This is a bit of a long one, but I have a lot of stuff to cover on my Mosin build. It's just about done and ready to breathe some fire, and burninate the peasants.
Because it was a good shooting gun that would make a good shooting build. The rarity/value of certain types of standard Russian rifles is severely overstated. This is a gun that's worth MAYBE a $20 premium over a garbage, shot out round receiver model. Why not use the better rifle in the first place? It's not like I did this to a rare Finn rifle. There were approximately 4.3 MILLION of this specific year range rifle built, lol.
Honestly, just about every shooter I talk to in my immediate area (which is a LOT of people here in Utah) has a Tula Hex of some vintage in their collection gathering dust. So while 4.3 million of them from this factory and time frame certainly no longer exist, they're not as rare as most people think. When I finally decided to build this one, there were 3 sitting in my local gun store's Milsurp rack for $250, one of which was 20 numbers away on the serial, which was pretty neat. It's not a gun with historical provenance. Mine showed no indications of service. It sat on an armory shelf until '30 when it was converted from Dragoon configuration to 91/30 configuration, and was then stored again to be re-stocked and stored yet again in the 50s until Century scooped it up. I've said this before: I don't buy guns to collect and not shoot. I buy guns to shoot until there's no rifling left, and in order to do that, I will make the gun more comfortable and easier to use. Owners of Hex Tula Mosins should be thanking me, because I just made their pristine, never shot, white glove treatment $250 garbage rod that much more "rare" and therefore "valuable" by me taking it out of their gene pool. Plus, I enjoy how upset people get (and by the comments below, oh boy are they upset) by what I choose do with my property. If it inspires them to go "save" a numbers matching hex from their local gun store's Milsurp crap rack to keep in the safe and coo over like it's their own personal Mona Lisa, even better.
Booligan Airsoft and Shooting Sports I’m sorry dude but that rifle saw a lot of use. Russia was in constant war/skirmishes from the early 1900s to the end of WWII. All rifles were used.
Mohamed Amer Guerrera There is a difference between adding a foregrip and a scope to an AR15, and chopping up and bastardising a 100 year old 19th century designed rifle. :D
short arms NO YOUR WRONG ..russians in the 1890's did not wear tee shirts in the winter around moscow , people wore lots and lots of heavy clothes ,, understand , furs, , wool, anything to keep from freezing to death, get the howlingraven striker spring for faster bolt action
In the time period that this gun was seeing the majority of its use (1920-1940), your average Russian male was over 2" shorter than your average Englishman, German, and American. Russians, historically aside from one blip in 1900, were substantially shorter than other major players in weapons design and development. In 1920, your average Russian soldier's height was 5'4". This is a historical fact backed up by evidence. I'm not saying you're wrong. You're right, and yes, heavy winter clothing is a big reason that the length of pull is short on Mosins. But it's ALSO because of the fact that Russians at the time were substantially shorter and as such, required a shorter length of pull. It's not always winter in Russia, they're not always wearing winter clothes...
Copy/pasted from a response to someone else who mentioned this below: "In the time period that this gun was seeing the majority of its use (1920-1940), your average Russian male was over 2" shorter than your average Englishman, German, and American. Russians, historically aside from one blip in 1900, were substantially shorter than other major players in weapons design and development. In 1920, your average Russian soldier's height was 5'4". This is a historical fact backed up by evidence. I'm not saying you're wrong. You're right, and yes, heavy winter clothing is a big reason that the length of pull is short on Mosins. But it's ALSO because of the fact that Russians at the time were substantially shorter and as such, required a shorter length of pull. It's not always winter in Russia, they're not always wearing winter clothes..." It's both things. Smaller physical size of your average Russian conscript, and need for winter clothes. Both parts made for a stubby little length of pull that was easily rectified with a butt pad extension.
As a 6’1” guy with long arms, it really was necessary. The cheap chinese pad is so rigid I don’t think it helps at all The stock was so short that my thumb would slam into my glasses after every shot and hurt my prescription glasses frame.
Just got a M44, all matching serials too, from 1944; hopefully it killed some Nazis before getting put into storage. I won't ever do any mods to this that can't be undone. I'm 6'1" and I find the length of pull just fine. That said, I shoot AR types with the stock out 2 clicks from closed usually, plus or minus (on a 6 position stock). I only put 40 rounds through in the first session. I did not mind the recoil with the steel butt plate. Yes, I have a bruise, but so what. Can't do much damage to somebody with a rubber pad.
Did you really cut a barrel on a matching numbers hex receiver? Why? Just buy a mix matched serial number mosin and chop that one....I'm all for sporterizing a mosin if it's mix matched parts but what you did was stupid. Disliked.
