‼️ THIS VIDEO IS A CRITIQUE‼️ PLEASE READ THIS COMMENT, THIS IS IMPORTANT: ▪️ALL THE DRAMAS NAME ARE IN THE DESCRIPTION ⬆️ ▪️This video is not only about homophobia but also about heteronormativity. Please, keep that in mind. ▪️I’ll delete any homophobic comment. ▪️I’M NOT COMPLETELY CONDEMNING THOSE DRAMAS : First of all, I’m not saying those dramas did an entire bad job, are completely homophobic or are bad dramas you shouldn’t watch. Please, don’t attack me because your favourite drama is here and don’t attack me for something I didn’t say. There are dramas that I liked in here. But I think it’s important to keep a perspective even on the things you like. Hope you can do the same. ▪️SOME DRAMAS DID BOTH A GOOD AND BAD JOB : For example, I think Prison playbook and the Beauty inside did, overall, a good job. But, where they failed, is when they didn’t condemn homophobic behaviours or used them for humour purposes, for example. 🎬 I also made a video about good representations and about kdramas that did a good job portraying a queer character : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DoNSCtpZmSs.html ▪️This video is very restricted around the representation or gay and lesbians because it’s what happen in kdramas too. ⚠️ THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PICTURING AND PROMOTING HOMOPHOBIA! 🔛 Turn on the English subtitles for more explanations. I recommend you to watch if once without the subs and a second time with the subs on! It'll be easier for you. 🔺I. WHY DOES THOSE DRAMAS ARE HERE? 🔸 Humor purposes: (Vincenzo, Strong woman, the beauty inside, my strange hero..) Gay people or homosexual acts are often used for humor purposes. What’s wrong with it? “Very much offensive prejudices against minority groups are kept and spread within the frame of a joke thanks to the ‘I’m only joking’ fact which allows everyone to be as politically incorrect as they desire.” - Read more here : dialnet.unirioja.es/descarga/articulo/2514259.pdf 🔸Bad representations: (Vincenzo, Record of youth) I made a whole point on this, please read bellow. 🔸Stereotypes: (Strong woman..) ‘LGBT rights activists have fought against fictional representations of LGBT people that depict them as violent and murderous. [...]’ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_stereotypes www.betterhelp.com/advice/stereotypes/stereotypes-definition-and-why-they-are-wrong/ 🔸Not condemning homophobia: (What’s wrong with Secretary Kim) Showing but not condemning homophobia is normalizing it and is equal to say it’s okay to be homophobic. 🔸Homosexuality as something vulgar/scary/funny/disgusting/embarrassing : (My strange hero, He is psychometric...) 🔸Heterosexuality shown as a norm: (True Beauty, Secretary kim and a LOT more) About heteronormativity, please read more down below. 🔸Pseudo-homosexuality: (Coffee Prince...) seoulbeats.com/2012/09/k-dramas-and-pseudo-homosexuality-what-gives/ 🔸Sad ending for homosexuality : (Mr Queen, Prison playbook..) Not the worst but it’s disappointing. The fact that gay people can’t just have a happy ending when every straight couple does is just treating them differently and is equal to say gay people just can’t have their happy ending as everyone else. 🔺II. WHAT IS HOMOPHOBIA AND HETERONORMATIVITY? 🔹 ‘Homophobia’ : “Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. It has been defined as contempt, prejudice, aversion, hatred or antipathy, may be based on irrational fear and ignorance, and is often related to religious beliefs. Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination and violence on the basis of sexual orientations that are non-heterosexual.” (Wikipedia) 🔹“Heteronormativity”: “Heteronormativity is the belief that heterosexuality is the default, preferred, or normal mode of sexual orientation. It assumes the gender binary (i.e., that there are only two distinct, opposite genders) and that sexual and marital relations are most fitting between people of opposite sex. A heteronormative view therefore involves alignment of biological sex, sexuality, gender identity and gender roles. Heteronormativity is often linked to heterosexism and homophobia. The effects of societal heteronormativity on lesbian, gay and bisexual individuals can be examined as heterosexual or "straight" privilege.” (Wikipedia) “Why Heteronormativity Is a Bad Thing?” : www.teenvogue.com/story/heteronormativity-gender-identity-sexual-orientation 🔺III. WHY BAD REPRESENTATIONS CAN BE HARMFUL? Just look at all the recent successful kdramas, do you see any good and important gay person? Who has an important role, who is important for the plot, who is not just some side character? Who do good things, useful things? Who, at least, is not a bad person? Or, at least, is not useless for the plot? I don’t. Or a very few. It’s important to have more representations of gay people in kdramas if we then want them to see them in a villain role. To not portray something or to only poorly portray it have consequences. And when it’s a matter of human rights, it’s not okay. - More here : everything500390422.wordpress.com/2021/03/16/why-is-vincenzo-episode-8-homophobic/ (at the end of the article, I think it explain well what I tried to say) 🔺IV. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PROMOTING AND PICTURING HOMOPHOBIA: Picturing something you’re willing to denounce is actually okay and even a good thing. Some kdramas did that very well (Run on, Move to heaven.. You can found them in my video menstionned above). But the ones included here promoted homophobia one way or another. Promoting homophobia or heteronormativity is encouraging it, reinforcing it and this is done in different, subtle and maybe unconscious ways (read point I.). Perpetuating stereotypes, using homosexuality for humour purposes.. is promoting homophobia and encouraging it. - Queer Representation in Film and Television : mediasmarts.ca/digital-media-literacy/media-issues/diversity-media/queer-representation/queer-representation-film-television - Media Representations of Homosexuality : pdc.ceu.hu/archive/00001509/01/Media_representation_of_homosexuality.pdf 🔺V. CLARIFICATIONS ABOUT SOME DRAMAS : (I’ll put links to articles because they are well detailed, please read them) 🔹 Strong Woman : www.kdramafighting.com/2017/03/homosexuality-k-dramas-and-mixed-bag-of.html 🔹Vincenzo: The problem is not Vincenzo’s reaction but how the only gay character of the entire show was portrayed. everything500390422.wordpress.com/2021/03/16/why-is-vincenzo-episode-8-homophobic/ 🔹The Tale of Nokdu / Coffee Prince (+ You’re beautiful / To the beautiful you / Sunkyunkwan Scandal) : seoulbeats.com/2012/09/k-dramas-and-pseudo-homosexuality-what-gives/ & www.scmp.com/magazines/style/leisure/article/3036411/sungkyunkwan-scandal-and-4-other-korean-drama-series-which 🔹Mr Queen : dreamingsnowflake2013.tumblr.com/post/643211967313608704/not-only-is-the-ending-of-mr-queen-terrible & the review of this person on Mr Queen : mydramalist.com/profile/anjelle/reviews
You said the right things, sometimes even in the drama you can see that for example a guy accidentally kisses another guy and people start laughing, I think this is not funny and therefore according to them when they kiss two guys accidentally makes you laugh but not funny, when I see homophobic people I don't understand why they are💔😭 Hai detto delle cose giuste, a volte anche nei drama si vede che per esempio un ragazzo da per sbaglio un bacio a un altro ragazzo e le persone si mettono a ridere, io credo che questo non faccia ridere e quindi secondo loro quando si baciano due ragazzi per sbaglio fa ridere ma non fa ridere , quando vedo delle persone omofobe non capisco perché lo siano💔😭
Very well made. Congratulations to you for being successful at making this so eye-opening and easy to understand why these portrayals are wrong/ unjustifiable. 👍👍👍👍👍
Finally someone is talking about this so many k dramas have indirect homophobic themes also straight people making gay jokes is so offensive, I've also come across come across dramas that made money solely by queerbaiting and using queer people to add humor
one thing that infuriates me is when the ONLY queer character in a movie or tv show is shown as the villian, perverted and abusive. ive seen a lot of cis het people trying to defend this notion by saying "atleast ur getting representation" which is so messed up because media and the things you watch influence so much of ur thinking and ideas. Growing up I hardly saw any good queer representation in mainstream media and the representation that was there it was so streotyped and bad that i grew up thinking that being queer was bad and it took me a long time to accept my queer identity. the internalized homophobia that i have affects my daily life so much that sometimes i have to physically tell myself that there is nothing wrong with me being queer . this internalised homophobia would not have been there if i had seen good queer representation in mainstream media. so whoever says that "you guys are already allowed to be gay how much more can you want" needs to STFU. the "rights" some of us have are the BARE MINIMUM . A lot of us can still be legally killed or imprisoned for just existing you dont get to tell us what rights we deserve or dont.
Before I even see the video, I just gotta say that I’m glad that Vincenzo is on this list. I remember not just watching the episode but also seeing reaction vids, and for some reason people kept shipping/fangirling over the “gay” relationship where Vincenzo was pretending to be attracted to the gay abusive piece or garbage. First of all: why is the one gay character we have happen to be an abusive pervert? Not saying that there can’t be gay villainous roles, but when they ONLY play that role just like when other minorities get stuck with a certain role: that sends an explicit message. (There are plenty of other kdramas that have gay/crossdressing men as villainous roles and they’re always perceived to have mental problems) Secondly: it’s like people suddenly forgot he was the villain of the episode the moment they showed some fan service. He’s toxic and abusive towards all his past lovers, how are people suddenly blind to this just cause of a few “cute” shots of the two guys together?! I’ve seen some edits on RU-vid where they’ve made this “couple” a ship and it just bothers me so much.
