MrBallen Podcast | Episode 212 - "The Last Night Out " (PODCAST EXCLUSIVE EPISODE) 

Seriously? What exactly are we going to teach these women? That all men are brutal murderers if you deny them sex? That unlike men, you can't trust a man to give you a ride? That if you go back to their place for a party, you risk rape and death? Please. Just stop. All men are not killers. SMH.

Looking back I am surprised I didn't get murdered etc. I was an 80s kid and we did all sorts of stupid things. Breaks my heart what happened to Amy

​@@bobbiebeck5361So true when I think back to the 80s s a young girl just jumping into people's cars like what could go wrong?...I think alot of us got lucky .thank God

Young but never that’s stupid your out on a date u leave with some guys u just met come on Amy

When I think back about so many of The stupid, reckless things I did, I shiver. I could have easily been killed more than once.

​@user-fv4jt1kl1e Exactly! Sad she lost her life but she didn't make smart decisions. And if she really wanted to be single, why did she even invite a guy to her place that she knew liked her. Makes no sense.

I agree. I never blame the victim, and Amy is no exception, but, my god, she made some very strange and naive decisions. My heart goes out to her family. RIP, Amy

She thought she was sooo cute etc smh not everyone will see you as a princess that’s they’d never harm. Sad

Sad. But yes. The choices you make reflect on the outcome. I had a feeling the frosted tip dude did it. Esp after she asked to join there game. Gave him a complex.

yup, thought the same thing. And when I heard she abandoned Eric at the club, of course I thought "HE DID IT!" I was wrong. but hey, you invited this guy over and luckily he didn't chop her up. yes he got mad that she didn't want to have sex..but sounds like signals got mixed, he got mad but he STILL didn't kill her. And damn, if a friend invited me to a club, a female friend at that, and then left to go hang out with two other females while I was in the bathroom. I'd be VERY mad , and at that age I probably would have keyed her damn car, thrown her jacket out the window and left her purse out on the street. ( I wouldn't do that now but as a 20 something I did key an ex's car once when he dumped,. so I know I would have done it.) Eric didn't do any of that. That is some s***ty behavior on Amy's part. And yes, yes, yes, it did lead her to Russ. Amy's decision to just abandon the person SHE invited led to her meeting a murderer. Did she deserve it? Of course not. Russ is 100% to blame for her death. but could this have been prevented if Amy had just acted DECENT to someone she invited over? YES. 100% this would have been prevented. . Had she just been a good host even if she didn't like Eric sexually, just be a good friend while hosting... she wouldn't have met Russ and she would be alive today.

@@aprilsaccountabilityaccoun2889 Right! We all thought it was Eric with how aggressive he was behaving towards her. She probably thought it was unlikely someone in their town would do such a thing that's why she trusted them.

Men - don't kill women.

For real. Sorry Amy. You made very poor decisions indeed. Not just one, but a slew of poor decisions one right after another on a grand roll.

Very painful truth to be sure.

IMO victim blaming is 100% in order in such cases where girls had acted as irresponsibly; only in this instance it's more clear to identify.

Agreed. It sucks that some people are so sexually driven within the dating seen. Most really just wanna screw you and dip.

Girl should have stayed home 😭

@@katherinesensi3709 hopefully, she's home now 🙏

Ladies are really complicated. Their decisions are filled with mixed signals. Asides that, Mr Ballen may have made that part of her life up, because he wasn't in her thoughts so he can't really know.

Told me everything I needed to know about her haha. She didn’t deserve to die but holy shit the games did not do her any favors

That was really funny! 😂

Aimee was prevented instead.

Y’all act like we aren’t living in straight up Sodom and Gomorrah times of extreme hoery-“sexual liberation” they call it-what with all the OF and instahoes combined with tinder, grinder, bumble, etc?!! This girl wasn’t even tryna sleep with *any* of these men and she’s still being victim/slut shamed. I’m kinda shocked at the keyboard judgement everyone’s so quick to hand down on this ᴍᴜɾԀǝɾ + ɾᴀᴘǝ *victim.*

She didn't lack but made wrong decisions. Accountability is Kryptonite to women

And why would you rent a car to do it? Initially I thought they assumed that he had a rental because he flew in to see her.

@@denonpmbsave miles on your car

👍👏👏👏👌💯

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She was a hoochie...font freaking sugar coat it

Same I always left dates to dance with other people I like ved the attention sounds awful but I was drunk and young lol never was I making good choices

Yeah it is easy to judge because the decisions she made were very clearly stupid. You’re acknowledging your decisions were stupid as well. I’ll never understand women’s thought processing. Like how do you just trust 2 random guys you’re playing pool with to leave and go to their house? If that doesn’t scream SA or worse to you then you need serious help

Her "date" was a sullen, resentful, liar who came to visit with false intentions. I would have sent him packing at the first sign of his bad behavior.

