so, the guy whose job it is to be non judgemental and calm, spends the entire time being judgemental and using emotive language. Jumped to so many false conclusions, its surprising that he didn't slip and break his neck.
Yeah, and he kept asking loaded questions rather than acknowledging the underlying problems that set the guy off and offering other strategies to handle or avoid such situations.
He's an educated, moderately attractive, young ( white ) guy surrounded by patients who've run afoul of the law. It would be more shocking if he didn't look down his nose at them. Everything about him is predisposed to a superiority complex that colors his interactions with them.
Sadly I've run into a lot of "professionals" who act, look and sound just like this joker. Being "supportive and nonjudgemental" while the whole time they speak down to you, act superior and show what a "bad" person you are, according to their textbook knowledge of the world.
I only started it the other day and I'm on S3 now... it's such a good show, completely unpretentious and really entertaining. Not in the same class as Barry, but very good and well worth the time.
I was somewhat like ray as a child. I attacked everybody who showed disrespect or who was a bully. As I got older the consequences got worse and I stopped. Almost everybody has their own level of consequences that make them change their ways. Then there are those few like Ray that any severity of consequence will never change them
He's not wrong at all. A lot of people wouldn't say or do the things they've said or done if they were afraid of facing consequences. This is why things have gotten as crazy as they have, our society is trying to remove consequences from the equation.
One of the consequences is potentially losing valuable time with his young daughter, which can be damaging for him, her and their relationship. I'd say the solution would be to strive towards making a good example out of people than bad one. For example, to try and get them to apologize, buy her another ice-cream etc. . Anything that can promote win-win outcomes for both sides of the conflict. Problem with that solution is that in reality some people will simply not settle for that kind of agreement, and when they stumble upon someone who chooses to not tolerate their intolerance, only the bigger bully is judged as bully, while they are perceived as the victim.
True, unless it's a legal consequence... then the hammer slams down with permanent damage to their lives. Could be avoided with some societal consequences first.
maybe, but why would you wanna live in a society where the fear of physical punishment was around the corner for percieved (or real) slights and disrespects? do you want your children to grow up in a society where using their fists is the primary device for engaging and motivating other people? how about your mother, would you want her to get bashed when walking down the street because of someone got an idea that she's been disrespectful in some way?
@@HarrDarr Peoples subjective view of what is disrespectful varies, I totally agree. That being said, it is obvious when someone is abusing that way of physical punishment. I mean it happens everyday in real life that people just assault others for no rightful reason anyway. You can't control what other people will do. Doesn't matter if it's socially acceptable or not. There used to be a time where perpetrators weren't protected by law to a degree they are today. I could give you an anecdote of my parents who lived in a city in their childhood in a country where it used to be the norm to beat people up if they didn't behave properly because if they called the police to bring justice, they just wouldn't care to lift a finger. And by their account a person usually was a dick once and then never after that. That city was pretty safe because people knew, if they fuck around they're gonna find out. So even in your example with the mother, just like in our world if she were to be beat up because someone felt she disrespected her, it could happen either way be it that society accepts physical punishment for disrespecting or not. It clearly depends on the person feeling "disrespected". If he's a dick he'll probably beat her up, if not then that person would likely not feel disrespected in the same situation anyway and do nothing. The physical punishment as a consequence would rather apply to the one who assualted the mother in this case too. Because if it were socially acceptable for the husband or son or daughter to beat up that guy after that guy beat their mother up for no real reason, the world could be a better place with less assholes around who think they can do anything without any actual consequences. In todays world what would happen is you'd file a report to the police. The police might take up the case and you could charge the perpetrator. It might go to court and then in the worst case that guy goes to jail for a bit. After he's done his time "as punishment" he might not have learned the lesson because he wasn't harmed in a way that he felt he shouldn't do anything like that again.
