Multilevel Marketing: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) 

Pretty much a general principle - if you have to ask whether something is legit, most of the time it really isn't! (e.g. scam/phishing messages)

Yes, I remember my old boss used to tell us not to go on RU-vid and watch these videos that pretty much exposed the whole business, he would talk about how “it’s just the haters, the naysayers, stay positive, don’t listen to that”. They had me for 7 months, then I went to a leadership meeting in Houston, and I decided to do more research. I found the videos and realized that everything I felt about the company wasn’t me being “negative” it was true and they were basically brainwashing us. One of the worst experiences of my life. It messed with my mental health, but I was able to pick up the pieces, I found a stable job and I am grateful I came across those videos.

Except you don’t have a boss in an MLM, you’re an independent contractor. I can probably guess the industry you’re in… is it fast food?

Exactly! MLM reps are constantly trying to explain why they are not a scam or pyramid scheme. No legitimate opportunity or business would have to defend themselves that way. It’s a huge red flag!

@@MidnightAndLuna they have to explain why it’s not a pyramid because retards like you keep thinking it’s a pyramid. Even though the FTC DNB and BBB say they aren’t. They do it because you guys are uneducated and you come from school/job backgrounds. Not business backgrounds.

Good for her for noticing where to draw the line with the selling stuff, albeit a bit late. She recognized the products aren't selling themselves and expiring and then the "friend" basically introduced her the illegal method.

@@cheesecakelasagna Absolutely, good on her :-)

props to her. most ppl who get to the point of losing all their invested money dont have the guts she has to draw the line at recruiting more people

Don’t believe in God but yes I agree.

@@cheesecakelasagna Yes, very impressed with her.

Do u think Andrew Tate thing is a MLM as well

Congratulations on dodging a major bullet

@@Dom-bn1ru Yes 100%

@@Dom-bn1ru andrew tate is the dumbest fucking most asshole guy in the world. Hitler was more tolerable than him

This is what this entire world is built on my friend. Scamming the next person you see.

I'm getting flashbacks to the truck episode with those negative paychecks - actually, never mind, sounds pretty fitting too!

Please do some business research then re-read your comment. It’s quite a hilarious display of your incompetence

@@ValFatherTime You make no sense

@@BangMaster96 what makes no sense? Maybe you have reading comprehension issues .

@@ValFatherTime Your comment makes no sense, as in "you're blurting out nonsense" You have basic comprehension issues

It's what escorts and call girls are to prostitutes and whores.

No. On the other hand, most currencies are pyramid schemes, but no one seems to notice or care. I wonder why that is.

Boris Paing the fuck are you on about

@@boris5950 Pyramid Scheme: "a form of investment (illegal in the US and elsewhere) in which each paying participant recruits two further participants, with returns being given to early participants using money contributed by later ones." I don't really know or care what your point is about money, but money fits nowhere into the definition of pyramid scheme. No ones going to listen to you if you're arguement is effectively "This term is bad so it must apply to this thing i don't like."

@@sexychick70325 from where i'm from we call it a "bubble". It's basically something "too good to be true" and you know it will eventually "burst"

Where?

What's the old Truman quote? "the buck stops here"?

@@jhui604 21:25

I'm sure you're getting unemployment now right ? She must have sucked lol

That documentary Betting On Zero is available on youtube

Some individuals even set up booths around campuses and ask students if they're looking for work to sign up for a job interview appointment. They have you meet up at a Starbucks and then tell you that they can help you start your own business. All they need is a valid credit card for collateral before they can ship you the products you'll be selling for them - this happens all the time especially during bad economic times.

Just curious, how is that professor doing now?

@@andyyipster haven't heard from him anymore. on linkedin, he's still listed as "autonomous lecturer", which I reckon is just codeword for "unemployed stuck in a pyramid scheme". None of my colleagues mentioned they were contacted by him with this bullshit.

Yes you did, now spread the word to others, send the link to everybody you know and encourage them to do the same.

Same with me almost got caught up in a financial mlm

gosh it was amway that almost got me too!! glad you and your husband saw the signs before you could get scammed!!

@@sandata glad you didn’t either. We dodged a bullet

What made you think Amway wasnt a piramid scheme at first? Like didnt they tell you that you could make a lot of money by signing other people up?

