Moving our Cims (and cargo) by Rail - Resfeber05 

Having read through some comments, I just wanna say that while I do agree your approach to things isnt authentic or typical of European cities, I wouldn't get too caught up in the comments. Theres a million European cities skylines series on RU-vid that showcase authentic European cities and your approach is what makes this series different. So keep up the good work and make the city your own!

When the city is expanding, remember that they didn't just go from fields to "let's put up a new wall/canal". There would be a period in between where the area got filled with shacks, tanneries, animal dealers, and all the temporary-ish businesses that took up too much space (or smelled too bad) to be inside the walls. When they expand, those things get pushed outside again and the new permanent buildings fill up a street pattern that was mostly laid down by animal lots and shantytowns. If you get that mix correct, of underlying chaos with a layer of order (not underlying orderly streets with a dusting of chaos), almost anything you do after that will look natural or "right".

Loving the series as always - I honestly don't want to recommend anything about map changes as I just want to chill for 35 minutes, watching development, listening to that excellent EXCELLENT choice of music you use for the vibe you create. Long hard day at work and i got to come home and relax because of this so thank you. Keep it up man :)

Coming along nicely. I love the choice of the Dutch canals! Two comments regarding the train situation. Many larger old cities in Europe have a city station which is locate near the historical core and a newer station a bit farther away. Often they had a city line running from the old station to the new. You could leave your tram line around the old core but actually have it stop at a city train station rather than going all the way out to the through station. Also, generally passenger and cargo stations are not placed together. Too much traffic and too much noise. While the smaller cities/stations in Europe often combine both (because they only have a single station and don't get that much traffic), the larger places keep them separate. The cargo stations are generally located a bit more away from the city or residential areas. Nice choice on the Baden Baden station -- only 45 minutes away from my home town... :)

A canal leading to the train station (particularly the cargo station) would make sense. While I doubt it would serve this purpose anymore, historically, the canal could have been a major freight-hub in the past, but now is nothing more than a part of the scenery.

minute 25 isgh when you build the turnaround for the tram. I have never thought to build a fake track, then use it as a guide and then delete/connect. BRILLIANT!

I don't know if you've discarded this project already, but you should have a look at Wrocław, Poland. Especially the Cathedral Island. I feel like there's a lot of inspiration to be taken from that area of the city. Take a closer look at Xavery Dunikowski boulevard, Słodowa Island and the main Market Square. Btw. love your content

Biffa inspires me to make builds practically, you inspire me to make this visually beautiful. Thank you.

I am from Europe, your "Old City" set-up looks more or less authentic. It's believable enough to tell us the story of a European town/city

Taking your time and making corrections is just like many of us building a city. Keep being flexible.

If you're looking for planning suggestions, I'd recommend making, or imagining small villages or clumps of houses dotted around which would be surrounded by farms, then you have all the farmland inbetween that gets pushed out in favour of modern development or suburbs, but the villages remain historical and change little

loving the tram and the train station. I am hoping that you don't go from old town straight into a completely symetric grid. It definatly can be less wiggly and chaotic then the old town but it should still be a bit chaotic and natural and not so planned

I really thought you were going to have the oldtown->station arterial be the main tramline; expectations expertly subverted! The waterline following tram is going to wow the heck out of tourists! I am all for tram-a-bout turnarounds. Made one inside of a large traffic roundabout in my latest city. I almost regretted it but after dressing up my intersections (which I learned how to do all thanks to you!) and getting a nice ring of trees separating the road and tram tracks, I was quite taken with it. Keep up the good work and thank you so much for taking the time to share your knowledge as well as your creativity.

I'm praying you'll continue this city at some point in the future. The city is so alive and I can see the fun you're having while experimenting. But I love your vids regardless :3

really amazing change to the canals. as an observation, a town/city like this would have built up over hundreds of years. i think the city match the shape of the ancient core and soften out into the modern features as it radiates out with things like the train station perhaps cutting into the existing structure as they were first added 50, 100, maybe even 150 years prior when people were not as interested in preserving what was there before. modern items i think would tend to contrast with whats there, even 'old' things like trams. the most accurate thing might be to actually build the radiating sections out from the ancient core and then going in and inserting the more modern things. depending on how 'modern' they were, they would either slice through, go over, or go around depending on the value of the item or the sensibilities in place when the item would have gone in. as for that triangle, there is a fortification structure in game. perhaps that jutting into the river to protect the city with a fortified area there that perhaps became city services and museums over time?