I felt the same way, bizarre behavior for sure. The whole situation was weird, she must’ve been hugely naive. I’m not saying it was her fault, the whole thing was tragic.

@@jeanvignesI fully agree, and I would’ve sent him away as well. BUT leaving the bar alone with a stranger is something I wouldn’t do. I don’t necessarily blame Amy because holy shit the dumb stuff I did in my 20s, but I hope we can teach young women to avoid this in the future. Doesn’t matter how nice and normal the guy seems, treat everyone like a possible threat until they’ve proven themselves as not.

God and the f word should not be in. The same sentence

It seems like she played a lot of games. To do what she did, she either had to be completely clueless and socially inept or she actually enjoyed leading men on and then watching them fight over her. It's one or the other really. And you know the saying goes, "play stupid games...".

Hey, some of my best friends are dangerous weirdos🤔

So do you play games with their hearts and minds like Amy did??

Yes ,like girl you did alot 😢

@@Allieari No, no --I was just joking, not actually serious✌️🙂

Yeah he was wasting his time by going in the first place after she was very clear with him. He was mad that she followed through on what she said, but probably should’ve been mad at himself lol. If someone tells me that I’m not going to get something I want, then I just say thanks and move on. Not try to do the thing anyway and then get mad they didn’t do what I wanted. 🤷🏻‍♀️

What a CONCEPT! It’s so hard to keep the fathers after the baby is born though, it’s like they just disappear! Pooooof

Also in addition this is why fathers should teach their SONS how to except the word NO.

@@kaseyscott6132 firstly, when you invite someone inside your house, when you know they want more than friendship, it's safe to say that they wouldn't expect the word "No", thus they would be justified to be furious. Secondly, you should've been more careful before having a kid. It's all about decision making. Fathers stay when the mothers aren't crazy and they know the babies are born and raised in a safe environment, regardless who careless and irresponsible they might be as adults

@@elinagk9902 ya sure bro do the victim blaming. when someone from ur family gets murdered u should tell ur other family members that they should have stayed home. she made herself clear that she wont do anything with him, men like u n him need to learn boundaries, predator mindset u have. try taking a no n not kill. men hate accountability , that y many leave

You all are speaking about Eric .. but he wasn’t the one who killed her ! And he did nothing to hurt her… he was very much disappointed when he had travelled from far away… he was grumpy 😠 yesss but he never laid hands on her. Do you know who killed AMY ? If not you should just listen to the story one more time. ❤ RIP AMY ❤

Yeah….. she wasn’t really um….smart. Dragging all these guys in. It’s the Victimology poor poor decisions.

everybody didn’t invite strangers from Florida to spend the weekend with them, have their ex there because she felt it was sketchy and then leave the club with 2 other strangers. No most of us have more sense than that, even in our most stupid form. Nothing about what she did made sense

I think it’s cause it shows her poor judgment.

True. I usually read comments while listening and thought it was Eric who killed her. People keep bringing him up when the actual killer is the guy she ditched Eric for.

I agree very addictive

Agreed. My gf also slowly losing her sht 😂

You beat me to it 😂 I had to rewind it and check out what I heard. Because to just feel like that? Why would you put yourself in that situation anytime or anywhere?? Especially in your own home??? It doesn't matter what she SAYS to him 🙄🙄🙄 She has invited him!! And that in his eyes is enough. And certainly the only thing he will see. Nobody deserves what they get in these situations. But it certainly makes it easier to make yourself a bloody victim to it.

I mean I think she just wanted to offer him a place to stay. If I see that they’re annoyed about it then I’d tell ‘em to find somewhere else to go

@@littlewillowlindano she wasn’t just offering the guy a place to stay. He was clearly romantically interested in her and had come to visit her. She shouldn’t have invited him to stay with her.