We do have lots of these people but they all become highly criminal and hidden behind stigmatizing media. A norwegian torpedo, ranked as the country's most dangerous mind was also like this when it came to mutual respect and stuff. I like the fact that the way of ray's living of a double life is actually very realistic
Ray is correct, of course. Everyone knows a “Steve” who wasn’t bashed when he deserved to be, so he came to be what he is. That just makes more work for the rest of us when we finally get to bash the “Steve” in our lives. So, yeah…thank you, Ray, on behalf of society.
The problem with this scene that it doesn't take everyone into account. Ray is right. The fact that those two kids shrugged a little girl, purposely, already tells you they have no respect for anyone. They will continue this behavior. The reason why Steve's argument may have some level of legitimacy is he doesn't talk about the damage this does to Ray's daughter in the long run if nothing is done.
@@Sn1zzle Keep in mind Ray isn't just "bashing assholes", he's a criminal. He's done way worse horrible shit, this whole "bashing" bit is just an extension of his violent tendencies. His daughter will definitely get affected in the future, she will either lose him or worse, be directly involved by one of his many enemies.
@@mp-ck4jhiminals can be correct from time to time. There is a legitimate argument to be made that the laws against assault and battery should be suspended in cases of physical education through pain when it comes to rectifying the state of our society that was brought about by generations of cowardice, apathy, and tolerance. Sometimes the laws of nature e.g. "fuck around and find out" should take precedence over the petty laws of man and certain current cowardly morals.
yep. the question isn't "does this behavior improve society?". the question is "does this behavior improve your life, or the lives of the people you care about?" clearly everyone commenting didn't watch the whole show as ray does eventually realize that his reckless lifestyle has done nothing but make him miserable.
Yep. He acts like he’s trying to make society better but his job is to raise his daughter well. That’s the way he makes society better most dramatically
THIS. OBVIOUSLY they were not PARENTED and will keep getting away with everything now in their life until someone like Ray DOES "parent" them; and the hippie liberal pompous bastard will just help them along, as EVERYTHING they do is the fault of society, all while feeling snug and secure in his pompous hippie-liberal bs right until the end. But ultimately, who actually is the only one who did ANYTHING for society? Ray, the Bad Guy.
I'm gonna call th' Ray's on you.... Epic. The 'Ray's' drive around in old beat up cars and trucks with the word "RAY" on the doors. I do believe there would be a lot more folks minding their own business and keeping their hands to themselves.
some people seem to have missed the part of the show where Ray is a violent, sociopathic murderer who enforces the will of criminals who take advantage of vulnerable people and extort or subvert them through blackmail and violence. he isn't helping society, people like him only reinforce unnecessary violence.
People rarely think of themselves as villain, they've always got some sort of internal justification for whatever stuff that they do, no matter how heinous. Like Tony Soprano or (for a real example) that little Austrian with the funny mustache.
Having experienced the "assholes" of society first hand, and having slapped one of them silly for their piss-poor behaviour, I absolutely agree with Ray here. Some blokes really do need a slap to pull their heads in. Just how it is.
Too many people are getting away with being unbelievably obnoxious and despicable online to strangers without any consequences... this is beginning to spill out into actual society. Someone needs to teach them manners the hard way 😂
Not even. Just doing some straight up passive-aggressive bullying. Just straight up told Ray to his face he's a bad father, after interrupting the story he was asked to tell. I'd pull out my phone and start recording, ask the man to repeat himself and allow himself to be held accountable as a gesture of leading by example or I'd walk.
All these people in the comments going on about how we need more people like this guy should bear this in mind: anything *you* do to them, or even near them, could be the next thing they find ‘disrespectful’. You probably think you wouldn’t say something like that, but where guys like this are concerned what you think doesn’t matter. You’ll happily see someone you don’t like knocked s**tless, but you could be next and you never know until it happens. And maybe you think you’re tough enough to take it or even fight back; well, maybe they’ve got a knife or some other kind of weapon. No-one’s tough when a knife gets involved. We all have our own ideas of justice, and we all think our own is the right one, but we’re always one step away from being on the receiving end of somebody else’s justice.