The more perfect roads around the old town looks out of place, more messy roads around with housing would look better imo

That entire railway station is so satisfying to see. Good job.

if this series does continue then maybe a commuter rail route from "central" down to the canal/riverside/oldtown, from a transport perspective it provides a faster albeit regional connection to the ot compared to the tram and from a lore standpoint, it makes sense: the railway company built the central station as far out as possible (in reason) to save on land costs and then built a small spur down to the oldtown/river for better cargo/passenger connection *in the 1850s (when rail transport started taking off)* and then the cargo traffic was suspended in the 60s because trucks exist HOWEVER, on that last point w/ the 60s, it doesnt make as much sense in germany/switz/austria. i mean they use small electric switcher (shunter in europe) locos for local transport thanks for reading :)

The city is looking fantastic, channel your inner Biffa and do the tram-about, they keep things running smooth and the earlier you put it in means it is easier to plan around it and make it a feature of its own. Love the idea of the canal/city wall look, it gave me an idea that in times past with the advent of the railway that maybe a spur of the canal was put in to run good to the city and as time has gone on the canal was replaced by a road so sections along it could be decorated to reflect that. Lots of ideas for my own city! 👍👍

Played the whole afternoon cities and now I get a nice building video. Thx. Used your single point interchange. Very nice work.

Loving how this is coming along! Yes to tram-a-bout! Also...I think I'd like to see another canal, but only if you give it a "purpose", so to speak, so have industry/cargo shipping through there. So maybe that one the other side as you mentioned? Also, I strongly recommend not trying to go with any "authenticity". Just "fantasy" map it up. Use stuff for inspiration, certainly! But don't worry at all about whether or not something is staged out the way a "proper" or "believable" European city is. I love what you're doing, so just keep that up!

To avoid some crossing over of the trams, the Tiffany line could be designated as just a loop around the old town while the purple line loops but is the only one to go out to the train station.

Great video! The detail in the train stations was awesome! If you added additional canals to the old town, I would suggest using smaller ones and maybe go for a Venice feel, where they transport goods around on boats. I don’t think you can do that in CS but we can use our imagination. I would not use “rings” or “layers” of canals bc that would be unrealistic. Back in these times it would be a massive city center that had expanded as the population grew from the old town and crops would be grown way outside the city and transported in using carts. Right now the city has a Kings Landing feel to it and would be cool to see it continue in that direction. Where you had a wall around the Main city then another wall surrounding the city’s expansion.

While perfect roads aren't authentic, I love exact measurements with everything coming along nicely. In my opinion you should keep going like this 😋

Regarding the train parking, most people just walk gently between the cars and not around them. ;) Awesome and yes do let go a bit on the grid and angles as you mention. That way it becomes even more realistic.

As a railway fan, this is pleasingly to look at, so symmetrical

If you change the tramroad to be drivable, I suggest placing a tram stop before an intersection, so when the tram stops to let people in/out cars behind won't block the intersection

I really like the look of the new trainstation. Espacially the direkt road to the citycenter and the straight corridor to the river. This would be a great opportunity for another green strip or garden in addition to your planned one at the chanal, maybe in combination with a fancy palace. For the streets i think it would be better to have them more focused on the Citycenter itself. Because obviously most Citys grew outwards ring by ring. So maby build some artearials coming form the gates outward first then and develope some arears around them. Also this a factor that would make this city very european is the time. While the cities expanded over time, the building and planingstyles changed too. So while you have this lovley messy old town center from the medival period, the next layer would be build in the early modern era. Still messy but more complex. Next some nice triangular vicctorian districts and at last modern, suburban neighborhoods.

Every episode makes me like you a little more. So great to see you remove old stuff like "changed my mind, doesn't feel right any more"- happens to me all the time. The tram loop at the Station could become sort of a Plaza, surrounded by small Shops. I'd vote against a tram-a-bout: not needed for traffic (if they jam, then there are too many on the line) and it would have to be too large to work effectively.

I subscribed for more of this series! If I had to suggest something: more canals and and old industrial park next to the rail station connected with a few old buildings. I would imagine this town started as a capital in a small European Kingdom. The canals and buildings give that feeling and then in the beginning of the 1800s the industrial revolutions rolled around they added steampowered factories in the outskirts of town which was later connected to the outside towns with railways. With that in mind I would maybe add an industrial complex with some smokestacks next to the cargo trainstation which is then maybe connected with a canal to the city, meaning the railway track would have to cross the canal. The placement of the newer part makes sense as that might have just been farms and such which later vanished to make room for an expanding city. Great work

Just some thoughts that came across my mind: Why are you putting a tram stop after a junction? This might lead to traffic issues. For example when two trams are right after each other and the first is waiting at the tram stop and the other one behind it in the middle of the junction. Why not create a kind of stadtbahn or metrotram. Take a look at Köln(Cologne?) or Antwerp for example. In the suburbs it is a tram, in the city centre a metro. You could use the arterial or create a LRT lane next to it. And then go underground and make a stop in the old town and maybe go across the water? I really enjoy this serie. Cant wait for the next episode. Loved the train lay-out. Much love!

