+Joker Scopez See I got the feeling he wasnt the real Joker. As in there was an actual Joker, who probably died or is locked up, and Leto's Joker was just someone playing copy-cat.
+Joker Scopez Leto's Joker is 100% the worst Joker ever put to film. He's not threatening, interesting, or scene stealing in the slightest. Just because you're a Joker "fan" doesn't mean you have to defend every iteration of the character. Bad incarnations plague every comic book character, but it doesn't take away from why they're great in the first place. It just indicates when the creative team behind it just don't have a clue
C'mon DC, How do you fuck up such an inherently cool idea as "superpowered Expendables"? what's worse is you probably killed any chance of getting movies from the other cool, antihero teams in comics. Good bye Secret Six or The Thunderbolts, which are more interesting then the Suicide Squad any day of the week. Fuck...man
If this movie is anything to judge by, I think we need to ask ourselves... Do we WANT this directing/producing/management team making a Secret Six movie?
Thunderbolts in it's original incarnation might still have a chance. In that, the Thunderbolts were villains who masqueraded as heroes in an effort to infiltrate the good guys, discover their secrets, and destroy them... only to realize that they actually kind of liked the hero gig and ended up stopping their own leader from going through with their original plan. That could make for a great superhero film.
Fucking god damn hell. I give up. Trying to type out a reply on a Kindle Fire is a goddamn exercise in frustation. This is my third attempt. The first one I accidentally deleted. The second one, well if you accidentally hit anywhere outside of the comment box or the keyboard, the comment disappears with no way of retrieving it. It is fucking bullshit. So I'll just say I agree with you 100% and leave it at that until I can reply via proper computer. There is quite a bit I wish to elaborate on.
After Man of Steel, I decided not to bother seeing any further DC/WB movies until they rebooted the whole universe and I can maybe hope to see the heroes (especially Superman) I grew up on on actually act like the heroes I grew up on. So far, that's looking like a good call.
I wanted this to work too. That preview with Bohemian Rhaspody made me want to see it right away. Then I hear those were the only funny parts in the movie and the producers scrambled to rework things after the BvS fiasco. Bob, you need to do a "Trust the Bob" episode about what happened to what should have been a fun movie.
i thought the bohemian rhapsody trailer was a deliberate attempt to use an amazing song to sell their movie with whimsy the movie wouldn't have. seems that way
I say go see the movie. I love Bob but he's totally wrong about this movie. He's almost making stuff up. Weird to sound him being in "group think" like every other reviewer
+kyubii972 Agreed, when I saw it my thoughts were “You are trying to get me hyped because of the song, not the movie itself eh?”, didn’t worked as I didn’t like that trailer because of that very reason.
the radio edit of a kid rock cover of an Iggy Pop Song is seriously one of the funniest damn thing I've ever heard and you're usually really funny anyway but I left for 10 minutes
" the feature-length adaptation of a blonde mullet sporting 10 year old shouting Worldstar from the Chuck E cheese ball pit on Snapchat" that's two times in the same RU-vid video that I almost peed myself laughing
+DrSmokeTrees Not actually a bad idea. It would explain why Superman is a dark, brooding, arsehole. You could have a more Reeve-like Superman and *his* Justice League come through a portal and be like, "WTF is this shithole?" And then *their* Flash is like, "This is called the 'Snyder Universe' - a dark mirror reflection of our own." Then have them save the alternate Earth by kicking the living shit out of the negligent, city-destroying "Depression League", (that has become increasingly corrupt), and Jar Jar Aquaman, maybe with the help of Ben Affleck, (who turns out to be a relatively good guy who has spent a lifetime fighting even more heinous shitbags, and bad superbeings in a shitty universe, and is therefore war-weary and feels forced to be more violent than usual). Then they take him, the entire DC cinematic universe, and the audience along with them back to their reality, (ie. The 'real' world). Where there is no other Bruce Wayne, (maybe he got killed in the alleyway with his parents or some shit), and Superman has to train Batman to chill the fuck out a bit and follow the rules, (like Jason Statham's character in Jet Li's _'The One'_). That would be an interesting dynamic. Alfred could have inherited the Wayne Fortune and be very happy to see "Master Bruce" again, even if he is an alternate version, and have zero qualms about financing his Dark Knight activities and putting him in charge of the Wayne Empire, since he's more qualified to make business decisions and shit anyway, (and Alfred knows it, not having fared as well with the Wayne fortune, but still doing okay). Hell you could probably get a whole movie just out of Batman's (cough) homecoming. Where he reinvigorates the Wayne business empire with some good business decisions, relocates the Bat Cave, and reconstructs it and all his gear