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That dumbwaiter was working when New Jersey came out in '82, I was an MM1working at SIMA Long Beach as HVAC/Hydraulics supervisor. We received several work orders for evaluation as LBNS passed some work to SIMA. That dumbwaiter was one of those jobs for evaluation. It worked but would "hang up" and trip breakers. My HYD shop found nothing mechanical that would cause it, and our Repair Officer deemed it and electrical issue. I was off active duty in 1979, and the Navy decided to recall me as I had been an MM on an AOE 2 the Camden which used the boilers and engines from another BB Kentucky , that was when they had started making preps for the New Jersey to go into LBNS for refit. I declined those orders. I didn't want to spend 2-3 years in the shipyard, only to be transferred before sea trials. I would go now, but they don't allow old diabetic sailors to do that... I retired in 92 after 20. You do the New Jersey and the Navy proud with your work!
IF at all possible you guys should repair the dumbwaiter. I would be a cool feature to use when groups come to spend the night on the ship. It could also be used for the staff of the ship for whatever.
I’ve been watching this Channel for probably over a year now. It is my nightly ritual to watch one video then go get ready for bed. But I have to say the videography and audio was amazing. Keep up the great work!
In his book, "The Brass Ring", Bill Mauldin described travelling across the Atlantic in a WWII troop ship where he made friends with a cook who would ride inside the dumbwaiter to sneak undetected into different areas of the ship.
I would have guessed the "most important goods" would be the mail. Ironic that when the device that pandered to the navy upper crust broke down, they didn't bother to fix it, and made the enlisted guys have to work harder. Instead of inconveniencing the brass in any way.
This video is quite fascinating and covers a topic that most individuals wouldn't even think to inquire about. It would be great to witness its operation once more. Thank you for sharing these videos and please continue to post more.
I"m surprised they had a vertical shaft like that penetrating so many decks. Perhaps the risk of a bomb finding it's way down the shaft was judged to be less than the risk of an angry Admiral with cold soup?
2-99 is a mid ship and on top of the Armored Citadel Cap with all the Main guns director's barbettes mass above it. And the conning tower armored mass is just forward of that. Sits in a nice armored bubble with the armored belt on its sides. Its not armored, all around it is. If something should ever make its way down there, lots of your ship is already missing. Everything like the intake and exhaust for the boilers going into the Citadel is staggered and vented through holes in a doubled part of the armored deck. All go right through the area behind those walls. So makes sense why the dumb waiter is there in that spot. All the important stuff is starts one deck down.
said " risk of an angry Admiral with cold soup? " Soupy doopy doop, Oh soupy doopy. Soupy doopy doop, Oh soupy doopy. Strange things in my soup, That's what I found there. Little tiny things That move around there. Looking down I see, They're looking up at me.
Reading Patrick O'Brian, in the days of sail, it was common practice for the Captain (or Admiral) to invite two or three midshipmen and/or members of the Wardroom to dine with him in his cabin, and occasionally the Wardroom would invite the Captain to dine with them. The Captain dining as a guest was rather formal, everyone would be expected to dress accordingly. I wonder if these customs made it into modern navies.
That sounds like the type of decision that could cause a curator to loose a little sleep. If something worked at the end of the ship's navy career and it is easy to get working then it is an easy call. But something that the navy made changes to work around? Is it being inoperable part of the historic fabric of the ship?
My last ship, the USS W. S. Sims (FF-1059) had a dumbwaiter to move food up to the wardroom pantry from the galley, where all meals were prepared. On my first ship, USS Hermitage (LSD-34) officers' meals were prepared in the wardroom pantry.
The Kitty Hawk stores elevators were all deadlined by the time I checked on board in 1996. All food stores were broken down to the below deck freezers and reefers by hand by a 450 man working party. Last time I was on that working party I helped pass down 940 five gallon containers of ultra-homogenized milk in Guam, circa 1999. Hard work that was one helluva upper body workout, let me tell you. My arms were dead by the time we got done with that. I transferred off that ship in 2000, those stores elevators never worked the entire time I was there. The Nimitz class carriers I was on later, _their_ stores elevators all worked.