Looking forward for more entries in this playlist, it's looking nice so far! :-)

Hey, you're doing a waterfront tram just like Budapest! 🤣😂🤣😂 build the road next to it! If you wanna understand how the cities in Europe run their trams, look on Google maps of different cities and look for RU-vid videos (but you probably already know all that! 😉)

Love your spin on things! I look forward to the continuation of the project!!

I just stumbled onto this series, while not "authentic European" your approach to the feel of European and thought process is great to watch. Your delivery is engaging, keep up the great work as these must take a lot of time to produce.

Your work always makes me want to be so much more precise in my building. Inspiring stuff!

I could imagine some old downtown fishing port, with warehouses and a railway station from the last century.

Still watching, but have to say, I was so sad when you "fixed" that broken piece of the road. No road is perfectly curved or straight in Europe. Even our biggest sweeping arterials going through the city, getting the most traffic are usually made up of shorter, "broken" straights pieced together as best as they could make it. I really hope you manage to break your perfectionism for this series and do way more "broken" or bad road layouts, to get that authentic feeling.

The triangle bit outside the old town should, I think should be some kind of old fortifications, with ramparts, watchtower and some old weaponry. But now repurposed as a museum with guided tours.

I think an extra canal is a great idea, always love canals in cities (Amsterdam), also i really think the trainstation is just lovely. Also big props to u to make the canal an Netherlandish contour it looks jut so good and look a like like my home country. If u wanna make by yourself an parkinglot, there is a mod called: "BIG Parking Lots Basic". The maker of the mod has also some parking places for handicapped people. I think if u do a tram-bout, the road is gonna look special, in the beginning it would look weird, but u have to look through it, i really like the idea. really love the series and appreciate that u make this series, see you next time!

The canals and fitting roads really add some extra authenticity. Also, I like the new transport hub!

It's interesting seeing your take on a European city as a European (Brit). It's coming along nicely and does remind me of a couple of places I've been to, so you're on the right track. So I have some suggestions if that is alright to make. Firstly on the town spreading out from the old walled section, I can recommend some places to look at as real world examples that are close to what you're going for. Starting with Conway, a walled town in Wales. Conway is a beautiful place situated on the north Wales coastline, complete with a castle and one of the best preserved medieval walls in Britain. Since then the town has spread out and up the hillside it sits nestled against, offering splendid views down to the cost even if most of the housing is council houses from the 60s and 70s. There is also a rail connection in Conway which features a box shield bridge, and also cut through a section of the wall by rejigging it into an arch over the tracks whilst maintaining the crenellations, before cutting into the hillside where the station is in a cutaway before the tracks carry on underground and inland away from Conway. Honestly just a great place to look at for inspiration. Another place to look at would be the city of Lincoln as well, it's different in that most of its walls are gone, but they still have an effect in defining the old town and how the city spills down the hill away from the castle and the old town. Secondly for the trams. So I have two suggestions here, firstly is if possible to try and find tram tracks with grass under them, that's fairly common for separated tram tracks in Europe and it also has a quieting effect on the trams as well, not by much but every bit helps. For this I'd suggest trying to find some Dutch tram tracks. And then if possible try to have your tram roads also have cycle lanes, again something that is common in Europe and just offers more options to get around, but also allows cyclists away from cars which are dangerous to them. Lastly on the canals, again I'd suggest looking to British cities, specifically Manchester, which I know would sound a bit odd but Manchester has a lot of canals. British cities started the industrial revolution on the backs of canals, and a lot of really old factory buildings still remain by canal sides to this day in a lot of British cities, especially those in the North. Apart fom that though, keep going with your own approach, whilst these are things I think would help you, you by no means need to incorporate them. Your outside perspective is what is making this interesting as you're learning as you go and discovering what makes our cities so interesting to everyone, even the people that live in them. All the best to you as you continue with this project.

