Moza KS vs Moza ES: Is The Upgrade Worth It?

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Moza KS vs Moza ES? Both of these steering wheels are delivering fantastic value, but which is the best option for you?
00:00 Driving with the ES Wheel
11:41 Which would I pick?
12:02 Moza R5 users pay attention here!
12:30 Driving with the KS Wheel
15:39 Final comparison
What do you think of this video style? I tried to do this video without so many cuts as a more authentic user experience, so I left in all the ums, repeats, pauses etc! Let me know if you prefer this more casual longer video, or do you prefer I just get to the point with a structured overview!
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16 июл 2024

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@roderickkennedy2192 2 месяца назад

cracking explanation's on the difference's between the wheels, button feel, feedback etc, as a recent r5 bundle user i am really interested in the foibles involved, thank you for the clear and concise way you explain this stuff to an old newbie.

@MichaelSmithRaces 2 месяца назад

@roderickkennedy2192 glad it was helpful!

@johnbaillargeon7037 2 месяца назад

Great review. I want to save up and get the ks wheel think it will work well with my moza r9.

@MichaelSmithRaces 2 месяца назад

@johnbaillargeon7037 yes it will be great with the R9! Watch my previous KS review video is you havnt seen it! Thanks for watching and commenting!

@JoeyBagZ 2 месяца назад

Great video. Very enjoyable. I have to say I really do like my KS wheel you should try the formula mod for the ES wheel. That mod has made that ES so good, especially the FFB. It’s a cheap upgrade (about $40) they also make a larger round wheel upgrade for the ES wheel also.

@MichaelSmithRaces 2 месяца назад

@JoeyBagZ would you agree that on the R5 better to have the ES with formula mod to maximise FFB rather than KS? I did get used to the KS over time, but I think because I was switching between the wheels like that it made it so noticable...

@JoeyBagZ 2 месяца назад

@@MichaelSmithRaces yes the ES wheel with the formula mod does maximize felt FFB. I even used it on my 6nm PXN wheel base and the FFB was nice and strong, but as soon as I attach my heavier and slightly wider custom wheel I can feel the diminished FFB. Same when I use my custom wheel on my moza R5, it’s the same feeling. I would be very happy if moza redesigned the ES button box and added a RJ port to it like the KS wheel so it could be used on other wheel bases, it’s a very comfortable size and weight. Because of that it really does maximize the felt FFb of a wheel base.

@Corndog1 2 месяца назад

Great video! have you tried the ES Formula Wheel Mod? I was eyeing it as a potential GT style wheel thats even cheaper.

@MichaelSmithRaces 2 месяца назад

@Corndog1 I might have to, for science!

@kylemillsy 13 дней назад

Great review and comparison! I currently have the R5 bundle with the ES wheel and am considering the KS as my next upgrade. The rotary dials, magnetic shifters, better shift lights, and GT shape are very appealing to me. Is the change in FFB really *that* noticeable? The ES and R5 5.5 NM FFB is enough to rattle my desk and everything on it, which disturbs my housemates. I’m curious if the more dampened effect of the KS due to its size would help reduce this. Also, how much nicer are the buttons and materials on the KS? It’s definitely an upgrade I’d like to make, but I just want to make sure I can justify it for myself :)

@MichaelSmithRaces 5 дней назад

@kylemillsy yes your use case is a very good one. If you are racing on a desk then getting a more powerful wheelbase wont help you at all, you will feel its a bit weaker, but you get used to it. The quality difference is very significant. Its feels great next to the ES. You wont regret it, but I warn you that you will then be considering getting off your desk and getting a rid so you can get an R12 :D

@tver 2 месяца назад

That’s an interesting comparison. Will you be selling the R5 + ES (+SRP Lites) once you receive your new wheelbase? What would be your advice for those wanting to dip into simracing a bit more seriously after having used a T150/TMX/G27~923? For example, get: 1) a rig or wheelstand 2) proper loadcell pedals 3) a wheelbase between 9 ~ 12 Nm Would that advice differ for a casual user (1~3 hours a week) vs a more invested user ( >5 hrs a week)?

