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Munt Emulator vs real Roland MT-32 The Secret of Monkey Island 

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@Kenji314159
@Kenji314159 8 лет назад
Bloody hell, that is one good emulator. I can't make out any differences!
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 8 лет назад
It's pretty sweet :)
@tylerhottes6760
@tylerhottes6760 7 лет назад
PhilsComputerLab how did you get the monkey island game on the pc I'm useing dosbox but did you download it or you had a floppy disk of it? and I have munt. On there. So I can play the sounds.
@KarjamP
@KarjamP 6 лет назад
Mastering is subtly different, as well as the way it handles the volume levels of instrumentation.
@nikgolinar4378
@nikgolinar4378 6 лет назад
Kenji314159 i can actually
@jara1462
@jara1462 2 года назад
pretty well but much better on original
@ZanQuance
@ZanQuance 8 лет назад
The only real difference I can hear is at 5:35 where the Emulation has more stereo separation then the real unit. Other than that hurray for Munt! Makes me want to go play the old MT-32 supported games again with Munt.
@e8root
@e8root 3 года назад
It doesn't sound like a disadvantage for Munt though...
@MrRanosama
@MrRanosama 2 года назад
@@e8root The Amiga soul in me definitely likes that a bit more than is reasonable.
@MichaelPohoreski
@MichaelPohoreski 8 лет назад
The 1 dislike is from a person who doesn't understand _why_ we're comparing real vs emulator -- for accuracy and authenticity.
@ChrisNova777
@ChrisNova777 8 лет назад
but do u really care? if someone dislikes? who cares?
@MichaelPohoreski
@MichaelPohoreski 8 лет назад
i was poking fun of their stupidity :)
@lt7114
@lt7114 7 лет назад
WHY DON'T YOU!?!?!?
@cdoublejj
@cdoublejj 6 лет назад
or on a phone and the finger oils on the touch screen gave them troubles
@MaxiZamac
@MaxiZamac 4 года назад
Love the Roland MT-32 sound!
@michaelc4961
@michaelc4961 7 лет назад
Hey Phil, thanks for the video. It's great to see that I'm not really missing out by having a real MT-32 since they're impossible to find nowadays What kind of software do you use for recording? I tried using OBS to record DOSBOX -- but it only recorded the digital sounds and completely left out the midi soundtrack played from my SC-55. My 'soundcard' is a UR22 Steinberg Audio Interface. As the MIDI and sound mixes through the AI and plays just fine out of my monitors I suspect the issue is software. Thanks in advance for your recommendation!
@morelenmir
@morelenmir 3 года назад
It is so hard to find a real MT-32 these days, at least for a sane price. Luckily going from this we don't actually _need_ to find one! Excellent!
@898doffo
@898doffo 8 лет назад
Munt is great. Great alternative for the rest who may not have the real hardware on hand. King's Quest IV really shines even on Munt.
@werpu12
@werpu12 Год назад
You can get an almost "real" hardware by putting it on a raspberry pi with the MT32-pi project.
@joyman2000
@joyman2000 8 лет назад
thanks for this video, there is no difference at all , awesome!!!!!
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 8 лет назад
+Santiago Gagliano It's cool, right? :D
@leighbyford635
@leighbyford635 6 лет назад
As a child i would always see the roland MT-32 option on the back of boxes and wonder what it sounded like. the answer = fucking awesome :)
@Korn1holio
@Korn1holio 5 лет назад
me too. Except finding out what "MT-32" was, was virtually impossible in post-perestroika USSR (much less actually buying one).
