Movies portrayed him as "A strict teacher who happens to be an asshole from time to time" Books portray him as "An asshole who happens to be a strict teacher from time to time."
Book Snape is a "little" bit more then Asshole. He literally bullies his studens all the time to the point im wondering if they think about drowning themselfs in the next potion.
James bullied him, stole his crush, and harry had the spitting image of him.. Well, what a terrible reason to be a bully himself.. (Geez, i'm sorry for my grammar, you guys are relentless)
@@vincentangwyn2144 and what did neville do? And what did hermione do? And rest of the gryffindors? And in fact, snape made lily to leave him himself. She hated james, when she ended their friendsip. James bullied people which attended slytherin, admired voldemort and practiced dark magic on their classmates. But he was a brave, loyal and honest, hated evil, were absolutely dedicated to his friends, and sacrificed himself for others multiple times - even for his enemy! As well he hated snape because lily was his crush too. Would you bully a little kid, and all of his friends in the world, just because his dad wasn't nice to you?
1 if someone matches a patronus charm that means they love the other person. 2 James bullied Snape so much and not to forget Snape's family was so bad and then he gets his girl. C'mon man. It's a wonder he didn't lead the deatheaters after the first wizarding war.
It was played for laughs, but this man was so unbelievably abusive that he was Neville Longbottom’s worst fear as a boggart. That’s after Voldemort, that’s after what Bellatrix did to his parents. If I were a professor and found out, I would take every action possible.
Broh, he knew Bellatrix tortured his parents but he did not see it, he knew about how psychotic Voldy was but he had not witnessed it like Harry so it was understandable that he feared Snape the most who literally bullied him borderlining on abuse coz he is seeing and facing it EVERY SINGLE day!!
Literally every Snape fan I've interacted with, as a fellow Snape fan, like Book Snape more than Film Snape. Alan Rickman is a bonus and did a phenomenal acting performance but the vast majority of Snape fans I know (who tend to be older, female/male/non-binary,, and/or queer) prefer Book Snape because of how much depth is given to his personality and his severely abusive background that shaped him and radicalized him into who he was. Book Snape's home life growing up was so bad that an 8 year old Snape would've switched places with Harry because the mistreatment of the Dursleys was still better than how Snape's own parents and his childhood and adolescence treated Snape, by pretty much evey metric. THINK about that. Also, by Hogwarts's standards, Snaoe was one of the top 5 teachers there and a mildly strict one at that. He certainly doesn't beat or physically endanger his students, unlike Book McGonagall and other Hogwarts teachers. By Asian parents/teachers standards, Book Severus Snape is a freaking softie. I went to boarding school in India. I know wgat the fvck I'm talking about. A reason that a lot of Snape fans like Snape, besides the fact that they've actually read the books and critically thought about it (the same of which can't be said of the vast majority of Snape haters), is that it's not hard to sympathize with 1 of the 2 canonical male victims of sexual assault in the series. The reason why Snape hated James Potter is because James was his bully, tormentor, and sexual assaulter. In the books, James publicly sexually assaulted Snape by stripping off Snape's underwear and exposing his genitalia to a baying crowd, which is SA. Sirius and Remus don't even _try_ to deny it or claim that James didn't go through with it. James Potter was the Wizarding version of Brock Turner, exceot worse in every way. Because unlike James Potter, Brock Turner didn't relentlessly bully his SA victim for years before he SA'd them, he didn't do his SA in public, and he certainly didn't get away with it.
@@ajiththomas2465 The difference being it seems James grew up and stopped being an asshole while Snape used his suffering as an excuse to inflict it on others, including becoming the wizard equivalent of a Nazi. I'd also point out when Lilly did try to help him he just shouted slurs at her. Sympathy only gets you so far and Snape walked up to that line, spat on it and then did a long jump over it. Being a victim doesn't give you a pass to victimise others. Also notice for all his flaws, Harry didn't let his abuse make him into an abuser.