@@littlewillowlinda I know she did. And it's a crying shame that what was meant as a kind act. And one that you are sacrificing the benefit of yourself over. Is used against you in the most brutal ultimate betrayal. And we know statistically that most murders. I think 9 out of 10 are committed by someone we know in one capacity or another. However vague or distant it is. And I put ex boyfriends in the same category. Because it's the vague and distant ones that want more than they have already got. And the sheer volume of women that get murdered by someone in that category. That was just doing them a favour is truly mind-blowing. Because if they can just get us to feel sorry for them. They know they have a chance. And that's because we really really must like them!! And we are playing hard to get! By the time they finally get the message. The poor girl is already dead. Men like that are made up of a lethal mix of testosterone, ego and single figure brain cells. And she would have in his mind, got what she deserved. I was put in a situation when I was 18. And one I really really wasn't happy about. Furthermore I vocalised it loudly to the one asking. And for the one he was asking for..... and didn't know myself. And at this point I didn't know of him either. I have no other excuse for me relenting to him. Other than he wore me down. I had the presence of mind to sleep in with my son that night. As I allowed him the sofa to sleep. The bedroom was front facing others. And the windows swung out from middle hinges to open horizontally. At that position they would hold themselves there. So I put the window like that and jumped into the cabin bed I had made from a small cupboard. Obviously Id built it with his safety in mind 😂 but it was still much higher than most. And because it was, it closed the distance between me and the actual window. I was more on the level with it. And I think that's why I woke up in the middle of the night to it being softly closed. I immediately woke up and reacted badly to this. I can't remember now, it's almost 40 years ago. I do remember telling him if he didn't go right now I was going to scream my fucking head off. And our houses were made of plaster boards. And he knew it. He did go and he went without any harm done to myself and more importantly my son! It could have ended very differently. Especially when a couple of years later I would go on to become friends with his ex wife and babysit for her kids. She told me the things he had done to her. And that I had indeed had a lucky escape. Then many years after that again. And he had gone on to make 5 different families with kids by this time. And it came out that he had been sexually abusing his kids. Including the daughter of my friend. And she did come out with the others in order to have him prosecuted. And he did eventually go to prison for it as well. Thankfully he is dead now and been dead for many years. He won't be hurting anyone ever again. I mean!!! We tell our kids not to talk with strangers???😯 Then reach adulthood and become idiots!!

And then deciding to add an ex boyfriend in the mix. Honestly just sounds like an awkward situation (for all of them) to be avoided at all costs - not something to actively arrange. She probably was a bit naive and thought of it as just 3 friends hanging out together when in fact neither guy just wanted to be "friends". That being said, it sounds like she truly cared about others and certainly didn't deserve what happened.

I love the camping ones!!!

Nah paranormal

Bruuuuh?!!! Really?!! What about grinder? Tinder? Bumble? Ofc there’s extra vulnerability in advertising your “services” on backpage etc or straight up working the corners of a red-light district, but this girl was hanging around-not sleeping with-young men her age while explicitly stating her intentions, expectations, and boundaries to at least one of them upfront and yet she’s still getting shamed from the grave!!?! These girls nowadays ain’t got a leg to stand on!!!

@@robinmcinarnay7827 you are writing nonsence, it is simple: advice your daughters/friends/sisters no to go into the house or the car with man they just met that night, and don't invite men you they hardly know to sleep at their place.

DouglasGarland are you related to Garland from Newfoundland? My first husband had a family member Douglas son of John? Just wondering?Happy Easter

After further thought, it is actually possible that she wasn't socially inept at all and knew EXACTLY what she was doing. It's possible that she enjoyed the attention and the scenario of two men simultaneously pursuing her and potentially fighting over her. She might have claimed she wasn't interested but actions often speak louder than words. The fact that she went out with Eric to a bar and then basically left him standing there by himself to play pool with two random 20 something year old men says a lot about her personality.

Some people have a bit of spectrum condition, like Asperger's, and they don't really grasp 'social skills' or 'mixed signals'...

@@Dale-jd4nj I’m a woman with Asperger’s and I was in my 40s before it finally dawned on me that I didn’t like back in a boy way when I was a teen were possibly it that I was a tease or stringing them along when I just didn’t want to be seen by them after I told them I wasn’t allowed to have a boyfriend (early adolescence) or that I had a boyfriend already once I got one. People girls I can say women my age 49 we got mixed signals from social cues of being a nice girl don’t be the B word and so I probably accidentally seemed like I was sending mixed messages by trying to be a friend of somebody that probably just wanted me to look at his wiener. More than looking at it you know you know. And I didn’t know that if somebody still asked for a hug after I said, I couldn’t have a boyfriend or after I had a boyfriend and I gave him a hug. I didn’t think about it as rubbing my boobs all over them, but realizing it as a kind of epiphany later on even though I reached to Daughter and I did raise her be kind but you don’t have to be nice if someone’s not being nice to you always treat people with kindness don’t accept meanness from anyone and continue to be kind. Tell them they blew it. I still have trouble reading social cues, but I never was this level of reckless. Well, once I was visiting a friend from summer camp when we were 15 and I wasn’t used to the really high heels of Pittsburgh because I lived in another state that was flat. We were walking back from the Salvation Army and I couldn’t walk another step and I kind of jokingly Stuck out my thumb to hitchhike a pick up truck passed us by. And we did do that, but it was in the pick up part and it was daytime in the city in a busy part of the city and we were kind of punks when the Pittsburgh police were pulling up next to us, I said, get out at the red light and we booked it.