Why was it stupid? It's a clean, good shooting rifle that isn't particularly rare. To do what you suggest would require me to spend hundreds of dollars more on an inferior base gun that would then shoot like crap. If Mosins were still $80, like this one cost me when I bought it, sure, I'd have sporterized one of those, but even in my gun friendly state, a totally shot out and rusted round receiver garbage rifle was over $300. Why spend more money for a worse rifle. Old =/= rare or valuable. I now have a better gun that I enjoy shooting more compared to stock form. There are plenty of virgin guns just like mine was that are stored away in museums and safes and handled with satin gloves. I buy my guns to shoot them, not stare at them in a climate controlled vault while sipping brandy. So fuck yeah I'm going to modify my gun that I purchased to shoot in order to make it shoot better. Also, it makes people like you FURIOUS, and that's fun for me.
Booligan Airsoft and Shooting Sports I’m not furious at all lol. But that was an number matching Ex-dragoon. I mean it is a good $400-$450 rifle depending on location. Thanks for raising the price of my collection!
Because it was a great shooter before the mods, and an even better shooter now. Much better than a shot out cobbled together garbage rod. And I like doing my part to help people that like to handle their numbers matching Mosins with white gloves and never shoot them to have increased value and rarity by taking mine completely out of the value pool, lol.
thank you for sharing that you bubbafied a beautiful IMHO a beautiful Mosin, but as the saying goes it's your rifle you can do what you want but I want to thank you for driving the value of my and many others like my self that have unmodified Mosin Nagants up in value... just my two cents
there are millions of these guns, i think making one thats unique is FAR more interesting than having a bone standard one that literally everyone with $200 can get.
300 dollar mosins? I'm sorry, but that would ruin the gun. The thing that makes it so good is that it's cheap and the ammo is cheap. By modding excessively or paying 300 dollars I don't see the gun being practical. You have to manually take out stripper clips, I get five inch groups with my 91/30, and I really try my best to take care of my guns, but it's just not polished enough to pay that much for. Unless it's a Finnish M44. Gimme gimme! I want one oh so much.
YOU TOOK THAT MOSIN FROM A BEAST TO A USEFUL BEAUTY GOOD JOB. PLUS STOP THE WHINING PPL THEY'RE MILLIONS OF THESE RIFLES & THEY HAVE STOPPED GOING UP IN PRICE SINCE SPAM CANS ARE GETTING HARDER TO FIND & CLOSE $300 A CAN IVE BEEN SEEING MORE ON ARMSLIST WHY BECAUSE IT AINT CHEAP ANY MORE SO STOP YOUR YAPPING SOUND LIKE WHINING KIDS. AWESOME RIFLE & AWESOME JOB.👍
Just because it's a numbers matching hex reciever doesn't mean it's rare. There are very rare collectable Mosins, but just because its older than a round receiver dosen't make it one of them.
Ryan Smith Exactly. People act like I grabbed Vasily Zaytsev’s rifle off the wall of a museum and butchered it. Yes, it’s a hex. Yes, it’s numbers matching. That just means it’s a solid, good shooter, alongside its 5-6 million other similar vintage rifles.
So what I’m gathering is you took a highly desirable historic gun, hacked it up and made it ugly as sin, and put some cheesy red dot on it because you lopped the barrel off and decided to call it a “build”
okay, i'm not going to complain why you did this, i am going to critique this by request of a friend who watched this. recoil pad, good thing, ammo pouch, good thing, sling, good thing and muzzle brake that can use supressor, GOOD. Now lets get to the bad things. WHY DIDN'T YOU KEEP THE DAMN SIGHTS!?! You took something bomb proof and replaced it with a finicky red dot. What if it gets wet? what if the battery runs out? they make alot of see through mount so you can keep the good old irons, Brass stacker makes them and a mount to put your old front sight back on. And then if the worst did happen, the scope you have broke, or the red dot, then you still have iron sights. My only other question is why would you want the extension? i mean it looks good, but then you have to feed in 2 stripper clips vs just feed 1. So is it worth the issues? i give this a 3.5/5, because the mods are practical, but the lack of iron sights hurt it.
Comments: "What the fuck did you do! You ruined it!" Also Comments: "I see nothing wrong with having a legit Obrez" Honestly, the guy can do whatever he wants with it. We see people modding old muscle cars and none of you are jumping their shit. If you don't own a Mosin, then you don't know the pains it can cause you.
you can get a 10 round mag extension that works and would look awesome on that at www.heartlandffa.com/ and it is only $42 with shipping and is also made in USA or to be more specific TEXAS!
bastardized. That's what you just did to a matching serial number hex ex dragoon. And stop lying about the recoil pad... its not for "more length for pull". You're firing a full powered rifle cartridge from a 16 inch barrel. You're scared of the kickback.