They probably figured out how to build the elevators to last longer by the time the Nimitz commissioned in 1975! I read and hear more and more from sailors about problems with the older class carriers like the Essex, Forrestal, and Kitty Hawk. Some of them have nicknames that tell you the story about the major malfunctions on those ships like "Shitty Hawk" = air conditioning and air filtration system didn't work a lot of the time. I would think a lot of the malfunctions on carriers happen as a result of age and corrosion. A lot of things were not working on the Enterprise/CVN-65 by its last cruise. They were down to the last spares the Navy had for the power generators and at least 2 of the 4 rudders were stuck! This all happened in spite of a last overhaul that was 2-3 times more costly than the average overhaul! That ship was decommissioned for reasons besides old nuclear reactors. Some components of that ship were at least 55 years old by the time it was retired in 2012. (The bow anchors WERE 55 years old at that point and were both recycled for newer ships.) The Enterprise was too expensive to keep in service. She had no sister ships and everything had to be modified for her use. The advantage of NOT being a single-ship class is having spares built for all the ships and being able to cannibalize parts to keep the hull in service. In retrospect, the Enterprise probably should have been retired in 1989 like was originally planned...
Fun fact: Knox class frigates had a "dumbwaiter" that went from the main deck right outside of the sickbay to the 3rd deck for striking down foodstuffs to the reefers.
That wasn't a dumbwaiter, it was a conveyor. The racks ran in a loop. Very dangerous as it ran continuously when in operation and could catch a hand or head.
@@dennisfariello4852 True, hence the word dumbwaiter being in quotes. And you're right they were dangerous. Myself and another guy were mess cranking and I was handing boxes of meat to him and he was tossing them onto the conveyor. For some reason he stuck his head through the open hatch and the next rack coming down caught the back of his head forcing him down and crushing his throat against the bottom of the hatch opening. Left on a stretcher. Didn't come back to the ship.
@@DrSchor Well, kind of. Call it an emergency stop if you like. It's rea)y just a stop switch with a big red cap to make it easier to smack in an emergency. By "safety switch" we usually mean limit switches or door switches or some kind of automatic shutoff, which they did not have.
I had read about dumbwaiters, so I recognized one in an old staid urban ~mansion I explored with a couple college friends. Nice to see old-smart irl. Weirdest thing about the place, was the separated stairway for the servants. That changed the feel of the building for me. Spooky hint of a different embedded class reality. Since someone might wonder: house had had a fire at the heater boiler. Why it was not barricaded, and was unlocked, beats me.
They're fairly common in restaurant kitchens in older cities, where the restaurant is in a historic building without a lot of space. The kitchen is therefore relegated to the cellar, with a dumb waiter connecting it to the dining room on the ground floor.
@@franzfanz why does it have to be an older city is it not true that modern restaurants don't have a lot of space? they have to pay by square foot. is that not expensive?
Since I love my feed, that suggestion makes me tense. Looking forward (as a believer in reincarnation), I hope that real food is provided me. If they can’t beam it up to my quarters, at least the space cruiser will have antigravity conveyance tech. And gravity-trays/platers to maintain the presentation, or at least an antigravity-shield gizmo thang. ~8D
The 1950s-vintage engineering office where my father worked when I was a kid had a dumbwaiter very like that connecting the drafting room on the third floor to the document review room on the second and the document storage vault on the first. It had a rack inside it full of round pigeonholes for rolled drawings. I wonder if it's still there, in the long-abandoned ruins of the building...
@@DrSchor The building's an abandoned ruin, for all I know everything inside has collapsed by now. I guess technically the dumbwaiter's remains would still be _there_ if that's happened, but...
I think it’s funny that so many of us have asked ‘could the ship be reactivated?’ when there is contemporaneous evidence from back in the day that the Navy was already considering that she was ready to go back to being a sleeping giant, by not repairing a relatively simple system like a dumb waiter.
Interesting. On my museum ship (Hornet CV-12), I've seen a few of these. There's a larger kitchen on Third Deck underneath the 2nd Deck pantry for the officers wardroom. There's also a dumbwaiter going down to 4th deck special weapons area ("special" because they split atoms- aka, BIG BOOM).
My last ship USS Harry W Hill DD-986 had a dumb waiter from the refer deck, to the galley, to the wardroom, to the main deck for handling food being loaded in and to send to the wardroom. I was a Mess Management Specialist 2nd class and I ran the galley as watch captain, was jack of the dust distributing food, and DCPO. I also stood quarterdeck watches as pettyofficer of the watch, and that came in handy when the other jack of the dust got stores in when i was on watch. I knew how the dumb waiter worked from above.
