Song mode is still there, in fact its the best thing to use to stitch sequences together so you can have mutliple sequences show up in the Arranger - that's why tracks and programs have been integrated, so the convert to sequence function works correctly. Previously it wouldn't if the track to program assignments were inconsistent between sequences.
They need to change that track mute to how it’s always been. Everyone is complaining about it. No wants to get rid of the traditional function of track mute lol
@@ArtyoneT Well, they degraded the song mode... You can't anymore mute a track independently and separately for each en every sequence! Now when you mute a track, that track will be muted on ALL the sequences at once. I want every sequence to have its own independent mute! Thus, the MPC's best feature has been destroyed. I will not upgrade to 3.0 because of this. Unless they correct this... bug?
That’s nice that the song mode is still available. So you could pre arrange in song mode (with sequences) & fine tune in the new arranger after exporting into a full song sequence.
That the one thing I see with this plus saves alot of work of having take it to another software with linear arrangement like ableton to touch it up i feel like i may still use it for mixing and mastering reasons...unless i can do that within my MPC
@@TBearTheDJ They degraded the song mode though... You can't anymore mute a track independently and separately for each en every sequence! Now when you mute a track, that track will be muted on ALL the sequences at once. I want every sequence to have its own independent mute! Thus, the MPC's best feature has been destroyed. I will not upgrade to 3.0 because of this. Unless they correct this... bug? Why not keep both functions? The new arranger mode AND the fully functional mutes in song mode. Then every one will be happy. It's dead easy to correct this.
Not a problem for me. I have been recording full songs as single sequences since 1991. Because back then using the MPC60, if you had a sequence with a bunch of sounds right in the start of the sequence, when song mode switched between sequences, there would be a noticeable delay that would throw everything out of time. So ever since then, I've been doing full songs in a single sequence. Either by copying, muting or deleting parts.
If done correctly the sequences on song mode work correctly without any gaps or delays. I think the timing on your sequences was off for this to happen. The metronome during recording and playback are there for a reason and should alleviate this from happening. Learning song mode in the long run saves you a TON of time and headaches, it is flexible enough to tweak an entire composition/arrangement literally on the fly.
@@hardkore360 I used to have a few loops stacked, which the 60 wasn't designed for. It was probably those that threw off the timing. On the current MPCs, if you use song mode and convert to sequence, the sequence uses mutes. Which you add to a sequence manually. And also, if you want to add a drum fill on a specific bar, like bar 32, you just add it there.. No need to figure out what sequence you need to add it to from song mode, etc. Plus, with each sequence being its own song, everything is much tidier. You could set up a song as a playlist for a live set.
Song mode is actually faster than linear editing. Daws can't really do it well because they don't have the hardware controllers built for it. There should be a toggle to turn off linear editing. Song mode is the one feature that honestly set mpc apart. Maybe I need to get back on the jjos bus and get an older mpc again?
I need the SONG mode. The only reason I have an MPC is because I can mute tracks individually and independently on each sequence separately! Just like I did on the old Alesis MMT-8. Song mode is THE feature that makes MPC worthwhile! I will clearly NOT update to 3.0. I definitely don't want the MPC to become like those boring linear software DAWS. Akai MUST bring back the pure song-mode feature. It's vital. Yes, it's vital !!
EXACTLY Well said i bet you speak for many, think its a simple event mute feature they probably did not finish because they may have wanted to showcase the new DAW style arrangement but if i wanted a DAW i would use Studio One before MPC anyway unless the software version 3.0 gets close the the power of studio one then i would stay totally on the MPC
Maybe the problem is because the 3.0 version is not the final version... it's in BETA... I don't see why AKAI couldn't keep both the new Arranger mode AND the good old Song Mode with individually and independently mutable tacks per sequence? Akai just can't make such a disastrous mistake. Both arranger and song mode must be able to live together in MPC.