from scratch. Make Alfred less of a butler, more a partner, but still a secondary role, (not anything stupid like he's the new Robin or some dumb shit, or a superhero himself - just a more savvy partner who is still smart enough to recognise Batman's genius and defer to his leadership - not to mention he knows it's technically Bruce's money anyway). More like a good version of Obadiah Stane in the first IRON MAN film when he's wearing a suit that isn't made of metal. Could also serve as a good Dr. Watson character, since he'd need the whole Batman schtik explained to him from scratch from the usually untalkative Batman, ("Excuse me Master Bruce, but I don't understand. Why precisely do you feel the need to dress like a bat in order to fight crime?") Also Batman would be totally "off the grid" since he's dead in that universe, so you could have some fun with that concept. He could be even more mysterious a character to the bad guys and goverment if you didn't want to go the normal Bruce Wayne secret identity route. Just a guy in a bat suit that comes outta nowhere with no history, (mirroring Batman's own inability to discern Joker's origin, identity, and past in _'The Killing Joke'_). Pretty hard to make a plausible case for a secret identity in the 21st Century with facial recognition software and shit, but this would be one way to recapture that older concept of a mysterious guy in tights nobody can seem to dox - would make him even more mysterious these days since you should be able to. So I can imagine Waller exasperatedly chewing out her underlings is like, "You have the full resources of the US government at your disposal! How can you not figure it out? Who the hell is this fucking guy?!" Basically to set it up the _'Flashpoint'_ movie you'd just have the existing super characters start going the way of The Crime Syndicate in the _'Crisis on Two Earths'_ animated movie. Not because they are necessarily born bad or bad early on, but are corrupted by the specific circumstances in that universe, (like Johnathan Kent being swept up in a tornado - possibly because he's just a moron in this reality), and become increasingly corrupted by their power. Batman is offered a position among them and resists, but the implication is that he is fast losing hope, sinking deeper into depression and madness, and will probably eventually just give up and accept the world the way it is and join, basically becoming like Owlman, (in personality - not costume). When the other heroes show up it gives him the sliver of hope he needs in the fight against his own dark thoughts and the proto-Syndicate. That way you get to end that movie on a positive note with his rescue from Zack Snyder ... I mean ... his fate of turning into a supervillain ... but the "new" Batman remains a deeply scarred individual, (more so than even the original Bruce Wayne concept), who is trying to fight his way back to normality. That means you can make the other superheroes a little more "realistic" and flawed if you like, but they wont come close to how dark Batman is, (and best of all he can still use excessive force and occassionally maim people). So he'll - relatively speaking - still be the dark, brooding character in a 21st Century version of the Justice League. Like how Tony Stark has a touch of PTSD from the events in Avengers, but on steroids. Would be a great opportunity for a cast change too, while still being able to use some of the same actors for "doppelgangers" due to contract commitments, etc.
Yeah, because if Fat Bob said it, thats the way it is. If Wonder Woman comes out and is good, along with Justice League, Fat Bob will be posting a video how they turned it around, won him over, etc. Him saying it is unsalvageable is exactly this loser mentality where you write everything off, because thats the easier thing to do than trying to figure out how to do something more constructive. I hate this nerd culture.
PiCheZvara, I understand your point. I want to have good DC Movies as well as everyone, but the amount of crap they've put into this movies is just depressing. Even if we will one day have something good, all the bad will remain until a proper reboot.
I love how people view opinions as being solid concrete and predictable things. "Bob liked Ghostbusters but said this was bad? What a fucking moron!" Just because he saw quality in one film in no way impacts his view of another film. Hell, he's a critic, that's literally his job. If you didn't like Ghostbusters then good for you. Doesn't make Bob wrong for liking it, nor does it make him wrong for disliking Suicide Squad. You gotta wonder, do people come wanting Bobs opinion, or do they come to hear him repeat their own opinions.
I trust movie bob on any film, other than superhero and Sci-fi films. We just must have different perspectives. I love all the DC movies he trashes, but am really not a big fan of marvel films. Other than Gaurdians, I havent really been a big fan of any, just not my thing. Same with the star trek movies, I LOVED the first 2, which he loathed and was kinda meh on the third, which he loved.
Haha right! The instant he said it "sucked" and was a "garbage fire," I was sold. I wasn't even going to see it because it didn't seem like my thing; but after what he said about BvS, I take everything he says as the opposite being true.