Collin Porterfield you lost me after your first sentence lmao. inside sales means no product is being move legitimately. MLMs like lularoe or paparazzi are still scams, but don't technically sell fraudulent products, just shitty ones. they're still pyramid schemes, and suffer from the inside sale problem. 50 is understandable because if your inside sales are nearing overtaking your outside sales, something is clearly wrong. i'm sure 49% would warrant an investigation, too. inside sales on a large scale are essentially "cheating" at being a business, and do not reflect the true market status of the company.

Collin Porterfield Sure but 51% of your profits coming from outside sales as opposed to inside sales is almost impossible to do in these mlm type companies. In order for that to happen you need a really really good product and if you have that then is no point in engaging in these practices in the first place. The whole thing about it is being low effort as in just take a shitty product and try to trick as many people into it with false promises and after that they will do all the work for you while you cash in. These companies will get nowhere even close to 51% outside sales because nobody is interesting in buying lipstick from their friends garage etc that is why they depend entirely on inside buying.

Collin Porterfield I guess we found the "Independent Business Owner"

You might want to get "your" grammar usage right before calling other people idiots... But then again, I'm just a stupid American, so what do I know.

USA has a similar guideline, but it's 30%. You need to make 70% of your money or more from selling the product or it is one indication of an illegal pyramid scheme.

Alanna Powell you are the customer

Noam Chomsky maybe?

true but than again if you pay to open a coffe shop are you a customer?

@@zestorm6233 you are the customer of those people that you bought from. If you bought coffee machines from someone, then you are his customer. But if people buy a cup of coffee from your shop, then they are your customers.

@@joyfulness9968 An excellent explanation for someone who clearly needed it.

Sigh... So young. Smh. She *STILL* would've let you 'gash up,' tenderfoot! Truuuuust me. You just don't

... know*

It's never too late, there are 10s of millions of people who reach 18 years old every year. If you were 12 years old when this video was made you are now a primary target.

Do something productive by sending the link to everybody you know and encourage them to do the same.

​@@Whydoyoubanothers fuck outta here with that bullshit lmao. You are the exact kind of scum that OP is advising against

@@carmeloshin Hey "tough" guy, I'll bet you're too scared to come on my podcast to defend yourself. LOL

@carmeloshin I dunno what you said, but your probably a part of the problem rather than the solution. You have the look....if you don't know what that look is...ask if u have a debt, that's not a mortgage, over 5k...u look like you leasing alot

Yeah. and MLM is more of a cult than a business. MLM distributors are brainwashed in to rejecting any sort of disagreements or criticism, and they believe they will be saved one day.

And the same statement can be applied to religious people.

KingOfKings as a former MLM distributor...this is the most powerful statement I've ever heard.

They’ve got to take responsibility for their own naivety though, my sympathy is limited when a lot of these people are driven by greed just as much as the companies themselves.

My friend has been dragged into it, the worst part is he doesn't even care if he is doing wrong and BTW he had to pay around 8k to enter "his pyramid" :((

You can taste the bright lights but you won't get them for free... You can have anything you want but you better not take it from me... You're gonna die... Feel my, my, my, my serpentine... It's gonna bring you down! They are upfront about it, technically.

Isn't the line before that something about getting on your knees? Hot damn, that's creepy!

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I thought I was the only one that noticed that 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you killed it

I caught that too. "You wanna know where you are...youre in the jungle, baby. Youre gonna diiiiiiieeeeeeyyyaaaaaaauhhhhh!!"

@@alexmarkadonis7179 ll

That is what pyramid schemes and mlms count on people will buy the product just to support their friend/family.

Same here! She wasn't even my friend. My best friend signed me up for a stupid makeover even though she a) knew I didn't wear makeup and b) didn't know her friend. I felt bad and bought a $20 lotion I was allergic to. I even told said "friend" I was allergic to it and she didn't care. I fucking hate mary kay.

@@sapphiresupernova Wow, that really sucks! And I thought the foundation that doesn't match my skin tone was bad.

Do something productive by sending the link to everybody you know and encourage them to do the same.

@@aaab6054 Exactly. Do something productive by sending the link to everybody you know and encourage them to do the same.

So true. Many warning letters were sent to different companies and MLM's over health claims

I was just thinking this- and tic tok has become a place for free marketing and crazy recruit stories for these schemes. It's terrifying.