100% agree, Instead of trying to make the MPC into a linear DAW in a box why not keep the best workflow advantage it has over nearly every other sequencer. Let's say I have an intro, pre chorus, chorus, two verses, a bridge, and an outro. About 80% of the elements will overlap at some point. Muting is so much easier in song mode than erasing notes and trying to remember where each element is. The small screen isn't the same environment as a 21" monitor with a software daw for linear editing. Hell, I use the same system without a screen an all on an MC-101 with sequences and clips. It's just easier to me. Obviously, other opinions exist and may prevail.
Yeah, I'll stay on 2.15 Song mode was my workflow superpower. I used it like Blocks in Reason. So easy to create the main stack and then pull elements out in the sequences. i don't need a giant screen full of visual noise like the other linear daws. It's the same reason I love my Fantom 7 EX and the Korg Kronos gathers dust.
First of all what an amazing video you always have the best videos to show how to do new updates so thank you so much 👑 That whole not being able to mute tracks is a huge downfall. Who wants to go through and do all that extra work makes the work flow even more slow than it already was. What's the point in making all of this different if it just does the same thing as it did before? That seems like a pointless update honestly I don't see that much of a better workflow doing it this way cuz now you got to relearn everything and it don't really give you anything extra it's just a relearn of how to do the same thing you already knew how to do in the first place and with a step down by having to go in and erase things off a different sequences. I think I'll shall pass on this version unless they really make it worth doing because it's not worth the hassle as of now.
Don't forget, you are dealing with a BETA version of software. Input will be collected and tweeks will be made so the mute issue might be addressed in the released version. Dont panic folks! Be prepared to wait as the tweeks are made!
This is how I used song mode anyway, sometimes I'd have a problem with tracks staying muted in old versions. Another thing you can do is put the velocities all the way down, this saves the midi events in case you change your mind later.
I understand the reason being for linear arrangement but don’t remove what worked for users who produced since the first new Mpc additions. They should’ve just removed Sequences because that’s what made MPC unique along with sampling! I think users want a new gui, bug fixes and more innovative features. Me personally producing in a what gonna feel like logic might get boring! I could just use logic lol.
This seems like a bug in beta build to me. What happens when people load their songs from mpc 2.x then? They are just all messed up? Seems like a bug to me.
Just to lightly push back on the “no one produces in Protools” statement. Track 5 on Akon’s Konvicted album called “The Rain” I produced completely in Protools. (Planning on doing more as sonically it’s definitely pleasing to the ear) I come from the Mpc 3000 days of production so, we made the sequences for the song and then linked them into one long sequence. Then we’d go down the song and add fills and transitions so that the flow was seamless and gave it continuity very few FL studio users display. This update is major aesthetically as the UI one of the last steps. When they allow the wifi to allow you to create an mp3 or wave and airdrop or email it to an external device it’d be dope.
Oddisee produces in ProTools too. People with an old mindset don’t realize ProTools isn’t just for mixing and recording vocals anymore. Daws these days are just plugin host. Most people are using 3rd party plugin and samples that can be used in any daw. 🤷🏾♂️ Times have changed.
I think this is crazy. Why in the hell would you remove song mode from an MPC? They are making this out to be a midi grid drawing program. I'm starting to think I want my damn money back. If all they are going to do is make it for guys that don't do actual music than the hell with this. I'll go over to Native or just use logic. You can't isolate the customers that took you to the party.
I don't think he means "nobody" in a literal sense. It's like when people say stuff like, "I'm going to this party, everybody's gonna be there" when obviously it's not possible for every single person to be in one place at one time. Years ago, I produced exclusively in Pro Tools, but I get what he meant because not a lot of people do.
I guess I’m not updating lol. The way I create may be unorthodox (or not, idk 🤷🏻♂️) but I like creating everything in one sequence and then duplicating that same 4-8 bar loop multiple times until i have a couple minutes worth of beat and then in that same sequence, recording my track mutes throughout the whole beat to create the intro, verse, bridge, chorus and outro.