@michaelmonson7172
@michaelmonson7172 4 года назад
I have been using MUNT on and off for a few years now, and I love the quality of the emulation. I agree that it is hard to hear any difference between the two. @Phil: I'd be curious to know the differences you hear when you are playing it live, before it is added as compressed audio to a RU-vid video file. It's probably easier to hear the reverberation and nuances there, in person. :-) At least from what I have observed, I also notice a very slight pitch increase through MUNT, and agree that the stereo affect of MUNT is more pronounced than the actual Roland MT-32, likely, because a lot of professional audio equipment (especially analogue) has carry-over between the left and right signals. Also, I believe I heard a slight hiss with the Roland MT-32 (expected), whereas the MUNT emulation seemed more crisp. That is probably because MUNT is producing pure digital sound, and the Roland module uses physical audio wires. I had no idea the emulation was that spot on! I expected some differences in the sounds, but since the ROM chips include all the attack sampled partials that the MT-32 uses to construct the instruments that are heard and programmed by the software communicating with the unit. As long as the emulator can construct the sample partials in the same manner, and apply the same affects (such as reverb), it makes sense that the MUNT emulator team could eventually achieve a nearly flawless reproduction. :-) I'm still amazed. At first I didn't believe your setup was possible, and that you were possibly fabricating this whole experiment, using just MUNT to reproduce the sound in both channels, even though you were purportedly switching back and forth between audio channels in the video. Then I realized how clever your solution was. Using the "MIDI through" channel, MUNT was responding in the same way as if the program was calling directly. Because it was on the laptop, it was acting kind of like a MIDI server of sorts. ;-) And you could then realistically run both a real MT-32 and MUNT emulation simultaneous... the source signals were feeding commands into BOTH the real MT-32 and the emulated one. That also explains the very slight delay of just a few milliseconds between the MT-32 and the response of MUNT. Very cool though... great work!
@MrSammy2043
@MrSammy2043 5 лет назад
This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you so much for this video. Now I'm off to build my raspberry pi midi appliance.
@FlameRat_YehLon
@FlameRat_YehLon 7 лет назад
They sounds identical, but the emulator sounds a bit lagging behind comparing to the real one. Not a big issue for gaming though, but for music production, you know which to choose.
@chrisfratz
@chrisfratz 6 лет назад
野龍 might just be because the Mt 32 is receiving the midi sequence first and then the emulator gets it a split second later because it's going through the midi through port on the Mt 32
@zosxavius
@zosxavius 5 лет назад
yeah latency is unavoidable because the sound has to go through the DAC to be processed after the emulator generates it.
@kjakobsen
@kjakobsen 4 года назад
Since they don't make anything close to this device anymore, this I very great news.
@illegalquantity
@illegalquantity 9 лет назад
Unbelievable how close they are.
@Scripture-Man
@Scripture-Man 8 лет назад
Thank you for the excellent comparison. I hear no difference whatsoever!
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 8 лет назад
+Lee Bee Glad you found it useful :) Munt has indeed come a long way.
@Scripture-Man
@Scripture-Man 8 лет назад
:) I really like emulated game music and I use Bridge M1 a lot for Arcade games, as well as various other music emulators. Emulated music is basically the only music I listen to these days! I was looking into Munt today because I really love the original Monkey Island music and I think the Roland MT-32 is the best version I have heard, even better than any of the various re-mixes. I was hoping to be able to emulate the music myself through Munt. Might you, or anyone, be able to tell me where I can get hold of the music files for Monkey Island 1? To be honest I don't even know what kind of files it requires.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 8 лет назад
Lee Bee You would need to find MIDI files. But for MT-32 and not re-arranged for General MIDI.
@Scripture-Man
@Scripture-Man 8 лет назад
+PhilsComputerLab OK thanks. I'll try to find them. :)
@WhoIsLudwig
@WhoIsLudwig 3 года назад
I feel like Munt almost sounds a liiittle bit better at times, but maybe it's just me ... I'm listening through a good pair of studio headphones, so it's a great exercise, I think ! The only thing that annoys me is the slight delay there seem to be in Munt, but maybe it's setup related ?
@MrMonkeyCrumpets
@MrMonkeyCrumpets 7 лет назад
Damn that's a pretty good emulation. Slightly better top end transients and stereo separation on the real thing but its REALLY subtle. I can't imagine many people would be anal enough to be that picky when it comes to DOS game audio, nor running a speaker setup capable of showing the differences.
@omegavv
@omegavv 6 лет назад
I noticed something. MUNT audio has a higher pitch than real MT-32, but I like it.