Agreed. In a similar way, it's like a snitch. The snitch, without community approval, rats out their neighbour because the snitch has their own idea of right and wrong with the means to enforce it i.e. the state, regardless of what their peers think. And then that Batman quote about heroes and villains...
I am a pacifist and I don't road-rage but yesterday someone in a brand new, $75K Audi A7 convertible nearly crashed me and another car doing 60 in a 35 and did that maneuver where they deliberately wait 'til the last second to change lanes and comes within inches of your bumpers and side mirror. It scared the hell out of me and was wildly dangerous and for no good reason. Thirty seconds later, at the next traffic light I saw that same car at a gas station. I thought no way, not today. You are not supposed to get away with that every time. I parked next to that incredible luxury car and a woman got out. My inner feminist said she can get it too. I grabbed the squeegee, dunked it in the gross, blackened, bird shit water for windshields and then tomahawk swung it and soaked her face to foot with the shit water. She cussed at me, insulted my economy car, carried on about how I couldn't afford her car and threatened me with her gun. I dunked the squeegee and soaked her again. It was wrong to confront her, I lost my cool yet I don't regret it and it FELT GREAT! Good people will do bad things. Bad people will do the same bad thing repeatedly because they get away with it. She didn't just get away with it that day.
It's always the problem with people like the therapist. They thrive under the security purchased (ultimately) by violence. Then turn about rebuking violence every chance they get. There are many kinds of violence and sometimes it can be instructive (or directive.)
I know it's just a show but he makes a really good point. People are assholes on social media because they can be anonymous so there are zero consequences. It used to be if someone was being stupid or agressive or crazy people around them would go " hey knock that shit off"and they would learn one way or another that it was socially inappropriate. Now online they can sesrchbout other crazy bastards and be a little loudmouth group and trick themselves into believing their behavior is acceptable when the rest of us know it isn't. If they got "bashed" once in a while they'd stop and learn to behave with proper decorum.
I agree with Ray in this case because I've watched the show, and I respect his code and moral compass. If you've watched Mr. Inbetween, you must realize that Ray is exceptional, an outlier, not your everyday hothead thug. I'm fine with Ray being judge, jury, and sentencer. I'm also sure that most people in general do not possess the tools to execute Ray's code with any semblance of virtue or honor. So, it's a quandary. YES A-holes should be pummeled, but who the hell can wield that power justly? If the behavior of our police is any indication, it would seem like applicants for the position are scarce.
I loved this series but the counselors lines in this episode were horrendous. No one's going to act like that in group. He's playing a Karen/libtard/argumentative role but his role in reality is really supposed to be to help people understand the roots of their angers and how to deal with them, not make fun of them for it.
I know someone who worked on the second & final series of this show. She told me that most of the cast & crew were aware that the main problem was with Nash Egerton, his ego and an inability to get along with others. During the final season there were many problems due to this reason & Scott will never work with Nash again.
This is exactly what I felt after attending compulsory anger management counselling. By the by it did not work cos I still only get angry at stupid or hypocrisy
On behalf of society... you should ask more questions... if what he did was unjustified, you should seek to inquire why... if it was justified, you should seek to ask more questions too.
I have to thank Ray. The world is filled with people who mistreat others because they think it's "fun." And because people fear them, or lawsuits, or getting arrested, they just get away with it. It's strange how we all understand nations going to war, or cops shooting someone who presents a clear and present danger but people like this counselor somehow think a guy standing up for his little girl is crossing a line.
The fact that Ray never physically fucks this guy up speaks volumes. Acknowledging the fact that Ray owns him in every debate will put you on a watchlist.