Same girl! When I hear stories like this I say to myself, there but for the Grace of God go I. The 80s were wild and crazy, with drinking and nose candy flowing openly in the clubs, and on many occasions left the club with strangers. I was very naive like Amy. Never gave a second thought to my personal safety.

I did the same! Growing up in the 60s and 70s in a small town, my family, neighbors and all my friends were so normal, it never occurred to me that some people and even strangers could be evil, so I tended to be trusting, even later when I moved to a large city. I used to hang out with guys a lot and some of them I let "crash at my pad" if they were too stoned to get back home. Nothing bad happened. Many years later, I realize what a risk taker I was and how lucky I was to eventually end up with a great career, two children and two grandchildren I adore!

Brunswick here... At the present I live in Bath, pretty much been in this area my entire life.

Greetings from Humboldt County, California

That’s insane wow

I'm glad it wasn't Eric that dude has the patience of a saint. A true simp, but a good man non the less

If he was your mate you must be about a piece of work too. Hope there's people keeping a close eye on you guys so nobody else gets killed

Yikes

@@phdwinnerthat’s pretty presumptuous thinking like that- what if he just answered a roommate ad? There is a thing called advertising for roommates- pretty common with people who don’t buy houses or apartments.

Yeah , she led him on and treated him poorly .

WTH? Should women not have male friends who have no alterier motives?

Yes they can, but these men had ulterior motives!!!

but does that justify murder, ur choice of words are so poor. imagine her family reading this.

@@wheniwasokinawa7610 I think only self defense can ever justify murder. Its sad that Amy was murdered. She didn't deserve it and I hope her family is able to find some peace. Unfortunately there will always be evil in the world.

@@wheniwasokinawa7610 not justifying murder. But just pointing some mistakes done by Amy.

Make that an and not an or and you have a great point.

@Allieari Thank you grammar police 🚔

Yes because psychopaths and murderers only exist because we didn’t teach them not to be psychopaths and murderers. When it’s a story about a psychopathic woman do you keep the same energy?

@@Makers745 As a woman I agree with you.

@@frommousietomouthy4991 Its not grammar police, I'm saying that you should change it to and instead of or. Teach girls to protect themselves and teach young men to behave. Learn how to interpret what people are saying before calling them grammar police.

I thought it was the guy who she ditched Eric to go dance with?

Absolutely

Thank you

Tolls take coins or cash only. He most likely used a debit or credit card at the gas station

Credit card

? Playing along and playing is what ended her life. If she wasn't interested in her date that night .Apologize and have him take you home. Don't run off with someone else who you just met! Girls like her are toxic, just like them guys are. The two mixing ends up like this.

Absolutely. Just saw the heartbreaking story of that man who stabbed twin girls (one died) for rejecting his advances. Of course people still blamed the girls because how dare they go to a bodega to go get food after a family event? Why didn’t they just give him the number? No matter what it’ll always come down to killers gonna kill. So sad. Over emotional ass men who get their feelings hurt because someone told them no smh!

But yeah I still remember how shaken up she was when she got into my car. I’ve known her for 8 years now and ive never seen that look on her face before… I was genuinely concerned but knowing her I didnt say anything At that moment… later when she seemed to start being more like herself again I tried to ask more but knowing me she didnt wanna tell me anything out of fear of what I might do… despite my reassurances I never did find out who this guy was… and despite that experience really shaking her up, it didnt take very long for her to start hanging out with random people again… which I assume includes guys I mean honestly if I guy wouldnt try to hit on her I would find it weird… But yeh like I said earlier for the most part I dont mind her hanging out with other guys, long as she knows them and u know their her friends. Its the random ones that worry me really. I know she turns em all down, thats not the issue. I just know there are guys like that Rus guy out there that just cant take no for an answer

Thats the thing though with having an attractive girl. You gotta get used to other guys hitting on her. If shes really gorgeous Its gonna happen. And U can either be jealous about it or feel lucky to have such a desirable woman. To be the man she chose to be with out of all those other guys.. thats the way I choose to feel. Lucky. Despite guys constantly hitting on her she is still with me for some reason.

@@ThisMeansMyPS3sOutwho the hell are you talking to my guy ? Cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo!!!

You justify too much.

That’s exactly what l thought too

I think that one was “Desperately Seeking Susan.”

It Could be " Hard up for Harriet" ... 😬

Chasing Amy is a Kevin Smith film 😊 I thought of it too when I heard that

Ben Affleck, Jason Lee and Joey Laurens

Damn

I’m sure she didn’t think she was going to be sexually assaulted and murdered. But hey that’s what happens when guys like that get their feelings hurt, yeah guess she should have considered their fragile ego more.

She wanted to stir up jealousy and drama

@@kaseyscott6132yep.