Motorcycle technique: Counterbalance VS Lean (Road Race Style) 

@@vansonmafeet734 hey that’s great!!! Awesome to hear and much appreciated buddy👍

That’s awesome! I love hearing that! Very 😎 cool👍

⁠ I'm a new rider. I went and practiced going in 40 ft circles and counterbalancing as I dared to let the bike lean under me. I want you to know that by doing that I leaned the bike more than I ever have before. That's the highest praise I can give you! 👍

@@gregm9230 hey that’s absolutely awesome! Well done Greg! And thank you

Hey man thanks👍 appreciate the support

Hey thanks buddy, I appreciate it!

bravo

I don’t know what Quinn is better at, communicating or riding. Really enjoying the channel.

Agreed, normally I would have had my drone up, but it’s packed and on its way to another event. definitely, I will make an effort to cover more angles in the future 👍

Yes- what he said! Hey btw, maybe we hang out together sometime and you could do all the talking, I’m pretty confident we would sound much smarter!👍 thanks buddy

Hey thanks for the positive feedback. And yes, speed absolutely changes things!

First of all, I appreciate the support. As for your question, it’s important to note you do not need to use your feet. Counterbalance does not require feet in the equation, so just have that in your head when you are turning. Regarding the foot pressure, you are correct, pushing on the inside peg or the direction of the lean will help the bike fall in and drop over. There is a common practice related to putting your weight on the outside peg when the bike is leaned over , but that in my experience is related to off road, where the outer edge of the tire can get more traction by force supplied to the outside peg if that makes sense? The only time the bike is pushed on the outside foot peg is when I’m trying to pick it back up. So whatever direction you are leaning, push that inside peg to improve the drop in. When you are ready to get out, you would get your weight up and over the outside peg and put force to it . I just did an article in Rider Magazine called “left foot right foot heavy foot light foot. “ I talk about this very technique and explain it in a bit better detail. If you can get a hold of that, check it out, it’s floating around and might be on my Facebook page Police motor training with quinn redeker

@@PoliceMotorTraining thank you very much Quinn, you finally cleared the confusion in my head! I will definitelly check out that article. Have a great one!

Riding technique fundamentals don’t change, the difference between motorcycles may accentuate aspects of the various techniques, but it doesn’t really change anything. In other words, one model with more ground clearance might allow more counterbalance before it drags hard parts or another motorcycle might have less ground clearance and require more aggressive Road race style at a given speed in order to keep it from scraping. The parallel twin engine or boxer associated with the BMW can be problematic at high speeds on a road race track where lean angles are significant. Granted, fast guys will figure out how to go fast, but it’s not necessarily the best tool for that job based on my experience with the 2007 R12S sport bike model I used to ride track days on.

I think the simplest way to answer that would be counterbalance for first gear or off-road and once you click second gear and beyond use a lean-in technique. 👍

@@PoliceMotorTraining thanks for the answer

The short answers (If I understand them correctly): -When I lean to the inside, I am not struggling or forcing or any such input. I simply move from counterbalance and trade my upright position with the motorcycles lean-in position, so NOW I'm down, the bike it up. That said, this is really not an appropriate or useful forum to communicate all the little things to do and think about in order to smoothly have a bike drop into a corner comfortably and precisely. Check out these guys: www.totalcontroltraining.net As for your second question- Yes, 2nd gear/wider turns. But think about it more in terms of momentum (how fast am I going) than a specific gear or radius of a turn. Slow (1st gear)=Counterbalance Faster (2nd-6th)= Lean-In (Roadrace) style

@@PoliceMotorTraining Thanks Quinn. Yep, definitely understand that it's a momentum thing. Thanks for the reply. Love your channel.

Great question- If you neither counterbalance, nor lean-in, and are basically just sitting neutral on the bike when in a high or low speed lean angle, your bike will work "OK" in either situation. Not optimal, not terrible. And in fact there are great reasons to just adopt a "sit centered in the middle of the bike for all situations" technique; 1) Its easy to learn and apply, 2) It's easy to teach newer riders, 3) It will work more or less everywhere. I use both techniques because they absolutely work better than an always-in-the-midle-of-the-seat technique for specific situations, of which I am experienced in. But if you don't have the knowledge and seat time to use them efficiently and appropriately, they can do more harm than good.

Hey buddy, my apologies it did not make sense for you, I generated the video to essentially articulate the reasons you would shift from one style to the next- when speeds pick up, you start dragging hard parts and then, when you transition to the lean in style, you can actually carry more speed and still not drag hard parts. That was the demonstration, so I did not so much feel the need to explain the way to perform styles, but rather why to employ them I assumed the viewer had that part sorted, so that’s on me.