Well.... they seriously degraded the song mode though... You can't anymore mute a track independently and separately for each en every sequence! Now when you mute a track, that track will be muted on ALL the sequences at once. I want every sequence to have its own independent mute! Thus, the MPC's best feature has been destroyed. I will not upgrade to 3.0 because of this. Unless they correct this... bug? Why not keep both functions? The new arranger mode AND the fully functional mutes in song mode. Then every one will be happy. It's dead easy to correct this.
It would be Sad if they don't leave song mode as it was and instead improve on it , it may be nice if they put song mode linear across the screen like in the desktop mpc 2 and add the ability to open new tracks in the song mode and add the ability double click the individual sequences and have it take you back to the particular sequence or section of the arrangement page if need be, basically improve song mode by giving us the ability to make a song the song mode way and add audio etc tracks in that mode
It’s basically BeatMaker 3 for Akai MPC. We edit sequences like that on BM3 by just copying sequences and cutting out the parts. To me this is a hardware version of that. All they need now is the ability to install 3rd party instruments (VST/AU/ AUV3 ) … now that would kill every other workstation out there for the next 30 Summers! Lol
But it's still there. I don't get it. ITS STILL THERE. The only thing that changed is literally GUI for sequence. Eagle view of your sequence and content of the tracks. Convergence of midi and audio is much welcomed for Mr, but process should be literally the same. So sequence with everything, do a copy with some tracks muted, do another copy with different set of tracks muted, put them together into song, listen, refine.
Good Catch on that.. 👍🏼 - I wish they would just hurry up and drop the Beta’ for us common Folk! This is torture watching all these videos! I’m ready to tackle this! 😑 ..next couple weeks? Man
one to one tracks was needed, MPC 2 almost made producing on the mpc like doing life saving surgery on someone... you had to always remember too many things to get song mode to work correctly... for example, creating a beat in seq 1, copy that seq to seq 2 and now you forgot to add a crash, add another track and so on, now you just screwed up song mode playback as the tracks from each seq is not matching up (all tracks most match on each seq) to convert it... This was well overdue and I am almost salty that I had to get used to working that way to finish beats but MPC 3.0 one to one tracks is a life saver and will actually make working on the machine more fun because the backend stuff just works (like DAW's)... so I would not mind if they kill away song mode, anyone who want or need that should stay on MPC 2....
It's the song mode concept that makes me want to learn it. To me, it is like the idea that time is irrelevant and everything is happening at once. The music can be created and tweeked in a more object-oriented way.
That’s where the Force shines. Where you can copy the sequence or clip and then manipulate the new cell or clip. Which comes up with another question. What happen to clip mode ???
Thanks for explaining this. So looks like the “mute” now mutes the whole track on a project level, instead of just on the sequence level, which I suppose makes sense in the new MPC 3 “architecture”. One big advantage of the MPC 3 setup is that you can develop your intro/verse/chorus/bridge as separate sequences and then copy them altogether into a full “arrangement sequence” (or a few versions, to try out alternative arrangements) to fine tune that in the new arranger screen (adding rises, tweaking a few drum parts etc.). Sounds great!
That seems like no problem to me. It makes sense that it works this way because the track mute is based on the mixer now (if I’m understanding the new 3.0 right). Song mode is similar enough.
Bolo .. I started off on MPC 2000 back in the day.. The Sequence/ Copy / Jumping over to Song Mode .. programming the at each part .. is what Made the Akai unit Super Simple to get Music done… What they need to work on .. When in sample edit ..(Page). A quick Time Stretch.. Example if got sample that 3bars . An instant tool to highlight a drag the sample to the an even 4 bars.. Not the percentage function 😣 10:14
Being able to mute tracks in individual sequences, and chain those sequences together and the mutes for each sequence be remembered was extremely powerful. It made completing a song fast. For those that used that function, to remove it is like a downgrade not upgrade. The mpc Daw/production gear is a different standard, I think they are moving to the normal standard and without proprietary functions it loses its uniqueness. Think about it, every single DAW does what you just explained. Linear is great as an addition to fine tune things, such as transitions etc, not for the meat and potatoes. Think if you have 9 tracks you have to do that at different times at specific points linearly lol.