@MichaelSmithRaces 2 месяца назад

@tver thats an interesting question, and I happened to get a very similar question from my friend yesterday who also uses a logitech G29... sounds like a video idea :) Finding a space to race is the key factor and as you say amount of time available is so important. I think if its just casual an occasional few hours then stick with a wheelstand at a desk that you can stick in the cupboard, otherwise, I would suggest what I did: Find a dedicated space, get a solid rig Get the best loadcell pedals you can after that its personal preference, but that will make such a big difference to your driving. Regards to wheelbase I would go alpha mini (10nm) / R12 minimum if you are coming from an existing wheel, but then you will probably start thinking what ifs you went 15 or 20! But wheelbase was the last thing I upgraded, will let you know down the line if it makes me any faster :)

@andysonofbob2599 2 месяца назад

Yeah. I upgraded my wheel base. R5 to R12. I have both RS and KS too. I went for the round wheel mod for the RS. I have to set two profiles, one for each wheel so I can swap the wheels on the fly. With Alien Mods load cell mod the SRP-Lite (received yesterday and installed today) and SHHs shifter I feel like I have everything I need. Question: what does ES and KS even stand for?

@tver 2 месяца назад

ES | Entry level Steering wheel KS | K-shaped Steering wheel These are just guesses. ;)

@MichaelSmithRaces 2 месяца назад

@andysonofbob2599 Its a great setup! @tver might be right on the names, ill ask when I speak to Moza next!

@LoserTry Месяц назад

r9 or r12? whats the best

@andysonofbob2599 Месяц назад

@@LoserTry I have never tried R9 but I'm pretty sure they're similar apart from R12 having more torque.

@maxsports9548 2 месяца назад

Top de mais uma dia compro um se Deus quiser

@MichaelSmithRaces 2 месяца назад

Qual é a sua configuração atual? @maxsports9548

@maxsports9548 2 месяца назад

@@MichaelSmithRaces eu tenho um G29 da Logitech

@MichaelSmithRaces 2 месяца назад

@maxsports9548 você é muito rápido no Logitech G29!

@lordeross4870 2 месяца назад

I think the word you're looking for about the buttons on the es wheel is "mushy" 🤣

@MichaelSmithRaces 2 месяца назад

@lordeross4870 yeah thats a good one, need to work on my vocabulary! :)

@albey1816 2 месяца назад

Not everyone wants more force feedback. Many people are satisfied with the Logitech G29 at only 2.2 nm ( The Moza R5 DD @ 5.5 nm is a noticeable upgrade and fine for most novice and intermediate sim racers )

@MichaelSmithRaces 2 месяца назад

@albey1816 yep exactly, if you dont feel like the torque is a problem then they are both great wheels. Just depends how much you want to spend at that point for the features!

@lordeross4870 2 месяца назад

Recently got into sim racing so in turn watching more european content, slowly learning the metric system lol.

@MichaelSmithRaces 2 месяца назад

@lordeross4870 welcome to the sim racing community! I make videos just to document my own journey in learning about all of this stuff! Its such a fun hobby!

@reviewforthetube6485 2 месяца назад

Imo round wheels do not work with the torque calculations. It has more material due to it. Usually grip to grip is calculated with similar wheels. When making it a round wheel the wheel imo feels weaker not strong. Due to the extra material and the wheel being so much more overall. Round wheels imo feel weaker and allow for me to turn the bade easier then gt style or f1 wheels do even if it's the same diameter from grip end to grip end. You throw those calculations out thw windows when comparing round vs not round. Also weight matters to. That could be maybe the difference you feel.

@MichaelSmithRaces 2 месяца назад

@reviewforthetube6485 I guarantee that the ES feels stronger in the hand than the KS when used on the R5. Its very noticeable. I agree with you that calculation is not the whole story as the wheels are different. Interestingly the ES weighs 300 grams more than the KS, which you would think would counteract the extra width. I cut a section of the video on that because it was getting very boring. Ultimately I’m not trying to claim I’m a physics genius or a mathematician, but just trying to explain it feels significantly weaker using the KS with the R5, and it is not the perfect combo, for me, because of that. Others might be fine with it.

@brentonedwards 2 месяца назад

Completely different wheels

@MichaelSmithRaces 2 месяца назад

@brentonedwards yep that is why this is a separate video / part 2 to my previous KS review video as I agree different use case and price segment. But lots of people like me are in a position of owning an ES on an R5, so thats why I am sharing my thoughts on the upgrade.