Love to have a rear brake light illustration to show if he is just resting his foot or actually putting the brake on because often it looks like he is still applying the brake out of the turns - maybe to stabilize the back end 🤔
Every time his foot is over the brake peg he is adding pressure. The only time there is no pressure is when his foot is off or on the foot peg. Even during acceleration petrucci is using the rear brake to control the rear wheel speed. Hope this clarifies. Guy Martin explains this quite well in his race with an F1 car video.
That’s not correct. He’s applying rear brake out of turns to prevent wheelie. They control rear wheel speed with the throttle so no need to use the brake when you need to be on the gas.
this is sweet lot to learn from here the ankle movements the heal position, the braking and though the legs are not visible completely the inclination during lean..just plain knowledge
For me this was all about rear brake. I have not been using rear brake anywhere. I will be practicing in a few weeks at 2024 RD1 with PanamSBK at HMS. Would like to have front brake included in footage to see how integrated with rear. Is there any point when both brakes are in use at the same time as in getting on rear before completing trailbraking or at/after release of front? Thanks for the fantastic video!
A RU-vidr you know what I wanted to say with that comment mate. Of course it’s a personal decision but at least it makes sense to switch the shifting. At all race events I’ve been with my bike I haven’t seen a single one who doesn’t.
A RU-vidr okay wow keep calm... When I wrote every racebike I mean that not only motogp bikes have it but also BSB, WSBK, Moto2, Endurance etc. have it. Have a great day
I downloaded the video .. 🏁🏁😁😁 best view of how riders work and how they dance on the bike. Maybe its moved on now but the fundamentals are still the same
great on board shot, now probably I have the answer about if motogp riders ever use rear brakes (although I know some riders don't use their rear brakes) again great video :)
I'm pretty sure most of them do. Is not a good idea to use the front brake during a turn, so as soon as they lean into the turn they forget about the front brake and use the rear brake only if needed. Before a turn, at the end of straights, most of the braking power is coming from the front brake, if they were to use the rear brake as well, the rear wheel would possibly lock up, because all the wheight is being displaced towards the front of the bike.
nice info, yes you're right, depending only a front brake while braking hard sometimes could be dangerous, although I heard Rossi sometimes did that such a thing, but I often see some riders do braking with their rear quite hard to do some rear wheel steering...CMIIW :D
Scott C yes you're correct, Ducati is very well known for the hard-turning bike attitude and probably that's why now I see Lorenzo could "tame" that Desmo a little bit, beacuse of the input from Stoner
Did you just say its not a good idea to use the front brake in a turn? hahahahahaha Everyone used front brake while turning, its called trail braking. If you dont use that front brake in a turn you d lose the front of the bike on every corner since the contact patch would be nonexistent.
@@RafaLepo1996 bro, get some information before commenting wrong information like that, every rider uses the front brake during turns, a tyre has much more grip that most of people think and it won't slip as easily as you may think
if I've learnt anything from this video it's that there is no formula. Do what comes naturally to you, you either gonna suck, be mediocre, be good or be great. There really is no right or wrong way.
This is not a female social media influencer who motivates the worthless followers with “its ok to give up still no one should judge you “ here in moto go is no place for trying out random shit,
I'm still alive, riding road and track. I have no idea why any of you would disagree with my initial comment, if you wanna carbon copy someone go ahead. I only advocate for riding how it feels natural to you, Rossi did the leg dangle and everyone copied thereafter, now if he had followed strict rule or advice then the leg dangle wouldn't exist isn't it. Yoh wann be a followed go ahead, your bike, your ride.
@@DjConsTricTa Tom Marrone please shut up if you don't know what you're talking about. The rear brake is used for the braking point, at the apex, and yes, during acceleration to avoid pumping and limit wheeling. The anti-wheeling comes into action when the front wheel is already lifted and cuts the power ... not really interesting. The goal here is to prevent the wheel from rising while passing power to the ground...
It different with ordinary motorcycle, i cant still dont know when turn right corner, it too hard to step rear break when the right leg go down balancing to turning
Some riders dont use the rear brake. Rossi never uses his rear brake. He controls rear wheel spin with the throttle. Each rider is different. Some will use it others wont
Why does he have one? If he uses it "never" he pull it out. it is true that the rear brake serves less and less in the initial phase of braking and more and more at the end of the braking phase and at the beginning of the acceleration phase ... But they use it :)
He has it because its a regulation to have it. According to a Brembo report in 2016 they compared Rossi and Marquez. The telemetry of 5 races showed Rossi never used his rear brake once. He prefers braking hard and enter the corner at the correct speed then as he accelerates out he will control wheel spin with the throttle and tilt with his body weight. Marquez however prefers to carry more corner speed and then use wheel spin to correct his trajectory. But to perform that he needs his rear brake to control the spin and the tilt of the bike. Rossi is more smooth in the corners and Marquez is very aggressive. So two different styles and two different braking methods.
im watching the rear brake action. anyone got any insight on the benefits? how the bike behaves in a corner when applying rear brakes? looks like he is trail braking with it.
