Movie Family Therapy: The Asgardians 

Thor: Ragnarok and Thor: Love & Thunder were the weakest sequels of the Thor story arc. The former merely repeated Thor being taught humility and humbleness in power and godhood from the *FAR* superior Sir Kenneth Branagh's first film in such a wacky, comedically immature way while scr%wing up one of the most epic story arcs in Marvel Comics, while the other was simply... insipid, campy and pander-stricken in so many ways to appeal to crowds who don't even care if Thor is been degraded into another bumbling id%ot of All-American coming-to-age action popcorn flickr hero from the 1980s.

I’m fairly certain Odin commanded Loki to “heel” in the Biofrost gate scene. It’s the only word his shout sounds like.

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Alan: "Joss Whedon, get help man. Your writing's too good." Depending of his mood. I have read some of his film scripts. Ew. Whom to his human skills... 😬

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Frigga was a saint! How she kept all 3 knuckleheads in line, I'll never know. What's the Asgardian version of twisting someone's ear or hitting them with your sandal??

@@wolfe6220 oh, I’m sure the sandal is a thing across dimensions

@@wolfe6220 and now I’m imagining Frigga just swiftly and cleanly removing her sandal and smacking thor with it from across Asgard, and it returns to her hand like the hammer (I can’t spell the name)

@@esppupsnkits4560 😂👍

I think MCU and cinema therapy missed an opportunity to discuss the burden of being a family’s “rock” - caregiver burnout and the depression that can be caused because these women have to be perfect saints all of the time.

Which I think is one of the reasons Hela is arguably one of the better MCU villains. Because if there's anything this particular vid has taught us, it's that Thor, Loki, and Hela were all products of Odin's mistakes. Thor became greedy and vain due to Odin having so much pride in him, Loki became fucked up due to Odin leading him on for a purpose that was never really meant to be his, and Hela became a killing machine due to Odin's desire to build what he has now. And for Hela to be banished into Hell (or I think there's only one "l" in the Norse Mythology) for most likely 2,000 years (seeing as Thor states he is 1,500 years old in _Infinity War)_ and after being set free only to find no one in Asgard knows who she is or even what she's accomplished, I can understand feeling a little upset. Because I think just about anyone can understand wanting recognition for their accomplishments in one way or another; it all depends on their motivation for recognition.

I haven't seen the movies yet but from what you described it sounds like Gamorah's arc in Guardians Of The Galaxy

@@krisrhood2127 Kind of, yeah. The only difference is Gamora eventually owned up to what she's done whereas Hela did not.

On top of that, Loki and Odin both took 3 movies to grow, so who's to say Hela would not have come round given time. As far as we know she was left alone to stew for centuries if not millenia, in most probably a really unpleasant place. Of course she is angry and bitter, she has done exactly what was asked of her and was then condemned for that. Taking the fall for Odins actions Edit: as I reread this I would like to say that Odin barely grew actually, he was about to die so all he did was say he loved both his sons, and because he died we don't get to see him actually change and put in the work. So for all we know it was essentially an empty promise, or he meant it but would have relapsed as soon as it got difficult

Honestly, one of the biggest missed opportunities in _Thor: Ragnarok_ when it comes to MCU Hela is that they never really tried to set up or elaborate at all what her relationship with the deceased Frigga was. Like, was Frigga her mother or was Hela born out of wedlock by another woman, which was why Hela tried so hard to be the weapon that Odin wanted when Asgard was in it's imperial era and why Odin wanted to erase all records of Hela after she was sealed away, out of shame for multiple different reasons? If Hela was actually the daughter and firstborn child of Odin and Frigga, then _Thor: Ragnarok_ 's biggest crime is never exploring how Hela's relationship with Frigga. How would Hela react to finding out that her mother Frigga has died a few years before she was released from her prison? Would that influence her mad ascendancy and conquest of Asgard? We'll never know because the film was so ambiguous on that front that we're not even sure if Frigga was Hela's mother or not. All we know is that Hela is Odin's daughter. It's a major missed opportunity to be honest.

I was so glad that they let him do more acting in Thor 3 because aside from his occasional great Welsh-yelling, I feel like he didn't get to do much. Seeing Anthony Hopkins play Loki was amazing.