What is a nutrition Cafe? Are they selling this stuff in brick and mortar buildings now or is it something else? Thanks. 🙂❤

@@alainab6644 Yes. Brick and mortar nutrition cafés that are recruitment hubs. They have been popping up everywhere. Doesn't say Herbalife outside but inside it is full of Herbalife products. This is just another way to fleece people.

@@curiousculture3415 That is insane! Thanks for letting me know. I had no idea!

Yea, I live in Kansas and when I was in high school I joined the Mormon church (no regrets on that, beyond the fact that I now pretty much think all organized religion is bad... most Christians haven't even read the bible, they just parrot what their church leaders tell them) but even here they're all about their Amway... and I'm just like "uuuh no thanks. But hey, at least you have your ten years of food for when the apocalypse comes, you'll be set."

teapots?

O o f. Maybe find a different state 😬

I'm concerned you have to not only identify but avoid _multiple_ cults in your social sphere. For the low low price of your dignity and immortal soul I have some Essential Oils that'll help you out.

Well, the funny thing is, by the dictionary definition of what a cult is, yes, the Mormon religion IS a cult. So is Lutheran, Protestant, the Church of England, Catholicism, even Christianity itself is a cult by the strictest definition.

My MIL is involved in a vitamin MLM. It's so hard watching a trainwreck happen in front of you and them not listening when you tell them to (leave) get out of the way!

Never heard a better explanation than this!

You do all of it to yourself though..so it's more like vampire gambling.

spongeintheshoe ...Exactly!

"Turn it upside down.." -Frank

But at least as a vampire, you get to do cool shit like climb up walls, float in midair, turn into a bat or wolf, become super strong, and get some kickass sex appeal. When you fall for one of these schemes, you don't even get those. You just become a chump.

well, would you look at that

Yup, welcome to American capitalism, buddy.

Alec Stewart It's actually the exact opposite of American capitalism. That's the problem.

The only difference between an MLM and a pyramid scheme is that an mlm has a real product.

If you have to say your business isn't a pyramid scheme, it's probably a pyramid scheme.

Which MLM was it, and what grade did she get?

I have a similar story of a student inviting people to their place for a "business opportunity". Stayed away.

@@anstef1485 Did you ever find out which MLM it was?

@@Whydoyoubanothers maybe it was amway?

@@Whydoyoubanothers I think she got a good grade because the professor looked impressed. In fact, the whole class seemed impressed. It was some skin care company that I think started with the letter A.

Considering the house advantage over you is something within 3% (i.e. 47 against 53) if memory serves, yeah those casinos are fucking honest businesses compared to MLM companies.

And you at least get free drinks in Vegas, rather than whatever crap you were supposed to be selling.

Basically the only way to make money from an MLM company, or any other pyramid scheme, is by starting your own, then using it to scam other people out of their hard earned money!

I would describe the industry as the wild West but without the sheriff

..and in Vegas, you get free drinks AND usually show tickets, a room, or meals, or something else comped. I don't care for gambling either way but at least if you go in with $500 you know you're getting some entertainment for your net loss.

I quited for the same reason. I was not losing much money, but I remember my "leader" asked me to persuade a girl to join our team and purchase a bunch of products right in the beginning. But she was just a stupid kid with no idea of the responsibility she's gonna carry. At that moment, I just realized its all scam and these people care about nothing but finishing the month with high positive return..

Its a symptom of a bigger problem in this country. No one would be this desperate if we actually took care of our people. Not only that a lot of MLMs are based on wellness and yeah the products could be $40 not work but it's better than going to a doctor and getting sacked with a $100 bill plus prescriptions plus any follow ups. America is broken.

Your comment describes my sister inlaw exactly and I'm trying to convince her she is in a pyramid scheme

On one hand, yeah. On the other hand, I can't feel sorry for the idiot that lost 22.000$. How do you lose that much and only THEN figure it out. He dumb.

You have other options, its about not having education.

If those are like the ones popping up here in Puerto Rico, they're NOT pop-up shops... Herbalife Nutrition Clubs keep popping and bankrupting all the time, even 3-5 in THE SAME BLOCK. Even a Club that closed it is replaced weeks later by ANOTHER Club.

And drugs actually work!

I had a friend who did both. Can confirm he made more selling drugs.