@thereisacow1337
@thereisacow1337 2 года назад
now all we need is an sc55 emulator
@nullsmack
@nullsmack 3 года назад
Wow.... that sounds really spot on. I saw a guy on Reddit who had Munt running on a Raspberry Pi and was using it with his MiSTer fpga with AO486 core, I might have to look into that for these games.
@thegeforce6625
@thegeforce6625 7 лет назад
There is a difference, it's very hard to pick up on though. That's some good emulation.
@evanparker
@evanparker 7 лет назад
i'm really impressed how much this sounds like the original! it's quite nearly identical.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
I know, they've done terrific work.
@badrolix
@badrolix 2 года назад
Отличный подход, великолепное решение. Фил, вы дали мне ответ, который я искал, на вопрос. Ваше видео самое точное из того, что я хотел услышать. Спасибо большое за эту работу.
@bud389
@bud389 2 года назад
The only difference I can tell is that the MUNT Emulator seems to sound slightly more bassy.
@yeffexe2081
@yeffexe2081 3 года назад
Nice, I have an MT32 also that I bought off a guy on Craigslist for $30, but I'm going to check out the Munt as I don't always feel like wiring it up. Great video!
@SomeOrangeCat
@SomeOrangeCat 6 лет назад
Munt + Dosbox. It doesn't get much better than that.
@Xonatron
@Xonatron 8 лет назад
Could you do Space Quest III or King's Quest IV? (Great job!!)
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 8 лет назад
I'd love to, but I won't do anything until there is another version of Munt released with some actual changes :)
@TheCrazyStudent
@TheCrazyStudent 2 года назад
Soundwise, it seems like the Munt is doing a perfect job emulating the MT-32. However the Munt obviously has a lot more latency. The music on the Munt is lagging behind compared to the MT-32, which can be noticed every time he switches between the two audio sources.
@bradsmith8977
@bradsmith8977 6 лет назад
They both sounded great I could not tell witch one was witch thanks for everything everything you do.
@paulanderson79
@paulanderson79 5 лет назад
*which :-)
@jordanscherr6699
@jordanscherr6699 5 лет назад
I can't hear any difference besides what the fellow mentions at 5:35, and as far as I'm concerned it's better for the separation. Looks like I'm getting a Munt unit then! (It's smaller, and that's important for my setup.)
@kamencesc
@kamencesc 4 года назад
I on't know why "my" munt didn't sounds as the MT32, I tested on Windows (7 & 10) and on linux (Raspbian) but I get weird sounds. For example when the title of The Secret of Monkey Island appears... could be the soundcard? I'm using a cheapest sound card with the CMI8738 (in a thin client). IDK about it's limitations, for example I can't play MIDI music and FX at the same time on Doom... Maybe I need to try with a Creative sound card... Thanks!
@Sol_Solis_
@Sol_Solis_ 4 года назад
I have this problem too. I use Linux, and some games sounds so wierd with Munt, that even the Adlib music sounds better. And I have a Sound Blaster Audigy 4 card...
@chattyinc
@chattyinc 3 года назад
The only difference is that the emulator sounds is slightly delayed from the real mt-32
@alpharisc
@alpharisc 4 года назад
Wow I can't tell the difference at all :O
@djangofett4879
@djangofett4879 2 года назад
You, sir... ARE A GOD!!! Just kidding, but this was a great comparison video 👍
@cromulence
@cromulence 6 лет назад
Wow, that is excellent emulation! Unless my hearing is deceiving me however, MUNT is a few cents higher in pitch. Anyone else hearing the same?
@paradoxmo
@paradoxmo 4 года назад
Yes, I hear this too.
@theParticleGod
@theParticleGod Месяц назад
Munt, Nuked-SC55 and Timidity with cherry picked instruments from a library of soundfonts is as close to MIDI perfection as I'm likely to get without paying actual money, and unlike real modules can fit inside a laptop and won't let the smoke out if I forget to replace the 40-year old leaking capacitors.
@nashismox3
@nashismox3 8 лет назад
Finally a good comparison! I saw a comparison where the guys uses a pathetic recording from Dosbox (munt) and then plays a really good recording of a real MT32 of the same game! That's cheating! Here both midi players are at the same level, incredible work really!! Tell me, by now do you really think Munt has gotten better? Or was like this from the beginning (forgive my ignorance). Cheers!
