Honestly thank you for walking me through this, its been a real dream of mine to build a gaming PC since i was about 16, I just celebrated my 34th birthday and started at my build for it. I was dreading this part. Thank you again RU-vid tech man.
Great video mate, i got this mobo with r5 7600, and gskill 6000 cl30, followed your guide and enabled expo, pbo, CO -20, and everything runs smoothly till now, all the testing (cinebench etc) came out great, had my first gaming session yesterday and no issues whatsoever. Thanks for this detailed guide because honestly it was really tricky to find a step by step guide for clueless people like me! cheers
@@anant0089 PBO means precision boost overdrive (some sort of a small auto oc). co means curve optimizer for the voltage. -20 = -20 millivolts. but be careful, reducing voltage can cause system instability. -20 should be stable in most cases though.
@@mikesunboxing does the MSI b650 bios support 4x4x4x4 bifurcation for the x16 PCIE slot? unfortunately you skipped the pcie configuration settings in the video
When I saw Tomahawk I thought we were reviewing a Tomahawk steak! 😆Seriously, it looks like a solid and well built mobo. I use ASUS mobos and my son uses MSI. MSI does take longer to boot but I do like the BIOS screens. Also use CSM when installing a hard drive with a previously installed OS. If its in UEFI it wont boot the OS. Thanks Mike & Kath! Cheers from Las Vegas. By the way it snowed in the mountains today. Strange weather! 😮
I do find the MSI bios better to navigate on my dters pc versus my asus mb. Will be a while before jumping from AM4 2bh but glad of your tutorial Mike and Kath. Thanks for sharing👍
I was watching a video by Hardware Unboxed about the cheapest b650 motherboard. Interresting results, but what stunt me was that both MSI motherboard had the longest boot time of all. Around 40 second while Gigabyte MB were at about 23 seconds! Hope this will improve with more mature BIOS...
Hi Mike, I'm looking at building a new gaming rig for the first time in about 15 years and am interested in investing into the AM5 Platform and currently have the following components on the shopping list (budget is around £2,000). The games I like the look of are mainly play FPS and RTS games like Cyberpunk 2077, Doom Eternal, Call of Duty series, Overwatch 2, Borderlands 3 and such like. I believe combining the Ryzen 5 7600X with a GPU like the RX6800XT or higher will squeeze the most performance out of the system and also has an upgrade path built in (the Ryzen 5 7600X can cope with the fastest GPU on the market, even the monster known as the RTX 4090 - so maybe when the price drops). * CPU: Ryzen 5 7600X * GPU: Radeon RX6800 XT or the 6950 XT * Mobo: MSI MAG Tomahawk B650 WIFI * CPU cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin or DeepCool AK620 (or maybe an AIO Liquid Cooler like the Arctic Liquid Freezer 2) * RAM: Kingston Fury BEAST RGB 16GB (2x8GB) 5200 CL40 or similar * PSU: CoolerMaster MWE Gold 750W V2 Fully Modular or similar (min.750W, at least B-Tier) * Case: So many to choose from but 2 that I like are the Be Quiet! Silent Base 500DX and the Antec NX410 (ideally would like the Hyte Y60 but this is a tad pricey at over £200) * Monitor: Gigabyte M28U (a 4k one).
Note on THIS! 27:00 is that to the right side is RPM my case fans and most fans only has recommended 2000 RPM. So, this fan curve will max out the fans. And you will have an airplane. So in this case 70% is like 10000RPM. My fan curve is almost in the bottom to achieve normal rum sound. Just keep that in mind when you set your curve.
Hi Mike, i have the carbon motherboard with a 7800x3d. Occasionally on power up. It enters the bios on its own. Not recognising my boot drive; samsung 980 m.2 then rebooting all ok. Your thoughts please as any info would be appreciated. Secondly how do you setup for 2 monitors ( including on board graphics)?
Has anyone made a walkthrough of the B650? Everyone in their mother made a bios video. I need a video of someone showing what each outlet does and where wires will be located. Any guidance to find the content im looking for would be very appreciated.