Exactly !! I loved the drama but I had two major problems with it and one was that scene. I remember people talking about that horse riding scene before I started it and felt happy that they did that and when I watched it with context I was really angry :( Making the ONLY gay character abusive is one thing but then also clearly „queerbaiting“ fans with those date scenes sucks. Not related to the video but I‘m still mad about it is the way they handled jang hanseo. Letting a victim of abuse die through his abuser is terrible and disgusting. His death was pointless and he deserved his happy ending more than any other character. In general the way most Kdramas handle abuse and stuff like that is still too insensitive and often normalized
@@Ami-333 I felt Jang Hanseo so much. If I had been in my prior domestic abuse situation I don't know I think that scene would have broke me. I mean we didn't even get to see his funeral. We didn't get to see the main leads grieve over him. He constantly had no-one surrounding him who was there for him.
i also kinda want to mention how weird Vincenzo was acting when having to pretend that he's interested in a man. it's kinda hard to tell if it's purely because he's a man or because of other factors which made the guy absolutely vile and disgusting (it was also something that was affecting Vincenzo personally) but to me his reaction and reluctance felt like it has more to do with Minsung just simply being a man... like in the show Vincenzo had plenty situations when he had to act as someone else to get what he needs and so it felt very unnecessary that his reaction to having to seduce a man was so exaggerated and he really had to force himself to go through with it... but like i said this is more ambiguous since it was affecting him and his family so yeah. still, there was no need for that imho; they could've handled it better.
@@xxmoonlightshadexx1798 I blocked the channel and deleted the comments of the person you were replying to. They were making homophobic comments under almost all the comments of the video..
@@marietb Good thing you blocked them. Anyways, fantastic and eye-opening video as always! I hope you can make more of these videos that create awareness of these problems not only seen in K-Dramas but also in real life.
Also bringing this up, the way do bong soon's mom promotes something like conversion therapy towards the male lead, convincing do bong soon that if she becomes more flirty or something with the male lead maybe he would have a change of mind and maybe start liking girls
@@moonshinee3260 me too, but i hated more the way the show handled her abuse... I haven't watched it recently so my memory isn't very fresh, but the way he was scared of her, and the way they laughed it off... The people responsible have no excuse 🤢 I hope they apologize, though I doubt they will
Everytime I see someone looking disgusted about homosexuality or someone being relieved about the fact that the other person is not gay, I just wanna fight them. It's also extremely infuriating to see shows in which the only gay character is a villain. Often times, even if I liked these dramas, homophobia showed in there would be the 1st thing I think of when the drama is mentionned.
@@plazma7778 If they are disgusted at homosexuality, it means they are homophobic, and homophobics, just like racists, shouldn't explicitly portray their disdain towards a group, as it's hurtful nor deny people the right to be who they are as it goes against the principles of human rights. Hope you understand it!!!!
I will never get over how they play the ending of Mr. Queen off as a happy ending when in reality two people who loved each other were separated by centuries, never to return again. Hell, Bong Hwan didn’t even get to see their child born
@@lawfulhusbands i kind of disagree, to the king the person he fell in love with was a woman he truly didn't believe him when he said he was a man, bong hwan however definitely cared about the king in a romantic way of some sort, although the drama did imply he was affected by the original's queen emotions ( with her dad too and cousin) so it really ambitious, especially that he most likely wouldn't have fallen for him if he wasn't in her body, so I don't think it was happy/sad ending I think it was the most logical ending.
@@lawfulhusbands no. The king had no idea that the queen wasn’t a woman and the chef was influenced by the queen’s emotions. So they were both very straight.
@@kilincisa493 mmm "both very straight" that is very much assuming sexuality right there and the fact you said it in the comments of this vid is just disrespectful. The person you responded to, also shouldn't have tried to put labels to it, too, btw so don't come at me saying I have a double standard. The entire bit about Bong Hwan being affected by the queens emotions might be what caused the love to happen in the first place, but at the end of the day Bong Hwan very much loved the king and that's why he was crying over him and frantically making sure he survived. Also he really really felt those natural emotions towards their child and you aren't just going to forget that was how you felt. It also doesn't matter if the king knew the queen had the soul of a man in her or not. He fell for Bong Hwan and all his chaos, perseverance, and funny words. Pretty sure the male soul/female body combo qualifies "Mr. Queen" as not cisgender btw and the king doesn't need to consciously label himself or think any differently of himself for liking another human
@@kilincisa493 "both very straight"??? The king fell in love with Mr. Queen because of their personality and discovered truths all the way regarding their association and plot. The chief and king did indeed develop romantic feelings for each other and this goes all away when he is left with the queen and the child. Naturally there would be drastic change in personality because OG queen only learned her cussing side?? Bi, pan and omni people exist??? They can fall for people beyond their gender identity as well.