@@shadenox8164 "James grew up and stopped being an asshole" According to who? Sirius and Remus, the man's best friends and fellow bullies? Sirius and Lupin were James’ best friends and accomplices in the bullying, so asking them to be impartial is like asking an accomplice to a crime to be an impartial witness towards the defense. On top of this, Sirius and Lupin have a history of lying to make themselves look better and make Snape look worse. And JK Rowling already confirmed that James bullied Snape for things like being jealous of his friendship with Lily. Given Sirius and Lupin's bias towards James and proven history of lying to make themselves look better at the expense of the victim, their word doesn't carry a lot of credibility. To believe Sirius and Lupin when they say Snape started is like believing someone who A. was an accomplice to the crime, B. was best friends with the main perpetrator, C. has demonstrated a history of lying and changing stories to make themselves look good, D. there is video evidence to back up the victims claims. We're never given any evidence, other than claims from Sirius and Lupin, who were accomplices to the bullying themselves, that Snape was equally bad as them. Or for that matter, that James Potter had allegedly "grown up and stopped being an asshole". The victim is still the victim, no matter how good they are at self-defense. The fact that Snape actually decided to fight back against someone who’s relentlessly bullied him for years and who sexually assaulted in public and got away with it, does not magically take away Snape’s status as a victim of James’ bullying and tormenting. Whatever mellowing that James had must not have been that major, if Sirius, the biggest dickrider for James there is, could only say that James’ head “deflated a bit”. Not a lot but _a bit_ and that’s coming from the dude’s biggest supporter and defender. The idea that James grew up a lot falls apart when Harry applied the slightest bit of scrutiny and questioning to Sirius and Remus’ claims in their Floo chat. Harry’s questions and how Remus and Sirius chose to answer them are very important. That conversation as a whole shows them victim blaming (eg saying Snape “gave as good as he got”, then hastily switching tactics when Harry points out that they attacked Snape unprovoked bc Sirius said he was bored). It shows them making excuses which Harry calls them out on (saying “he was only fifteen”, aka “boys will be boys”, to which Harry angrily responds “I’m fifteen!”). It shows them contradicting themselves when Harry asks them pointed questions *(saying Lily only dated James when he stopped hexing people for the fun of it, but admitting that James continued bullying Snape and hid it from Lily when Harry presses them). That pokes a hole in the claim that James had truly grown up and matured when Lily started dating him. He didn’t truly change, not really, he simply got better at hiding his flaws from Lily rather than actually correcting his flaws.* Harry isn’t mollified by their excuses, and it disturbs me when readers are. Because everything Remus and Sirius say in that chapter reads like a road map of abuse/bullying/sexual violence apologia, and I’ve heard literally every single one of their excuses used to cover for real life offenders. (cont below) Including “he’s a family guy” and “a good girl like her wouldn’t marry him if he did something like that”. I’m tired of that attitude, because it very easily switches around to “you should have known better”. Somehow the responsibility always ends up on the partner’s shoulders, as if the partner is omniscient. Well, Lily isn’t omniscient. She couldn’t be aware of something that, as Remus and Sirius said, James kept hidden from her and the staff, something he could easily do thanks to his Invisibility Cloak and the Marauder’s Map. She. Did. Not. Know. Her decision to date and marry James reflects absolutely nothing about James’ character. Only James’ actions have any reflection on James’ character. And Lily is NOT the freaking barometer of what is good and bad in the world. She’s not a trophy or an object or a Moral MacGuffin like Excalibur or the MCU Mjolnir. Above her womb is not some inscription that states that “Only the worthy may rest their wand inside her sheath”. Just because she dated and married him is not an indicator that James went through some deep moral change. She could just have shit taste in men. The idea of her being too pure for the earth, the Myth of St. Lily Potter as I call it, was debunked in Snape’s Pensieve memories. I mean, this is the same woman who dated and married the guy who had bullied and sexually assaulted her former best friend. She ain’t the barometer of moral purity is all I’m saying. James and his friends were just bullies who bullied Snape because, as James so eloquently put it, “he existed”. That’s it. It was bullying, not a rivalry. It was so obviously bullying that even the co-bullies Sirius and Remus can only give the most flaccid of excuses that Harry instantly tears apart. Just because Snape fought back doesn’t make the bullying invalid. The victim is still the victim, no matter how good they are at self-defense. As for the claims that James “matured” or “grew up” or “got over it”. Yeah, because _he’s the abuser_ . Of course he got over it. He never had to deal with being a poor mixed kid in a House full of purebloods pressuring him to join what they thought at the time was a political movement, abused at home and “relentlessly bullied” (direct from Remus Lupin’s Pottermore page) for seven years, nonstop. (btw Sirius, while talking about Regulus joining the Death Eaters, mentions that none of them actually knew about anything but the political agenda. If the Purebloods didn’t know, how the hell would Snape?) Abusers “get over it.” They pretend it didn’t happen. Deny it happened. That’s what happens. The abused? Yeah. They don’t get over it. They just don’t. Simply “stopping” the abuse does nothing for the actual harm caused to victims from said abuse. The abuse was done. You don’t get a Medal for simply “not doing” the thing that traumatized a person. Like good for you, you “stopped” harassing someone but this does nothing to negate the harassment you already caused. If a man who had physically and mentally abused their spouse and children for years and then suddenly stopped, is that somehow worthy of a medal? In order to receive redemption one must not only stop the hurtful actions, but try to make up for them/apologize to the victim/attempt reparations. This is why I simply don’t understand the argument that James “changed” while Severus didn’t. James “stopped” bullying Severus (he really just did it behind Lily’s back I think but assuming he did stop) he: - Never once apologized to Severus for any of the traumatic shit he put him through which would have been the bare minimum considering everything that happened. -Never made up for the things he did to Severus via any other means. The fact that the rest of the Marauders never do so either or even attempt to tells a lot about how all 4 of them views what happened to Severus (spoiler alert: they think he deserved it…not exactly remorseful) Therefore, simply “stopping” the abuse means absolutely nothing to me in terms of James “changing” or “maturing” and offers no evidence he even attempted it. Merely got better at hiding it. Lastly, victims are NEVER obligated to forgive their abusers. Even if James had done both of the above that would not obligate Severus to forgive him for the abuse he put him through, especially after the minor sexual assault. People acting like Severus is a “bad” victim for harboring resentment for how James treated him, especially when he never once felt remorse for it is so gross to me. James did not ever change his attitude to Severus. He just got better at hiding it. And Severus has every right to resent James for that.
