MS-DOS on a PiStorm Amiga 500 running Emu68  

Couple of things not covered in the video: 1. The corruption seen in autoexec.bat has reappeared but is also within config.sys. I’m not 100% sure why this is happening, it certainly never happened on the 1200 but if I had to guess I think it’s a conflict with the PFS3 file system I’m using on the 500. While the corruption persists it never seems to effect the emulation. 2. Running within WinUAE I can easily launch windows in normal or enhanced mode. Again I’m not 100% sure why this doesn’t work on the 500, at a guess it might be something to do with WinUAE emulating a 68030 whereas the PiStorm emu68 is emulating a 68040. I suppose it could also be linked to the corruption. 3. Another potential issue with this later version of PC Task is that the files available on Aminet are not the original disks (as they are for PC-Task 3.1). Rather it’s an LHA file of someone’s installation (less the hardfile). It should be possible to mount the hardfile within AmigaOS as an accessible drive but to do so you need a hardfile.device and this is missing. I have found a copy of it on an EAB thread but when I try to mount the hardfile it doesn’t work. If anyone has this file or knows how to get this working it please let me know as it would make copying files over a lot easier.

Would love to see a emu68 setup video including flashing the pistorm etc.

Amiga and MS-DOS... it feels so wrong, yet so exciting!

Nice experiment =D Was fun to see you test all that stuff out! Hope you had a good Christmas!

Boy they really updated the Emu68 core to ludicrous speed! Nice!

Awesome work. That was amazing!

Hi I commented on one of your earlier PC Task videos that back in the day I played around with pc task on my 1200 with a 25mhz GVP 030 accelerator. I remember ending up with MS Dos and Windows 3.1. It installed cleanly but ran terribly. The pistorm obviously providing the muscle. Great videos. Keep them up.

Great vídeo and happy New year CRG

I really need to find an old school pc like this to mess around with. Someone recently gave me an original G4 Mac that I've been messing with, the first mac I've ever really used. Has been neat to mess around with. Keep up the good work, Happy new year.

Great video, I really want to see you go full circle and emulate an amiga in Win 😀

Nice way to squeeze a bit of Amiga into doscember. I haven't touched my PiStorm since building and initial setup back in July. I was waiting for the software side to develop a bit more, looks like that's happening. :) A rough-guide/ refresher would be great.

Nice video, now I need a beer

Very interesting :)

CRG, I would also love to see an Emu68 setup video including flashing the PiStorm etc.

I've seen another video on the PiStorm (can't remember which though). In there it was suggested that the CPU be limited to a 68020 in an A500. The more advanced instructions of the 030/040 might require signals from the CPU socket that simply aren't available in the A500.

Hi, nice video. About the slowish graphics. The Amiga user planar graphics, while the PC uses chunky graphics and planar, my guess is the emulator is "running" at those 96MHz, but when writing to screen it has to go all through some kind of translation of chunky to planar, and that is quite slow because involves extracting bits and packing them in a different way. The zeroes in the benchmark is probably an overflow.

Bravo !!!!. Excellent video with all the questions on the table. I have tried for many years the possibility to run a system more elegant than windows and i mean Linux of course. All the time in almost the test i broke the partition ana in some cases all the Amigas partitions. It is a nice emulator but difficult to have for sure a cool solution. I think your pistorm has the power to make this try again. There are plenty of different linux systems and i believe that there is someone for us in the corner . Many friends told me not to try solutions like that because they believe it is best to use original operating 68k solutions . But for me is better than having all the HD occupied with only one operating system. So the solution with pctask is better choice because you cann made many different systems in your drive .

FYI, Emu68 emulates all the 68K (68000 to 68040) instructions but it reports as 68040. Emu68 doesn't need the usual 68040.library. Emu68's built-in 68040.library is to satisfy some later build AmigaOS checks that complain about the missing 68040.library. Emu68 is following for Vampire AC68080's wide band 68K instruction set support.

That bit of Quake at the start is unreasonably fast, good lord. :PPP

how about the early versions of Lotus 123 which ran in assembler .. would it run that and if so how fast would it calculate?

I remember playing a shareware game called 'Solar Winds' in PC-Task on my Amiga back then. Don't remember if it was with the 030 or later with the 060, though. :)

maybe The FULL version of PCx v1.1 was included on Amiga Format CD-ROM 50 or dosbox amiga port

Interesting seeing a A500+ with a keyboard with a fat return key and red power light. They usually have the small return and the green/amber power/disk lights

rewatching this brinigs up the question: how do you create the pc-task hardfile? are their any readily downloadable? its easy enough to move a large file onto the pi over ftp/wifi on its local pio fat 32 disk. PC TASK hasn't worked on pistorm for me under emu68, so that's that. Probably some obscure setting.

I would like to see PiStorm running DosBoxRTG

can the Amiga 500 or such emulate pc-task and then run ms Windows 95 or 98se?? thanks...........