@@theflickchick9850 great welsh-yelling omg😂

​@@theflickchick9850 I was crying when he said "Oh sh#$" 🤣

@@dancechica That man has some SERIOUS acting chops, to be able to go from the All-Father with his great, grandiose, Shakespearean speeches, to the playful god of mischief in disguise, and make you 100% believe he is both!

I like to think that look is genuine but the camera angles seem to make that impossible... unless they reshot the growl.

_"You also see that he wasn't lying when he says at the end that he wasn't after the throne; during the deleted scene where he's officially made king, he's sincerely confused by what's going on"_ Yes. This!! An entirely idiotic decision from the directors, they cut the MOST IMPORTANT LOKI SCENE from the movie just so they could have a cheap reveal scene of Loki on the throne (gasp! what a surprise! *eyeroll*) later. They also change the sequence of certain other scenes with Thor's friends and Loki.

Yeah you also see Thor go too far with his teasing by making fun of Loki’s preference of magic over physical fighting like Thor, and the servant laughs as well and Thor doesn’t correct this at all-Loki stops laughing he doesn’t find this funny and turns the wine into snakes, he’s clearly used to this, on top of the lies he’s been told a majority of his life being made fun of for using magic instead of fighting is definitely another reason why he did what he did

Yes and I love that a lot of Loki or Loki&Thor stans act as if those deleted scenes were actually in the movie

Yes yes yes. And that decision was in the end a mistake, given that loki is so widely loved that now he is in his redemption arc. Shit could've been so rich if they just let people care and understand Loki

Watching the deleted scenes was eye opening for me. I think Loki saw Thor as the golden child and never thought he would get more than a slap on the hand. After watching those scenes it really changes how you see them. The real villain in Thor for me is Odin.

And then we got a show staring our empathetic trickster and got a good, albeit rushed redemption arc. Not to mention the fact that version of Loki is not the one with all that progression, but a different version who gets into the Time Space Loop Police on accident. AND the TSLP (or whatever their name was) already had the memories of the Loki we got to know through all the movies, play the whole thing for version 1 Loki and that's how the redemption arc starts. The show is great, and I love the interactions between Loki and the rest of the TSLP, I love the growth and change he goes through to become a better person while acknowledging his flaws. The romance with him is a bit strange though and just a "Wait how can this work?" thing. (Look it up, you will cringe)

@@stargirl2477 Time Varient Authority, the TVA.

@@gurglequeen433 Thank you. I knew Time had something to do with it, but the rest was escaping me

@@stargirl2477 I loved the romance because it was just so perfect for a character that will never not be a narcissist.

@@colt1903 Understandable. I just thought the whole redemption arc (At least he recognizes his faults and actively tries to become better) would mean he could take those lessons he learned during his time at the Time Organization and within, to meet someone else outside of the gender bent version of him to develop a relationship with.

The heck you mean it was instinct? Does Anthony Hopkins growl in other roles? In real life? (No hate, lol)

like an acting instinct, they were saying it was basically unscripted @@Confuzzled-Crow77

​@@Confuzzled-Crow77During Thor, Anthony Hopkins’ Odin expresses his disappointment with his eldest son’s actions. Thor is disrespectful, but Loki attempts to calm his father down. Odin lets out a growl that makes Loki back off. The moment is totally improvised, and Hiddleston was genuinely taken aback by Hopkins’ unscripted reaction.

Tom/Loki's reaction was literally me when I watched this movie. I was like OOOoooooooO. Okayyy.... i actually jumped.

I love her line in Infinity War when Thor sees her and he is emotionally just a wreck. She sees him, knows he is from another time & still reassures him he is worthy

Bold of you to assume she doesn't just have all 3 of them, just. All the time.

@@forsooth She lends one of them to Loki sometimes but then he also tends to forget that he has it when he is in possession of it xD

​@@TKTS1409 *deletes my comment* you right

They're basically immortal so what's a dagger going to do

@@Skrill99 well they can die from a stab wound, but they can be healed pretty quickly before that happens.

@@TacComControl We've seen Thor withstand the power of a dwarf star in the Cosmic Forge as he held the damn forge together with his bare hands, so what is a dagger going to do. We've seen the Hulk smash both Loki and Thor, and while it was clearly excruciatingly painful for them, they were up and walking it off again shortly afterwards.

I mean I wouldn't mind if I had wolverine power then someone stabbed me...I would payback him by playing zombie...