I want to know if there is still a dent from a 16" 2700 pound shell, after it dropped multiple deck levels, when it broke loose while being lowered to the magazines, in 1947.
We had a dumbwaiter on the USS Sacramento when I was aboard (92-96), but I don't know if it was ever used. It went from the main deck galley to the 01 level CPO Scullery and the 02 level Wardroom. We also had a package conveyor that went to the Jack O Dust on the second deck below the galley. I thought it extended up to the cargo handling tunnel on the 02 level but my DC diagrams only show it going from the passageway outside the galley on the main deck to the JoD. We never used it; the only time I ever saw it open was when A gang was doing their monthly PMS checks. Story I heard was no one in S2 was qualified to operate it, so we just carried everything up and down the ladder by hand. There was no dumbwaiter for the CO's galley... since it was some 500 feet away in the forward superstructure. When I did my "grand tour" of the Museum ships back in 2014 I was surprised to see the Fletcher class destroyers had a dumbwaiter, saw one on the Kidd. But when you realize the galley was on the main deck and the mess decks were below, it makes sense.
thomas jefferson popularized the dumbwaiter in the colonies. he got the idea from homes in france. dumbwaiter have been used for thousands of years. He also used a lazy susan half behind a wall so his visitors did not have to see his servants
Roger Taney who the ship was named after pronounced his name Taw nee. There is a town in MD named after the family called Taneytown, pronounced Taw nee town.
My first ship, USS CUSHING DD 985 had a dumbwaiter to move food from the galley to the officers pantry on the 01 level. I don’t know if the Burkes have one, iirc, the wardroom is on the 02 level.
I would expect to find interlocks on the dumbwaiter shaft doors, so that a door can only be opened when the dumbwaiter is stopped by that door; interlocks are certainly fitted to early 1950s lifts on land. Was the interlock defeated so we could see the drive chain? I've seen springs at the bottom of the shafts for those same early 1950s lifts; they are not just fitted to naval dumbwaiters.
The more I watch from this channel, the more I realize just how worn out and tired this old girl is. Reactivating her might be possible, but I'm thinking it's probably a good idea to just let her retire in peace now. Let the younger ships do their share of work. Perhaps one day, with newer technology, we might end up building something akin to a battleship again, if we need to accommodate for new weapons like large calibre naval railguns, laser CIWS, and other forms of directed energy weapons. At that point in time, it probably would be best to just build a new ship from the ground up that is designed around those weapon systems, as well as crew quarters that are better designed for the modern navy. There's a decent chance of a dumbwaiter being a part of that ship, since you'll still need to move food around.
I can't imagine any future weapon systems that would require a battleship sized hull. Everything about future weapons is about precision and stealth. You don't need a bigger boom, if you have a weapon that can strike a critical component, securing, at the minimum, a mission kill, and you don't need to fire vast volleys of them, if their stealth systems ensure that they get through reliably.
@@franzfanz I can, and they're called aircraft carriers. Which have some of the same problems as the battleships, ie needing a large fleet to help them survive. I think there are also assumptions about future weapons that are currently being tested. We assumed precision and stealth, yet Ukraine is showing firepower wins. Ukraine's firing over 6,000 rounds of artillery a day, Russia is firing more. Much of the Russian held territory is inside an Iowa's gun range. Air power isn't really a thing because there's a lot of air defence. So I think it's which is more useful in a situation like Ukraine, aircraft, artillery, or ideally both. Then it comes down to cost per kg of ordnance delivered downrange, and battleships can do that bigger, louder and faster. So I think it then comes down to concentration of risk. Take a battleship sized hull and you can fit a lot of air defence and long range weapons on it. Or try to defend it with specialised air defence destroyers and ASW frigates. But you need a big hull to fit lots of big guns. Alternatively, whether we'll end up converting aircraft carriers into drone carriers.
hey ryan. what other kind of marked m1 helmets to you have on board other than repair crew helmets and what do the markings mean? ive seen navy helmets in a wide variety of colors including yellow, lime green, red, white, light blue, dark blue, blue and red, possibly black, (not 100% sure its usn), and, of course about 50 shades of grey lol (well, at least 10-120. other than repair crew helmets, there doesnt seem to be any rhyme or reason or consistency to usn markings. also do you have any "navy greys" uniforms and did aviators wear them or did they stick to aviator greens?