What Raspi are you using? How did you manage to squeeze 900 mips out of it? For me, it stops at around 400 mips

I wonder if there's a way to get the rpi to handle the x86 emulation too? ( I mean that more academically, I understand the software you were using was THE emulator, but ... still just wonder if there's a way to do it)

Your early Landmark scores are wrong sadly. The counters are wrapping. Probably a few hundred times. :) My 486 overclocked with an S3 805 pops along at 21,000. Enjoy your work. Keep it up!

Thanks for an interesting video! As much as i try i am confused with preparing the SD for Emu68. Default pistorm is easy. If i ever manage to pepare the SD, how would i begin transfering files to the Amiga hard disk part? I think wifi on the Pi is not working with Emu68?

Like

Do you have a guide on setting up mac os to run on a pistorm as well ?

what speed is the pi? thanks.........

that's insane, way faster than a Vampire too?

Which AmigaOS Version are you running?

There is DOSBOX port for Amiga you try.

Great video. Did you ever find an adapter for the pos mini pc? I managed to find one I can send you the info if your interested, how can I contact you?

i dont quite get it though - how come your running a pi within the Amiga 500 ? thanks.....

I don't know how I feel about running MS Dos on an Amiga while running a Pi as a CPU. I will probably stick to the 50 MHz 68030 instead to improve the speed of various Amiga titles. A very interesting video though. It's exciting to see what enthusiasts come up with for this capable 7.2mhz machine.

The more i think about the baremetal version "emu68" makes sense. It is in a sense like some modern CPU core today. Some x86 chips today actually translate CISC to RISC at its core. We first saw this in 1995 with the Pentium Pro, P6. Perhaps if Motorola had followed suit, they too would have adopted this technique.

Haven't tried emu68 just yet however if your Pizero has wifi, you can simply sftp files over to it. It's what I've been doing

how is the speed compared to running dos directly on the PI, with free dos or dosbox?

interpretive is THE WAY for windows. I am running complete MS office from Win 3.1 (Excel, Word,,Powerpoint)

yep try it with DOSBox RTG :)

You filthy casual retro gamer.

which dos program is at 16:23 ?

I wanted to see PC Task on a PiStorm/Emu68k.

One interesting idea: what if the PiStorm was used to emulate an i386 alongside the m68k? Basically emulate a Bridgeboard on top of the ARM...

Brutally pointless. I loved it :)

How does AMAME run on emu68?

Perhaps this version of pistorm doesn't have the fpu emulated(sysinfo), which is odd since it had run quake

pity 1 of the amiga ports of DosBox cant take advantage of the Pi/Emu68 side of things.

It makes me wonder how much one of those Pi Storms would do in a A4000-060... Or if that's even possible.

how did you get a boot disk working for pc task its an absolute nightmare without a real pc drive or amiga drive

It's your underlying Amiga filesystem. PC-Task (and other software that does low-level disk translation like ShapeShifter) tend to prefer FFS. A comparison between PC-Task and Dosbox performance would be good. I think Dosbox can run Win95. Nice vid!

it's turtles all the way down.

If someone had the energy to do so they could probably make the pistorm act like a pc compability card.

can this Amiga 500 run ms windows 95 or 98 se ????? thanks.........

The Amiga version is the best for Monkey Island !

So an 8086 emulator running on a 68000 emulator running on a risc processor..

If only the emulation of the PC/MS-DOS would run on the Pi itself... in the same way as the A2088 or similar bridgeboards would add an x86 to the system, or the KCS Power PC Board which added a NEC V30 processor; in short, it needs a Emu86

Use shapeshifter and get a MSDOS emulator for Mac

If you haven’t done so already then Abandonware is a useful term to search for 🙂

Emulating an 486 on an 68k which is emulated on an ARM is kinda wanky. Don't get me wrong, as a proof of concept it is fun but after all in Real Life one would rather run DOSBOX directly on ARM or even use Windows for ARM which new x86/amd64 Emulator is BLAZING fast.

You didn‘t try a DOS C64 emulator???? What is wrong with you? :D

Good thing there is not WinUAE release for Windows 3.0, or else you would have gotten stuck in an endless simulation loop.

Try mk3

is there an easy way to access hardfiles?

That looks like a 286processor, that cant use protected mode..

if it can run Duke Nukem 3D so fast on an emulator, its pretty fast, this Pi

oh no. no more "phone me" message??

I've run Bochs on Macs....the opposite of fun

Yo dawg, I heard you like emulators...

for ms emulation, you might be better running mac emulator and in that running a pc emulator, I believe you get a faster pc and be able to run windows 95-98

C'mon, VGA IS NOT 640x200, it is 640x480, or 320x240. Double this for 640x480. Then you get to SVGA starting with 800x600.

I think 040 is the main problem, this CPU isn't fully compatible with previous versions. So better try 030.

Maybe you could run Windows, then fire up UAE and emulate an Amiga!!!

Some MSDOS files require a 80387 for them to run at all.

can it handle IEEE754 Numbers.

Doesn't like a soft 80387

Emulation Inception.

Wasting time to put a pi inside a shitty Amiga. Why don't emulate all both DOS and Amiga straight from Pi. What slightly disappointed? U put a 21st centuries Pi inside a 1980's stone age computer, what u expect?