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Moving away from Big Landscapes 

Thomas Heaton
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In this video I focus more on intimate landscape photography as I move away from the big landscapes I had been photographing for the past couple of days. I am with James Bell and we explore a small section of woodland and an overgrown tarn in Grizedale Forest in the Lake District.
It's really good to stretch your creative photography muscles by focusing more on details and textures and this is exactly what we do in today's video. I also give a great demonstration of how to use a polariser.
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@antonoat
@antonoat 4 года назад
So glad you did this video, perhaps people can realise one doesn't need to travel the breadth of the planet to create amazing photographs or to even copy photographic scenes which have already been photographed tens of thousands of times!
@colliescameraaction8944
@colliescameraaction8944 4 года назад
Exactly what i was thinking. Lots of time spent driving and hiking to a specific location with a preconceived photo in mind, and being very conditions-dependent. Much of it time wasted. Plan for this weekend has changed now :-)
@molopez619
@molopez619 4 года назад
This was a much needed video.
@TheMoodyPhotographer
@TheMoodyPhotographer 4 года назад
@@colliescameraaction8944 that sounds the same to me, I really want to go out and search for small things and play with my nifty fifty 👍
@roediej
@roediej 4 года назад
So true
@PointBlankZA
@PointBlankZA 4 года назад
This is so true. Having made it my mission to photograph more locally, I have stumbled upon so hidden gems that I had no idea even existed so close to home because I have been so focused on the popular big vista types, meanwhile the more intimate selections were right here all along ;)
@fafnorcal
@fafnorcal 4 года назад
Indeed, intimate landscapes are the perfect antidote to grand landscapes. Shoot landscape long-enough and you come to one or more of these realizations: 1) you are simply re-shooting that which has been shot innumerable times before, 2) you wish you shoot more than two hours per day (the golden hours), 3) you desire to capture not only the colors of the landscape but also the evocative textures and the details. Keep it up!
@dimitristsagdis7340
@dimitristsagdis7340 4 года назад
I think the pine needles in your 3 leaf composition is a welcome addition. They add a bit of visual interest and signify the context of the ‘pond’; eg in a pine forest. Nice work for a day out.
@molopez619
@molopez619 4 года назад
Dimitris Tsagdis great breakdown of the image bro!
@dimitristsagdis7340
@dimitristsagdis7340 4 года назад
@@molopez619 Tnx
@johnmansfield4468
@johnmansfield4468 4 года назад
I agree and like the darker water as well
@moritzgyssler
@moritzgyssler 4 года назад
@@johnmansfield4468 Me too
@AlergicToSnow
@AlergicToSnow 4 года назад
John Mansfield ditto
@GeoffBeattie
@GeoffBeattie 4 года назад
When you said "I like the idea" of taking a photo of the scene, I see so many situations that I think will work as a photo, but it's often a challenge translate that scene to a good image. Love the trees & lillys.
@zyiola
@zyiola 4 года назад
Each photo at the end both have their own things that make them amazing. I love James' and being able to see thru the water and grass in it. Yours I like because of the color contrast, the bright green on the black background.
@infocalypse3754
@infocalypse3754 4 года назад
As someone with a chronic lack of convenient visas lying around, this look at 'small' photography is much appreciated!
@PhilT993
@PhilT993 4 года назад
Welcome back to the "good old days" :-). I miss these types of outings that you used to do more often. I watch all of your videos and they are all fantastic, but i find that I can relate to, and get more out of these ventures compared to the breathtaking vistas from mountain tops around the world. I learn more when you can pick a great image from 3 lilies floating in a pond or snow covered branches by the side of the trail (campervan epic fail) or frosty leaves at your feet by the side of a car park :-) Cheers, Phil
@nickbristol3457
@nickbristol3457 4 года назад
This was so nice to see! I enjoyed the calm feel this had and that is exactly why I love photography like this. You both came away with nice images and it was interesting seeing the difference in them. Nice job Thomas.
@starsearchreject
@starsearchreject 4 года назад
Oh! Hello, Thomas. Thank you from saving me from Twitter and the news. I'm feeling so much better now. 😁 I love these more intimate images (yours are lovely by-the-way). I find myself doing this quite often, as a lot of the rural Florida landscape doesn't offer grand views - it's very much about the details. Great video - looking forward to the next!