This video was need of the hour. As someone who really enjoys kdrama, I often find its homophobic/ heteronormative story lines and character representation uncomfortable.
I hate it when they use LGBTQ+ characters like that in an inappropriate way , most of the times gay men are there only to show that the male lead is very desirable, like tf!
and there are some hypocrites that say that they are ok with homosexuality and gays and that they have no problem with it and they are very supportive and all but they don't want anyone from their family to be of that particular community or else they won't except it and worst are the ones that don't even acknowledge anything as homosexuality , according to them it doesn't exist and those who say they are gay must have been bewitched or something very hypocritical of them
Yes, my family says they're okay with queer people, but when I came out as a bisexual woman suddenly it was not okay anymore, and even now they keep asking me if I'm still attracted to women or if it was just "a phase" or "weird attraction", oh the hypocrisy
@@tiramisunsun yes it's very difficult to make others understand about homosexuality if they are not willing, in many previous generations as well as many millennials or gen Z also say something because they don't have the proper knowledge about it or they refused to acknowledge it happening in their home btw i am very very proud of you, You are brave don't let anyone sell you otherwise- be happy, be healthy
To me, you're doing a very important job, addressing those issues in k dramas that not many are addressing and even showing examples. Thank you for putting so much research, editing and work into your videos, I'm glad a channel like yours exists.
I find it so insulting when they’ll say « oh he’s gay » and the male lead will make a face like it’s the biggest slur he’s ever been called in his life and act all offended. I want a drama where the male lead says « yeah I am so what? ». Also can we talk about the 0% representation of gay women in kdramas? Like what?
watch come back mister, its shown twisted just like mr. queen but both the actress have such beautiful chemistry between them! I think it's the closest Kdrama mainstream can come in terms of GL...
Mr Queen just MESSED up so bad! It is one of my top fav romcoms because it actually has a very unique plot and not just random lovie dovie and comedy, but the end just showed that they were homophobic because the king didn't even love the real queen!
I dont nesesaringly think it was homophobic, i wish the ending was different but it wouldn't have made any sense for him to stay there forever while his body was still vegatable and the real queen was still locked away. I think they knew that which is why u still had scenes like when the king says it feels different and the man(forgot his name) kinda misses it all.
The world needed this video - I haven't watched all of these dramas, but I for sure noticed it in Love Alarm, Hwarang, and Strong Girl Bong Soon. Thank you for making this!
@@marzipan24 Same here. The story-line, the nice portrayal of Minhyuk's character, the majority of the drama was well-done, except for Bongsoon's mother pushing Bongsoon onto Minhyuk to change how he is, aka being 'gay.' Bongsoon's mom was toxic in so many ways (abusive to her husband and her daughter, treating her son like a king), but the homophobia just pulled it together. Oh! Not to mention Bongsoon saying "Aren't you a man? Why would you watch as a woman fights.. blah blah blah" in the first episode. Bongsoon mirrored her mother in that way, because later on that same episode, her mother said the exact same thing but to Bongsoon's father. Maybe it was intentional, but whatever it was made me feel uncomfortable.
@@ninidear2424 I dropped SWDBS for other reasons. Was he actually gay, or did she just assume? Im gonna guess the latter. I really dont remember that at all. Mustve been in a later episode
@@beatm6948 actually do bong soon asked his secretary why does he wanna hier a woman as body gaurd so he said " he is actually attracted to men " so she did not assume but it's still homophobic
Young Royals on Netflix has the most touching and intriguing gay representation I've seen on screen. It not only gives a unique and necessary telling of the LGBTQ+ youth experience, but this beautiful story provides important representation without perpetuating the harmful stereotypes and tropes of a lot of other LGBTQ+ media. Outside LGBTQ+ representation, Young Royals does an outstanding job of conveying teenagers’ lives in its representation of mental health as well as the autism community.. It's a MUST watch.
by now we have _Heartstopper_ and RW&RB. although the east Asian BL world is full of problematic plots some of them come with good writing and are actually quite enjoyable
funny how what is depicted in K dramas is same as what has been depicted in Bollywood for so many years and it always irritates , angers and annoys me that how ignorant and rude and cruel people are towards homosexuality infact in one of the bollywood movie there is a song based on the way two best male friends behave towards eachothers which goes like "maa ka ladla bigad gaya " which roughly translates to - Mother's dear son has become spoilt / gone bad , and mostly their very touchy scenes are made as humorous 😒
I think asia in general is homophobic. In my country, whenever k pop is mentioned, people go "eww gay". It starts with men making fun of teenage girls for liking k-pop(misogyny) and homophobia is so commonplace among men that it's regarded as "a guy thing". And so we get a large group of women and girls who seem to think that they are "quirky" or "not like other girls" for being homophobic (especially towards gay men) ,but i guess it's only in my country bcuz I've never heard other people mention it.