Yeah it felt like it was played as "that's how they show their brotherly love"

That's why I like Loki so much. He has a relatability to him, we have all felt like we didn't belong and felt like an outcast, like there's something wrong and have been told that by a lot of people (or shown through their actions). We all know what it's like being lied to and how much it hurts from someone we have known our whole lives. I could go on, but I think you get the picture. I don't agree with how he resorted to killing and all that, but at the bottom line, he's trying to do what he thinks is right. I like villains who are empathetic in some way, just not the whole killing and murder spree.

I am sorry for your loss. Losing your mom is always tough.

You put so much into words that I can't.

Honestly, it's for a lot of similar reasons like these that I also really like the character Severus Snape from the _Harry Potter_ books. He's not nice but being good is not the same as being nice. Snape is like Loki but with none of the privileges. As insecure as Loki grew up to be, he still grew up as Asgardian royalty, with a family that while may have its issues, still strongly cared for and loved Loki throughout his life. Loki had one of the best safety nets and support networks that a person could ever have as an Asgardian Prince. Snape meanwhile grew up dirt-poor in an industrial town in the northern Midlands of England in the 1960s with an abusive Muggle father and a neglectful witch mother, who wasn't so much loving as less abusive by comparison. He was so poor that 9 year old Snape would've thought that the Weasleys were wealthy. And child Snape would've switched places with Harry in a heartbeat because even the Dursleys' mistreatment was still better than how Snape's abuse by his parents and teachers were, by pretty much every single metric. Snape is an example of what happens when abuse, neglect, child poverty, disenfranchisement, bullying, and trauma go untreated for decades can result in. Even then, Snape was characterized as heroic for always doing what was right over what was easy. Plus, it's not hard to feel bad for a canonical male sexual assault survivor like Snape.

@@ajiththomas2465 Exactly, you read my mind. I too like Snape as a character...I find him interesting because of his past and how it could have been changed, though it depends on the version. (This is part of the reason I dislike James, he just came off as an arrogant, pick fights for no reason, stalker for 6 books! You expect me to believe he changed and grew to deserve Lilly? I'm sorry, but no. He still picks fights, just behind her back!)

perfect image of the phrase: "You all assume, I'm safe here in my room, Unless I try to start again "

Kills me... Absolutely kills me.

Ugh I know. The guilt of that nearly ate him alive. One of the only things he feels guilty about. Seeing him rewatch that in the TVA is heartbreaking.

For me the lines that best sell the brotherly banter between them is when they come to earth looking for Odin and Loki says “I can’t see into the future, I’m not a witch” and Thor replies “really? Well why do you dress like one?!” 😂😂😂 this is such a classic example of completely childish banter between adult siblings that I 100% have with my own brothers and I wouldn’t have it any other way 😂❤

Agreed! Cate Blanchett is such a brilliant actress! She makes every movie she's in better.

I enjoyed her character so much. Especially since the actress was definitely having fun playing the role

I was really hoping that they would have Hela stand in for Lady Death in the MCU so Thanos would be killing half the universe to court her.

No he wasn’t. What? He barely did anything. Odin is the one who got through to Thor about his arrogance.

So freaking true. I have always said my sister and I are best friends and worst enemies. I would die for her even on the days I feel like killing her

Good point about Odin being the Father with gravitas and a throne to maintain and Thor following. I am sure Odin did similar rash things in his past. Marvel should have done an Odin prequel to reveal some of his past action and difficult upbringing, the origins of some higher-level future villains, and just tie up a lot of the fabric of the overall lore.

But Loki is also like Odin because they are both tricksters figures, shapeshifters, and practice magic. Which was transgressive and weird in Norse culture -- magic was definitely women's business, and both of them "lowered" themselves to study it from women.