I love the idea, but why the fuck would you bastardise such a collectable firearm. I get that they made tonnes of these but '26 hex numbers matching... come on! At least use a plane jane millions made mosin. Like saying you deep fried a wagyu steak
I would’ve used a non numbers matching shooter, and skipped on the 2’ mag, but otherwise it could play the part in a new Star Wars movie pretty easily.
+GunMan1365 I bought it for $90 13 years ago, and I've got $295 total in it now, counting that price. If I wanted to buy one now, it'd start at $250 and go up from there.
Lol, I feel ya, I have gotten tons of hate for my modified Mosin. All I've done so far was put it in an ATI stock and replace the rear sight w/ a rail for a scope. I mentioned in a video of my plans to chop it down and add a muzzle break on it and at least one guy is yelling at me. Back in 2015 when I first modding my Mosin I have gotten nothing but anger from some people and my favorite reply was "There's a special place in Hell for you!"
stanley Howe there weren’t any battle dings and dents, only storage dents from sitting on my gun rack for 10 years before I did this to it. And if you’re worried about me steaming out those dents, how do you feel about the 12” of barrel I chopped off, lol?
My papa said to me back in 1989 that no matter what you do to a mosin nagant you can only make it better. So i chopped the barrel in half, cut the stock off and jerry rigged it to be folding stock, spray painted the rest of the wood on it black, and mounted some homemade ghost ring sights to it. I wasn't very happy with what i did, but My daddy was so proud of me! He said "son you could sell that rifle and make at least 25$ on it." so... thats what i did!!! And now i own alot of guns and i am very happy
It's your gun & money and it's a nice build, I did a Scout Rifle build smellier with one of my original matching # M44's put a Badace Scout Scope mount & HI/LUX LEATHERWOOD BDC, LER Scout scope for my truck gun shortened the barrel with the muzzle brake, Brass Stacker leather cheek rest an sighted to 400 Yd's and have not had a complaint from any Coyote's, Deer's, Hog's or Ground Hog's yet it's your gun & money enjoy it an laugh at the cry baby's .
@@booliganshootingsports lol thanks really not criticism, rifle is perfectly done . Still though I also have a cool m91/59 that was originally 91 /30Arsenal rebuilt, that is really cool. So these builds have happened for many Generations. All good thanks. Hope made sense
I got a 1946 M44 once that had been beaten to shit but was still fully matching. Ended up turning it into a scout rifle, but everything I did was reversible. Sold it for roughly $850.
mosins are not designed for people who have short arms they are designed to be at the proper length when you're wearing your winter gear in Russia which gets cold
I can't wait til mine is done. I bought a new Stock body for it. Found out my barrel was rusted, so I intend to have a 17.5 barrel installed and will replace the full length 9130 stock with a Krook(Kpyk) Mosin Nagant stock from Ukraine.
Keep in mind, the Sig Romeo didn’t really exist when I built this, lol. This was built in mid 2016, the Romeo One didn’t come out until end of the year from what I’ve seen.
Did you take your barrel off to have it threaded? I'm having a hard time finding someone that's able to thread a 16.5 Nagant barrel. How did you get it done?
@@kevo6767 You can use a die and pilot albeit unless your using a suppressor like the deadair wolverine i wouldn't advise it. Ive removed mosin barrels before and its not the easiest without a very good vice setup.
@@craposnap I ended up getting a barrel specific die. It actually worked out very well and was far easier then removing the barrel. I know that's ideal but the gun itself i paid maybe $150 back in the day so I didn't wanna dump a bunch of money into it.
@@kevo6767 I don’t blame you, it’s hard to get the barrels off simply because of the odd receiver shape. Believe it or not I actually 3D printed vice jaws for the action and it worked like a charm.
Huh, interesting. Never knew Russians/Soviets were really that short at the time. I'm like 5'5 so the length of the stock didn't feel weird, but the length of the rifle overall was awkward.
Roy Rodriguez In the time period that this gun was seeing the majority of its use (1920-1940), your average Russian male was over 2" shorter than your average Englishman, German, and American. Russians, historically aside from one blip in 1900, were substantially shorter than other major players in weapons design and development. In 1920, your average Russian soldier's height was 5'4". This is a historical fact backed up by evidence. I'm not saying you're wrong. You're right, and yes, heavy winter clothing is a big reason that the length of pull is short on Mosins. But it's ALSO because of the fact that Russians at the time were substantially shorter and as such, required a shorter length of pull. It's not always winter in Russia, they're not always wearing winter clothes...