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I'm building my first ever pc with a ryzen 9 7900x cpu Msi mag b650 wifi motherboard And more Regarding the bios update and win11 installation after the pc is assembled Correct me where I'm wrong 1.Boot into bios by oressing the del key 2. Use M-flash to update the bios by use of a usb syick with the latest bios version 3.change the boot drive to the usb stick with the win11 installation 4.go through the prompts and select the ssd for installing win11 5.let it copy the win11 file 6. Removethr usb stick after this 7. let the pc install win11
Thinking to buy this board or Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX. What troubles me is , who from these 2 boards has better Linux support. Because the last 8 years I use only Linux.
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Guys, please help me fix the error with led vga. The computer works, but the monitor does not light up. I have already tried everything except the settings in the BIOS. The error appeared after assembling a new computer, all components are new and compatible with each other
Do you know what would make it so i need to have asmedia sata enabled or disabled? Would appreciate the help, been having a frustrating day with the PC
I have just built a new pc using this exact motherboard and cpu. I hav created a Windows 11 installation media on a USB driver (16GB). But even though the system sees the USB it wont boot from it and begin to install windows. I have set the boot priority to the USB and all it does is reboot into the bios screen, any ideas?
Hi Mike, thanks for the great introduction. I have the same MB and the same processor but the EXPO profile just doesnt want to work. My NB Frequency is permanently at 3000 MHz (I have 2 DDR 5 16GB Rams. Do you know a solution for that problem?
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Do I need a flash drive to update bios and do I even need to update bios to start playing? Idk what to do ,kinda got to that screen and got confused..do I click the x and that's all?
i have a good video on that due out shortly, basically you need to enable expo but manually enter the first four memory timings from the box or sticker on the RAM, worked for me
I have a weird story for you my ryzen 9 7900x can pull 211W (reported form the cpu package power sensor in hwinfo64) but the max cpu package temperature is 85C it doesnt want to go higher I get 28 913 pts in cinebench r23 multicore test fair i did cool my room and coolant to 23C before running the stress tests odd that this cpu doesnt reach 90C easily my aio is a corsair h150i elite capellix xt 360mm and I used corsair xtm70 paste
so i got this board with a 7800 3dx and gskill tridentz5 with expo but when i go in to bios the expo button is greyed out and i cant click it i switch to 6000 in the memory setting any idea what i need to do ?
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Looked on this MOBO specification list and it doesnt say it supports expo on there however b650-s pro wifi does, should i ignore this? does it have expo on there? surely right cos b650-s pro is like $40 cheaper, im using a 7800x3d with tforce delta rgb 6000mhz
Its been a week that I've built myself a pc , (7700x ,with 4x16gb corsair ram and im having issues enabling expo in my bios, when i boot nothing shows) what could be the cause ?
Hi there Mike! I hope you are doing well! I just have a quick question that I'm hoping I can get a answer too. So long story short, I got a brand new PC built not too long ago been about 3 weeks since it was built and the last week of it I accidentally got a malware virus and so I took it back too the company which I bought the parts from and had it built so they could do a fresh install of the OS windows 11 so it would completely get rid of the malware. I just got it back not too long ago and I have the exact same Motherboard and before the fresh install when i would either turn on my PC or even just restart it, I would see the motherboards logo first then it would boot into windows, but after the fresh install I now noticed it doesn't show me the Motherboards logo at all and just fast boots into windows. I'm not a very technical person which is why I am asking how can I get my Motherboards logo too show up again like before? I did go into control panel and disable fast boot in power options but that still didn't do anything so I am guessing that option is also enabled in the bios of my Motherboard, how can I get into the bios of this board and disable fast boot? Any assistance is appreciated thank you!
sometimes if the monitor is plugged into a different port, it doesn't get initialised before windows loads, so try plugging the monitor into a different port to start with
Hey Liebe Grüße aus Deutschland, ich habe ein Paar settings übernommen nur wenn ich den Curve optimizer einstelle erkennt das bios das nicht als neue Änderung an. Was kann ich da tun habe das selbe Motherboard
@@mikesunboxing Hey vielen dank für die Antwort ich habe es geschafft... nur kann ich kein Expo Profil auswählen nur halt XMP profil 1 wissen sie vielleicht warum ich habe einen AMD Prozessor und eine NVIDIA Grafikkarte. Mit freundlichen grüßen aus Deutschland.