This man bullied a boy so bad that the boy feared him more than the people who tortured his parents into insanity. And insulted a teenage girls looks because she's friends with his dead ex-crushes son.
he was awful to neville and pretty much everyone but insinuating that he was worse to him then those that tortured his parents is just wrong and a surface level reading of the boggart scene. The boggart is a representation of something that the kid fears, In neville's case its an authority figure thats a bully or really strict/overly harsh (like his grand mother) It doesn't mean that Snape (or Neville's grand mother) are worse to neville then bellatrix or the death eaters who tortured his parents
Dont think Neville would be scared of Voldemort or Bellatrix anyway but more so Angry and Vengeful for his parents, he wouldn’t be in Gryffindor otherwise
@@davidornelas5199 absolutely. I hated it. Yeah, he saved Harry and was only pretending to be on the dark side to get information and mislead Voldemort but before all that, he was still an abusive sadist that liked to bully children. Nothing changes that.
Because Harry is very forgiving. He's proved it many times (he forgave Ernie, who accused him of trying to murder Muggleborns, for instance). I know I would've never forgiven Snape, had I been in his shoes.
Actually Voldemort was like "yeah sure buddy, whatever floats your boat" and then Lily argued with him about it for like 5 seconds and he said "the hell with this, Snape will get over it".
I think the reasonthey changed it so much is so that his death would actually have more impact. They wanted people to cry when he died, not go "HIP HOP HOORAY! THE BASTARD IS DEAD!!"
Well yeah, and I'm no Snape defender nor fan but truly his death in the Book is so horrible I wouldn't wish it on anyone character and it kind of hurt in a weird way because it was still someone close to Harry. Even after witnessing that, Harry and Hermione can't say a word to each other. Although I always thought he was still playing for Dumbledore and I might have been biased towards that when I read it originally.
I mean I didnt really like Snape at the point of his death, in the books and I wasn't like "HIP HOP HOORAY! THE BASTARD IS DEAD!!" I was like,"Damn, that was kind of brutal, did voldy really need to kill him like that?"
Exactly! When I started reading the books (after having watched the movies countless times) Snape confused the heck out of me.😂 I was like “Dude! Calm the f*ck down!😳
Yes! Dumbledore is basically like, 'even this is too much audacity for me, and believe me, I have a lot.' I understand why this got cut down in the film, though. It's a different medium and the film would've grinded to a halt.
The reason why I love Snape is because I watched the movies first then read the books afterwards. I pictured the characters as the actors and it’s just impossible to dislike Alan Rickman’s Snape.
Your skits are what inspired me to read the series from start to finish. And when I finally got to this scene in the last book, I out loud said, "Oh shit! He actually called him disgusting to his face!"
So glad you read them! People go on about how awesome the movies are without understanding how deep the books go. Rowling is indeed an incredibly gifted writer. So much was lost in the movies, and with different directors, so much more was lost.
Yup. He gave her several chances to live. That is the reason why Harry was able to receive Lily's protection. She had the option to live, but chose not to in hopes of protecting Harry. "Choose me, not Harry!" Blood sacrifice only works when you willingly give your life to save others. But if you have no choice in the matter, it doesn't work. Likewise, Harry was able to give that same protection to the students of Hogwarts because he willingly went. He could have ran away or stayed with the other students, but instead went willingly. So really, it was Snape that accidently spelled Voldemort's doom. If he didn't make the request to spare Lily, well...Harry would just be dead. Granted, the prophecy wouldn't have been made in the first place either. They only had the prophecy because Snape was outside the door listening. Any other Death Eater, and Lily would not have been given the choice to live. Which means Voldemort would have just killed Harry. And so prophecy would end there and then (or maybe after killing Neville.)
Honestly, if Voldemort had just used that petrifying spell first seen on Neville in the first movie, he would have been able to keep Snape on his side and Harry wouldn’t have gotten the blood protection. All he had to do was immobilize Lily to kill her son, not give her options? It was just caused because Voldemort was to murder-oriented.
@@RobustPhysics Well, he gave her one chance and then was all "Oh well, I tried! Arvada Kadavra! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" 😂 Like, let's face it, if he was really that bothered about keeping her alive for Snape there would be a million and one ways he could have gotten her out of the way long enough to attack the baby without killing her. He was really half-assing that one.
movie snape was just strict. he had high standards, but only really accosted the students when they did something wrong, like fly a car around London. there’s plenty of redeemable moments within the movies of him making concerned faces & even protecting the students. his “evilness” in the later series is revealed to be part of an agreed-upon plan. book snape, however, is an irredeemable prick who bullied young kids and did everything he could to make their lives hell.
I love the book character. I relate to him in many ways. Trauma, rejection and being a social pariah sometimes doesn’t make you better, it just makes you bitter, desperate and resentful. Sometimes we don’t grow beyond that trauma and even for all his hatefulness, he lives the rest of his days trying to atone for the mistakes he did as a teenager and carried on as Dumbledore’s soldier till the end.
This is a really insightful take. Not to excuse all of Snape’s actions, but the character clearly has some trauma that hasn’t been resolved. We can see by the way of his actions and how deeply it messed him up.
The book version is literally a demon. That bastard only cared about Lily and was horrible to every single character in the series, like seriously the way he treats Harry and Neville is disgusting, he's also racist
People gotta stop saying this like it means anything. It was a boggart that takes over a person's current anxieties, not the source of all fear for a person. Characters like Bellatrix and the like were far and away from Neville, while he was exposed to Snape almost daily. Does this excuse Snape? No, he's an asshole that shouldn't have been around kids. But it doesn't make him worse than the literal villains.