@paulus0109
@paulus0109 4 года назад
YES... so recognizable! That's what it's all about! Such a good vlog Thomas. Thnks spaircase!
@ScottWalton
@ScottWalton 4 года назад
Thanks for making a video like this Tom. By far my favorite style of photography. I think it’s nice to have an experience in the landscape that lasts a bit longer and one which you can savor, rather than chasing the more fleeting, ‘epic’ moments. Both have their place of course but I much prefer this kind and it’s great to see you encouraging us to pursue it.
@TheMoodyPhotographer
@TheMoodyPhotographer 4 года назад
I'm really so glad to see this video, I have a lot of these places near my house, rivers, small lakes, a lot of trees and a lot of chaos, and it's really so hard to take a photo there with an ultra wide angle or something like that, you encourage me to go there again and try to search for small things with my lovely nifty fifty. Thanks a lot for sharing 🙏
@fiona_lark
@fiona_lark 4 года назад
Such a great video Thomas, Grisedale forest is a lovely place. Seeing the tiny intimate detail is a gift. Beautiful photo by you both.
@jamespeirce2582
@jamespeirce2582 4 года назад
Thanks for this video. Good reminder to step outside the box. I like your composition of the leaves, more, in terms of the angle you worked to get. His simpler still image is delightful.
@debbieb9815
@debbieb9815 4 года назад
I really like both of your images. Glad to hear you will be shooting more intimate images in the near future. You really have a great eye for it. Can’t wait to see more!
@scotty4418
@scotty4418 4 года назад
Simplicity can be stunning and absolutely loved the 2nd image Thomas as this was a great example of it
@molopez619
@molopez619 4 года назад
scotty4418 simple hits hard when done right!
@alsokennisan
@alsokennisan 4 года назад
Really enjoyed watching this. Please have more of them coming 😍
@bikecommuter24
@bikecommuter24 4 года назад
I have to admit some of the best times I had in the UK involved putting on Wellies and going into the "wilds". I could sit by that pond for hours and enjoy every minute of it. Nature walks are just relaxing. Whenever I do business in England I try to add a extra day or three to enjoy a walk in the woods, hire me a car or more preferably a motorcycle and wander around.
@StephenPlimmerPhotography
@StephenPlimmerPhotography 4 года назад
another great video, thank you for once again showing us that it is not all about exotic locations and big vistas. That some times its the simple subjects close to home that really turn out to be the enjoyable shoots
@chuckstrange8832
@chuckstrange8832 4 года назад
Love the change of pace, it inspires me to try different styles. Your videos are instructional without seeming so.
@jillianhorsley5985
@jillianhorsley5985 4 года назад
Hi Thom, I enjoyed this very much. I watch all of your content and for a few weeks in my opinion I have watched you struggle....please relax and stop trying to perform for us fellow photographers, it will burn you out. There is so much beauty around us to capture do more of this and less stress will ensue. My comment is heart felt and is not meant to be nasty...enjoy your days as they take up time and that's the stuff that life is made of.
@debrareither4682
@debrareither4682 4 года назад
Loved both shots! Thank you for sharing Thomas & keep on with your photo journeys. You just get better with age & experience. 🤩
@soccerjockey
@soccerjockey 4 года назад
great video! this is something I've found myself gravitating more towards this year. Even living in Colorado, where there's no shortage of grand vistas to photograph at golden hour, I've been drawn more and more to finding the intimate details in the landscapes that I'm hiking in, especially flowers and fallen trees. And I love that first composition with the reflection!
@johnpouw3352
@johnpouw3352 4 года назад
Excellent vlog. I found myself in a bit of a rut for a month or so during winter where conditions were grey, not even stormy, just drab. So instead of giving up and hibernating for winter, I bought a macro lens which is opening up a new world. It wont change my core passion which is landscapes, but there is a lot to be said for popping out to the garden or the park on a drab dreary day and finding a wealth of subject matter beneath the foliage in the form of insects. Thanks again for posting the vlog. John Pouw, NZ.