Can't seem to enable EXPO in the bios myself, every time i try this the system just won't boot anymore and i have to remove the CMOS battery in order to get my PC up and running again. Very frustrating! Am i missing something? (using MSI B650 Tomahawk, 7800x3d and 32Gb of Corsair Vengeance RGB Ram)
I'm trying to figure out how can i activate the wifi of my b650. I already enabled the wifi from the motherboard but still not showing up from my windows. Any help thanks
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Guys 1 question, i disabled the intregated graphics and the hybridGraphics and now when i restart my pc i got black screen ... What can i do? I have 4070 nvidia gpu but i think the system dont detect the gpu . Help pls
Why is the IDLE temp in BIOS for you so high? It's sitting at 46c. Is that normal? For me it sits even higher at 58c. Is this an AMD thing? With Intel in BIOS temps are in the 30s.
@@mikesunboxing I've been an intel user for life and this blows my mind. I set up a SFF (Ridge case) and a NH-L12S and it (7800x3d) idles 55-60c in Windows (and BIOS) and under load goes to 90c (but is capped at 90w). On the low end very hot but on the high end quite efficient.
@@mikesunboxingbut on asus board you have the option to go extreme opening and closing vrms, standard and AI i think so.. that makes the vrms to clock higher than normal.
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the boot time is about a minute with the current BIOS and standard settings, with the memory training disabled it is about 30 seconds, i have done a video showing it in both modes
@@mikesunboxing A couple of new BIOSes have been released since this video was made. Have you tried them and are the boot time any better? Any other noticable improvements? I'm deciding what mobo to get for the upcoming 7800x3d and this one has pretty much what I need.
@@mikesunboxing I tested it on one of my m2 ssd, it took a while, and I didn't see any result notification...I came back to the main menu automatically. I haven't been able to really form an opinion on this option.
The motherboard is really, really bad. I knew that the MSI startup is slow, but not that slow. After installing just Windows, with nothing on it, it takes at least 1 minute just to start. I've tried latest BIOS and it's even worse because it gave BSOD. I had to downgrade it (160 was initially) to make it start somehow. Let me explain. After you press the start button it just stays, screen is black and for at least 40 seconds the CPU and RAM LED (Red and Yellow) are on. After that they switch off, the green one for Boot will be on a second or two on and after all are off, then you'll see Win starting up. After Windows starts there's no problem. It works fine, but time is money and I can't wait it over a minute to start. So much money, but it starts like a 486 from the '80s. I've timed it with an older laptop which is on Win 8.1, i5 6th gen, 20 GB RAM and it takes less than 30 seconds. I've changed it to Gygabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX. DO NOT buy MSI !!!
i had a lot of problems with mine and also others, until i manually setup the RAM timings in the BIOS, since then it has been great and boots really quickly, but i will get some gigabyte boards in to see what they are like
Awesome video! Super helpful, only problem I had, you often said you can enable it or disable it. But you didn't explain what it does. But most likely you expected us to have the information already. Still a great and informative video👍🙂
if i went into detail on every setting it would be a really long video, i did mention if there were any specifics that need clarifying to get in touch either here or on the discord
Sent me spider senses tingling with a MSI BIOS Tour !!!!! Thanks for taking the time to show every nook and cranny of the BIOS, in my opinion MSI are the standard that other companies need to aspire to with regard their BIOS interfaces. Thanks Mike and Kath.
I got a lot of problems with this one and Ryzen 7700x, it doesn't show my SSD in the bios. But it does show it as a C drive to store things. also only usb audio jack on the front of pc works. its really bad too, my audio jacks in the back don[t work
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Hi i want to know one thing. Does the board makes PBO curves thing more viable and stavle or its mostly the processor chip RNG. I have that motherboard and still didnt mess with it because i enjoy my brand new PC and its a beast compared to my 7yo one, but one day i plan to mess with it. So how is that board doing with PBO settings?