It would be far more ethical too.

And, ironically, at least drug dealing is honest work... the customer is getting exactly what they paid for...

@@fleon4115 😂😂

two of those, brother.

same thing with spanish captions, brother.

Different endings, brother.

Light the fireworks gents and ladies

*Hermano

The key is knowing what you own and getting the best price possible. Falling prices give you the opportunity to lower your average cost. It’s a gift.

The deeper the correction the greater the chances of new positions and hence clarifications.

@@marianparker7502 It'S not the first time someone had advised on this. I need guide in order to salvage what remains of my DOW stock wrecked by the massive dips. I'll appreciate if I get details with which I can reach Ms Nicole .

SCAM This is a really common scam / spam that uses different accounts to make it look like a conversation. This is all the same guy. Don't contact him or you lose all your money. Flag all of the scam replies and then the original comment as scam/spam.

You make more money selling drugs.

Pimping too

The only proper MLM is Men Loving Men

@@dylanchouinard6141 this comment deserves to be on the top 😤

@@nuggets0717 thanks

Kuhanathan Nerojan go to hell.

Pocahontas lol.. no Need to talk to kids yeah...

Shame on you Kuhanthan for trying to sell network marketing to someone who just barely avoided it by making invalid points. That is perfectly embodied in Pocohontas' comment.

Lonsdaleite Mapping shame on your self whoever... to put the people in trouble by telling on something which u don't even know.. grow up kids.. thus guys is talking just only a company kid.. grow up kids.. my number is there if u can prove me wrong kid. Do u have that guts?

I'm sorry... but you literally just insulted me, called me a child, were redundant, and didn't actually counter my statement. Your response was incoherent. Also, why do I need to call you to prove you wrong? I think your comment embodies why you're wrong.

They are unpaid salesman

Because business owners manufacture and make their own products? Lol Walmart MUST manufacture Tide, Crest, Reebok, PlayStation, etc?

Exactly!

@@MidnightAndLuna “exactly” yet that statement is incorrect 😂😂 This is why so many people fail at MLMs…

Hey i am 18 too i have been watching explanations on MLMs like Shanann Watts' Thrive company she worked for... I still dont get a way of a simple explanation as to why it wont work

@@amanda-us1rt what I know from the MLM interviewer guy that approached me, basically it's like a fountain. The water goes down and pumped back up. Imagine the pouring water is the assets and profits while the pumping water to the top is the profits. So let say, you're the bottom part of the fountain. You got the money but you first need to give it to the CEO which is the top of the fountain. The water is pumped on top then the rest of the water is distributed towards layers and layers until finally you got your share but it's insufficient to make a profit and buy back the assets which intern makes it unprofitable.

I breathe Napalm yup and my friend is in a Vasayo scam. People are so gullible. I bought into it but quit at 300

I breathe Napalm same

You are young and need life lessons? Here is a key one... don’t get you life lessons from this show if you want to have a chance at success.. enjoy it for what it is - moronic comedy with an agenda

Yes. I would include blessing looms/gifting circles/Ponzi schemes too

Annabella Neko Yes absolutely!

He rather do anti trump videos his masters tell him to do

Nightwishmaster Are your replying to jet blacker or me? 😅

@@athousandlives7231 jet blacker, sorry, I was on a weird interface when I made that comment!

HOLY SHIT!

No.. just no...

He and his team are brilliant!

You have my sympathies. Clearly you misunderstand the topic.

I dont find him funny some jokes are tho. I feel the same with Trevor noah

One of the insidious things about this type of marketing is that it also preys on people that genuinely do want to help. For example, my grandmother had multiple strokes and needed intensive 24h care to get back on her feet, and she had one nurse that took on the early care when doctors still weren't sure she'd even survive. And she taught her to eat, to walk, to talk, she reassured my grandfather and helped him navigate expert advise, etc etc - everything you'd want in such a situation. But she also believed she'd help them by selling them weird homeopathic crap that was supposed to produce miracles. Now (somewhat to my surprise) my grandfather was wise to that and simply ignored it. And maybe you can be cynical about this and say the nruse was faking staying committed to helping anyway in the hopes of making a sale later, but when you turn up years later to a funeral and are genuinely devastated by it I'm prepared to give the benefit of the doubt. To me she is a person who desperately wanted to help and a company exploited that to market their crap through her. She's as much a a victim of those scheme as those she drags into it. And that's just not right on any level.