@@tusherabtahee9839 you cannot chose your fears. The fact that the first thing that came to Neville's mind was Snape speaks volumes. We are not saying he was worst that she, we are saying he became the thing he most feared, even knowing about Bellatrix, he couldb't help but fear him most.
@triccele people don't fear things proportionally to the amount of harm or potential harm to them. It has more to do with proximity and discomfort than anything else. Again, Snape was an asshole that should not have been teaching children. But implying that Nevilles immediate fear of his bullying is darker than the brutal torture of his parents is plain wrong. Harry's worst fear was dementors, which didn't do nearly as much to him as Voldemort did. Also, if you don't remember, Lupin told them to think of their fear and really focus on it, so they were in some control of what the boggart turned into.
I dumped like half a bottle of hair oil on my head in an attempt to recreate it and the camera barely picked it up 😭😂 at least my hair is well conditioned now 🥲
True... To be honest there are a lot of things you can put the blame on him for in the books, but most of those things were ignored in the movies... Let's turn him into a sad backstory character... Which I believe was only created after Rickman askes for Snapes backstory.
What I think can't be overlooked though is how much Voldemort respected Snape to the degree that he would even consider the idea of sparing a muggleborn's life for his sake, let alone make an active effort to fulfil his end of the bargain.
@@okbooo Dumbledore in 1-6 books- Imma very intelligent man and I love harry alot In 7 book starting- Alright i died and will make harry suffer a little but i still love harry In 7 book middle- Fuck you Harry! Die pig die In 7 book end- Well, i cared about him afterall
@@okbooo no Dumbledore was definitely worse. You just got to like him longer. But going back through the book or the movie Dumbledore is the biggest asshole
That's really an extreme assumption to think that Snape thought Lily would go for him after her family is slaughtered. He was irrational and desperate, begging to at least have the one person he cared about spared, but he had to resort to Dumbledore when he realized Lily would not just allow herself to be spared and Harry be killed. So he had to plead for the whole family to be saved by Dumbledore despite his vitriol for James. He wasn't a great guy. But he did try to do right even if a lot of it ended up being too late, and even if he could never hold in the vile emotions inside him completely. He still hinged everything on his love for Lily, and extended that love as much as he was psychologically able to her son.
Right. The son that he harassed and almost destroyed the future of because he never managed to forgett that he is also James's son. Snape don't deserve forgiveness.
@@richardbaron1098 Not really up to you to decide if he should be forgiven. If you were the one he did it all to, then sure. Totally your prerogative. He sure as hell ain't a saint. All I'm saying is that while he was not a good man and did plenty of horrible things, in the moments that truly mattered he chose to act for love and not hate. His horrible actions don't erase his good ones any more than his good ones erase his bad ones. That's how flawed characters work.
@@emmamorley1836 voldy didn’t want to date lily. Snape wanted to be with lily. Snape was also the one who told the prophecy about lily’s son to voldy. Also Snape said it’s fine that James and Harry die so long as lily survives. Ergo it would be partially Snape’s fault that james and Harry would die. Thus, lily wouldn’t want to date Snape
Movie Snape: grumpy introvert but still definitely a good person. Book Snape: abusive, petulant bully who plays constant favorites and traumatizes his students by actively trying to murder their pets, and only left the magic nazis because his favorite undesirable died.
Movie Snape and book sanpe are different persons movie sanpe although movie Snape still dislike Harry he's not as harsh to him like in the books because in the movies in the Goblet of Fire movie he did Prince Harry and Ron but I'm pretty sure he's trying to to tell me the pay attention to that work movie Snape he positive moments like the time he protected the trio from Remus Lupin as at werewolf because book and Snape are different people because in the movies Snape is in love with Lily but he's not obsessed with her in the movies because in the books Snape was really obsessed with Lily and really possessive of her but in the movie Snape kill Dumbledore despair Lily and her family it's that movie sanpe shows concerns about Lilly's family He does care for Harry but however in the book Snape is an awful person he called Lily a mudblood he's obsessed with her any hate Harry because he look like James that is why I think movie sanpe is better than book sanpe
That "I joined them and then I realised maybe this is wrong" isnt a bad thing. At least he realised. Even though his disagreement was still only half hearted
@@saram9434he legit called her a racial slur, and after that he wondered why she settled for James. James WAS a bully, but changed. he became mature, joined an organisation to fight a mass murderer. Snape joined the mass murderer, and bullied children because he got friendzoned 20 years ago
Yessss, I still remember Sorcerer's Stone where you have Rickman as Snape - tall, built Snape dressed very sleek in all black, gorgeous hair (instead of the stringy, disgusting hair he would have in the books), that aquiline nose, those dark eyes. 10/10 would let movie Snape quaffle my snitch
He almost gave Sirius and Remus (whom he bullied as well) to the Dementors, remember? He treated Remus like some horrible monster because of his lycanthropy, which he didn't choose, while he chose to be a Death Eater of his own free will.
@@PhebusdesTours He (and everybody else) thought they were culprits. Remus bullied him too, remember? And when exactly he treated him as a monster? Because I remember he used to prepare and give him a potion every single month to control the lycanthropy.