most motherboards use too much voltage so that even marginal processors will still be stable and acheive the rated speeds. this means that the majority of processors could run a lower voltage and likely perform better. this is why PBO and curve optimisation is a thing
I have problems that my MSI B650 Tomahwak Wifi does not recognize my Nvidia RTX 4070 Super FE. I only get a signal via the motherboard via onboard graphics. The 4070 Super is not displayed in the Device Manager, even not in the hidden devices. I have tried several BIOS versions, unfortunately without success. Can you help me, I don't know any more. My system: AMD Rayzen 7 7800X3D Nividia RTX 4070 Super FE MSI B650 Tomahawk Wifi Corsair DIMM 32GB DDR5-6000 NZXT Kraken Elite be quiet! Pure Power 12M 1000W Kingston KC3000 2048 GB Thank you and greetings!
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Hello! I find your videos very helpful (new pc builder, this is my first one)! I'm having a bit of trouble with connecting to the internet with this motherboard as the options at 7:11 for me are "Auto, Wi-Fi only, BT Only, Wi-Fi/BT Off". I tried it on Auto but it still wouldn't work on Windows 11 Pro, so I'm trying wifi only but I'm not sure it's working either. I was hoping to use both wifi and bluetooth but there is no option for it. Should I just use an Ethernet cable at this point?
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@@mzd3ocho Hi, I had to connect to the router through the Ethernet cable and then update windows. It will prompt you to install all the missing drivers and that did it for me. If you keep having trouble you should be able to download the drivers separately on a usb from another pc and then install them on the windows one (I did it from Mac on my w11 a couple of weeks ago when my WiFi driver stopped working and simply reinstalled the new one. It was working once again but you shouldn’t get to this point unless it really isn’t working). As long as you can connect trough the Ethernet you should have issues after the couple of updates.
Can someone please help me? Every time I change my RAM speed/frequency I get a black screen. Everything powers on but my monitor gets stuck on "no signal". I am using CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MHz CL30 AMD EXPO (CMH32GX5M2B6000Z30K). Please someone help
Hello and thank you for this great video! Got the same board with 7600x, but when I press save and exit after changing settings (fan curves) the pc does not boot up. I do a manual reset for it to boot again after 3-5 mins in this state. Is this normal, should I just wait it out? Appreciate the help and the info!
Update: I found out that for some reason when I save and exit, GPU does not give any signal. Moved the display port to motherboard after waiting 5minutes again and I got image and was able to restart the pc from Windows this time and switch back dp in the GPU. Any idea why is this happenning? ❤
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Does anyone know how to change the sub timings. As we saw in the video they aren’t editable. How do I enable that. Edit: u can just edit it, it just click and type doesn’t give much indication that it’s selected
The onboard graphics are pathetic even on the 7800x3d. I tested it while waiting on my gpu to be delivered, and it doesn't seem any stronger than the integrated graphics in my ancient i7 4770.
my case has one fan in the front and one in the back. both are running, but the fan control in BIOS tells me all systems fans are at 0rpm. only the cpu fan is around 800rpm with default settings. weird.
This is great board i use it with my Ryzen R5 7600x, mater of fact all the b50 series board are good from MSI, i still have all my Tomahawk boards from the first B350 to the b550 till now no problems ever and were just solid they make great boards period, but great review mate well done.
If you still have this build, how is it on booting up? Does it take a bit longer or even a minute or more? I've heard issues about this, especially with msi an I just recently got this MB an CPU, I notice it does take longer then my old ddr4 build.
I have an issue with getting this board to work with both DIMMs installed. It works with one DIMM in the A2 channel but it wont work with both modules no matter which slots they are in. They both will work individually on A2 though. The module isn't faulty and I updated the BIOS with most recent version. Reseated both modules and made sure they were securely connected. Still only works with one. Anything else I can do? Ryzen 7700x CPU Corsair Vengeance DDR5 16GB x2
hi, i have a problem. I have a graphics card, GeForce rtx 3080 ti. When start a game, this game is close in a few seconds or minutes. I was update bios trying with distinct version but the problem continue. AND also tried with distinct drivers versión of the graphics card and have a big power supply of 850w 😢 Whats can be the Solution?. thank you.
I havethis mainboard and RAM which is stated to support EXPO, however, the BIOS only shows "A-XMP". Do you by chance know if this is different in newer BIOS versions, or does my RAM have wrong specs? The profile does seem to work, so your video aside everything appears to be fine.