@Marco030
@Marco030 4 года назад
Great, because even in seemingly boring places you will always find beautiful motifs 👍🏻
@molopez619
@molopez619 4 года назад
Marco Hartig that is a sign of a master photographer! 🙌🏽
@HighOnYouDroneBoy
@HighOnYouDroneBoy 4 года назад
Cracking video mate. I think what you say about just enjoying the moment and appreciating the environment is really key advice for any area scout. I gain so much from your channel dude, thanks! :)
@cgriggsiv
@cgriggsiv 4 года назад
Love you video is always Yes Thomas it is absolutely fantastic for the mind to just simply walk around small ponds and streams finding shots I have done this so many times on the trail And the shots you can get our sometimes absolutely stunning
@pnmather123
@pnmather123 4 года назад
Loved this one. Great to see you in a slightly different environment and really looking. It has inspired me to go out and see some of the smaller details that you can sometimes miss when you have a summit or viewpoint in mind for a shot.
@dreamcatcher3622
@dreamcatcher3622 4 года назад
You never realise how long tens seconds is until you use a self timer.
@molopez619
@molopez619 4 года назад
dream catcher facts! Lol
@TheMoodyPhotographer
@TheMoodyPhotographer 4 года назад
I can agree hahaha
@mika2666
@mika2666 4 года назад
Waiting for 10+ second exposures is hell too :(
@Denmarkone
@Denmarkone 4 года назад
@@mika2666 Waiting for 10+ minute exposures is even worse lol
@carlreid4161
@carlreid4161 4 года назад
Lovely images Tom nice and simple and a relaxed vibe to this vlog, enjoyed it!
@Bazzo61
@Bazzo61 4 года назад
Type of video well over due. Can see you are much more relaxed and enjoying the experience. Can totally relate to this type of more intimate shoot. Loved it.
@joelspencer900
@joelspencer900 4 года назад
It's nice to step away from the grand vistas and do some intimate landscape photography sometimes. Definitely feels like it has it's own therapeutic way about it. Looked like a tranquil and calm location at that lake.
@molopez619
@molopez619 4 года назад
Joel Spencer well said Joel!
@davidmedeiros7572
@davidmedeiros7572 4 года назад
Small and intimate detail shots are a great way to deal with limited time and resources for big trips to epic locations. When you start to think more like you are in this video, I think you begin to open up many more possibilities, especially those closer to home. And I think there's more to learn for us watching on our computers as well. When you walk us through an obviously amazing epic mountain scene, I don't think the small decisions you are making really come out. But here it's more obvious how what you see in your mind ends up as the shot. Cheers.
@AlergicToSnow
@AlergicToSnow 4 года назад
I’m so very happy you’ve expanded (condensed?) your horizons. I work full time so I don’t have the opportunity to keep going back to a tree or mountain hoping for the right light. It’s a colossal waste of my resources to get up in the middle of the night, travel for hours, only to turn around and go home because the sunrise didn’t happen. I love landscapes and I love getting out to experience new parts of the country, but I need to come back with some great images whenever I get a chance to go out with my camera.
@RichardFrenchPhotography
@RichardFrenchPhotography 4 года назад
Fantastic video, i really enjoy these little trip image days especially when i need to keep my creative flow going or just fancy doing something different.
@ScottJWaldron
@ScottJWaldron 4 года назад
Nice video. This is a little closer to my usual style of photography than your other work. I love those simple casual photo outings in nature.
@captain_barnacles
@captain_barnacles 4 года назад
Some of my most satisfying results are details - they certainly make you consider your subject carefully and how you create a representation you feel meets your intent. Do more!
@grat2010
@grat2010 4 года назад
Loved this video. I hope you will do more of these little landscapes. I found it very relatable and inspiring since I just dont have time to hike up to vast mountaintop vistas.
@emilycross4527
@emilycross4527 4 года назад
I like the one with the pine needles, they add texture and interest without being distracting.
@JohnHPettigrewFujishooter67
@JohnHPettigrewFujishooter67 4 года назад
Great video Thomas, I love getting out in the local parks and looking for this type of image, thanks for sharing.
@LynneLuxonJonesphotography
@LynneLuxonJonesphotography 4 года назад
Love the image of the 3 Lily leaves...fabulous spot Thom 👌
@JeffandLeslie
@JeffandLeslie 4 года назад
Thisis exactly the type of photography my wife and I do. Mainly we're doing wildlife bur intimate landscapes are my joy and what I look forward to photographing. Thanks for sharing.
@anildamodaran
@anildamodaran 4 года назад
Such a great video. Felt like I was right along for the walk with James and you! Also, thank you for picking new music for your video.