@@mtulio6422 Snape had zero choice in giving Lupin that potion. DD made him. 😂 Snape saw Peter and knew Sirus was innocent, yet said/did nothing and was more then ready to allow the dementors to suck his soul out of him. Snape also told the kids in his house that Remus was a werewolf. They told their parents and Lupin lost the only job he ever had and income since James died, and Sirus went to prison. Your effort to defend Snap is interesting, but okay. Being roped into being a spy to escape prison isn’t hero status. He literally cried to DD about risking his life spying on Voldy, but didn’t have that same energy spying on The Order for Voldy? Snape died a hero only in Harry eyes, based on what J.K Rowling said in the end and everyone questioned that decision because it didn’t make sense. Snape was abusive to Harry, while proclaiming to “always” have loved his mother. Yet, nothing made him somewhat stop until he saw Harry’s memories. Yet, Sirus and Remus spent the least amount of time with Harry and Lily knew he was more like his mother than father. Snape spent more time with the girl he was in love with and still joined a racist wizard group hell-bent on taking away muggle-born rights and thought nothing of it. He spent more time with Harry and again only clamined him as Lily’s son after he saw him being abused. Meanwhile, Lily was never abused but deeply love by everyone even her sister until she became a witch. Snape was un-hinged in the books and nothing that man/boy did made sense.
They slightly changed the character for the movie. In the books he's infatuated with Lily, it's creepy and disturbing. In the movies he's in love with Lily, it's selfless and moving. I think this slight change reframe all his actions as sacrificial love compared to the obsessive love of the books. Alan Rickman's charisma also played a big role.
There is literally nothing creepy or disturbing about his feelings for Lily in the books, in fact, it's the movies that add the scene were he's craddling her dead body, which is far more disturbing and was never in the books.
@elisawilde8623 I dont think cradling her dead body is neccesarily creepy. If someone i loved dyed, I might end up holding there body depending on the circumstance.
@@elisawilde8623He was ok with Voldemort killing both James and Harry and had zero concerns about how that would affect Lily. I honestly doubt book Snape actually understood what love was.
Actually jk has said he was indeed capable of love. He did indeed create a patronus and that was because of his love for her. I won’t deny he was obsessive but it was love nonetheless.
His love for lilly in the books and in the movie are the same. Its not creepy at all, lilly is the love of his life. For her he changed everything and made it his life's work to protect her son and fight for the right cause at great peril to his own life. I read the book first and he was my favourite character all the way till the last book because i sensed their was more to him than meets the eye and i was proven right. Fans of snape like him, because he is incredibly complex and nuanced, the best anti-hero i have ever read. No one liked him because he was some sweet little cinnamon roll(lol imagine). Its because he's a gray character and written wonderfully.
True! Also there is the fact that he bullied Harry, Neville and Hermione. To the point where Neville is so afraid of Snape that he does horrible in class (because no-on can tell me that the guy who is an expert in herbology wouldn't be able to use said knowledge in potions, where the half of the stuff that is used is based of plants...) Hm... that and the movies have Rickman... and you just can't hate an actor that good!
I once saw this thing that when Snape told Voldemort to leave Lily alive, Voldemort agreed, promised him even. I think that I’m that moment, he accidentally created an unbreakable bond with Snape. He even told Lily to “move aside”. When he killed Lily, he was stripped of his magic and any of his spells would fire back at him. It just so happens that the next spell he would cast was Avada Kedavra on Harry, which fired back at him and killed him. FYI: I saw this online a few years ago, don’t remember by who though
I actually just noticed this, I've read the books a few times (and hated snape) but recently I was watching the movies for the first time, and i loved snape. Not only is he far less harsh on harry, he's also just insanely cool
im currently reading the books and so far it makes so little sense that Dumbledore allows Snape teach at all. Harry naming his kid after him is a fricking "Black Mirror" ending if you ask me
@@siberiasianRemember, in war the morals can be a little more "loose" and Snape was loyal (and useful) to Dumbledore so yeah Snape was risking his life being a double agent for him after all
I'm not condoning everything Snape did but he tried to protect Harry and even the Weasleys during the time he was with Voldemort after he came back but still... he really treated muggle-born students and Neville really badly. Like he only was a good person in life or death situations.
@@QueenofTaterTots it doesn’t matter he still promised Snape he wouldn’t kill her which means he understand the feelings of those around him at the least, and if Voldemort truly didn’t want to he could have knocked her out the way…also the fact he was basically born evil contradicts the entire story, which is your decisions make you good or bad, so I try not to think of it…
@@Yvanehtnioj2000 he wasn't *born* evil, that's not what being born under the effects of a love potion means, you're born sociopathic from it, yes but not all sociopaths are evil, it was his abuse by muggles, seeing the war and fracturing his soul so much that made him evil, horcrux creation drives the user crazier and crazier, but he was absolutely paranoid and scared of death
The worst part? Voldi said yes. It's the reason he told Lily to step aside insted of just killing her is because Snape Begged for her. And funnily enough the fact that lily had a choice to step away and chose not to is what activated the protection magic.
You mean instead of just being killed and tossed out of the way. (what really fits Voldis stile) was actually given a choice to back down but refused to? Willingly sacrificing herself to protect her child instead of being murdered within a blink of an eye without a Chance to react? Does that mean Snapi boy by asking to spare Lily acutally managed to save Harry instead?