Hi Mike! I'll build my 1st PC. I was using an Asus TUF gaming B650 plus wifi and unfortunate i got a faulty MB (A1 and B1 RAM and VGA Slots with no signal) My SSD Already has Win 11. It is ok if i boot Win 11 with this MB? Or i need to make a hard reset? Spec: AMD Ryzen 5 7600x, XPG 2x16 gb RAM 4800MhZ (5200 Mhz AMD EXPO Profile) MSI RTX 4060, EVGA 850 W Bronze +
the chipset is the same but the lan and audio are pretty different, i would be tempted to try it, but be mindful that a fresh install or at least a repair install might be needed
I had a question. Is the bios interface same for every b650 msi boards? Or MSI in general for that matters. Like I'll be buying a msi b650m gaming(non-plus), will the bios interface be same? And if it is then is it same for every other mobo vendors?
Does the EXPO profile come with the MOBO or the ram itself? Will the MOBO recognize it and provide you with 2 expo profiles or you need to buy expo ram?
Most modern boards have the ability to “read” data programmed into the memory chip. Xmp is for intel and expo is for amd on the am5 platform. Some ram will have both xmp and expo profiles programmed onto them for the motherboard to read. Hope this helps
I get a little lost since I don't speak native English, could someone tell me at what minute of the video the RAM frequency increases and the AMD Expo is activated, please I would greatly appreciate it
I personally prefer the old text BIOS settings - you can't get lost. With this new stuff I never know what is clickable and what is just a picture losing 5x more time in BIOS than used to.
The MSI driver utility installer closed after it restarted to finish updating windows 10.... Having trouble trying get it back open to install the necessary files. Any help?
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Again, Thanks for the video. Quick question, how do i disable fast boot ? I manually OC the ram and would like to have the bios train the memory every boot. Any help would be great. Thanks.
if you plan to buy this thing for a modern ryzen cpu: don't It's nearly impossible to flash that bios and I've been at it for 3 days now. going to RMA that chunk of e-waste
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Thank you very much. I have the exact same MB / CPU combo. My question is does the restore factory default option in bios keep or reset the bios version. Thanks.
I enabled amd expo I have a amd 7800x3D and I had got it working prior I was able to play games but after I deleted my drivers and reinstalled them then enabled amd expo 1 my computer won’t post now.
CPU and dram leds turn on briefly as normal when boot up after about 35 seconds they turn off and everything looks normal. I’ve tried reseeding ram and gpu also removed cmos and briefly and still not posting. I built this a week ago and had two faulty motherboards and the third one I got it to post and was able to install windows and play games frequently checking drivers to see how my pc was running and it was smooth but I decided to re install drivers after that I went back into bios and enabled and expo and now my pc won’t even post I just get black screen and my keyboard won’t turn on either which is wired. My set up is as follows. Tomahawk msi mag650 WiFi, amd ryzen 7800x3D, Radeon 7800XT, cool master cooler, gskill flare 32, 750 w power supply, 2 tb Corsair
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When I select "PEG" the board is still always trying to boot from IGPU. I have to remove cable from the GPU and put it into motherboard HDMI to get picture. BIOS reset did not help. Sometimes forcefully resting the PC 10+ times will make the board put the picture through the GPU. But you can imagine how annoying this is. Is there any update for the board or should I return it and get some other board?
the board will only try to use the igpu if either there is no other GPU detected or it is told to via the bios. If there is an HDMI or DP cable in the igpu that will also trigger the Igpu
@@mikesunboxing Well, I have 4080 and I had i9 10900 and everything worked fine. I bought 7900X with B650 tomahawk and now it doesn't work fine. I am pretty sure that hardware that worked fine on previous machine is not to blame. Cables are the same, monitor is the same, everything is the same except for the board and cpu. edit: I have PEG as primary and no I don't plug display into motherboard, I plug in the 4080 (tried different outputs, even the DP one with DP cable) I only plug the hdmi into motherboard when the computer boots and gives no picture over the GPU. IGPU should be disabled but for some reason it works all the time andprevents 4080 from being the primary display output.
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