I don't know why but the tram near the wall of the city reminded me to Tallinn, even if they don't have a canal. So far the city is looking beautiful. I guess you will change it the future but I would make more "curvy" no so straight streets also outside the canal, it looks more organic :) Keep on it, I like how it's looking!

I enjoy your way of plan then implement taking into account the changes of the process due to actions and reactions, oh ,and I learn al lot watching you work. Thank you. cheers!

I agree with the choice to have a straight arterial from the city to the train station (roads weren't just random, they were mostly built from landmark A to B, with filler inbetween) but realistically it wouldn't be that straifht. It wouldn't be curved, but the road would have some very slight bends probably. Very good series though, prob my fav on cities skylines :D

I think that's my favorite ground level passenger station on the workshop.

City looks wicked, keem em coming Yumbl!

Here is a simple and suggestion for parking lots at the train station: flop every other row so the cars could actually drive down the middle. Simple fix for a realistic look.

There is a great asset called the Tram/Bus/Metro hub which would look really good and allow a tram turn around across the road from the station.

be careful because the freight station will generate a lot of traffic in addition to the normal station. it will be necessary to put one-way roads to manage the flow and maybe widen certain roads. And not on the connection in the corner in front of the underground road, it might get stuck at some point. the rails are at the top otherwise, and if you overtake the railway line to the limit, make it underground so as not to have two bridges.

About the tram I would recommend making the outside loop connected with train station, and a smaller inner loop that just goes opposite way around old town

To be honest yumble I would not go to modern but continue the old town area, but use old stuff more... like the station nice old look you should continue that even the water canal stuff, you have cargo barges from bloody pinquin that would be so nice completing resferber, I would put the modern side a bit on the other side of the river keep them separated and maybe use trams to get from one side to the other side.

I gotta say, I really like that one canal that so clearly serves defensive purposes - a second or more don't really make as much sense in that context. Plus, it's refreshing to not go all out on canals but leave it simple. I also wouldn't put another old town on the other side of the river. It's so wide, the two sides might have been connected by ferries only for a long time. Whether the new bridge then spurred the development of a new "eixemple" to accomodate the growing population or an industrial harbor, I don't know. Both seem interesting, offering very different aesthetics of the riverbank. On the other hand, there might have been two medieveal towns on either side of the river, like Buda and Pest, but they wouldn't have to be straight across from each other. Maybe the other old town used the lake down the river, or sits at the merger with that smaller river upstream? Or maybe there was a hill that made a prime spot for a city? There's so many great options! I know you'll come up with something fantastic. :)

The old town is really coming along nicely. But outside of old town, don't forget to make use of your road layouts knowledge. I think adding some random short curves to the main/arterial roads would make the city look a bit more European.

OMG! SO happy to you have over 35K subs and 0 dislikes. KEEP IT GOING!!

I’d Remember that in European cities public transport is king, so the land next to the train station is normally extremely expensive and well developed. Also that they are not car-centric AT ALL (especially compared to the US), driving into and around downtown is normally actively discouraged, and wasting prime real estate on surface level parking is extremely rare- normally parking is underground or in multi-storey parking garages, hidden away behind buildings; if there is parking at all. also, the road layout is often designed to make driving slower than biking or taking the tram etc- car routes are often circuitous and slow

Really enjoying your content as a series form! Question: Shouldn't the parking lots be in pairs of R+L instead of all R or all L?

If you are going for the Organic European city look then you are going about it pretty well. I know that a medium sized city close to where I live also has the train station pretty far away from the old town city center. So this actually reminds me of when I go visit that city. Pretty nice.

Still really enjoying what you're doing here. From my own understanding of history and then more limited understanding of the game, I think the biggest hurdle is that the game is designed around roads designed for cars, which historically are probably one of the most recent developments concerning transportation, even more recent than trains. Because of this, it's hard to start the way cities in Europe did, ie oldest first. I think you're doing a good job given the constraints of the game, and look forward to seeing how it develops. I really like the historical narrative that you're creating around Resfeber - I think you could even lean more into to this and let that in some ways inform your design decisions going forward. Regardless of where you take it, I'm along for the ride!

You need bicycle parking. It's a thing! And bike roads separate from car roads. At Elsinore, which I mentioned in an earlier comment, two forts face off against each other to control passage through the water. One side is Denmark; the other is Sweden. So we can expect another old town on the other side, but having a different vibe.

I know it's an old video, but nevertheless. The old town looks amazing! It's one of the most beautiful images that I've seen in videogames. Also, people likening it to Amsterdam are totally wrong. It's much, much nicer than that dark, dirty brown place.