@raiman432
@raiman432 4 года назад
I love that type of photography, there will always be something different and minimalist as landscapes around my area was getting difficult to find something unique to photograph because everybody has the same photo and you have to hike for miles to find places less photographed which you need time for and hope the weather and light is your favour. love your work👍
@1young-geezer
@1young-geezer 4 года назад
Very generous of you Thomas to allow James' image as the better - but I don't agree. I love the flotsam floaters, and the movement blur of some energize the surround. I also like the angle you got from being in the water w/ the broader leaves from being more straight up above them, and I particularly like the position of the composition you achieved. Very nice image. Also really liked the other image. And I do appreciate the effort you've endorsed to change your game up - and take a wonderfully measured look into the smaller scene. Nicely done.
@danielhenzphotography
@danielhenzphotography 4 года назад
Very inspireing and symple images, Tom. Reminds me of that picture with the frozen leaves you shot a while back.
@waterman308
@waterman308 4 года назад
Very nice. Sometimes you just get bored doing the same thing over and over. There is so much beauty in the world where you live, enjoy all of it. And it says alot that in all that space you both saw the same image. Fascinating!
@phurbadukpa4375
@phurbadukpa4375 4 года назад
Fantastic photography Sir. ..I respect your hard work and you are the inspiration for us. .thank you.
@Realletsplaygrey
@Realletsplaygrey 4 года назад
loved this video Thomas! definitely going to do something similar to this on my day out this weekend. thank you for the idea!
@bglandscapetours
@bglandscapetours 4 года назад
Absolutely perfect, one of my favourite videos of yours!
@PamelaMarshall
@PamelaMarshall 4 года назад
Love James Bells work. It’s great to slow down once in a while.
@JamesBellLandscapePhotography
@JamesBellLandscapePhotography 4 года назад
Pamela Marshall thank you
@chriss2761
@chriss2761 4 года назад
Nice video with autumn coming up Thomas, Beautiful image love it 👌🙏
@molopez619
@molopez619 4 года назад
Chris S just in time for autumn vibes 🙌🏽
@MateoWieland
@MateoWieland 4 года назад
Freaking love your videos! So inspiring! Keep up the great work Thomas!
@molopez619
@molopez619 4 года назад
Mateo Wieland you and me both!
@colinfreear4749
@colinfreear4749 4 года назад
Inspirational,Thomas, getting out this weekend, thanks as always.
@bcegerton
@bcegerton 4 года назад
What a great video, you’ve given me some ideas and thankfully I can go numerous places locally. I’ve a small Local Nature Reserve about 10 minutes walk from my house ( 5 minutes for most as I’m disabled but thankfully not too much ), and I also live in Horwich, Bolton, with the whole of Rivington and some of the West Pennine Moors within 10 minutes drive of me. The Lilly photos were both amazing and at first glance I preferred yours, but after closer inspection I have to agree with you, James just takes the prize. I do like the slight vintage feel to his image too.
@colliescameraaction8944
@colliescameraaction8944 4 года назад
Really enjoyed this one! Thanks Thomas. It has helped me to think about what I plan to shoot this weekend (with gloomy damp weather forecast) without feeling the need to venture somewhere faraway with huge vistas and hope for golden light and colour catching clouds. As you suggest, intimate landscape photography doesn’t require grand viewpoints, interesting skies and golden lighting - the local woods or riverbank will have loads of little details that tell a story, with bright but diffused light still offering shadows, reflections etc bringing high levels of texture and colour interest on a small scale. I think there’s a big benefit to slowing down, and losing the idea that we have to venture somewhere far away and famous to find an impressive big shot. Does it really matter if those Lilly leaves are in a generic suburban pond or in a well known highland lochan or upland tarn? Not really. I find that travelling and then hiking deprives of us valuable time in the field and we often end up rushing to try and find a composition during the 30-60 minutes of golden/blue hour. Sometimes the most creative work comes out of arriving at a location and not knowing exactly what it is you will photograph. Too many times I’ve pre-planned, gone to the location, taken my shot, come home, and then realised that I could have done so much more with the day and come home with more of the unexpected. Again, a great video from you!!!