He's talking more from a movie fan point of view though, and in that regard this and BvS are a mess. If there's enough fun in there for you to enjoy yourself that's fine, but as movies they're just clumsy and kind of stupid. I didn't love or hate either, what worked worked really well but what didn't work was so bad it keeps the film from elevating above average for me.
Juan Pablo Benabe Vidal And part of bob's opinion is that the people who didn't like ghostbusters are sexist as opposed to the actual reasons that its bad
So basically DC is using extended directors cut movies to find an excuse that "it'll be better when u watch it then hehe" and basically extract more money out of your pockets then you've already given them...
This movie pisses me off so much. It's the worst movie I have ever seen in my life. And what pisses me off the most, was that they made the worst Joker ever created and that's the worst thing DC could've done.
The annoying thing is when Marvel Studios pulls this off when they make a Thunderbolts or Sinister Six movie and people accuse the critics of being biased against DC again. Because the whole "Anti-DC Conspiracy" bullshit isn't going anywhere any time soon.
Sorry man, it's Warner Brothers and there handling of DC live action movies it's crap and it's not going to stop trust me, Wonder Woman might now have even more hands in the kitchen now that suicide squad fails and the cycle of crap movies goes on
WB/DC were ruining things for themselves before Zack Snyder came along. If you want a source moment for when it all went wrong there are two options. The most obvious is The New 52 but personally I'd say The Dark Knight started it all, its success made WB want to make all of DC darker.
Zack Snyder is much better at adapting a specific work than a character or world in general. I enjoyed watching Watchmen: Ultimate Cut (the only version of that film I have seen), so if Zack ever directs another superhero movie it would have to be based on EXACTLY ONE BOOK for it to work.
DCEU fanboys "I don't like Marvel because all of them are the same because even though their plots are different, they all have jokes that's why it's the same. The DC universe is different and fresh". DCEU - Man of Steel and BvS had the exact same plot of Superman and his impact of society and the bogged down political dynamics and repeats exact same character arcs. Suicide Squad basically takes what works in Guardians of the Galaxy and shoe horn it in. Shoe horned music and the outcasts plot. SS also had quips as does the Justice League judging by the trailer, so what do the DCEU fanboys think about this? Most ensemble movies have good jokes (Star Wars, Inception, Oceans Eleven). The Batman/Superman comics had good humour. So what really is the problem DCEU fans? Does supporting the underdog give you superiority. This kind of quality for these movies is not what comic book fans deserve. DC movies do not have a plan but attempt to put rail tracks when trying to drive a train. That explains why the editing for these movies are piss poor. I'm done with these poor representations of my favourite DC superheroes. I'll stick to the few DC TV shows that are good. In fact these DC TV shows have the same plot from one another and as these Marvel movies. To add, the X-Men are exactly the same to one another. Mutants are bad, no they're good humans are bad etc etc. They've been rebooting and doing the exact same going for 16 years. Why are not people not complaining that the X-Men movies are nothing more than mediocre (except for Deadpool and First Class) and formulaic. Apocalypse has the exact same plotline to AoU, but worse and it has quips. People only like them because they're the underdogs that's why.
You know, at this point it really makes you wonder if Disney has a bunch of sleeper agents in Warner Bros that are going around sabotaging all the DC movies.
OMG! Thank you Movie Bob! I'm so happy that someone other than me finally said what I have been saying about Leto's Joker 5 fucking minutes after I walked out of the theater opening night. This movie could have been made without him in and it still would have been the same movie. This was a clear sign to me just how fucked up the "DC Universe" has become. They took one of the most iconic comic book villains and reduced him to a fucking footnote after cramming all the hype down our throats for a year about how "creepy" and "scary" Leto's adaptation of the Joker was. I didn't find him creepy or scary or edgy or whatever other adjective DC suits and comic book fan boys want to use to describe him. I just found him dumb, and unnecessary to anything else that was going on in the movie. The ONLY thing he was good for was to pop in every few scenes to remind us "hey! I'm in this movie too" or " I'm Harley Quinn's main squeeze!" Other than that he was pointless.
At this point can DC just stick to TV? They're great at that! Flash is awesome, Legends is fun even Arrow has it's good moments still. With Supergirl and Superman coming to the CW we just need wonder woman and batman shows and boom, live action TV Justice League. Easier to digest, cheaper to make and allowing for more creativity in the process.
"The feature length adaptation of a blonde mullet sporting 10 year old shouting 'World Star!' from the Chuck E Cheese ballpit on snapchat" Damn if that's not the best line you've ever written. Incredible.