Anyone else find it impossible to have the outside heal locked in rather than the ball of the foot? Whenever I try to do it, it takes too long for me to get my foot repositioned for the next turn. Tips on this would be cool.
SillyMonkeyRacing quite obviously it was in neutral, but with upside down gear shifter, to insert the first gear you have to push the lever up...not down....🤔
angelo iannaccone I have heard to start in 1st gear like that coming out of the garage can put a lot of stress on the gearbox .. so it's better to start out of 2nd .. that's what I have heard .. I could be wrong of course
Michael N I'm pretty sure that they use second for a smoother start and use first gear while doing a race start because it's a lot fast due to the bike being so powerful
Neutral is not between 1 and 2 on a race bike. It is at the bottom/top of the pattern depending on standard/race pattern linkage. So when they shift down with a race pattern linkage they are going from N to 1st. They lock out neutral once rolling so they dont accidentally shift back into neutral though I think it is not too common to gear a GP bike to use 1st on a track apart from the launch at the start, so unlikely to get into N even without the lockout device. Even the Ohvale I rode this weekend (fun bike btw) was setup with N at the end of the pattern.
Its a seamless gearbox and its electronically controlled. They don't even use the clutch on downshifts anymore. Its a completely different setup than a standard quick shift system on a road bike and much more expensive
777rvm i think i saw many of them still using the clutch to shift down, but yes in very quick motion. maybe just to reduce the possibilities of rear locking? or whatever reason it is..but i'm very sure i saw them used the clutch to shift down on the latest race
when you shift the gas is stopped for the amount of time (very short) needed by the gear to change position. If it wasn't so the gears would remain strongly paired and shifting would be impossible. You can do it manually or by pressing a button that stops the electric circuit of the engine (like it used to be before); the current electronic mechanism is quicker and error proof.
That is what a normal quick shift system do. But a seamless gearbox doesn't need to lift off the power to change to the next gear. That is what makes it seamless. Feel free to read this article that explains the workings of a seamless gearbox. www.sportrider.com/how-seamless-transmissions-work#page-2
You use the rear brake when exiting a corner. Very soft that you don't loose too much speed. The Bike gets a little longer which prevents wheeling so you can accelerate harder.
Is there a device being used to limit break pressure in the corner? I ride but never on a track and never on a bike that capable. Im more asking is there abs? Is it allowed on gp bike? Asking for a freind 🙄🤷♂️
i dont get why the instructors say that u can use rear break u can c the guy using it all the time, thats why i dont listen to what people say. and i still not getting why they get the leg out i tried that and doesnt make any difference, could anyone explain in case u use it and tell me why.
J Gomes leg out = helps move centre of gravity to where you want it to be. Motogp bikes are heavy and you want to change lean direction as fast as possible
OK so I got my first leg out last weekend and it felt good. Under heavy braking and downshifting. It takes a lot of effort to pull my leg back to the peg. And it actually feels normal to just let go of it and put it back up as you let go of the brakes.
G-force. More power, more speed, less time to brake, more brake power= "Heavier" legs, more g-force to your body parts. It's supposed bennefit is a mental sensation of control and stability on hard braking, but is not real cause it don't make you faster.
Its called gp shifting. Its easier to shift up a gear by simply pushing down with your foot especially in corners with the crazy lean angles the riders get.
Farhan Nugraha no its not. Its not a street bike that you buy with a quickshifter. The patter of the gears is called a gp shifting pattern. And these bikes dont have quickshifter they have seamless gearboxes
When these rider doing corner on the right turn,why these rider not doing rear brake.. Is it enough for stop the bike from + 300km/h-80,just use the front brake and the engine brake... ???
When deceleration, front brake handle 60%, engine brake 30%, rear brake 10%. Thats why front brake using carbon disc, while rear brake using metal disc.
Fajar nugraha ini giginya pake setup GPshift...kalo naik gigi bukan dicongkel tpi dorong kebawah. Jadi terbalik sama motor biasa. Soalnya klo mereka lagi balapan kakinya bisa kena trotoar klo pake congkel soalnya kan motogp corneringnya turun banget