@@Teufer2 Yep Yep and yep. Voldi was a kill first and spare never kind of guy, but giving this one witch the chance to back down and continuing on when she didn't is what screwed him in the end. In fact he made this mistake twice, because when harry gave himself up willingly to voldy near the end of book 7 he activated the same kind of protection magic over the protectors of hogwarts. It's the reason Nevil can walk off having the sorting hat lit on fire while its on his head by old no nose. And yes, Snape is the reason why harry is alive.
I mean, man, I'm a primary book reader, and as much as he's a colossal asshole who I personally would despise, you still gotta respect the man for the choices he was willing to make. He took insane risks for the cause knowing he would eventually die for it, and he did.
Never forget when he tried to murder Neville's pet toad because Neville was bad at Potions. And then punished Hermione for helping him make sure his pet didn't die. Then when Neville says that Snape is his biggest fear, his classmates laugh as if the above scene didn't just happen twenty minutes ago.
@@Pipic9I don't think he could have an antidote for an incorrectly brewed potion. It's likely Trevor would have just straight up died and Snape would have given Neville detention to rub salt in the would
Voldemort actually was going to leave Lily alive as a slight courtesy to Snape, it's why he told her to move aside, but he doesn't have any heart in him so when she didn't comply he obviously killed her. I find that great, by offering her a way out he enabled the protection spell that kept Harry safe from him all those years
The spell is described that if you got killed by the curse in order to protect a loved one, it will save the loved one. if he gave her a second choice doesnt matter. So ore so harry whould have been protected.
@Loony Singer it does matter. James died protecting them and that didn't count. She very clearly sacrificed herself for her son after being given an option to save herself
BEO NO I LOVE BOTH LIKE WHEN THEY GO INTO THE BACKSTORY OF SNAPE (not those parts XD) BUT LIKE THE SWEET ONES WHEN HE WAS WXPLAINING THE PATEONUS AND SFUFF OMG I FELL IN LOVE WITH SNAPE HE IS LITERALLY THE BEST MAN EVER 😭 AND THEY DID SUCH A GOOD JOB WITH HIM IN THE MOVIES OMG IM SO HAPPY WITH IT
I mean, i like snape in the books too. The thing is, i don't like snape because he is a good person or anything like that, i like him because he is a complex character. Snape is not pure evil like Voldemort or completely good like harry. He is a complex man that repeatedly made bad choices when he was young because of his circumstances and while at the end he fought for the good cause because of selfish reasons he still chose to fight for the good cause. He is a grey character. Far more interesting to read and try to analyse than someone who is completely good and at the end of the day i am reading a book, the more complex a character is, the greater the chance i like him.
@@cornelia4838 Harry wasn't purely good he was reckless constantly getting his friends in trouble or almost killed and voldemorte wasn't completely evil either since he was gonna spare lily's life evil people won't spare someone
Let’s not forget the time in goblet of fire where Hermione got hit with the curse and her two front teeth grew even larger and he looked at her and said he can’t even see a difference and she ran out of the classroom crying😭😂 Snape was indeed a true villain
I like how u added the wrinkles for the movie snape while no wrinkles for the book snape, reminding how snape should have been young but yeah alan rickman did nail it ,nobody could reach his level.
The actor said he wanted to make Snape more than just a plain evil bully, that's why he's far more morally grey in they movies. Personally I love that, it makes for a more interesting character to me.
I agree. And it also makes it (slightly) more understandable why Harry grew to respect him so much as to name one of his children after him (which in my opinion is still too far lol). I've always felt that his redemption fit better with movie Snape, whereas book Snape's redemption was basically Rowling trying to justify the actions of a genuinely horrible person because he "loved Lily"
i mean sure but it also paints james in a really bad light. james potter was never a bully, only ever dunked on snape because he harrased lily and called her slurs. so i feel like bc he's more likeable, it makes you want to hate james, even though their rivalry was completely mutual.
Movie fans got a better Snape because... Two words: Alan Rickman. Snape as a character was a horrible person but we loved him because of what Rickman put into him. And then of course they gave him a redemption arc at the end.
Rightly said! We fell in love with the Snape Alan Rickman created, the depth he gave to that character. And that arc is gonna be too damn different from Rowling's Snape, but who cares? Alan Rickman forever!
Err…. No… making him more likeable is not just an actors doing. It was a (wrong) writing and directors choice. Rickman could’ve played a more true characterisation pretty well too, without making him likeable
@@anonymouslyopinionated656 I'm not sure he was likeable. I didn't want o go have a pint with the guy, we was pretty awful. BU the actor did such a good job of playing the character that we loved to hate him. It wasn't until we knew more about his history with Lily at the end that we understood and then learned to like him. But I will die on the hill that the driving force in the Snape we got on film was more Alan Rickman and his acting choices and less so writing and directing cues.
@@anonymouslyopinionated656theres a difference between likeable characters and well played characters. If I was actually a student at Hogwarts (in the movie), I still probably would have hated Snape, because he sucked. But as a viewer, Alan managed to create a lot of depth, emotion and personality in Snape, so much so that it turned an unlikeable character into sort of an antihero. Yes, the directing and writing obviously played a part, but if someone else who put less humanity into Snape was the actor, there would definitely be a totally different view on movie Snape.
