MotoTRBO: Basic and Enhanced Privacy/Encryption

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What it sounds like in different privacy modes if you try to listen to another privacy mode. On Motorola DP3400.
If you want proper secure communications you have to actually pay an extra cost per radio to get AES 256. It's only worth doing this if you really really need it.
Enhanced privacy is 40 bits, which is not very much and can apparently be cracked in a few days on today's computers. Basic privacy is even less secure, with only 255 different possible keys, so someone could go through all the combinations manually but it would take a while. Basic privacy is mostly useful today to stop casual listening by scanner users, and should not be used to protect data that is meant to be private. For this, only AES should be used. Enhanced privacy is not good enough.
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@rfi-cryptolab4251 8 лет назад

Also to get the most out of that algo, make use of the full key space (10 digit hexadecimal). If you chose a bunk key like "D813C53" that could be found in about 15 minutes on a common computer. An even crappier key of say "D822BE" could be found in a couple minutes. This assumes an exhaustive search starting at 1 and going up to fffffffffe. I would use a key towards the end of the key space, like ffed91f9fe. Anyway, 40 bit Enc will stop whackers. A BP key can be found instantly with just the first 7 bytes of the first BP enc frame. There's a guy who can upgrade TRBO radios to AES 256 if you have some capable of it.

@bobthebuilder759 7 лет назад

personally i like the encrypted tpt sound better

@os7345 2 года назад

What are the beeps called at the end of the transmission when you let go of the PTT button?

@lasse120700 Год назад

Channel free indicator

@GateKommand 3 года назад

Again mate thanks for the video!!

@humansloth4096 6 лет назад

Thanks for the video. Very clear comparison. Do you know of any of the newer dual band DMR radios that support encryption (basic and enhanced). Radios like the GD-77, Ailunce HD-1, MD 2017. Thanks.

@radiosification 6 лет назад

I saw your other comments on my other videos, thanks. I will just reply here since you asked about encryption on two videos. Motorola Basic and enhanced privacy are proprietary encryption so generally not compatible with encryption on any other brands radios although there may be exceptions. The HD1 encryption is not compatible with Motorola encryption from what I know. I also tested the HD1 with the MD380 and found that encryption is not compatible with that radio either. I do not know about compatibility with other dual band DMR radios though.

@Rhcpolicedispatch 7 месяцев назад

@@radiosificationhow much did your dmr radios cost I want to get one but my other question is how do u know when a dmr ch is encrypted with the tpt talk permit tone beep :) if u can let me know asap thank u :)

@Rhcpolicedispatch 7 месяцев назад

How much did your dmr radios cost I want to get one a mototrbo radio

@radiosification 4 месяца назад

look on ebay you can find them pretty cheap

@rfi-cryptolab4251 8 лет назад

Does WinDSDV2 display the DMR voice frame data? I know how enhanced privacy works, I just want to see how basic privacy scrambles the bit stream.

@RabMac108AT10six Год назад

Hi there @radiosification i have a pair of dp4401ex radios and I'm struggling to find anythjng on programming them for my local dmr repeaters.... Can it be done with these handsets?

@radiosification Год назад

Yes. dp4401ex is a DMR radio so you will be able to use it on DMR repeaters

@allem0407 7 лет назад

Can this one be programmed with 5 Tone Police Sound like Gp340?

@catz67894 9 лет назад

Rehoboth Beach Patrol, DE just switched over to DMR. The radio refrence data says " Slot 1, Group 1, encrypted" and for channel 2 " Slot 1 Encrypted" Im considering buying a CS701 VHF to listen in but am not convinced that it will work. Can anyone help? Thanks!!!

@radiosification 9 лет назад

It won't work unless you know the encryption key

@catz67894 9 лет назад

Do you know of any way to obtain the encryption key? Is there any scanner out there that can scan their DMR channels?