This channel is a gem. I have never seen this type of videos at other channels. Most of them wrote "Hate but Love relationship" or "He fall in love with girl he bullied". Never seen healthy and toxic difference. Never seen honesty. Thanks you so much
Me trying to read the subtitles, drama name, and your captions while watching the video at the same time is taxing, but worth it. I don't know whats wrong with me lol. Kudos to another informative and creative video! It's time people started being aware of this.
To be honest,I was thinking about how homosexual characters were potrayed in dramas and movies(not only k dramas).I felt like how odd it was to potray them as insignificant or obsessive or something only to be laughed at.this really disturbed me.Thank you so much for making this.this is both beautiful and eye opening.your drama choice is also on point.there are some of my favorite dramas but still disappointing about this matter.I thought I was overreacting or overthinking.but your video proves that I wasnt.I wish this picture changes even if it taks time.Thank you once again💜.
I must say that I came across your vids a few weeks ago and they are amazing. Thank you for using your skills to raise awareness of issues we face in the world. I may be a teen but you in’s me. Thank you and never stop what you are doing
Reminder set. 37 hours and another masterpiece will be out. Also.. You open my eyes for some things I haven't noticed before or haven't thought much about. Thank you 🤗
FINALLY we talking about this. i’m so glad to see you using your channel for SAY and spread awareness! i’m tired of this type of “representation” in kdramas and we have to stay talking about how wrong is.
Same I was just thinking that, after watching that scene it hUrT and the ending made me confused because they just sent the guy back and brushed over it like they were rushing not to make it a BL I was like bRUH, not how I expected it to end tbh
Mr. Queen is the closest we can get to Boy's love and please come back mister is the closest we can get to girl's love in the terms of a real true love story of the leads in the mainstream! Well, we do have Korean BL but it still has a long way to come!
@@marietb yeah the ending did not do the justice but what I am saying is, this is the closest a kdrama has ever shown Bl in a mainstream/famous series, which is sad :( anyways, waiting for your new video :)
I read through the whole pinned comment and I thought this channel deserves to be subscribed. What you have shown here is very important and much needed for people even within the LGBTQIA+ community to realize that everyone is valid. I got to learn many things here today and I hope you continue doing the same. Much Thanks!
I've been waiting for thiiis. We've addressed that most kdramas normalize violent dating behaviors, victim blaming and now finally the homophobia. istg idk how many times I've seen the lgbtq+ community being made a joke. From variety to dramas, the way they passive aggressively show disinterest is just disappointing.
I just started Vincenzo yesterday. I am currently in ep5 and I am so so so glad that I watched this video. I can't believe that they went w a plot like that. Normally I am OK with queer characters being evil or villians but this is different. First of all Vincenzo has no queer characters other than him and showing that gay men are a way of humor and always bothering straight men is just so problematic. Like wtf? I am not gonna keep watching the show. Because if I do that I will feel like I am betraying my community. I must be so damn lucky that I've found your channel. Your videos are amazing and topics you've brought awareness are *chef's kiss* I realized that kdramas are bad at representing the LGBTQIA+ community when I first started watching them (especially strong woman). I am OK w no representation but I am not OK with problematic/homophobic representation. Thanks for this informative video.
I was so done with Vincenzo. He’s supposed to be this cold, heartless mafia consigliere but can’t STAND the idea of getting close to and wooing a target just because he’s a guy. It’s so stupid. Get over yourself dude.
okay honestly , earlier I’ve for sure felt strange about these things happening in the dramas but things got pretty clear and up to the point after I’ve watched this !! thanks , what you’re doing is amazing people need to be educated and shown the damn difference YOU GO HUMAN !!
The king's affection could be in this list. It's so sad that we're in 2023 and we still need to talk about prejudice, freedom of love and the basic human rights to love anyone. Thank you so much for your edition, it's gold. ♥
And these days they're also using the bromance thing as a trap, bromance has always been there ofc but I feel like these days the directors or creatives are going on another level just because of the fujoshi/fudanshi fans. They won't show them as a couple but they'll give us countless moments that gives couple vibes or makes us ship them. and if you say anything, they'll be like, oh its just your mind, we're just showing normal bromance.