@@kirstencorby8465 Except the MCU version of Odin, Thor, Loki, Hela etc, who in turn are based on the old Marvel comics, have very little or nothing whatsoever in common with their namesakes from the Norse Prose Edda and Poetry Edda. In the Edda, Loki is the god of the hearthfire, who was called Loki Gift-Giver, Loki Scar-Lips, Loki Horse-Mother (as he gave birth to Sleipnir, Odin's eight-legged horse), a trickster who slept with other gods' wives, who invented and gave humans the hearthfire and the fishing net, definitely not evil prior to the Aesir slaughtered his two sons he had with a wife from Asgard to tie him to a boulder with their entrails and torture him... for crashing Heimdall's party (after he had been the only one not invited) and bragging about sleeping with their wives and insulting and trashtalking all of them [see: the poem known as the _Lokasenna]_ by revealing uncomfortable _truths_ about the other gods to their faces. The later Christian monks who first wrote the mythological folktales down twisted him into that good-vs-evil narrative, made him a Lucifer character instead of Prometheus, and turned Loki's daughter Hela from a Hades-like figure into the Devil. And I'm 100% sure Christian monks invented the character of Baldur the God of Light wholesale, to kill him off as an explanation for Ragnarök, the mythologized event of Christianity arriving in Scandinavia and Daneland and destroying the Old Faith. Baldur had never been mentioned prior to that story; a god of light and the sun feels highly out of place in a culture that didnt revere the sun because the sun was weak for most of the year. Not to mention a story about a mother who tried to make her sun unkillable by any weapon... in a culture that revered bravery and where men wanted to die gloriously in battle so they'd go to Valhalla instead of to the Realm of Hel (a cold drab boring Underworld) where women, children and cowards ended up. And last but not least, if the story of Loki's binding followed Baldur's death instead of following the _Lokasenna,_ it's illogical: Baldur's death started Ragnarök. But Loki's chains were ensorceled so they'd be unbreakable and would only break once Ragnarök started... so in effect in that version Loki would never be chained because Ragnarök had already started and Loki was prophetized to play a role in it.

Yeah and Loki was def made fun of for choosing magic over fighting, cause in a deleted scene Thor makes fun of Loki for using magic and the servant with them laughs as well

Acting as if Odin isn’t a trickster god and God of magic and commonly called ‘the womanly man’…he ain’t no masculine ideal, dude.

Sounds alot like my mom *cough cough *

Odin is one of the single biggest idiots in the entire MCU when it comes to simple cause and effect. Thor's pride aside, he was pretty much hitting the nail on the head when he called Odin a fool.

Another way Odin's a fool; Hela, Thor and Loki would have been so OP if they were raised thogether in a healthy environment. Hela comands the dead and has a huge fuck off wolf for a steed, Thor can summon/control lightning on his own but likes to have a weapon to both channel/aim it (and also to have a weapon), and Loki is a powerful magic user who cares deeply even if he pretends not to and that's on top of having a habit of selfpreservational scheming. We were cheated of this necromancer/druid, barbarian/paladin, rogue/warlock dream team.

@@erin8050 I would pay to watch that in film!!!

We need a what if with the sibs raised together. Odin you fool you robbed us.

Yep

Maybe Hela never got out of her emo goth phase? Or maybe Thor's the black sheep in the family?

fun fact: in the mithology hela is loki´s daughter

@@danielguinea2971 In an early draft of the characters, she was going to be his mother, to explain her exile (treason via frost giant affair) and Odin saving Loki (his grandson).

@@thestoryfactory8429 ooooo we should have gotten that!!

@@thestoryfactory8429 perhaps instead of Hela being Loki's mother by way of a dalliance with Laufey... Loki could be the bastard result of Odin's dalliance with Laufey's Queen... which brings the genetics full circle - they would thus both have the same father... and it would turn out that Loki really was Odin's son, all along... It would also explain why Odin chose to keep the child he "found"...

Plus Loki's slight nostalgic smile at the end of this segment.

What’s even better about that is the fact that it’s improvised. Chris Hemsworth needs to be in more comedies.

Loki's smile gets me too

@@xfranc1n3x wait, it was improvised?!

@@oceanmythjormundgandr3891 yep. Apparently Hemsworth had a few stories like that that he made up and cycled through them on different takes. Obviously when they edited the film, the snake story is the one they liked best.

Me too. Especially when I have a somewhat similar story as Loki.

That hit hard!

The only genuine love relationship he ever had. Of course it destroyed him.

I’m surprised they didn’t talk about how Odin didn’t let Loki go to Frigga’s funeral which is heartbreaking, he didn’t even tell him himself that Frigga died he made a servant tell him

I accidentally paralyzed my Mum and she spent 8 months relearning to walk and has alot of problems/pain because of me. I did it when I was 6, for a long time I felt extremely guilty about it so I relate to loki about accidentally hurting his Mum. Though my Mum is quite abusive and me doing that stopped her physical abuse so I consider it self defense or karma now

Stay tuned!