Okay... It's nice that Bob has remembered how to swear - but can we get a little actual review with the vitriol? Please? Okay you didn't like it. But without a reason Bob's just another loud mouth on the internet. And instant downvote for talking about spoilers without warning.
He stated his reasons. The movie seems bland, the characters have no good backstory, the joker falls flat and there is no chemistry. Also the plot is bland and the twists are completely expectable. All of this he stated. The movie just has nothing more to be said about it without spoiling it.
I'd hoped that being picked up by Geek would mean that he'd go back to the real reviews he did with Escape to the Movies. It seems that they prefer his post-Escapist "All style, no substance" approach.
Did you watch the movie?? NO CHEMISTRY? Dafug?! Please go watch an actual review even from the people who didn't like the movie(schoesknows) they all said the very good things in this movie for them were the chemistry between the squad and that they were in the wrong movie with the wrong plot.
I guess my problem so far is how prominently Joker was featured in the trailer only for him to not really be in the movie. When trailers lie about something like that it really sucks. They were playing it up like Joker was to be who the SS were sent in to take down.
the problem is that i see DC fans now like Ghostbusters feminist fans that yell "your are a marvel salty fanboy" to anyone who see over the cheap plots and very poor character development DC movies had
That came out really incomprehensible because you tried to work _Ghostbusters_ and feminists into it. A few commas in the right places might have helped.
Dávid Pálinkás yeah because BVS and man of steel are sooo good developing characters, come on .. lex luthor in that movie is a fuckin tex avery cartoon and the awful bathtub scene..yugh.. Cheap plots??!!! hahaha come on Dc is the king of cheap plots, i mean.. martha..really?! im not a marvel fan, but i can see when Dc fans are full of shit
***** exactly they have bad and mediocre movies yes, but they have a very good character development and good structure to the marvel universe in the movies, and sadly, DC doesn't have that.
How in the hell does DC fuck up what they already have? They've already done Suicide Squad! The animated movie Assault on Arkham WAS Suicide Squad! They just had to make it like be action! How do you fuck up what you've already done!?
To be far it's the first time in a year and a half that he's had a steady, paying gig as a movie reviewer and B- movies don't usually inspire 5-8 minutes worth of content unless there's an actual paycheck attached to it. Since parting ways with The Escapist, he's done reviews seemingly because either a particular movie caused a reaction, whether positive or negative, and he decided to make a video of it, or because it was somehow connected to geek culture and his audience was going to be expecting it of him. If you look up his work at Escape to the Movies, there were plenty of movies where the review boiled down to "Eh, it's all right, I guess." I'm sure we'll get to some of those in the weeks to come as we get into the early fall doldrums before the Oscar Bait movies start releasing.
I liked Leto's portrayal of Joker for the scenes he was in--the laugh was great, and I did feel he was pretty intimidating. The problem is that most of his scenes were cut out. Would love to see him as an important player in The Batman, as he and Affleck's Bat are, in my opinion, the only good things the DCEU has going for it.
there honestly really was a shoe horned forced pseudo camaraderie message that just didnt work. deadshots bizarre nurturing behavior toward harley, boomerang telling harley every word out of her mouth is disgusting when she barely says anything beyond a few quips?? diablo suddenly repping last minute for the squad in the boss battle saying '' i lost one family im not gunna lose another !! '' when they barely spent any time collectively working together let alone SPEAKING to each other???
When I first saw images of Leto's Joker I thought "well, this film is going to try too hard." Then when they said it wasn't going to be a solo movie but a team that will all be introduced at one time I figured it was going to be too much back story and not enough room for plot. Then I heard the executives were going to make it "more marketable" I decided to save my money. So I'm not surprised by the review. The Avengers, that DC keeps trying to make was 6 moves before they shot the whole team together. Learn something DC, spread it out instead of trying to pack it all in.
Basically every DC movie was ruined for me by a bad script, plain and simple. It seems like the kind of thing that mostly bothers professional critics, but if a film has big plot holes or a fundamentally flawed story structure, I can't just ignore that crap and no amount sweet action or fun characters can salvage it because I'm already not invested in who these people are and what they're doing. This movie, BvS, Man of Steel, all suffer from this and as a result are simply irredeemable for me. It reminds me of the Star Wars prequels. I mean Jesus H criminey did anyone actually read the script before they started shooting? Writing characters with coherent motivations that are central to a story that actually makes sense isn't that fucking difficult. Sorry Warner Brothers you done fucked up, now I gotta go watch Die Hard again to cleanse my palate of this garbage.