That was written in excellent English. I find it hard to believe that was produced by Google Translate from input German text. In fact, I don't believe it.

You did everything correctly. You told her everything, you tried to help her, she needs to help herself.

Thank you all for your answers 🙏🏻

Awesome translation. Thank you for sharing the story. Thanks Saf ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-N2rlwXhtlY0.html

I remember I got a mail letter from them right after I graduated high school. Went to their “meet up” and bleh. That was not for me. I’m so glad I didn’t buy into it.

I got a letter from them fresh out of high school about their “exciting job opportunity making $40/hr part time”. I feel incredibly validated in my decision to look them up a bit and decide it was too good to be true.

I have cutco stuff. I bought at a trade show. They never pressured us to sell. But they are effing crazy expensive. So that is a scan in itself lol!

"Collage kids" are far too young. That has to be illegal.

I got targeted by them when I graduated high school. I'd never even heard of them or their sister company Vector so I looked them up. I'm glad I did because there was no way I was going to sell anything, much less door to door. That's stupid and dangerous.

That explains it way too much.

Might explain why normal people that join those MLM´s are retarded

May not be politically correct but way too funny not to laugh

That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. The person who made up that lie obviously knew nothing about downs syndrome. And if someone believes that tripe, they deserve to have all their money wasted on an mlm

See this show's video on gene splicing

And you will never have any opportunity in your whole life

roopa v that doesn’t make sense

My aunt said that quote exactly 2 days ago.

Now now, there's nothing inherently wrong with whiteboards. I have a whiteboard and it has never been involved in any business opportunities.

This this is on top in India. We are fighting against this scam. So that people can save their lives and money.

XD

Ah yes, the old “brag to my significant other about how how familiar I am with money by demonstrating I don’t know how basic bank accounts work” method.

I had no idea that was a thing 😂

Hey Dog…good one. You knocked it “outta the park.” Thanks!

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YDsuhUkQmro.html&ab_channel=Bulut%C4%B0%C5%9Fin

Have you contacted everybody you know and provided the Oliver video link? That's one of the best ways to get these scams shut down, educate them.

marcus4489074 A pyramid scheme is selling something that has no tangible product and or value. I'm sorry for your mom she was dumb she didn't fall for a pyramid scheme. she had product she could of sold she just had no business leadership. she could of sold it and made a lot of money but she didn't so your mom failed at business and aiming too high.

I was almost recruited to one of these pyramid schemes during my first year in college. I didn't even know were my friend was taking me at the time. Turns out it was one of the seminars they had every week. The people recruiting me used the second approach. They were hyping me up (you'll be able to help your parents if you earn your own money etc). I thought it was weird that they were asking for a membership fee before joining. The fee was too expensive. I don't remember if these seminars was mandatory but I remember that their schedule was very late. I wouldn't be able to attend classes the next day if I went. (I skipped class after attending that seminar once). The speeches during was too hyped. Thank goodness I said no.

marcus4489074 Yeah, sickening indeed.

Calling someone dumb is not a good way to get a point across... Unless the point is that you have no morals and like to abuse others for self gain. As for the tangible product, having a product is easy anyone can do this, its how you sell the product and in doing so sell the person. For cheap products like this market saturation is the biggest problem therefore they are selling a lie right from the beginning as most people won't want to buy something that is not in a store for obvious legitimacy reasons. And by business leadership the main way to get ahead in such a scheme is to bring others on board creating more losers to turn oneself into a "success" Not to mention the obvious fact that when you join you are carrying the people who joined before you. So when it comes to such a scheme, the only "winner" is the one who founds a scheme not the ones who join another's scheme. Yes that's right, someone wants you to join their (marketing, advertising business that is about selling not advertising or marketing) Reply to them that you would rather them join your own business doing the same thing and that they are lucky as they are getting in on the ground level. What does the business sell (literally anything you want, for instance ali express has tons of cheap products easily available to be "re-sold" at huge increases in price. Then you take a cut of all their sales profits and so on with new members and now you are truly your own boss... Only it costs your soul and the chance to call yourself a human being, but why worry about these things when you are eating fine foods in a fancy home while your "customers" pay for your lifestyle with their livelihoods...