Well, all he really said was that he asked Voldie to spare Lily's life. It was Dumbi who began to find out why not everyone and Snape remained silent. I don't blame him for this. Lily is his old friend and love. James is a bully. I don’t know whether he thought or didn’t think about his husband and child. It doesn't make much difference to the survival of the Potter family. It is ridiculous to assume that if Voldie was asked by one of his minions, he would not touch the child. He would rather use Crucio or Avada on them. What puzzled me most about this scene was that Dumbi, when asked by Snape to save Lily or her entire family, responded with something like “what will I get in return.” Not expected. Seriously? He's been warned that his people are being hunted, and he acts like it's too much for him to save them. Moreover, Snape promises him anything for saving the Potters. What does Dumbi do? Takes the invisibility cloak from James for research. You protected them so much.
Dumbledore was a student when Nigellus Black was headmaster, so maybe he learned how to be a bad headmaster from him. But even Black had a school staffed with competent teachers, so what's Dumbledore's excuse?
@@MegaKnight2012 Dumbledore knew Voldemort was going to come back, so he needed someone that could work as a double spy, Snape being the best candidate. Giving Snape a position close to himself meant that Voldemort would see Snape as a useful ally, meaning in turn Snape would be trusted with important information, which was useful for Dumbledore. Now why did he gave him a teaching position specifically, or why didn't he at least tried to step down when Snape was being an asshole to his students, idk. Dumbledore could have given him an administrative position or something instead. Maybe he thought Snape was good on the inside? Tho i think the real answer is "because the plot demanded it, and Rowling, wheter because she couldn't, didn't wanted to, or simply didn't think about it, simply didn't gaves us a believe excuse"
The movies massively toned down just how awfully he treated Harry and his friends. To the point where when Harry adds "Severus" to his kid's name, it's like a slap in the face. Why not Rubeus, Harry? Hagrid was always on your side through thick and thin!
Because Hagrid was still alive. You really think it's a coincidence that all the people Harry named his sons after were dead he obviously did that to honour the people who died, if Snape lived Harry would not have named his son after him. And before you bring up Remus, Harry was obviously leaving that for Teddy to name his son if he wants
@@tanishagupta4631in the 7th book when Harry notices in Luna’s room that she has paintings of all her friends and Harry was one of them his affection for her (as a friend) rose to the surface. He cared for Luna and Neville a lot. I think the name served a dual purpose to honor both Remus and Luna but the evidence of his relationship with Luna is without a doubt there. She’s also the one who creates a distraction after he defeats Voldemort so that he can get away. She was pretty much the only one who truly understood that Harry just wanted to be normal and enjoyed peace and quiet rather than the whole show. She understood him in a way that Ron and Hermione didn’t honestly.
Book Snape: I mean they did try to kill me with a werewolf. Dumbledore: Stop being petty Severus, where's your pride? Snape: I work for you. I don't have any pride.
yeah but i dont think he cared much because he could've used petrificus totalus or something lol, probably didn't expect snape to actually turn on him because of it as he was definitely one of his most loyal servants at the time
@@leaf111 He was the "Dark lord" his ego probably came in between saving lily Also, he had a strong hatred towards muggleborns. Do you really think he would have spared lily just because a mere servant/death eater (No offence..I have huge sympathy towards snape) asked him to?
@@aryamaheshwari3986 hmm. If he used some stunning spell on her, he would be able to kill Harry, actually. Mother's love protection wouldn't work if she still alive, right?
@@leaf111 He also probably thought that if Snape were really loyal to him and believed in the cause, then he'd get over a "mudblood" and find a "proper" girl to "mate" with. I'm bewildered he honored his request at all.
To be fair, the books are framed through Harry's perspective... so it is really Harry thinking that Snape is going to bully Neville rather than the text specifically saying so. Though, since Snape IS actually going to bully Neville, I guess it's a moot point.
I’m sorry but Harry rode a fine line between bullying Neville too. Excluding him, thinking really rude things about him, treating him like he was a burden? He didn’t stop until he learned about Neville’s parents and the prophecy.
@@dareisayit well Harry isn't obliged to like Neville? He may think whatever he wants, and if he doesn't want to be friends with someone, it's actually fine. He doesn't bully Neville and doesn't say any hurtful things to him. Can you personally say that you never, ever thought any bad things about other people? Especially as a kid/teen? If not, so, why judge Harry?
@@dareisayit No, just no. I want you to point me to the books of which this happened so that I can go find out. I have the book right here on my phone. You don’t have to lie. You could have said that Neville was never part of their friend group, so Harry didn’t really pay attention to him, but to claim that he excluded him, had rude thoughts of him, and thought he was a burden is simply bull. Why lie to make someone looked terrible to try and justify another terrible person’s actions?
When I realized that Voldy could have gone after Neville instead to fulfill the prophesy, it became more apparent why Neville was his target. (NOT an excuse!!! ...just an observation)
Remember in the books when Snape gleefully told Neville to feed his potion to Trevor, knowing that Neville wouldn't be able to properly brew it and Snape just wanted to watch this child murder his own pet. And then he got angry because Trevor didn't die.
Remember Snape's TANTRUM when he found out that Sirius escaped getting the dementor kiss (worse than death), and the fact that he already knew that Sirius was innocent at that point?? Then he "accidentally" outed Lupin as a werewolf, making it impossible to have another job after that? Yes, I remember those too. Just a couple of the smaller examples of him being the worst.
Yup. Remus spent a life of misery basically because of him. And he's never become a jaded bully regardless. Snape should have learnt a thing or two from Remus.