16:00 damn, thats some tight parking there

I think that wobly canal looks cool and can be quite realistic.

Great series so far, really do enjoy the build. Great content as always my dude, keep it going :D

Thanks for longer video. Great work again.

I think another canal would be a great idea...maybe a dead end in the high density commercial that could go across the river to connect to a low density residential with farming? or an industrial area?

whats going on with the series? is it dead? would love to see you continue Resfeber!

Hey man just wanted to say this series is cool as hell, keep up the good work!

A walled settlement with moat often had additional secondary fortications on the outer bank of the moat (the German term is "Wallanlage" or "wall complex") - often with star-fort-like bastions - that were retained as city parks in later years- great examples are the cities of Lübeck, Bremen, and Regensburg. It would be great if you could implement a park that reflects this historical useage. I really like how your station turned out, it's just a shame the asset isn't modular - the best thing about modular stations is that you can decide which platforms accept intercity trains and which don't. That helps prevent major congestions because you can separate local and intercity trains using the station - unfortunately, multi-platform non-modular stations like this one (or the vanilla ones) can clog up extremely quickly, which is why I avoid them like the plague, even genuinely beautiful ones like this one. Keep it up, you're doing great!

City is looking great. I really like where the wall meets the canal. I also enjoy the black roads. It just looks sleeker. Keep it up brother! Edit: You should alternate the parking lots L2 R2, L2 R2. So they are kind of back to back.

its looking real nice, and yeah mybe one more canal would do it , and inner and outer cannal, and i would put a barge port at the outer cannal thats hows its done here near the river exit towards the sea, and some indutry, connected by another rail cargo station

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By the way: I use the “Terraforming Network” and place them just outside the quay (lower them into the water) if there is a road close to the quay. Otherwise there is that slope of ground sticking out the quay which is nasty to terraform. This way you can easily lower the ground for more beautiful quays. 😉

Yes more canals. Very good series.

beauty soundtrack as always YumbleBee

I am absolutely in love with this city ! Please tell me you haven't definitely stopped it and that it's coming back soon ?

Hi, the series has inspired me to start my own hand crafted city, not sure weather I should thank or curse you yet though :-)

Will you ever continue this project again? I'm really invested to see how this city will pan out.

Really liked that City, too bad its already abandoned. Maybe one day you may continue it - Resfeber was what made me subsrcibe to you, after all :)

You probably are way ahead now. But I could see the area along the canal in the road becoming a park area

You really need to start using the connection tool in network multitool. Would make building curved roads a lot more easier.

7:40, this bridge reminds me of north england

Watching this series 11 months late, but it’s a shame to see you didn’t continue this series. :(

At least a partial second canal ring would be nice, it's likely that in a strategic location like the end of a river, the city would once have been a star Fort and the second canal Ring would be shaped accordingly (such as the canal in Leeuwarden). Typically train stations were built wherever the edge of the city was in the early 1800s, so generally any development between the station and the town centre would be older than that, and wouldn't have lots of modern features like straight roads and green belts, unless the city was heavily bombed during the second World War and rebuilt afterwards (like with Coventry). So while the radial roads might be straight boulevards built for military parades, I don't think the rest of the inner city would be so geometric. (although there are obviously exceptions to this such as Barcelona)

Baden Baden to sound like "pardon pardon"

Just a tip.. you can use parallel road tool with roads and quays together....

how about put one way roads hugging up to the tram tracks to add maximum roading space.

2:19 nice

Your videos are so helpful. For inspiration you should look at the rl train station in Bratislava

Good series with no ending ..

Yumbl, You're probably already aware, but there a "parallel road tool" mod that allows you to draw multiple parallel networks (not just roads) at user-defined distances that might make it easier to put roads very close to quay walls instead of doing it by hand every time

loving the story and growth. but i do wonder how people get from platform to platform on those middle one?....

WTG, man. I love Resfeber!

I'm in love with your city!!

just awesome work bro

Remember kids, don't skip train day

The Third Rail should have Magnolia singing in the background!

Please, please, please, have every other 1x4 parking at the station be Left, and the other to be Right, to mimic actual parking lots a bit better. [ ][ ][ ]

I found an nice alternate way of fixing edgy networks is removing a node, the system will do its best to smooth the curve with whats left and there is no move-it fine motorics needed; one might add extra nodes before and after the operation. And I must say you are extremely intolerant of any imperfections on your lawn, you probably level down anthills, I am deeply shocked, though it does look good.

No part 6? Really enjoying this series, as someone new to pc and mods I'm learning alot