The problem isn't the ability to work from home. It's the inability to not work from home

to soon buddy

Yeah, that didn't age well :)

Now it's more desirable than ever.

I wouldnt mind it if I could

Linda Rebecca my family are in one I agree

seize the means of production

b h

My buddy fell for erbalife. He tried to reel me in among some other people including family and neighbors. The meeting at the cafe was so cringy!! It was him and some good looking girl meeting with me, I think she was the one that tricked him into it. The meeting was a red flag from the get go since they were trying to sell me a dream or some emotions. The lady was asking me questions like what are some things in your life that are not going well? Do you have any haters in your life? What would you say to to those haters if you ever make it? And of course the whole meeting made its way round to her telling me selling through erbalife would make all the bad things in my life go away and that I will tell the haters off as I drive off in a beemer. Pure scam. So I basically said I dont make any big decisions like buying 1000 package or get into a new job without thinking it over for at least one day, and I go the fuck out of there.

Marie Carter

You shouldn't feel guilt from those pieces of shits. It's just plainly psychological manipulation

It’s a shame they’re trying to take advantage of you. I hope you blocked them or they left you alone at this point.

Timeshares are an even bigger scam now.

Yes, they do indeed and my mother is a victim too.

@@hexostatus4658 I know, I watch many of them. This show is aired on television and can get the message to a different audience.

Have you ever used their products or you just lazy uninformed hater

@@SusieQSydney oh, you want me to have bought and used overpriced products from the... 50+ MLMs out there? ma’am, please watch this video again.

My sister is the same way. I tried pointing it out over and over and it does no good. She hangs on every word these scammers say.

It is the “dream” that they all convinced to be a member. And if a recruiter touches people’s heart, ambition, emotionally they will join with you no matter what. No matter what it cost. And that’s the problem, ALL MLM companies are giving people fake hopes & dreams. Only the Top 10 will succeed in a Bad way by pleasing people’s money, begging them to join, convincing people till they trust you. Giving people fake hopes & dreams is not good. It’s bad. It’s sad because i was there. I’ve been there done that. Please spread the truth, share the facts even though it’s hurtful but it is still a *Fact.*

They use actual psychological manipulation techniques that were discovered in the past from research that was funded by governments and marketing/advertising moguls to find out how to influence the subconscious through advertising and other techniques to trick the brain into being interested. Its pretty shady stuff when you really think about it

You might want to show her this documentary ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-He1bgJ0sqtw.html

@@bennettdejoya2 I've been wanting to but I know the second she reads the title she will automatically dismiss it. I've been trying to find a way to get her to watch it as it's a awesome documentary

What's a pyramid scheme?

@Scott you are the worst.

hahahaha... ziggurat (in ancient Mesopotamia) a rectangular stepped tower, sometimes surmounted by a temple. Ziggurats are first attested in the late 3rd millennium BC and probably inspired the biblical story of the Tower of Babel (Gen. 11:1-9).

Nice!

@@IR240474 If I went to Iraq today, could I visit the Ziggurats in person?

ilmunaughtii: "Send in the Hun Slayers..."

@@carultch I am not sure Carl, I don't want to give you the wrong info. The lockdown won't help, and even if everything was good, there is still trouble there so be careful.

does your wife not have a job or skill? This seems to be a common factor amongst people attracted to mlms. I see single moms attracted to mlms because they tend to not have jobs or are forced to work part-time. I also see young and poor people attracted to these schemes because of the promises of quick riches.

@@painexotic3757 She runs her own business, but like you said mlm's seem attractive because of the promise of quick, easy returns. It probably is mostly single Mums and people on lower incomes. Although, even when you have money life tends to kick you in the teeth, I can see why people get drawn in.

this

I have a friend that is constantly trying to talk me into buying and selling stuff

@freedom300 *they're Be careful with your comment, it leans on the sexist discriminatory side. Men can also be emotional. If anything, most people I know who have joined MLM's are men

Yes! Politics do this as well.

People who fall for this shit deserve it

Thats horrible, im sorry that they made you feel that way 😔

It's a tactic that cults use as well. They praise you during initiation and then devalue you. Then you have to work harder to warm back their favor. Also if it's always your fault, then the company is never responsible.

This is that winning perspective m8e.