It was a jarring twist that the reason they were going into the random city was to actually retrieve Waller whom I thought was back in a safe spot. You think they're going to stop Enchantress and then it turns out they're really doing an extraction job. Ok, a little weird but there could be a reason since the people need saving just as well but then turns out she was _inside_ the incident the whole time. And where were the other heroes who should be around by this point that put the fear of turning evil into Waller to begin with? They have more potential to stop the evil plot than these losers.
I love Bob, but reviews of entertainment are not objective, nor should they be. There are objective observations to be made, but the overall evaluation is inherently subjective.
Power to you man. What bob says is probably right the movie is bad but if you are not the kind of a person to pay attention to that incoherence in plot then thats cool.
Okay, team of minor villains forced to do good work. We have one monumental task for you to undertake. What is it? Rescue a damsel in distress? No. Worse than that. Some supervillain trying to take over the world? No. Think bigger. Some galactic force of nature is going to destroy everything including all of space and time? No, no it's on a whole other scale. Well come on, tell us what huge threat we have to face down and solve that's worse than that? DC Cinematic Universe. Okay, we'll stay in prison thanks.
Actually, Suicide Squad had some good scenes and few interesting characters, but when combined was terrible. You can tell it was re-edited and rewritten like 5 times, and that there was a huge committee in charge rather than a clear vision and idea.
You sum up how terrible it was pretty well. It's just awful. The dialogue and scenes are repetitive, with dumb things happening multiple times as if somehow the audience has forgotten just 10 minutes ago. It's so poorly edited and paced it feels like someone wrote and shot a far longer film but then gutted it to pieces to save time but it no longer flows or makes sense. Problem is given how repetitive it is at points it also feels like the movie could be cut down even further and still have the same amount of content - all of which is still terrible, but over quickly. "It's actively frustrating" is a good summation of just how bafflingly stupid it is. I feel though that Batman V Superman was actually more enjoyable (still terrible) because even though the action was contrived and relied on a convoluted nonsense plot it was at least enjoyable action. Suicide Squad's final battle was simply boring. There was no moment of excitement and it dragged itself on from one copy paste action scene to copy paste action scene.
*stepson *idk what two women in a harem refer to eachother as, or what the male equivalent to aforementioned term is, but it's probably not spelled like that edit: I'm fucking stupid. Obvious spelling error fixed. X_X
In all honesty, it seems more like Guardians of the Galaxy than "evil avengers": 1) a group of morally ambiguous characters 2)Generic Villian with (an) ancient power that who is trying to destroy (a) world 3) Family/relationship issues Their basically the same... Except for the fact that the morally ambiguous characters in GOTG were made emotional interesting by the subtle hints about who they were through their dialogue, which was mostly sprinkled throughout the movie, were as Suicide Squad started the movie by blantanly telling the audience all the characters backstories/history, which as stated created a lot of redundancy throughout the movie.
I miss Escape to the Movies and old Movie Bob. Where if Bob didn't like a movie he still held back on the vitriol and negativity. Then Bob would reflect more upon the problems of the movie in terms of narrative, actors and production. Yeah, Bob's ragey review of Pixels went viral, but it was just sad and now it feels like he's pandering to people who want to see him tear down more movies. I miss old Bob.
I noticed a tend in Hollywood, where execs cut away too much out of story dependent movies, causing them to seem flimsy and convoluted when they are finally release.
Considering what everyone said about BvS, and how much I admire BvS for everything that absolutely everyone but me seemed to miss, I'ma go see this anyway.
Get over yourself. If you liked BvS, that's fine, but don't act like other people only disliked it because they missed all the amazing things that only a genius like you could notice.
Thing is, when I ask people about certain scenes, they only talk about one line or three seconds of footage rather than the whole scene. No one tries to read between the lines. No one questions the possible symbolic significance of the Bat-brand, or how said brand significance ties into Batman's decision to spare both Superman AND Luthor. No one stops to realize that, at his core, Batman killing people is 100% in-line with his core character. No one stops to realize the rather brilliant set-up for Luthor's end-game, or the possible significance of Luthor having a file on 5 different meta-humans (plus Batman) and yet only targetting Batman and Superman. Just saying, when I ask people about this movie, their answer implies that they haven't tried looking deeper than surface-level. No, the movie isn't perfect, but the kind of subtlety it brings to its big character moments is kind of amazing.
Ikrani Have you considered the possibility that a few hints at some deep ideas might not automatically salvage a bad movie? People can notice the things that you're talking about and still think the movie is shit. That said, I don't agree with much of what you just said. Batman's core character is all about justice and being above evil, so to say that killing is in line with his core character is a bit of a stretch. And Luthor's end-game was far from brilliant. But again, even if I did agree with you on those things, the movie would still be bad. And just to reiterate, it's fine that you liked the movie. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and as long as you can defend it, I don't have a problem with it. Just don't assume that anyone who didn't like the movie was too dumb to understand all the complexity.