Remember how Remus not bothering to take the potion that Snape made for him to keep control of himself caused him to almost murder Harry while he was transformed?
I was telling my friends how much I disliked snape tho he saved Harry and they got shit offended and when I said he bullied children they said that is because he was bullied as a child but these idiots forget that when he was bullied they were ALL children he is a godamm adult bullying literal 12 year olds stop making excuses just because Alan Rickman is an icon and a legend and I absolutely love movie snape
In the films he is just the 'mean teacher', in the books you get serveral scenes of him heavily bullying his students (like with Hermione's teeth) Also: Neville's greatest fear in life is a Snape. He grew up in the wizarding world knowing all kinds of monsters are real and his parents were literally tortured to death and still his greatest fear is his teacher. That would tell me all I need to know about that guy
Strongly disagree with the Neville argument (a quite common one) : he's not AFRAID of the people who tortured his parents, he HATES them (book 5 when he reveals all his potential in the DA when he learns about the Lestrange and associates getting free, it says clearly he's out for blood and vengeance, not getting into DADA because he just wants to defend himself). Snape is a teacher he is afraid of as a 13 y.o boy, but the really scary people he wants to take down. That's what makes Neville such a Gryffondor in my opinion, and it is important !
Tbh, I doubt Rowling had Neville's backstory figured out in book 3. She probably just thought, "Snape would be perfect for the boggary to become. Now, which student is most likely to be afraid of Snape?", and figured Neville would do. Wasn't meant to have any deep insight behind it. Of course, it was probably just the greatest fear in the moment. And only something they could actively think of and worry about. Most of the class would probably be more terrified if they saw Voldemort (or Sirius Black) standing right in front of them, but because they didn't think about it, the boggart had no idea. For Neville, he had just come from a bad class with Snape. So of course that would be all he could think of in the moment. If he just had a class with hippogriffs, it probably would have been that instead. But yeah, Snape's bullying in the books were too far. I like to just headcanon most of those incidents away because they make Snape feel too 2D. Just a trope basically, such as the evil teacher from Matilda. It doesn't really fit the rest of Snape's character when he tries to protect his students or defends Hermione when she is called a mudblood. Maybe if we assume that all of the scenes of him bullying is the worst he has ever done? 4-5 bad incidents across six years isn't good, but much better than insulting/threatening his students regularly. I dunno.
@@AverageWagie Can't believe Hogwarts still sorts students. That was the root of SO many problems, given that one house is "candidates for a supremacist group". Divide them by year instead, or by dorm request (tower, basement, dungeon, etc). Have intramural quidditch teams that students form for themselves. Voldemort's one good idea was "no more sorting".
@@towelgirl21 Rowling is a boomer with no real beliefs and she can't fathom the idea of disrupting the status quo. Her characters are just a reflection of that. The newer generations of wizards would be better off being homeschooled or assimilating into muggle society and learning magic in their free time
I like though that in the book Voldy was like "yeah man you can have her" then got to the house and goes all "Aw c'mon mooooove... Meh whatever sorry Snape. AVA..."
I literally thought shit I am way misremembering this because I thought this too!!! Granted I may still be wrong but at least I know I'm not the only one lol😅
@@miguelenzodia7885 nothing in harry potter is on luck by chance everything has a meaning. Voldemort just kill people because they are in his way, harry said this in book 7 and he gave lily a chance to move but she didn't so he killed her. He never can think that killing is bad and that is his biggest weakness ( Dumbledore also said this)
Love that you included how much Dumbledore initially despised Snape in the books. Like literally the man withdrew none of his contempt in that interaction and then basically went "I own you" after Snape came to him post-Halloween.
Alan Rick man added a lot of moments for Snape. For instance, in the prisoner of Azkabhan, he wakes up without a wand, all angry at Harry for disarming him, but the moment he sees the werewolf, he immediately puts himself before them and shields them all. He isn't intentionally as spiteful as the books.
Yeah snape in the movie was more like a stern teacher that just done with everyone shit while in the books he basicly abuses the students he doesn't like
@@satan3862 in the first 2 movies, he is hilarious because of the melodrama he is compared to everyone else like how he pulls up the duel all like why am I stuck with this fool
My favourite Snape book moment was when Hermione’s teeth grew due to a misdirected hex and he said that he saw no difference, leaving Malfoy unpunished
The book also made me not particularly like Dumbledore either. Snape should never have been a teacher he wasn’t fit for it at all. He completely favored his house and allowed his students to get away with a lot. I mean sure he was powerful but a good teacher no. The only reason he was is so Dumbledore could keep an eye on him which isn’t a great reason to allow him to taunt and ridicule students he doesn’t like.
@@lscales6131 but isn't one of the arguments of the books that Dumbledore has difficulty finding good teachers? The only time Snape seemed like a normal teacher was when death eaters overrode the school.
@@raina2319 no he has a tough time keeping DADA teachers.other than that nothing is ever said in the books about having a tough time finding other teachers. In fact it seems other than that specific class all other teachers were there for a while.
treating an 11 year old like shit well into adulthood, tormenting and bullying neville, "I see no difference" to hermione in front of her classmates and friends, threatening to poison nevilles toad, biased grading and point awarding/removing in order to even the scores from when he was a student just to name a few, hes definitely a piece of work
a piece of *shit Rickman made him likeable, whereas I would run over Book!Snape with a truck, back up over him, and then run him over again for good measure.