Especially with the new movie (which I personally think didn’t develop Thors character as well as it tried to do)

Especially his revenge quest in Infinity war.

I’m guessing it’s another choice made simply because in society and in the movies, women are defined by the men in their lives. The female relationships are not considered important plot points. And even if it was considered, it would be the first thing to be axes for length etc. because female relationships are considered less important than male ones.

@09mrmarshall Technically true, as is Fenrir and the Midgard Serpent

I think she was born before Odin was married to Frigga, she's not Frigga's daughter. I know in Norse Mythology Loki is Hela's (Hel's) father and instead of Loki and Thor being brothers, Odin and Loki are blood brothers. But Loki was still Thor's main adversary.

Working on it! That video will be out next month!

@@CinemaTherapyShow Yay!

@@CinemaTherapyShow YAY!!! You just made my day!! I can't wait to see Allen react to the scenes when Peter loses his aunt. I was a mess in the theater. (I have no shame about crying over a book or a movie, even in public. I also love books and movies more if they pull that out of me. The heavier the tears the better the book or movie is in my opinion.)

Literally sweeping the problem under a rug but the rug is a different world.

Kind of makes you wonder what Bor, his father, was like.

@@HBHaga probably much, much worse

I agree. I also think that any one of them could have improved their lives and everyone else’s if they had gotten therapy.

All successful kings and rulers who had to conquer to secure their position and power were not mentally totally on the normal spectrum.

But he would never acknowledge that he needs it. He would give lip service, but it would never work on him. He’s too arrogant and proud.

Yes, the most Asgardian Asgardian in Asgard...exactly! And, the self hatred Loki has....just breaks my heart. I'm so sorry you have felt like the "monster parents tell their children about at night". I wrote about that in my comment above about Loki. What a horrible emotion to feel. I'm sure you must know that you aren't the monster though. People who make you feel that way and the media are the monsters. It's disgusting how things are twisted due to prejudice, hate and fear.

@@kimberlybone1 Thank you so much! I agree, racism makes people behave monstrously. I just try my best to live with integrity and prove with goodness that I am not a monster. I wish Loki would have felt supported by his family enough to have chosen the high road.

@@wijcik That's all we can do isn't it? Live with integrity and try to be our best selves. The haters can get over themselves. Awww, yeah I also wish that for Loki!

I know I'm so torn, because I hate the movie, but it also has some of my favourite mcu quotes and scenes ever 😭

Story-wise, it is an essential movie. I know everyone and their dog rags on that movie, but I loved it when it came out and still enjoy it. There are so many great character moments in that film, admittedly most of them involving Loki. The scene between him and Frigga in the prison (heartbreaking), him being indirectly responsible for her death, him being consumed by grief and rage over it (revealing his true self in the prison and then his line "trust my rage." Oof.) Edit: oh and her funeral! Still one of the most visually stunning scenes in the mcu imo.

All the luck for your own Asgard :’)

Don't think about the fact that your sister could be Hela in this comparison (per the MCU), AND in the actual mythology, Hela is Loki's daughter.

I love this line especially because I have a bit of the same mindset you just explained with one of my siblings. We haven’t always gotten along but I deeply unconditionally love him, I’ve done my best to express that and it’s been times where it feels like it falls on deaf ears but I’ve never not express to him that no matter what I love him, we are family and though I’m not keen to all the choices he’s made I still love him and want the best for him.

you are right, it would be good to see a whole video just about him. but to fully understand Thor you need the see the 4th movie too. maybe after a Disney+ release...

That last video sounds so interesting to me. But then include the entire Phase 3 wrap-up. Endgame: Thor grieving his entire country, Peter grieving Gamora. Phase 4: Peter and Happy grieving Tony, Hawkeye grieving Natasha. Somehow seeing these characters all deal with it differently has taught me much more than I'd ever expected. We can skip Black Widow though lmao, we've discussed vision and her kids enough. 😅

Thor and Depression... yeah I think that would be great

@@merry_christmas (pssst, I think you mean Scarlet Witch in that last line....)

I second this motion.

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oh i thought that it was frigga casting a spell that made loki see her without her actually being there because she wasn't allowed to go in

I thought the same

azula energy

It is implied later on she was actually doing the spell.