First of all, I have to say I'm so thankful for this Your editing skills are incredible and now you used them for awareness which is amazing thank you so much for your beautiful edits I truly appreciate all of them And I still don't understand why they do this I mean now that they are more open to bring LGBT characters to their shows or even make Bl series they need to write a good storyline for these characters too and even now they use the huge bromances in the shows to get viewers like they put so many moments that would make people ship the characters with the same gender to go and watch the show but then at the end they just make it straight I mean I don't understand just to get more views they just easily do that
The only drama In my opinion that portrayed mlm is "she would never know" in that too its the plot about the supporting cast ...the ML sister is married to a doctor and they even have a 6year old child and then the wife founds out that his husband had been intimate with his best friend in his college days and then he shut his frnd out of his life cuz he felt dirty ....then the wife divorces him and encourages him to listen to his heart and makes him feel normal ..and that she'll always love him,be it as a frnd ...and the fact that this plot was not used as comical relief but a actually shown with some intesity and seriousness is just ❤️
Thanks for this video, I'm european and some of my friends tolerate homophobia in kdramas because they think it's "it's just another culture" and I can't agree (even if, at first, I tried to apply this argument when I was watching shows) because homophobia is not a culture, it never has been. I can't really enjoy k-dramas because of all the misrepresentation in them and it sucks because I like some of them, the plot seems interesting and all but sometimes it blocks me.
this is one of your best videos and it’s literally perfect, it’s nice to see but it has a meaning and SHOWS it. I love how you’re spreading awareness with your videos!
Thank you so much for making a video like this. It’s really incredible that this is the first acknowledgment I’ve seen on the internet on how kpop dramas abuse homosexuality. Now I love kdramas and I will probably love them for a long time, but I’ve actually stopped watching well regarded dramas like Strong Girl BongSoon and Vincenzo because I (who identifies as queer) have felt so uncomfortable and almost attacked by the way the LGBTQ+ community was portrayed. I really hope as a new generation of filmmakers starts creating in Korea that we see a shift in these horrendous tropes because it really saddens me to have so many amazing pieces of tv be successful at the expense of a already incredibly mistreated and misrepresentation group of people.
I really wish there was a Kdrama about a trans or lgb character where they learn to love themselves and the people who accept them it'd be such an emotional thing to watch for me since and both non-binary and bi
Finally! Someone is pointing this out! It sort of always bothered me this overly comedic approach of anything other than heterosexual relationships in kdramas but only recently I've realized why it bothered me so much and how negative and unhealthy almost toxic it is. As always thank you for bringing up these topics.
I love how you use your awesome editing skills to address all these taboo hardly addressed topics that are actually so prevalent in popular kdramas 👏🏼 love it!!
As a lesbian being a fan of KPOP, K-Dramas and Korean variety shows I get hurt a lot of times. Thanks to your video I feel heard and not alone anymore. It hurts so much to see two man kiss (as a joke)and everyone goes like "🤮🤮🤮". B.I. (formerly of IKON) even went as far to call his mother and to tell her he is gay as a joke. My struggle and my discrimination is not a base for your comedy.
Ahhh thank you for including scenes where people ask the males if they have a girlfriend yet and vice versa! It's such a bad habit society has, but not many people recognize that this should be changed. It's sad in how many dramas heteronormativity shines through, and even worse how the LGBTQ+ folks are either portrayed as villainous and perverted or just the comedic relief. I like some good bromance, especially when toxic masculinity is thrown out the window, but just as friends who are very comfortable with eachother. Some scenes and dramas however take it too far solely for fan service and it disappoints me so much
First of all, how I have not found this video sooner?? (I will also watch the other one you posted but you mentioned to watch this one first! 😁) and honestly THANK YOU for showing all the stuff that literally pisses me off in kdramas. I refused to watch Vincenzo because I had seen the fan videos and was excited at first until I saw the comments of how the gay character us portrayed and I did even more research and yeah, the 1 gay character is shown to be problematic and abusive. Wow. And you even showed Mr. Queen. 😭 I went on such a rant for that show and how they basically "No Homo" the ending with BH when HE actually fell for the King but he did not get to stay!! Let alone meet him in the future! Everyone's: "Oh CJ should meet him in the future as a women to complete the cycle" irritated me so much because, why? CJ and BH can't meet as two guys and fall in love??? And don't even get me started on fact that other fans of the show can't even see a relationship between them without BH being in SYs body. Like. Come on! Anyway, thank you again for this. I hope people see it and realize that maaaaybe they should learn more and do better for themselves and others in their medias and how they treat people in real life.