@Nature_Wild_And_Free
@Nature_Wild_And_Free 4 года назад
Really enjoyed watching this one Thomas! I have been waiting for fall to arrive and this has inspired me to get out and find something to shoot while waiting for fall foliage! Thanks Thomas would like to see more like this one!
@thepipertrader
@thepipertrader 4 года назад
So nice to see back in times of exploration! Do it more times, Thomas!
@raulluis7052
@raulluis7052 4 года назад
Truly find inspiration through your work!,... Thank you very much Thomas!,..;
@johnguillory7759
@johnguillory7759 4 года назад
Very nice narration/reflection on your thinking through the image you want.
@k2sass
@k2sass 4 года назад
Gorgeous images! Refreshing change.
@davidbruceod
@davidbruceod 4 года назад
Tom, I really liked the combination of the full CPL image and the partial CPL on your first image. Thanks
@OgetID
@OgetID 4 года назад
When I watch your videos mr Tom, I just want to go out as soon, do adventure, making video, capture image and enjoy the life. Relay enjoy your adventure videos mr Thom.
@killer120070507
@killer120070507 4 года назад
This type of nature photography is my favorite. It's rare that I have the time or opportunity to visit grand vistas at sunrise, so I too, just started going out in overcast weather and shooting details.
@stuartschaffner9744
@stuartschaffner9744 4 года назад
Really nice, Tom! I’m not surprised that you both saw the same composition, because both of you were looking for small compositions and both of you know about the rule of odds. Taking a ‘polarization stack’ was pure genius. Now that you have invented it, the rest of us will try it too. One thing I do a lot when I am trying to stretch or get out of a rut is to play a lot in Lightroom and Photoshop. For example your picture of all the lilies plus the tree shadows is simply stunnin’ but by severely cropping you could try out hundreds of arrangements of one, two, and three lily pads. Of course the results wouldn’t be publishable, but they could give you ideas for when you come back with a longer telephoto. I presume you know about RU-vidr Toma Bonciu (Photo Tom), who is going through a similar phase.
@joanneoconnor247
@joanneoconnor247 4 года назад
This video is so inspiration sometimes you can’t always go Long distances and it certainly makes you look closer around your surroundings 😍
@Artist1974CH
@Artist1974CH 4 года назад
I like both you and James's work! 😊
@garywedley9601
@garywedley9601 4 года назад
Refreshing to see you do a video like this thanks 👍
@ottersphotography304
@ottersphotography304 4 года назад
Nice video, great to see these intimate compositions.
@LuisHernandez-rf6ru
@LuisHernandez-rf6ru 4 года назад
I started following you years ago for that unique vision that you had (and I had not seen before in other photographers) to photograph details that for the rest would go unnoticed. You have helped me a lot in these years to train my eye and not only see the obvious landscapes that are photographed with wide angle. You are a magnificent photographer, whatever you photograph, but in fact, this type of intimate images are more your style. By the way, I think you also had a certain influence on my last acquisition of photographic gear. I am still in the process of understanding if I did it wrong, but I acquired a 200-600 lens to make landscape photography..... hahaha I know, it sounds crazy, but you made me love using telephoto lenses for landscapes. Also maybe the most appropriate option would have been a 100-400, but I will accept the challenge of the extra 200mm
@MarcTerryPhotography
@MarcTerryPhotography 4 года назад
This I find really interesting. I love this and you seeing the small details. I went to a poor beach (not clean or looked after) that turned up a log and stones lol simple but my Facebook blow up.
@Memories4lifemedia
@Memories4lifemedia 4 года назад
pls more of this love your others but this is great thanks. Agree with you verdict at the end but yours has merit as well, thanks for all the uploads love watching them thanks
@leetrry
@leetrry 4 года назад
I like photographing the scene within the scene. Especially in areas that are heavily photographed. Well done!
@barryjames3747
@barryjames3747 4 года назад
More of this please. Thank you.
@mpactdesignmedia
@mpactdesignmedia 4 года назад
Love the owl @ 5:23. Great epi, TH!
@DezSUrban
@DezSUrban 4 года назад
Love this video, far better to clear the mind and get down and personal
@thatvillagephotographeroff2621
@thatvillagephotographeroff2621 4 года назад
Amazing video once again Thomas!😁📸
@griffithjoe1
@griffithjoe1 4 года назад
this is a great video for those of us who like to photograph nature but don't happen to live in (or travel to) areas with those vast, sweeping, mountains in the background type locations. thanks! I hope the kfc lived up to expectations!