Atleast you can make a living off Drug dealing

Except that with drugs, the business model doesn't revolve around recruiting your own competition.

hahaha right, if the product was any good, they would sell it at stores

Drug dealing is also a pyramid scheme. The people at the top keep most of the money and everyone under them has to peddle the merch. The only difference is that the product actually is in demand, and if you try leaving you might end up dead.

You should tell everybody you know about MLM scams and have them do the same, or you'll be approached again and again.

😂😂😂😂 It's a square without one side

under-rated

It’s a reverse funnel system.

“Triangle of opportunity” I love it!

@@curiousculture3415 😂

Id also be hella down to work for him if he was

Sounds like a good job. Id take it

This cereal does not contain live spiders

I'm a teacher. If I interviewed for a job and they told me "we don't beat the kids." .... red flag!!

It's like that transformers movie where he had a dating laws card in his wallet....

I know your comment is a month old, and I'm sorry for that. But your comment is just so beautifully succinct and it's the easiest thing to say to people either in an MLM or considering joining one. I will use your comment for some idiots in my life that got involved.

My boss needs 2000 employees and only him and maybe 3 others at the top are making a living. Less than 1% for sure.

yet all 2000 employees have a living, salaries, benefits, peace of mind, some get commission.....

@@tomnguyen1999 nope we get lied to and scammed, work holidays with no holiday pay, get floating time but they don't tell you it's halved, every 2 holidays you work you get 1 day off and of course it can only be used non peak. Salaries are cut too forcing you to take medical and therefore paying you less for the "deal"... Who are the scammers?

@@jessicabellandy5687 You are getting fucked , get a real job. You are just playing the victim

You should say... Should I drop my pants right now or later so I can get fucked

Cristiang Gutierrez Also offer lube

So true!!

It’s really disappointing, I live in an area with a large amount of these people, and I immediately doubt the intentions of any stranger being nice to me. It’s really easy to pick them out, because they’re all over the top and come off very disingenuous.

@@BrownieBlog that's really a shame....

Hell yes for getting her out!!

True!! Trying to get her out of your life is really the best decision bro good luck!

Ha! Senator "Oral" Hatch was involved with Young Living which caused him to consider cannabis as it's been called a herb. But the whores we send to Washington get more from profiteers in Big Pharm, who know it's not about curing folks, there's a lot more money in extending their need for medical care I used to work for a company that made stainless steel parts for YL's processing works.

Jon B I might’ve slid her divorce papers

How are you getting her out? My friend is deep in it and I'm looking for advice.

I remember lots of people calling us Nazis when we pulled that, heh.

But its still kinda allowed/ the way of this marketing is there, Lifeplus is selling shakes and pills to lose weight and you can get money if you get others to buy it too, my aunt and uncle are always telling people about this at birthdays or family events...its annoying

Only the cult members. Most of us are smart enough to know better... at least I hope. I had a friend that joined one, and tried to push it on me. I agreed to meet with him but with the hidden intention to try to educate him on how its a pyramid scheme and that he is going to get scammed. He didn't listen and went as far as to attack me, while I was a good enough of a friend to actually take time out of my day to help a friend. He burned a bridge and lost a true friend, but only his unintelligence and stubbornness is to blame.

Sad story bro :(

But are they doing it as an MLM, or are they doing it as affiliates? There is a pretty big difference (although there can be some bleed-over. Some affiliate schemes are tiered, for example.)

I have a close friend who joined Amway and would try to recruit my friends from another friend group. When I told her to not do that she ended our friendship. We were friends for 10 + years.. 🤦🏽‍♀️

Or now on Instagram.

Those Lularoe "reps" are pissed.

dolebiscuit and Primerica reps

@finn bell prove it

finn bell how do you know how much they made last year?

It's an old saying but when: "You're given the business" , it means "You're being ripped off", which is old too.

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So mf true

So true

@@georgegates526 never came across that in all my reading?

I hope she proves you wrong so she can dump your average behind.

HUGO c Pyramid junkie confirmed.

average Joe to 9:5 job confirm haha

Is it Rodan and Fields? Because one of my friend's mom works with them and I didn't know it was a MLM until I saw this video.

As a side note; these aren't pyramid schemes, they're different. And as a rebuttal - my mom has been selling Mary Kay for 16+ years and she absolutely loves it. We've even gotten 4 cars out of it that our family uses.

