not familiar with - that type of behavior ruins martial arts.

yeah get's a bit much when people think their style is better, the moutain is the same just different way's to get to the top

I.have been to a Systema seminar in nYc hosted by Vladimir Vasiliev... Trust me when i tell you ...he is THE REAL DEAL

"Systema" is like saying "Kung Fu" - a huge umbrella for martial arts of many kinds. Like Kung Fu, a Systema master will be able to do both Ivan and Evgyeny's styles

@@SantomPh "systema" literally means "system". In the given context, it is like a weapon system, or a martial arts system. You can easily replace that word with "style" or "discipline". Not sure why "systema" word became a brand name in English speaking world. Most probably, it was derived from Kadochnikov's system (система Кадочникова).

good move ;)

Your right, better to save time and just knock them out together. Then they can roll around some more when they awake.

Yes they will hit you with their punch and turn you into a floppy fish

Dan D and you yourself must be a ninjadeltaforceSASdeathtouch expert

Hey shut up! Uh... are you going to eat that?

I'm sorry, can you explain how you doing overt ornamental rolling around before a basic leg sweep is anyting close to effective?

+Dan D Lmao!! Doesn't it get annoying? My answer for them is travel to that city or Country go to there Dojo and challenge them if you're not going to do that then STFU SMH

@@justing7490 Lol WHy don't you go to there Dojo and ask them?

True story: Nico Bellic is based off of Russian actor Vladimir Mashkov. He actually was asked to do the voice acting, but declined himself, because he wasnt much interested into gaming and also didnt realize how big this deal was at that time.

@@Stuntmandouble08 is that the guy that played in the movie Behind Enemy Lines? The sniper guy?

@@TheSixStringGuy Yeah, thats him!

@@Stuntmandouble08 I always wondered that cause he looks so much like him....damn what an opportunity Mashkov missed

Second guy was using Tai Chi and Judo

Bob Jones having done taiji, jujutsu, judo, and systema I would say systema. Of course I am not familiar with his particular school, but one of the common games I see across schools involves a sort of all in non jacketed grappling from feet to ground (that includes standing, small, and leg joint manipulation), and the lessons he was giving likely came from that experience. Not that there isn't any crossover with the two you mentioned, but if you look at his mentality in fighting, he didn't much care if he was up or down, which is unlike both disciplines, but very systema.

That reversal at about 11:50 is an application of ground acrobatics.

I have never tried systema, but I practice primarily Wudang Kung Fu styles including Tai Chi or the Yang, Chen, Wu, and Sun varieties and this is primarily Tai Chi applications with a Judo flavor. I'm not sure if systema is a very old art but if it isn't I can tell you what it's based on....

Bob Jones It may interest you to know that I've heard the exact same claim from aikido masters, ba gua teachers, and silat exponents. I have also seen crossover with western fencing, boxing, wrestling, and yoga. However while many of the attributes that systema targets are to be found in many other disciplines, the pedagogy is very different. There is no long form to learn, there is no push hands, no stance training, there is no gi, no chi kung, no uchi komi, no formal corpus of techniques etc.Muddying up the issue further was the soviet penchant for rewriting history and a complete disregard for lineage or even the notion of copyright law. I would say modern systema is a synthesis of native soviet wrestling and striking traditions (like wall fighting) synthesized and augmented with sports science, firearms training, prison fighting knowledge. and any other relevant disciplines and data Stalins people could dig up from foreign countries, combined with what modern participants bring to the table because it is open ended. Add in intricate knowledge of firearms. But this is my opinion. Here is an article discussing some of this, although I don't think they have all the facts... For example there is some evidence that western sword fighting through family traditions are also part of systemas foundation. But, it has some relevant info ensomartialarts.com/sambo/

MrRandomTwat your wrong, the biggest defence you have is the other persons morality.

MrRandomTwat you dont understand my comment because you dont understand combat.

MrRandomTwat wait. how much do you actually understand? do you not understand or do i think so complicated. icba to explain.

What the fuck are you talking about?

MrRandomTwat not doing yourself any favours here lol.

+Cameron Kauhega You mean Bruce Lee the movie star? How can you measure a movie star? I'm confused?

Ok, let me get this right. Lee beat 3 guys and this means. What exactly? I'm a fast runner I beat my brothers in a race and they wouldn't lie, If I would tell you my friends and family believes Im faster than usain bolt what would you say to me? As the standard to validate my claim?

Because Bruce won some street fights does this mean he is the king of all martial artist? What standard are you using? Please explain this to me.

+Mike Johnson He means Bruce Lee's fighting PHILOSOPHY not his overall skill.

+NelsonVasquez777 Three nigga's? Smh.. Your response is so primitive I really don't know where to start with you. I asked you a single question which was a question about skill measurement and you respond like a weak emotional female. Oh I supposed to take not question and just believe in some fool like you who is a text warrior. I have already demonstrated my martial arts skill, and I took a kid who was very un-athletic with a low I.Q put trained him a bit over a year and he won a tournament in sparring, placed second in weapons and third in open hand forms. Then as an experiment I wanted to see how he would do against karate black belts and in 2 fights he won his first with a power side kick I just taught him in 1 week and had a trained black belt crying like a female and he lost his second fight because he couldn't accept what he could do and deviated from how I trained him. What I respect about Bruce Lee was his desire to liberate himself from Classical martial arts. But what I'm against is this B.S attempt to put him as some dang guru. This is why Lee closed down all his Gung-Fu schools because idiots like you and others look at him as some supernatural god. Some people in the orient worship him as a god to this day. If you respect Bruce Lee attempt to respect others views, learn from others, stop worshipping individuals, rather learn the knowledge from all people. This is what Bruce meant by absorb what is useful, reject what is useless and add what is distinctly your own. I know much more about Bruce than you and he gave lessons and he received lessons as well. This is why he respect other forms of combat because he had too. If you could be more respectful I could share with you those who schooled Lee and also those who Bruce copied and admired and added some of their knowledge to his martial arts concept. It wasn't a system by the way. My point is stop this fan-Fanatic B.S and rather discuss the knowledge he was sharing with the world. If you respond back to me in a disrespectful way then I wont respond back.

Hi Junior, I think you missed the point of the video here. He was there to learn from another style and not to do a huge demonstration of Wing Chun. Nowhere in this video is it made clear that Leo has no knowledge of the things you stated. Furthermore, I'm a little disappointed that, after so many people saw the benefits of this kind of humble, gracious, and open exchange of knowledge (as gleaned from reading the other comments) that you would to display an attitude similar to the mentality of "my style of martial arts can beat up your style" that I see all too often in the comments section of so many martial arts videos on RU-vid. Asking questions is great. Flag waving is not.

Keybombmusic That's why they say ignorance is bliss.

You would think, of all the styles, drunken master should be the most prevalent in Russia.

drunk like your mother

Woohooo! Got a true ,,hitman'' here! Ppl like u, doing ,,mother'' insults are nothing more than garbage

LOL, Vodka style

Sand Shadow systema goes well with drunken fist

You learn it as Russian Style. When I was in RU nobody knew either wtf was Systema so I decided to show some videos to make them understand what I'm looking for and they pointed me to something called Russian Style. It's the same phenomena as asking a local in Moscow where is Gorky Park. Nobody knows where it is. They usually reply Moscow City!? (no kidding) Ask for Park Pobedy and there you go!

And the heavens parted....suddenly, a voice of reason!

@Beeblebrox One But you wouldn't, cause you don't know shit about real fighting.

+BikersPOV Best comment.