@Medlee101
@Medlee101 4 года назад
So Relaxing thank you!
@frankkristof8859
@frankkristof8859 4 года назад
Great image Thomas. Keep them coming :)
@adamrussell6442
@adamrussell6442 4 года назад
Honestly my favourite type of videos.
@chopster01
@chopster01 4 года назад
Loved this video. Proves you can infinite variety of shots on a smaller scale.
@JustSamOfficial
@JustSamOfficial 4 года назад
Great photos Thomas, I like both images but yours with the pine needles is more appealing to me plus it tells me more about where you might be. But both photos are great. Nice job thanks!
@jesse113553
@jesse113553 4 года назад
Great video and a nice change of pace. I would love to see how you blend the two exposures of the lilypad-tree reflection photo.
@PaulGJohnsonphotography
@PaulGJohnsonphotography 4 года назад
Catching up . Great video. James is a genuine guy and a good mate. Re your comment on sounding pretentious. After watching you for almost 3 years, I was just saying to James last night that despite your success , you still come across as down to earth and relatable. Keep up the great content.
@robcarr1899
@robcarr1899 4 года назад
This is right up my street. My type of photography. Nice photo Tom.
@johnpunnett1426
@johnpunnett1426 4 года назад
Great shots - I could so see your 5D4 or you falling in the Tarn ... was just waiting for it to happen...
@stuartschaffner9744
@stuartschaffner9744 4 года назад
John Punnett , I was thinking that he has phases where he longs for a new camera...
@ABRAVERICK1
@ABRAVERICK1 4 года назад
Love your work Thomas.
@bradzaruba9686
@bradzaruba9686 4 года назад
Another winner Tom.
@LadyTracyOfTheDisk
@LadyTracyOfTheDisk 4 года назад
"No back on my lens. You can tell how much I look after my gear". *fails to put back on lens he puts in pack* LOL Nice images, Tom, both of them. I admire your devotion to getting the exact shot you want, even if it risks getting water in your boots!
@frazhassan
@frazhassan 4 года назад
And you have a new Garmin Watch. Instantly noticed that. Welcome to the club. Congratulations
@mohammedamalik3859
@mohammedamalik3859 4 года назад
I always thought of my photography like my food, variety is essential for good health.
@ClaudioRod
@ClaudioRod 4 года назад
nice vlog Thomas. 1st image is beautiful.
@CostaMesaPhotography
@CostaMesaPhotography 4 года назад
Really nice video...stretching creative muscles and watching you doing that was informative and enjoyable. I especially like that you were able to include a side-by-side of your images and James's image. What are the odds that you would both notice, and photograph the same three leaves in that area. I also think it shows a lot of respect, and self-evaluation to be willing to say you think James's image was a more successful result that yours...you're a quality guy.
@molopez619
@molopez619 4 года назад
CostaMesaPhotography classy guy for sure!
@valdius85
@valdius85 4 года назад
Thank you for that video. I limited taking the camera with me on family little trips as we go middle of the day. I need to start taking this 70-200mm I like so much and look for detailed photos ;)
@Thehipsterplantman
@Thehipsterplantman 4 года назад
Driving in flip flops Thomas - tut tut!!! Great video - loved the image
@chiranjibghorai6950
@chiranjibghorai6950 4 года назад
"Aaah... My legs!" Relatable :P
@JoDaniels
@JoDaniels 4 года назад
With this video you are “meeting” very closely all those photograhers, including myself, who are living nearby such forest and do not have the urgent need to travel far. It seems that you arrived in an interessting “ New Photography home”. I am looking forward to the next tour in your new home😊
@PMCN53
@PMCN53 4 года назад
I like both images for different reasons. Sometimes the beauty is in the detail. :)
@michaelclarke8066
@michaelclarke8066 4 года назад
Awesome video and photography work as usual Thomas! I think the often overdone popularity of so many of the "epic" spots has in many ways forged a path for intimate landscapes being the more unique visual art form nowadays. Cheers and keep up the awesome work! I do think your playing with fire (or water in this case!) by not using a camera strap, even though they can flop around I definitely find comfort in being able to hold the straps at times and especially when the locations are precarious, but it's ok to live on the edge too.
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