This movie is what happens when you want to make Guardians of the galaxy and deadpool but you let the focus group of 15 year old suburban kids who pay 40 a gram to make decisions.
+Philip kelton (pkelton) The critical reception thus far has been very poor. I mean, I'm not happy about it, but that doesn't mean you have to lie about it.
It's like a movie review where the reviewer ends on a supremely forced and shitty pun because the reviewer is so out of touch, he thinks post-irony makes it clever.
Bob, I disagree. It was broken and you could tell that they were meshing together 2 cuts of the movie, Ayer's miserable BvS style cut, and the "fun" cut that the studio put together after the guy's who made the trailer hit it out of the park. It's a mess, but it's still fun and I haven't enjoyed a DC movie this much since The Dark Knight. That says a lot about how far DC's fallen. But it was still fun and I'm definitely buying it when the dvd comes out.
I enjoyed the move but I can't get genuinely upset at Bob when he clearly gives his reasons for not liking it. I normally agree with Bob's reviews but this time I completely disagree. I was entertained throughout the whole movie.
please tell me whats so "fun" about it? if i'm going to spend 20 dollars on something i expect it at least to be good, if all i'm going to get is just "fun" than i might as well stay at home and watch ant-man or guardians of the galaxy and i would have even more fun for free.
The name is owned by the Escapist, so he has a differently named show that still gets posted on his channel about biweekly that is basically the same thing. Long form discussions of various issues in media, occasionally rerouting into comic book trivia for fifteen minutes. It's still fun.
I have to give credit to Bob because I sure as shit couldn't fit everything wrong with this movie into an under 10 minute video. The DC cinematic universe thus far has been poison pure and simple, indicative of the absolute worst of every aspect of geek culture and comic books in particular. It's like they put the creation of these movies into the hands of the most vitriolic pre-teen they could find on Call of Duty mic chat but then had the most spineless, soulless marketing executive available stand over his shoulder taking the scissors to everything reflexively and lashing him with a whip if he didn't tick every box on the "sell this crap to idiot kids" checklist.
DeAndre West He calls this movie "a soulless corporate product" yet considers one of the biggest abortions and one of the most heartless remakes conceived to be good entertainment
Ghostbusters was never trying not to be a corporate endeavour. Suicide Squad painted itself as a genuine movie. Why hate on a movie for being a corporate cash grab when that's the intention?
Sure Ghostbusters was an obvious corporate cash grab but the people involved tried to wrap it in being a call to action for the feminist cause just to avoid criticism. I think that's more insidious than a super hero movie that tried to do a thing it's competition did and failing.
"a gritty procedural action movie about bunch of C and D-list comic book bad guys being forced to operate as a government black-ops team" kind of happened in Wolverine: Origins for about 11 minutes.
not quite on topic, but i recently rewatched the dark knight, which is like supposed to be one of the best comic book movies ever made right? i thought it sucked tbh, am i the only one here?
The script's a mess and the Joker might as well have been Black Mask, but this movie does deserve recognition for getting most of the characters in the suicide squad right.
Not a Marvel movie so it sucks. Marvel take this shit seriously, put a ton of effort and money into making sure their MCU movies don't suck. DC don't have a fucking clue what they are doing. DC should just stop trying to create a shared universe ala MCU and go back to letting others have a go at individual character movies. Nolan's Batman was great and ... er ... well, Nolan's Batman was great.
What's more incredible is that Marvel uses lots of cost-cutting when producing their films. It's why they're casting and direction is filled with less known, not box office proven talent. No quibbles on the effort of Marvel though. Their people bring their A-game to every scene.
*Spoilers in this comment by the way... SPOILERS!* The story makes no sense. Incubus shows up, so Waller asks for the squad to be assembled, only to get Flagg, Enchantress and the army dudes to go destroy it. So the squad was never needed, until Enchantress betrays Waller (which she didn't know was going to happen) and THEN we get a mission for the squad to carry out. Also, how comes the heart stopped hurting Enchantress? She states she needs it back to assume full power but Incubus appears to have healed her just fine. Speaking of Enchantress, what exactly does that machine do? Like what is she doing and why is she doing it exactly? Her motivations are more non-existent than Lex 'Jesse' Luthor. And lastly, how does anyone know a bomb would destroy the weapon/kill Incubus anyway? Both Incubus/Enchantress are stated to utilise powers from another universe, so why would they assume man-made weapons harm interdimensional beings? Plus the set design doesn't help the movie either, with my actual reaction to events throughout the second and third acts being: "Oh we're in a city, okay now we're in a building, now we're outside the building, now we're on a street. Now we're on another street. Now we're back in a building... Outside that building." The film is a whole load of half-asses story points, murky motivations and uninspiring aesthetic designs.