You should be proud of yourself. Just remember, when it gets hard is when a loved one tries to suck you in. it's predatory, codependent, and it's the real magic sauce of MLMs. It's like with flat earthers, the truth doesn't matter to them, so you just have to remain strong and draw a line. You can do your best to educate them, but some people are a lost cause, and this can be extremely painful when it's someone you care about - and that's when it matters most to stand your ground, and it can cost you important relationships. The tears in the eyes of the victims shown in that documentary are real (and the disgusting shades of colonialism shown here with rich white folks trying to co-opt other cultures is disturbing as fuck, besides). My exes mom was sucked in to Nu Skin, it was hard to watch.

nice viper profile pic 😂

The old saying if it sounds too good to be true applies here

@@kylezo outstanding

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Even they are not. MLM are worse.

That was hilarious...NOT.

Oho, the good old bait and switch. Wow, that kinder garden level insult really blew my socks off. Good work, fella.

I was just trying to stoop down to your level of intellect, and couldn't get there. Fella. LOL

The reason you couldn't get there was probably that you were heading in the wrong direction.

I know what preschool "humor" looks like. You probably had to look up how to spell "pharaoh." LOL

Another red light "easy money" If the purpose is getting rich, they should know better than to say it was easy.

Lol, ditto. Quik Star wanted 200 to sign up when I was in highschool.

Anytime you start a business you have to have capital. I'd rather drop $500 (even though that's higher than most MLM companies) than drop 100k on a business that charges that just for it's name (like mcdonalds), bc you still have to get the money together to purchase the lot and then build the building.

Jeromi Birtikidis But with building a company you can have a nearly limitless supply of customers, for reasons pointed out in this video there is a bottleneck to how much can be earned.

do you know the failure rate of traditional business? Also, the point about the bottle neck; it will NEVER be hit. Consider this: 2,000 years ago 12 people tried to spread christianity. There are still non christians. John Oliver acts like he knows everything about everything, but many of his arguments are easily refuted.

no, its dimaryd !!! :D :D

That's exactly what you should do, and have them tell everyone that they know, etc.

@@Dinozor3 Very funny. Now do what the other person is doing.

Lol, I knew I couldn't of been the only person thinking this. XD

[In this edition of Luke Cage, Diamond Back tries to clone himself so he can beat Luke Cage at a ski race but ends up as a conjoined twin. Next week: Luke Cage in "Double Black Diamond"] I'd read it.

Isn't the dimaryp the final villain of Gravity Falls?

It's a metric to measure the difficulty of ski/snowboarding trails

Joseph Attwell I'm done 😂😂😂

MLM's are graves for your money. The ones who really succeed are the guys at the top, while the people at the bottom work their asses off to go up the "ladder".

Petra J. Expensive Graves! Built from human suffering!

Says a lot, doesn't it?

*sdimaryp

Holy sh!t!!!! The Egyptians were right!!!

Is that fiction being used for something outside of the fiction itself there?

Did you work in sales as an employee or independent contractor?

Both. As an employee I was guaranteed minimum wage if I didn't sell enough. As a contractor I sold newspaper subscriptions, I would get 200% of a month of newspaper subscription. 8 dollar monthly subscription would equal 16 dollars in my pocket. I did not have to buy anything. I do retail arbitrage in my free time right now for fun and profit. =)

It's not as if you could inventory newspapers for sale over time. Many MLMs do not require buying products before selling them, but the major issue is whether the products are being sold to customers, regardless of whether the products are first purchased by the distributors.

Exactly. In mlm's the customer is the distributor. That's messed up. Look at lularoe, A popular MLM right now. They sell leggings to distributors for 14 dollars a pop, then the distributors are told to sell them for 34 dollars. The problem is sometimes the patters are... unflattering. www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/5f0li2/lularoe_strikes_again_with_the_random_placement/

The term unflattering is an opinion, and so is the price being too high. What is objective is whether the sales are mostly to customers or distributors and whether there's a tool scam. The FTC and the courts need to stay focused on the objective issues, not the subjective ones.

They'll make it their civic duty so that people don't even set foot in the strip mall the theater playing the movie is in

***** He made 2 good movies then went down hill

Wise Sage Bum/ Becoming Molehill 3.

He's still making movies though. Someone sees something in him.

umjackd Yeah, himself