Mr. Welch's Mad Musings: Twilight 2000 

Cyberpunk 2020 was the closest to Bladerunner, there was also Cyberspace but CP2020 was the most successful

I’m just watching your Cyberpunk vid. 👍🏻 I missed the board game era as a growing boy but caught up as a young serviceman on many on a boring day. I was Best Man to the mate who introduced me to that game. I’d seen BladeRunner just weeks before so role playing it was epic.

Thanks for prompt reply.

Eventually. Rifts is one of the tougher ones because of the sheer diversity. GURPS is the one I'm truly dreading.

Mega Damage Capacity! Oh the strange weird rules of Rifts.

I totally agree with you. 1st edition has the better story. 2nd edition has the better system.

Bruh, you've played Aftermath. I have the books from my dad. Never gotten a chance to play it.

I followed the same gaming arc. Gamma World, then Aftermath, then saw the original ads for TW2K in Dragon magazine and bought the boxed set the instant it was released. Loved it and played the hell out of it through the end of the 80's. Great gaming memories. Aftermath and TW2K are two of the games Id love to play one more time.

After Gygax was booted from TSR he started his own game company. Williams however didn't let him start over so when GDW published Dark Journeys (previously Dimensions) she sued for copyright violations.

I hate when the court system is used to squash competition. A lot of time it is used not to prove an actual infringement but to drain the opposition of finances. It's easy to do when your a company against a single upstart. You'd think that would be illegal. Thanks for the answer. GDW is a company I know next to nothing about.

It was a little more complicated than that. Gygax's game (DJ) was supposed to be a generic game system with different settings for multiple genres, and from what I heard from 3rd parties his departure agreement from TSR had some fantasy non-compete elements. However, either through SNAFUs (part of the lawsuit - TSR claimed it was deliberate, from what I heard), only the fantasy side of the "multi-genre" system got published, with no SF, hero, modern, horror, etc. material to be seen, and TSR's lawyers jumped on it as being a sign that the "multi-genre" bit was a sham, so that GDW could get around EGG's Fantasy restrictions a few years early. Someone I talked to connected to GDW said that they'd gotten close to final edits on some of the other genre stuff, just in time for the lawsuit to cause even more delays that prevented it ever seeing the light. Either way, TSR under Williams was known for being uber-litigious. In some ways, it seemed to be that they were looking for petty lawsuits where they could take others' intellectual property without paying for it, in order to cut corners (lawyers already being paid for whether they were doing anything or not, any assets they could bring in without paying development costs would offset some of the massive debt she was running up). One of the more interesting stories I've heard under the table, but never actually heard real evidence for, was that TSR had planned to do something similar to WotC just prior to MtG because of a set of system-to-system conversions they did (with the intent of taking the company's assets as damages), but a suit by another company ending with the offending product simply being discontinued/recalled established a ruling that would have made a damage award almost impossible.

Stan Bundy I know the book you are talking about I used to own it. Palladium actually sued Wizards over the book first they gave them a bunch of money for the rights of the book and then killed it. That was back in want to say 1990 because according to shadis magazine Wizards used that money for the first print run of magic.

That is some interesting stuff. If that TSR/WotC suit is true then it's kind of ironic TSR got bought out by WotC. I wonder if all those law suits being thrown around is what prompted WotC to create the Open Game License. Effects of the OGL move are still felt today. Fun Fact: I read in a book that Hasbro bought WotC not because they had D&D or Magic the Gathering but because they had the rights to make the Pokémon CCG. I imagine that because Hasbro wanted Pokémon and little else, WofC were left to their own devises which lead to the OGL and the 3.0 rules set. But that's only speculation.

I had it, there were problems. Characters never improved at all, if a character didn't start with at least 4 initiative they were worthless and the vehicle system was unplayable.

You came here from Varg?