there's this kdrama from 2010 called Life is Bonita, which portrays the story of a gay couple very well. I recommend it to everyone , as I never see it in the videos :(
Life is Beautiful is the best representation of a gay couple during its time. I cry so much watching the series. Everybody did well in their part, especially the step-mother. Her acting was phenomenal.
thank you for making this vid. And thank you also for including Mr. Queen, I was a fan of that series but the ending made me go WTF?! lolol The ending was so disappointing
I love how your using your platform to raise awareness!!! like Vincenzo is my favorite K-drama but it literally got me so mad, how bad they were portraying a gay character
Finally someone is talking about it... To be honest I dropped Vincenzo after that part :( I felt personally attacked and disgusted by the "queer representation" (not like we can call it that) I literally cried out of frustration and felt so angry on that episode. I don't care if Vincenzo is a great drama overall, that part alone made me feel so uncomfortable that I will never recommend this drama to anyone.
Vincenzo is a comedy drama, and some of the characters are exaggerated and stereotypes, and it is true that many gays act effeminate. why cannot be they the villains, there are also bad gays, bad people, the values have nothing to do with the sexual preferences, and the villains in this drama are a little ... like humor
I literally watched Strong Girl Bong Soon like 2 days ago, and everytime there was something homophobic a part of me just wanted to scream! Like, we are not material for comedy. (I was actually wondering if you had a video on homophobia in K-dramas xD) Also like, portraying the "stereotypes" even if it's just comedy negatively reinforces all the bad things people assume about minorities and I wish people would just understand that.
Thank you so much for your videos. They are informative and I really hope entire k-drama audience either realize this by themselves or get to watch your videos and learn. Everyone needs to learn about this. Great work💜
First, Thank you for making this💜💜💜💜💜💜💜 So many straight friends don’t understand why I need to take a break from kdramas now and then. This is why!!! The gender dysphoria is real😿😿😿😿
Btw here's a recommendation Love is science, it's a straight drama but there's a side gay and lesbian ship, though the lesbian ship didn't actually was given much footage but still they included it and none of the characters are homophobic they just support the side ships and i love that, if you want something straight but gay too, that's the best choice btw it's a Taiwanese drama
I dislike when is always a joke also I am so disappointed with strong women bong and mr. Queen because I really love those dramas. Thanks for the video it had to be said
You did a great job editing this👍👍👍people should really get educated about this too...I myself is also learning about this slowly and believe that the minorities should also be treated equal with respect n love. This was very eye opening and also loved how you described it in the comment section❤❤keep making these amazing videos💜💜💜
I love Vincenzo and it hurts me to see the implicit homophobia in it. But it was obvious while I was watching the show. To this day I've not seen good representation of the LGBTQ community in any Korean media except for a webtoon called Free Throw, where a stereotypical gay character does what he normally does in K-dramas: approach the male character provactively and act very sexually, but instead of being disgusted the characters talk to him about his sexuality, accept him and help him get the help he needs. It's great.
Thank you! I get absolutely annoyed when I see stuff like this. Strong woman bong soon was a good drama but I couldnt watch it anymore when I started noticing how they were straight up making fun of homosexuality. Kdramas always do this. I think only a few dramas have normalised it and I love them for being thoughtful enough to give a good representation. The woman dressing up as a man, and them falling in love. The guy thinking he's gay but ends up glad he's not. It's annoying and so cliche. However in coffee prince, I remember how Gong Yoo's character said he doesn't care what the gender was, that he will like 'him' no matter what. But yet they had to make it "safer".
Finally i found a channel where someone is taking all of this seriously.someone had to talk about it so you did first.its impressive.❤️❤️❤️❤️ I watched all of your videos on the topics which we all talk about.somewhere we all were ignoring it and it was there.keep it up.yout hardwork is not going in vain for sure.people will learn❤️❤️
You have done a great job in making this video 👏👏👏 Before I thought that replying or correcting or even engaging in a conversation with the bigots was a waste of time and energy, but now I will reply back because if I don't then they'll think that it is okay to say stuff like that. Thank you for making me see the world a little differently 👏🙏
I would really thank you couse i didn't know all those things were signal of homophobia, im glad in every vid you made you taught to people what was wrong. Ily and keep going🤍
Stoppppp, this is INCREDIBLE!!!😍😍😍THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS MESSAGE OUT THERE! The amount of effort and thought you put into this video is palpable, which I am so thankful for🙏🏼. As a half-Asian person, I fully understand that the majority of Asian cultures still have a long way to go in terms of being more progressive, inclusive and supportive of the LGBTQ+ community. However, it still upsets me that so many dramas and movies are portraying non-heterosexuality in a negative/unfair light. I personally read/watch BL; although I am happy that these relationships are getting more recognition, many of the plots and characters are still heavily dramatised and exaggerated to the point where they don’t even seem remotely realistic anymore. Additionally, it also makes me so sad when homosexuality is used as a gimmick or joke in dramas. Why, oh why, must these characters become so offended and defensive if they are asked whether or not they are gay? The double standard (i.e. getting no/little reaction when asking if someone is straight) is also unfortunate. Overall (after this long speech😅), I just love this video so thank you for making it💜💜
This only the 2nd video I've seen of yours and I'm already smitten by your editing skills, also it's the 2nd time I cried on your videos. First was your amazing message at the end one of your video saying I wasn't abnormal and 2nd now, just through these edits. Amazing!