Same as maladaptive daydreaming. I do that alot. I always imagine scenario where in telling my parents or family again what is wrong with and how they major reason. But I know in real life they'll just never understand so I don't tell them in real life. Only in my head again & again.

I wouldn't really count Larson in acting royalty. She has some work forward, and need to deflate her ego a little. It's already one thing to be confidently arrogant and still manage to have human skills, but another to be arrogant in overconfidence and little to no human skills left.

I think he got overlooked because he doesn't steal the scenes from those great actors, but he never ruins those scenes either. He's never a weak link, and when up against the talent there that says a lot in itself! Then when you actually really look at his performances, there's naunce and more subtlety than you might expect. He really impressed me as Kirk's dad in the JJ Abrahams Star Trek, only on scene for a few minutes but really delivers a great character that sells the idea of who Kirk has (/is initially deliberately failing) to live up to. I think it's easy to dismiss the 'hot' actors and action stars, but muscles don't necessarily mean a person will/won't be just as talented outside of the gym too.

@@ptolemeeselenion1542 Your actual personality has no correlation to how well you act.

"Chris Hemsworth might just be the best actor in the MCU" *chuckles lightly* "Brie Larson is acting royalty on the same level as Sam Jackson and Anthony Hopkins" *WHEEZES*

@@ArukiTsukaru Tell me you’ve never seen Brie Larson in any other movie without telling me that.

Same here

yes but Loki had the best relationship with Frigga out of all the Asgardians. Loki loved Frigga like a mom and Frigga despite him not being her biological son loved Loki like one . we can see there relationship better though the context of when he was in the cell when Loki tell Frigga she isn't his mother he does it so hesitantly like he doesn't really want to admit it and the hurt on both of their faces after works speaks volumes and also after he finds out she is dead despite putting up the illusion that makes him seem so calm when that's dissolved away you can see the shear amount of grief and pain Loki feels for not only his mothers death but knowing the last words he told her before she died was she wasn't his mother when to him that couldn't be further from the truth he trashed that room out of pain that he felt for her death and knowing he could do nothing to help and maybe and this is my opinion but maybe he felt guilty knowing if he wouldn't have been the way he was he could have saved her . thats why he was so mad at Thor cause in the end he is not really mad at him but at himself

@@kesshodawn8504 that and he felt responsible for her death as he lead the dude Odin's bedroom*? by telling them where it was... which she was at the time with Jane.

Honestly that’s a valid interpretation cuz if Loki before his hero arc wanted to talk to anyone when he gets lonely in his cell I’m positive it would be Frigga

@@pinkjessjmb also Frigga trained Loki in his magic so out of everyone she knew how he was and what his true character was like and never feared him. she was one badass mama

YES

Frathor and Fratki?

@@IceMetalPunk Best comment ever!

I mean they kinda did with the Frost Giant Loki showing up

I loved that episode for establishing that if they weren't raised as brothers, they'd still be just as close, if not a bit more generally innocent/naive but it feels like their relationship is just so much healthier overall.

If I'm not mistaken, one if the cartoon "What If's" had that as a dynamic. They were party animal friends.

I second that! It shows gaslighting at Mother Gothel levels and Frollo could easily be any corrupt authority figure.

@@Sam-lb8xs as well as many predators who pose themselves as victims of women (see his song "Hellfire")

@@michirukaioh4014 I definitely thought of that...! It's never his own fault, always the fault of somebody else~!

That’s a good one! Seconded.

Definitely

They have such amazing chemistry, too. It really sells the familial relationship. Casting well and truly earned their keep on that one!

Part of the horror film package of “buckle up for some reeaaaaalll heavy stuff”

Yes please! I know its horror, but please please please do one on Hereditary. It would be awesome if you can also do one on Midsommar :p

GOD that scene of the nightmare/dream/whatever of her COVERED in lighter fluid THAT'S good visual storytelling and it provides LITERALLY all the context clues you need for the mother and son lack of relationship they have. Why he keeps his distance, why he completely just broke down and started apologizing over and over....damn.

@@TheRibottoStudios I can talk about that movie all day, it's so good. That dinner table scene alone was oscar worthy. The relationship between Annie (the mother) and her mother was not shown, but we know how it was because of the elite storytelling, that bad relationship bled to Annie's family, it's sad and true.