DeAndre West keep telling yourself that while the movie nose dived after opening weekend and not made it's money back for precious Sony. 57% audience score on RT. Certified rotten with the public. Try harder next time
+somericanguy really ? The angry fanboys gave it bad reviews ? How reliable ! Also SS nosedived far worse from Friday to Saturday, even worse than BVS as hard as that is to believe
He's... been getting on camera for years, number one. Number two, don't be a jerk. Number three, the reason he gets on camera for his movie reviews is because RU-vid's copyright protection is so magnificently fucking awful that even corporate approved press kit video gets flagged by the filter, so he can't even show stuff like the commercials or trailer footage, which is already available at large.
Why not be a jerk when all this guy can do to get subs is being a jerk? He has absolutly no decerning skill as a critic. Literally everything he does is sprout profanities. Only morons would take this guy seriously. Look for some real reviews.
I prefer watching Bob over the clip-art reaction shots they used on Escapist. And as for the trailers and other marketing materiials - we've already seen them anyway.
... Well, I wrote a big thing, but apparently Goog'z deemed fit to eat it, so, short version cause I'm not typing that again. DJVC - I disagree, he's displayed in plenty of his reviews that he has a grasp on film making, and profanity isn't a mark of lesser quality, because people swear in casual conversation and it's kiiinda silly to act otherwise eye emm aych oh. Popo - He still sorta does that with In Bob We Trust on his channel, except instead of stock don draper type heads, it's his own head. And I mean, yeah, we've already seen the trailers, but that's... generally what you use for visual fodder for reviews like this.
What are you doing here then? I always find fascinating how some people claim to hate everything he does but still show up week after week to see his videos and comment on how much he sucks.
I respect you, or I used to, but I cannot understand your opinion at all. And Joker is in the movie for the Harely Quinn love story and to make her grand moment more important. I'm actually wondering if we saw the same movie. I enjoyed this movie more than any movie this year. And my friends have, too.
Looking at your DP, I can assume you are slightly biased. And you lose respect for a reviewer for, you know, reviewing? His opinion is not too far from the opinion of most. Maybe you need to have a higher standard of respect. I donno.
Actually, the reason I like Bob is because we differ on a lot of things. I actually find it interesting how 2 people of a similar age can see a movie totally differnetly. Not just plot, but how it was directed. He didn't say Spider-Man in Cival War was not really needed for the plot, and he was just there as, hey he is in the Marvel movie Universe now, which was what the Joker was, although he was slightly more important as it affected Harely Quinn's story arc. And I changed my pic before I saw SS and won't be changing it anytime soon.
+David Riley Spiderman added to the movie's central theme of power and responsibility. Should they surrender that responsibility and let a government decide for them or should the power itself be responsibility? Tony bringing in Spiderman also showed how he was compromising and was a microcosm of the conflict in how even people with good intentions having authority over good people can result in disaster and taking away their choice on what side to take in conflict.
Zaph, Spiderman was also brought in because, as Tony said, Tony was impressed with the strength of the webbing and Spiderman's strength. He brought in Spiderman in an attempt to restrain cap and bring him in peacefully yet in a way Cap wouldn't see coming. It actually made perfect sense in the flow of the story.
The movie made 135 million opening weekend, Leto isn't getting recast, and why doesn't everyone calm down until Affleck makes his Batman stand alone film that should have already come out before BvS.
When I don't get the hate I just look at the reviews, see what the specific (often recurring) problems are, look back on the movie to see what they are referring to, and try to figure out why it didn't bother me but bothered everyone else. Do you see pacing problems, logical flaws, and poor payoff in the movie, or at least spots where these could be felt?
Basically, try to understand it. It doesn't have to change your opinion of the movie, but if many people are hating it, don't dismiss them and genuinely try to understand. Mockery of others opinions never goes anywhere.
It's not a good movie, but in my opinion it was at one point. Unlike Bob, I think this was salvageable, even great, but it's clear as day that something went really wrong in the editing-room when the higher-ups at WB freaked out after BvS got such mixed reactions. On record, I found BvS to be enjoyable, but with tons of problems in both story and editing.