How many of you people in the comments have actually watched the show? Yes, in this scene, which takes place about halfway through the first season, Ray comes off as charismatic and having a point. Because we're meant to be seeing things from season 1 Ray's perspective. The entire onus of the show is exploring how, even when he can rationalize his violent tendencies, the damage they cause to him and the people closest to is real, and isn't worth it. Was the dude he bashed an asshole? Yes. Did he deserve to face consequences for his assholery? Probably. Was it worth Ray repeating the cycle of violence that his life has devolved into, and the way it makes it easy for that anger and violence to leak out around his friends and family? That question is the whole point of the show.
Duh well all I know is I likes the sound of when bones break. Okay now that's out of the way how about you climb down off your soapbox. I hate looking up at someone when they're elevated thinking they have a lock on morality. I bet you were really popular back in highschool. Finally no I didn't watch the show but now I want to for all the wrong reasons...
On the face of it, I can't fault his logic. However, the problem arises when everyone has a different opinion on what constitutes and act of arseholery worthy of a bashing.
Dictatorships are great when you’re the dictator! It’s the ‘meta problem’ with this kind of show: nuanced look at a criminal in his daily life is seen by unsophisticated viewers as some kind of model for society. Which is darkly amusing as their ‘red in tooth and claw’ society won’t have great things in store for them…
I don't think Ray was considering smacking the counsellor, he wasn't disrespectful here, he's just trying to stand his ground against these violent people, who always think they're right. One of them was what, a wife beater?
Love people in comment sections consistently missing the point of the gangster/crime character portrayals that they idolise. This is a great show though btw!
It is quite ironic that they, likely without realizing it, almost certainly engage in the same boorish behaviors that would lead to a Ray delivered beat-down.
Every idiot thinks they’re doing society a favor until their enemy thinks they, themselves are doing society a favor. Every idiot firmly believes that they are the righteous, good guy. The only rubric is the law as it is written.
I just can't do the whole "passive" thing. I can in moments where it merits a softer touch but generally, if I see you victimizing someone else or having a "fuck you" attitude... I'm more than happy to be the guy that steps forward and does what needs to be done. Is this a good trait to have? Mmmm probably not, but neither you or any court in the world will undo years of watching my mom get beat within an inch of her life with nobody to protect her. At 9 years old I became a protector and a fucking adult and I would not trade that experience for anything in the world.
"The civilized man is more discourteous than the savage. A civilized man knows that in a civilized world, he can be rude without the consequence of having his head split". Robert E Howard.
I know this is a movie and hypothetical but it’s 100% correct. When people do stuff and there’s no consequences they keep on doing it, until there are.
People are way less likely to be douches if they know they're are people willing to teach them a little lesson.. personally i haven't had to knock anyone out in years...... but I'm always about 30 seconds away from it
I'm trying to understand the logic that leads a man to think "this guy just told me that he beat a man without any remorse because the man was an asshole. I should probably make a really sarcastic remark. That's the ticket!"
Ray is completly right. All respect is gone from the world now. people just walk around thinking they are gods and can do whatever they want. Heres a good quote. "An armed society is a polite society."
No, he never hits that guy. Really would not be Ray's style. The guy is a little annoying, but he leads a court-ordered talk group. He's not "in the game" of the criminal world, and he's not some rando fucking with him on the street.
Ray makes a compelling argument. The worlds full of people whose parents did a piss poor job raising them. Instead of handing out participation ribbons for just showing up teach children to respect others and themselves.
Its funny but I am not overly bothered by violence or aggression unto itself. I see it as having its place. When weak guys with little self control or understanding on how to deal with other men act out or mess about, then getting some sense knocked into them is not only expected but often necessary. Checking their ego, or aggressive nature and teaching them respect or control or whatever. I have had it done to me and have done it to others. Its just blokes being blokes. When things tee off I do not get nervous, upset or intimidated. I just make sure that kids and ladies are out of harms way and watch to see how they manage themselves. If a mate is involved I will keep an eye on him and be prepared to pull him out if he is over his head and before he cops too much of a drubbing. I generally find it interesting