I liked your video before watching it, thanks for highlighting important issues in kdramas. Lately I've found it hard to watch kdramas because of all the issues you've talked about in your videos. Have you thought about making a video about colourism in kdramas?
English is not my mother tongue, so I have to search every word I don't know in your video to make sure I don't mistake anything. Thank you for your contribution. Most informative and eye-opening video so far.
I BEG U TO READ!!! Your next video should be about racism and stereotypes. Example: the penthouse scene where everytime Eun Byeols dad got beat up the thugs were only black, the scene where Logan lee's twin brother in penthouse dressed as famous black South African gangster, making Europeans seem higher class in kdramas, saying that darkskin is ugly (very common in dramas) labelling 1 country worst then the other (example in Hate to love you it labeled America higher class then China), labelling as 1's background, the the korean movie "commitment" the classmates think the leads sister is attractive but make fun of the lead guys sister for looking half koreans and half chinese while throwing racial slurs (please check reply)
2. Simply forgiving 1 person after finding out their background (sterotypes) example in Boys Over Flowers/ Meteor garden when the parents forgive daoming si for bullying shanghai just because hes from a higher class background then they are, taking 1 responsibility as another, example being the kdrama Heirs. (Sterotypes) showing a lower class person working for a higher class person, considering it normal to be treated badly since you are a lower class and you are just considered a "servant" to the person. Taking full advantage of the situation, telling a close one to get close to the higher class person since they are rich, without being full of aware if the person they are telling to do that is interested or not. HOPE U TAKE MY IDEA!!!
Tbh I have been watching kdramas for years now and I remember at the beginning I was kinda put off by the fact that they said kinda homophobic things but it was back before I was even well educated in the lgbtq+ community so I kinda just forgot about it. It became a normal thing that happened when I watched kdramas and it would just go over my head. I want to thank you for making this because it really opens up my eyes to the problems in these kdramas. I hope Korea can fix these things because even the littlest things can help. I’m so happy that the Korean entertainment industry is becoming more excepting and that we are even getting Korean bl’s now. Though we still have a long way to go, I really hope that the problems can be addressed and changed in the future and I am looking forward to a more lgbtq+ friendly Korean entertainment industry.
I waa really skeptical about vincenzo but you did a good job. You took the exact scenes. It's amazing. I have another video idea if you would like to need an idea.
No one's doing it like you! I desperately wait for your edits because I know it will not only engage my Kdrama fangirl side but also my intellectual side into thinking and reflecting upon things. I have come to love everything you post. Being a part of this community it really was a huge thing to see you address this topic of Heteronormativity and homophobia in Korean media. Love your editing skills!!! 💙🌈
Gosh seeing all of this together made me so uncomfortable, its so frustrating, im glad you made this video cause we need to start calling this out more and not letting slide those kids of potrayals of lgbt+ characters cause thye're not even doing the bare minimum
Finally someone made it. Btw if you want to watch some Gay kdrama's that are really very nice watch Life Is Beautiful, Reply 1997, Love With Flaws, Just freinds and even Nevertheless. I just love when someone add positive perspective towards LGBTQIA+ in kdrama kpop.
I felt really bad for the future guy in Mr. Queen. He was the one the King fell in love with and still to maintain heteronormativity, the writers brought back the spirit of the original Queen. And everytime there’s a show the heroine cross dresses in, the hero always has a panic about it and there’s these ‘comedic’ bits where everyone’s talking about how he might be gay. The only show I’ve seen which dealt with the same trope well was Rowoon’s character in The King’s Affection. He’s shown as having a crush on the Crown Prince since the beginning and when he finds out that it’s a woman, he’s like ‘oh?’ And Just goes with it.
God I got so excited everytime you announce new videos and they're all so amazing too you're just great. Thanks a lot for doing these hoping more people come across these masterpieces
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