Wow I just got a mpc live 2 and barely know how to use it I guess I half to watch your videos to learn the new firmware 3.0 now lmao😅 can't wait to cheek out your videos on how to use the new face of the mpc
Love that analog case for the mpc live 2. Sometimes after I finish a beat I press play and close the mpc in the case and listen to that bass thump haha 😆
I don’t mind learning and adjusting to a new workflow. I used FL Studio since like version 5 and used nothing else for YEARS. Bought my MPC Live 2 back in 2020/2021 and honestly had fun learning that workflow, haven’t used FL since. I don’t mind change or learning new workflows even if I did get used to sequences and track mutes. I only ever used them just to test things out. I would always do what Bolo did here and just manually remove things anyways in the end lol
After putting all the sequences in song mode, can you then convert those sequences into one main sequence and load that song structure into the arranger, if that makes sense?
Will probably be my workflow when working with samples. Have different chops and bass on different sequences, then structure it in song mode, then arrange the whole beat in the arranger. Excited for this update for sure🙏🏼
The old MPC way reminds me of the old Maschine software before it got updated. I switched to Ableton a few years ago and it's a million times better. I don't own a MPC but this update makes me think about getting one. I see people here commenting they like the song mode, well once you try this new software you will LOVE linear mode. Just need to get used to it.
Track mute per sequence allows easy testing of parts that sound best for building a song. Deleting stuff as in this video is really a backwards step and takes way longer. Unless we've missed something, this is a backward step IMHO.
"Used to been doing it" Represent where ya from Bolo 😂😂😂 Song mode is what made the MPC so special. Being able to change things in one sequence without it affecting another was good for building a song fast as well as organization. I'm gonna keep it old school.
I believe the reason they got out of the mute business it's because pesky mute issues that continously pop up (e.g. when you make a song and have mutes it mutes tracks you don't want muted or when you have automations, they do not show up,etc.). So, they had to force users not to use mutes in song mode.
@@chadpescod-realtor3308 it happens to everyone. The same thing applies to automation done on the sequence. If you use Song mode, the automation may not show up. Akai has no reason for this and no solution, so I believe this is a way for them to start with a clean slate.
Thanks Bolo! I wonder what’s making them keep sequence and song mode? My guess is OG users. To me, that’s fine, however, if they are going to do that, they should keep it the same. If not, it’s defeats the purpose. Either way, I’m excited!
This is why I use it as vst inside FL 21 & just record certain stops & effects & let FL control the 808 & let mpc software control the samples since I always borderline hated the fpc plugin
The reason I left Ableton Live and Maschine was because neither of them had a real song mode like the MPC had, where I could string together separate sequences. This is what brought me back to the MPC world and got an X. Now they are messing with the one thing that has kept me in the MPC world.
3:41 when you copy a sequence and paste it it should be a separate sequence copy. for example SEQ 01.01 copy is SEQ 01.02 then you just mute the kick in whatever sequence you want Or just put all your kicks on one track
So Bolo, if you have a Song mapped out, with mutes, and convert it to a Sequence in 2.0… then load it up in 3.0 are those mutes in that new MAIN SEQUENCE still going to be there baked in? If you don’t understand what Im saying hit me back and I will try to clarify.
They need to bring The Classic MPC Style Song Mode back A$AP!!! Desk Top Users did Linear in Sequence Mode by Doubling Length several times ect. anyways... Sorry but, I'm sticking with MPC 2 for a minute or two...😜😂😜
Luckily this is just demo version. I think MPC purposely did that so they can see what works and what doesn’t, versus just slapping MPC 3 on the table for everyone then we find out later on we dislike it.