I think I just lost all respect. I used to credit you with being the one honest RU-vid reviewer. You stood there with a straight face and said that shitty Ghostbusters movie "wasn't that bad", but you trash Suicide Squad?? I don't understand that. I saw Ghostbusters(partly based on your review) and it was horrible. I saw Suicide Squad on Thursday and tho it has problems, I found it to be a fun movie. And I hated BvS. This movie is much better and a step in the right direction for DC. Im looking forward to WW and JL, but I can already forsee you shitty on those movie too. I really can't understand how you can't talk positively about Ghostbusters and trash this movie. Smfh...
+Arlo Mates (Lord Epos) did you read my comment?? I didn't say that he said that this was worse than BvS and I said that he said that Ghostbusters wasn't that bad.
Yes, Police? I'd like to report a god damn massacre. The last time someone got KO'd this badly, some blonde mullet-sporting 10-year-old was shouting "Worldstar!" from the Chuck-E-Cheez ball-pit on Snapchat.
There were people who were looking forward to this and thought it would be good? I gave up on it after the first trailer and assumed everyone else had, too.
On one hand, I'm disappointed as I was really hoping Suicide Squad would at least turn out to be fun to watch. On the other hand, MovieBob's ranting reviews of bad films are always damn entertaining.
'Oh noes! This person on the internet has an opinion about a thing that is different from my opinion on that thing! This obviously means that he's an objectively bad person, because I was never taught to process that not everyone reacts the same way to a subjective art form!'
It's an alright flick, but it seems like many core things were changed about the characters. Harley isn't necessarily a sexpot, the Joker usually NEVER shows any kindness to Harley for long unless it's as a way to use her (by the way I thought he was kind of boring), Deadshot is supposed to be way more cold and unfeeling than that (Smith plays him wayyyy too relatable and likeable) and Digger Harkness sure as hell isn't supposed to be Kano from the Mortal Kombat movie. Everybody else is either a Chris Kyle wannabe or a superpowered cardboard cutout. Waller was mostly good, and she was actually threatening, but she wasn't seething with the same anger way she's usually portrayed with in the comics. Other than that, I kind of agree with everything else that Bob has said, but I at least appreciate that DC is trying to do some world-building at last. My main concern is that they make every movie feel so self-enclosed and end-of-the-world-ish to me that connecting them together always feels like a stretch.
Yeah. Sad but true. :P There's good and there's bad world building. A good example is a subtle reference that doesn't turn any heads. A bad example is harping on incessantly about something.
Is it possible to return to your old style of reviewing movies (i mean adding movie clips and trailer footage)? I know that the reason you stopped doing this was because of the YT's content ID system but maybe geekcom has better ways of handling those copyright claims?
Now that I think of it, cut Harley Quinn out of this movie (also eliminating the Joker in the process) and this would have been a hell of a lot more streamlined and possibly even downright workable. In character, she's an absolutely terrible choice for a special ops/expendable/black ops sort of person. She's completely mentally unstable, devoid of any real superpower, and her preferred weapons of choice are a baseball bat and a revolver... what does she really bring to the table that Mr. Army Guy (whose name I forgot) didn't have? Hell, trim the movie down to Deadshot. Give me a Deadshot movie, keep the universe-building scene with Batman in it, and then tell me the story of the time Deadshot was imprisoned but took a job where the payment was his freedom.
''Suicide Squad sucks that needs to be said right up front on top of everything else because it's one of those peculiar movies where what's gone wrong with it is actually kind of Goddamn fascinating and parts of it are so completely wrongheaded that seeing them play out is unintentionally entertaining compelling in it's own right ... '' ''Suicide Squad is a fucking garbage fire'' All of this can be interchanged with Ghostbusters no problem, except for the ''entertaining compelling'' part yet this guy sort of liked that one.
Bob, you haven't steered me wrong yet, but I have to see this "radio edit of a Kid Rock cover of an Iggy Pop track" for myself. Yours was the first review of _Batman v. Superman_ I watched, and you weren't wrong -- at least, not about the theatrical cut. I say the Ultimate Edition cut of BvS deserves its own MovieBob Review! At worst, you'll hate it less, and at best, you might agree that it's strangely beautiful.
maybe they should reboot their whole cinematic universe?. we didn't get to see the "normal first three or four movies" before the "everything goes to hell" movies, it feels like they started with the seventh or eight movies.
They put the J on the Joker's face, making all the people who know the comics think that the movie is going to drop a bomb on everyone that he'll be revealed as Jason Todd. They don't. He's just the Joker. Knew they'd fuck it up.