Sounds simple, but tracing ~50 year old control wiring with all the interlocks and controls on each level wouldn't have been very fun. Who knows, maybe they tried but it needed parts replaced that just weren't available any more.
@@phillxor I suppose. When I was a sailor we just "made it work" and documented it. I once fixed a radar with a piece of hamburger foil because the supply system didn't have any coaxial splices at the time. Just speaking from experience on how I know how sailors are.
No president invented the dumb waiter-according to google: The mechanical dumbwaiter was invented by George W. Cannon, a New York City inventor. He first filed for the patent of a brake system (US Patent no. 260776) that could be used for a dumbwaiter on January 6, 1883.
And dumbeaiters themselves date back to ancient Greece, so I doubt that a President invented the dumbwaiter. Unless it was Lincoln with Bill and Ted when they went back to meet up with 'So-Crates'?
George Cannon did not invent the dumbwaiter. It was invented thousands of years before. He was the first person to patent it. The one at Monticello was copied from ones in French mansions
Walking from the dumb waiter trunk to the galley area, you pass a piece of equipment that doesn't look like it belongs in a kitchen. (At about time 2:05). What is it? Thanks!
Any insight to why The Navy shows to swap out the ladder and remove the light locker versus fixing the dumbwaiter? Did they think it was not an easy repair or would it have required some major surgery to the superstructure? Any insight on that would also be useful if the museum decides to try to repair it because swapping the motor is obviously easier than replacing a damaged rail for example
Has there ever been any intetest from the volunteers in getting the dumbwaiter working again? (I know that the money to fix it would be better spent elsewhere.)
@@ghost307 Not bicycle chain, but industrial roller chain. Hard to tell, but either 5/8, or 3/4 pitch. It's probably the original chain. It would be interesting to look at the side plates to see who made it.
It was broken while the ship was in service so it is in the condition that it was in our period of interpretation. So, no, we will not be restoring it.
Just guessing but it more than likely would be because of the OEM controls might of been either in short supply and better used elsewhere or had been so cannibalized by the 80's that a complete rebuild was in order. It couldn't just be because of a reversing motor had gone bad that is for sure.
Generally most sailors on the Iowa class had "pipe racks" and multiple tier "bunk beds". Ryan shows the racks in the Mess and a couple of other spaces in different videos. Can't remember where he covered enlisted crew accomodations...
@@bobroberts2371 It's a Munters Cargocaire Desiccant Wheel Dehumidifier Model DEW-600. They are too big to fit thru the armored hatches in 2nd deck, so they use 4-5" diameter flex hose to draw ambient humid air from below decks. This air is flowed across a rotating desiccant wheel to absorb the moisture. On the other side of the rotating desiccant wheel, exterior air is drawn in thru flex hose, heated, and then blown across the desiccant wheel to heat it up so it will release the moisture its absorbed. This moist air is ducted to the exterior of the ship and released into the atmosphere. It's a more efficient method of dehumidification that a refrigeration-based system akin to air conditioning. There are at least five of these around the ship that I know of. They are big and weigh over 400 lbs apiece, and the curatorial staff seems to want to keep them on the ship rather than have the maintenance staff or the volunteers disassemble and dispose of them. The DEW-600 versions aboard New Jersey are dated 1990, but here's a link to the product data sheet for the current editions: webdh.munters.com/webdh/BrochureUploads/Product%20Guide-%20DEW-600.pdf
Motors are easy to fix. So are chains and such. However, those old Cutler-Hammer contactors haven't been available for decades, nor the parts. So it's probably a burnt-out contactor coil, or burnt contacts, or even just burnt heaters (overload breakers, basically) that are simply unobtainable.
It's not a bicycle chain. It's a roller chain (the same type used on bicycles, but not the same size). Roller chains are used in many industrial applications, including harvesting equipment and grain elevators. They come in several sizes, and that one is well suited to the job it was meant to do.
@@kmoecub We have roller chains in the mast on our drill rigs to pull the drilling head up and down the mast, along with a hydraulic ram. Multi-link roller chains can take alot of force.
You have to keep the enlisted from fraternizing with the officers; that breeds familiarity. Soon they're calling you "Ryan" instead of "Sir". Next, they don't follow orders, and finally mutiny. The people rise up, and it's the French Revolution all over again. You don't want that, do you?