I think both options should be available. Might not be a bug since actually removing notes is the proper and formal way to track out you composition. Having both options available would be nice.
From what I remember when I used to use the 2000/xl years back I never did track mutes for this. I think I always made a copy of the sequence and then delete the track I didn’t want on the sequence. I’m sure I did that ?? lol. Such a long time ago. If I can do the same thing the I doubt it will bother me too much. I suppose it comes down to the way you try out ideas. I’m more likely to copy the sequence and try out ideas that way than mute on and off. Even when using a Daw in arrange mode I prefer to select the section than mute it. Just looks less messy.
Never will I update!!! Track mute is a must! I sometimes just sit and play a track for hours muting and unmuting rearranging without all of the extra. I can always export to a daw and work in a linear format after my ideas are finished. Like you said though, it is beta, so hopefully they hear us.
Or you could just do it lika Andy Mac did it in the Overview video... Just copy the 4 bars and make it twice as long (or longer) and then in the arranger window just mute the bassdrum track of the second part (bars 5 to 8) that you just created. Or use some of the new Q-link Macros and control the volume of the track ... Or use the new XYPad to control the volume ...
I have a question regarding finger drumming, there is a world championship competition in Berlin and also in Japan, and I wonder why most people use Akai MPC Live 2 and not Native Instruments Maschine or another brand. What are the advantages of MPC in finger drumming?
The only sequencer I use is the standalone MPC. Nothing else. The song mode is by far the best MPC feature. Akai just have to bring it back in 3.0. In the meantime I will definitely not upgrade to 3.0.
I still drive audio through X not PC for better quality. Actually the last beat on my channel was exported by PC audio. Volume is wayyy down. Always go to software settings and change to ASIO Akai.
I have Ableton Live but I still haven’t learned it yet. I keep defaulting to the MPC software only for making beats. So I’m just seeing who else just uses it. Heck, with all these features I’m wondering if any known producers just use as well.
This is some Bullsh&t. I think this is absolutely crazy. The MPC was made to do songs. How the hell are they making it an Ableton Box? Song mode has to be in the thing. That's like removing sampling from it.
I hope they consider to include it again cause i m from maschine (native )that has a song mode and i m considering to buy an mpc live 2 but at this point i ll kepp my maschine mk3 if akai will not upgrade again this function :/
For me as a Techno musician was the Songmode the kind of piece of shit. I love the MPC and I always wished an linear arranger. I am so hyped for this update
I ve watched few videos about this New MPC 3 workflow… i think i will not update my mpc … there alteady is an arranger : yes , songmode 😊 and it s great !
Bro that is so whack. I hope they change it back that’s one of the main reasons I chose the mpc after years of native instruments MK3. That mute feature was something special.
8:14 can we please get the option when using the eraser to drag a selection box, and once I take my finger off the touch screen it automatically deletes the selected midi notes. Come on Akai, having to hit shift delete slows the workflow
How does this compare to the Maschine way of doing things. I see some similarity's and also it show's just how far ahead Native was. Will you be doing a comparison between the two. I sign up for the MPC Beta, I'm really looking forward to this. Have a great day Brother!😎
Man, I'm tired of mpc releasing shit without releasing it. Watching everyone on the net test it out stems was coming soon forever. Then it comes out like, "Oh wow, is that it??! Release the shit already Dayum!!
Just a thought but as sequences remember volume settings for a track cant you just pull the volume down for that track if you want to mute it in a sequence? Or does it not recall like that in 3.0
I am so confused....... I never understood what sequences, Keygroups or for the fact Programs on my MPCX , and that's why I got rid of the thing..!!! I have an AKAI Force now and the GUI is slick and amazing, easy to understand, and uses terminology I understand... I was hoping this would be similar but I fear its not..