@radiosification 9 лет назад

no there is no way. Well, unless you ask them for it

@catz67894 9 лет назад

ok thanks, how about a dmr scanner, is there one of those that would work

@radiosification 9 лет назад

no, there is no possible way at all, unless you want to crack the encryption which would require a lot of research work and time spent programming and is not something I can help you with

@manCaveSweden 2 года назад

What’s the encryption standard it uses?

@physisdaalma 7 лет назад

Do you have any idea how I can find one of the keys to basic privacy DMR? Do you know any program that does this?

@radiosification 7 лет назад

+Rafael Gama PU2MMS - PX2Z8630 No there is no program to do this. I cannot help you to break encryption. Please do not ask me about this anymore.

@Rhcpolicedispatch 7 месяцев назад

@@radiosificationhey just wondering how do u know on a Motorola mototrbo radio if the ch is encrypted or not let me know when u get a chance because I’m gonna try to buy a dmr mototrbo radio for my agency so yea just wanted to know how that would work or if I needed to buy a programming cable for my sl300 mototrbo Motorola radio let me know and again have a blessed night and a good weekend thank u with what ever response u give me thank u :)

@Veslanjejezivot Год назад

How can I buy this if I dont have permit?

@radiosification Год назад

Buy the radio or encryption?

@Veslanjejezivot Год назад

@@radiosification radio. Here in Croatia they dont let me..

@radiosification Год назад

@@Veslanjejezivot if your country has laws stopping you from buying something without a permit I'm not gonna help you circumvent that and break the law 😂. In the UK we can just buy them online easily. If you're talking about licences then you can usually buy a business radio licence, use an amateur radio licence and talk to other amateurs (but no encryption allowed), or use licence free frequencies like PMR446 but it's not legal

@Veslanjejezivot Год назад

@@radiosification that sounds marvelous

@BurekNeinDanke 7 лет назад

Hey do you have an idea...i have a problem listening MotoTrbo basic encryption (i know a key)with TYT MD380 because it has 4 digit basic privacy while motorola has 5 digit...any ideas on how to fix this?

@radiosification 7 лет назад

Buy a MotoTRBO radio

@BurekNeinDanke 7 лет назад

radiosification HAHAHA i was afraid of hearing that xD they are expensive AF

@radiosification 7 лет назад

They don't have to be. You can get second hand gen 1 radios for relatively cheap now. Especially if you buy one with no display like the ones I have in this video

@BurekNeinDanke 7 лет назад

radiosification I agree but i'd miss promiscus mode because Motorola radios can't have it...

@radiosification 7 лет назад

Yeah that's true. I'm not suggesting you sell the TYT though. You should be able to get one of these radios for around $100 or so on the secondhand market assuming you're in the US

@wildwaldy2223 5 лет назад

Hi I just wanted to verify but I dought what I was told is true but is this radio GMRS accepted

@radiosification 5 лет назад

No it's not

@wildwaldy2223 5 лет назад

@@radiosification that's what I thought thanks for the information happy that i wont waste my money thank you again

@fairchildr91248 10 лет назад

so i have a local police department that recently went mototrbo. I have scanned through all 16 color codes on both time slots without privacy on and heard nothing. does this mean they are using basic privacy? if they are using basic privacy it would be as simple as scanning through all color codes one encryption key at a time till i find the correct key out of the 255 keys right?

@radiosification 9 лет назад

you need to know the group codes they are using before you can listen

@libslayer0078 9 лет назад

Try DMR decode on a PC to get the color code/ group code info. You'll need a radio scanner with a *discriminator tap fed to the line in on your computer*. Install DMR Decode on your computer , hook your scanner up to your PC and decode the Mototrbo info. It won't decode encryption, but you'll know the group code, etc. Basic Privacy is 8 bit, I believe it is a key 0-255. Enhanced Privacy is 40 bit, a little over 1 trillion possible keys. Neither are real encryption, but 40 bit is enough to stop the "general public" from listening in. I'm sure they are using enhanced.