I’d love that, too, but they won’t cover it cause it’s not a mainstream film like Dune or Fight Club

Yeah, we never really see how Hela and Odin were communicating during the whole 'heel face turn' to peaceful tyrant. Did he steamroller her to try and make her change to fit his new vision? Did he hear her out and offer her options that she rejected? We know it ended with her deciding to wipe out him and those loyal to him in a very bloody coup. And then when no one remembers her, she pretty much goes 'eh, my friends will be my undead minions and this guy I am bullying!'. I get the feeling she didn't have a lot of friends or other family or close relationships. It seems her whole identity revolve around being the best at battle and heir to the throne.

I never heard any of this but I always felt that Waititi does not like Hiddleston. It was simply a feeling, kind of weird as I had no confirmation. Unprofessional if you ask me.

@@angelika9396 the brothers have some moments in Ragnarok. But Thor was supposed to have become wiser in the first 2 movies. Then comes the third "funny" one and in that movie he doesn't react to the warriors 3 being murdered. He breaks lots of objects in Dr Strange's place, when he can control the hammer not to do that. He's ok with Loki being made to fall for 30 minutes, when he saw his brother commit suicide in the first movie by falling (Thanos resurrected him). He blames Loki for Hela, when it was Odin's lies that caused the situation. He immediately becomes friends with Valkyrie, a slave owner at that point (in a movie that was supposed to show the wrongs of colonialism). He tells her not to trust Loki, who is put in chains for doing the same as Val, minus the slavery. In a deleted scene Loki is put in a public restroom and made invisible and is peed over by many people, but Thor just laughs about it because in classic Waititi style "haha pee jokes". He tell Loki, that Loki will never change, implying he's the better one, then tricks him by putting a device that tortures him on the neck, leaving him lying on the floor and again it's haha a joke, etc

@@Elven. the falling for 20 minutes, portable toilet and obedience disc on Loki scenes are ones I explicitly hate. There are some nice Loki Thor scenes, I love every scene Cate Blanchett is in, but this is the Loki movie I like the least.

Kinda glad I'm not the only one. Ragnarok was enjoyable and I get it reinvigorated the series but I didn't like how they turned everything into a joke.

Alan is acting like Steve Rogers he is worthy but feels not ready to claim it😏 Jonathan is like Frieda saying … dude you are worthy😁

Stay tuned!

@@CinemaTherapyShow ooooh I shall (by the way you guys are so cool, I adore your videos!)

He never blamed others for his parenting "shortcomings". Stop projecting your issues on a deep character that may have fucked up a lot, but still loved his kids, trying to keep Thor from being a piece of shit like he used to be.

Absolutely, he did not do a good job ad a father. I'm sorry for what you have gone through but pleased that you have found a new and supportive family :)

@@lorenzobaxter He kinda does though. Thor & Loki are the way they are as the result of their upbringing and Odin’s extremely flawed parenting, but Odin doesn’t take any responsibility for that, and instead blames his kids for acting the way they do while never recognizing that they are that way because of his shortcomings in parenting. Yes he loves them, but that doesn’t automatically make him a good father or good at parenting

@@blue1584 nah the one thing I can't agree with in this video is why would you accept someone who is doing bad things constantly. You can still love them, like Thor does, but accepting doesn't make sense. Loki doesn't deserve that acceptance because he makes no effort to change. Thats on him.

@@lorenzobaxter I really don’t get your logic here... so you seemingly excuse the centuries worth of bad things Odin has done & defend him for being a “deep character” ...but at the same time you resent Loki for the (comparatively few) bad things he did and ignore the depth of Loki’s character? That doesn’t make any sense. Did you even watch these movies..? Odin has done far worse than Loki ever has, and Odin’s poor parenting is what led Loki down the wrong path to begin with.

Yeah, it feels like sometimes parents don't hear what comes out of their own mouths. Or they think that just because you're adults then their job of parenting is done. It's so frustrating and heartbreaking. Internet stranger though I am, you and your brother have my sympathies.

I’m a Loki too. My parents couldn’t even be bothered to have me evaluated. I didn’t get diagnosed as ADHD until I was 44 and autistic until I was 50.

I’m autistic too just my parents didn’t feel embarrassed or try to hide it

For real! I have ADHD,but I know that only now. My mom Out of anger, I tore up the conclusion of the medical commission and generally denied that I had it.

Yep, I also think it is a pretty underated movie but I like it a lot cause you can see more about their family dynamics and It let us see Loki more in depth.

MARVEL " he loooosing whaaat he Don't deserveee What he don't deserve'

You’ll like the Loki show then.

@@madelinegarber7860 yessss i didd!! It gave me serotonin

@@krishanifernando1982 it was very bitter sweet. What a wonderful character arc.

They already talked about Wanda

@@critterwhisperer5821 They did? I don’t think so and if they did they probably talked about Wanda vision

@@sjbenson5618 it's the same extension

There's not much reason to talk about Multiverse of Madness, because it's lazily written character assassination.

@@DanteRU0312 it’s actually the best and it’s based on Wanda's vision and her obsession to get her kids back was heart-wrenching and very powerful

Wow, thank you for your kind words!

Oops, now I'm crying 😭

Just to drop some feedback on the matter of volume, I'm listening through headphones and have no problems at all. Just now I've unplugged them and sound is still good. So... it's not the case for everyone 🤷🏼‍♀️

I’m not having any problems with the audio, I’m listening with headphones tho so might be different?

I hear that too

Listening with old cheap speakers and sounds fine.

I'm listening with headphones on and I agree that there were a few times when they talked while a clip was playing, I didn't catch what they said as it was too low, but I couldn't raise the volume or my ears would simply die from the volume of the movie clip

OMG YES!!!!

That could be awesome! It would have to be remote because, you know, different continent, but could be a lot of fun.

Too bad about the TERFness.

@@natsmith303 If I'm not mistaken, I do believe she backed down from that. I however don't have anything more than a very fuzzy memory to back that up.

@@TheOnlyToblin I know of no apology or general taking-it-back. If such a thing exists, I will retract my statement. But I'm afraid I'll need more than a fuzzy memory.

Knowing your brother is unfit to rule and coming up with an elaborate scheme to have him disinherited is one thing (because yeah Loki was right Thor was unfit to rule) but sending the family's murder machine to take Thor out while he was powerless is another. I'm a Loki fan too but the fact that he wanted to straight up murder Thor is something that gets overlooked.

@@tasha7726 That is true, but in the end Loki didn’t have it in him to actually go through with killing Thor. At the last minute Loki stops the Destroyer from blasting Thor- which would have incinerated him on the spot- and instead the Destroyer slaps him

While I fully agree with you on Loki’s mindset, I don’t think that Taika ruined it, or doesn’t understand, I just think that he pretty much showed the relationship mostly through Thor’s pov and Thor, while being usually a truly nice person will still probably never understand Loki and what exactly he went through, so from Thor’s priviliged point of view it was all fun and games, which makes for funny childhood stories, for Loki it was different, but It’s all in the past and he has to deal with the now and he still has ways to go to better himself Also It wasn’t Taika who made him an actual evil villain, that happened in Avangers and after that, you can’t really go and claim that Loki always had the best intentions…

I'm personally not a fan of Taika Watiti's screenplays. They're overly heavy on buddy-comedy and made me regret seeing Ragnarok in the theater. I could have stayed home, watched an old 90's buddy comedy, and picked up Ragnarok when it went on discount. I watched Love & Thunder on streaming. It was alright, but not in my top 10 MCU films. I just don't care for the Taika Watiti approach of making everything a joke. Laughter as a pressure valve is good and necessary in many films. Playing everything for laughs, whether it needs the tension release or not, just gets annoying to me. Watiti's frat bro Thor doesn't impress me much, tbh.

I honestly don’t remember the series that much. The Loki that I connected with was the movies Loki not the series one.

Agreed! Seeing Loki in a "fish out of water" scenario was really fun imo.

Thank you, that's so kind! 😊

Aaaw! Congrats on finding yourself. *hug*

@@elfteiroh ty :) *hug*

no, it's not loki's imagination, it's just an holographic phone thingy. sure, they both use magic but it's really her talking to him. we see in a deleted scene that frigga was indeed talking to loki from her room.

No that was Frigga using her magic to see Loki. Their mother is a witch lol

@@njmoonfrost6145 that's what i'm saying. meaning that the last words he told his adoptive mother were quite rough and he regrets it now. sad TT__TT