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 8 лет назад
+nashismox3 Munt has developed tremendously since the first version! But now it really has reached a very high standard. The differences are extremely subtle.
@nashismox3
@nashismox3 8 лет назад
I was trying it today with a x68000 emulator, playing Castlevania. The sound is just beautiful. In fact I always dreamed of having roland sound as a little kid my big brother (only 1 year older) used to tell me how awesome the roland sound was supposed to be. To this day I don't know how he knew that back in 1990. I was 9 and he was 10, and we live here in Chile and Internet got here in 97, so... I still dont know how he knew. Is like the fatalities in the first Mortal Kombat, we got them as kids and we never knew how!! (on the arcades) Those were the days, everything was more magical and mysterious. Cheers!
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 8 лет назад
Magical indeed! I can relate to this somehow. I only read about the MT-32 in computer magazines. A few of the reporters had one and raved about it, but I never heard it. There was no Internet back in the day to access information, often the little booklets that came with games, especially from Sierra, were the only source of information...
@nashismox3
@nashismox3 8 лет назад
PhilsComputerLab Yes, actually I guess that is one of the reasons I learned english too, playing the Larry games hehehe. Trying to have sex with a girl on a videogame when you are 9 helps learn faster :) Even if the sound would come from the internal speaker! That is also unique till this day though, I remember the music from Prince of Persia through the internal speakers, the first time I played a PC game, it was beautiful :) And it was a privilege to play it. PC's were so expensive, a couple of thousands at least. Cheers and have a good day.
@3dmaster205
@3dmaster205 7 лет назад
I do notice a difference, but it's incredibly tiny. The emulator seems to produce just a tiny hint lower tone, but you only notice it if you can switch to the real thing back and forth. If you just finished listening to the real thing, go over to the next house and listen to the emulator, you would not know the difference. That's damn impressive.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
Yes they did a brilliant job that's for sure :)
@LFOSyncToo
@LFOSyncToo 10 лет назад
The emulator is doing its job very well I must say
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 10 лет назад
Yes. This game used the default MT-32 instruments only. No custom sounds.
@LFOSyncToo
@LFOSyncToo 10 лет назад
ah that's why. It's when the games are using customs sounds that the differences must be more pronounced I suppose...
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 10 лет назад
Spot on! It's also the reason why nothing is truly MT-32 compatible. Cards in the past claimed to be MT-32 compatible but this was just for the default Instruments. Very few games use only the default instruments.
@vm8430
@vm8430 4 года назад
Sounds great!
@Roflcopter4b
@Roflcopter4b 9 лет назад
Is it just me or is the difference barely noticeable?
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 9 лет назад
No it's really that close!
@EllRiver
@EllRiver 7 лет назад
To me its night and day... MUNT sounds... off.
@KarjamP
@KarjamP 6 лет назад
I can tell the difference. As I've said within another comment, "Mastering is subtly different, as well as the way it handles the volume levels of instrumentation."
@kosmosyche
@kosmosyche 5 лет назад
@@KarjamP There is actually more difference between the different versions of real MT-32 (and its derivatives) than between Munt and the hardware it emulates. In other words, while you think you can hear the difference, a proper blind test will likely show otherwise.
@sergioalvarez8171
@sergioalvarez8171 9 лет назад
Really nice man!
@Mokgor
@Mokgor 8 лет назад
I'm playing this via ScummVM and I have Munt installed, but I can't get it sound like this. The Roland MT-32 emulation used by ScummVM just sounds so off and flat (especially the flute), it's nowhere close to this :I
@SunCrushr
@SunCrushr 7 лет назад
The version of Munt code they use in ScummVM is a bit old. Just install the latest Munt and configure ScummVM to output to that instead of the built in MT-32 emulation.
@CaptainKeelhaul
@CaptainKeelhaul 7 лет назад
Do you need authentic MT-32 ROMs for Munt to sound like that?
@Enverex
@Enverex 7 лет назад
Yes.
@oliverhilton6086
@oliverhilton6086 5 лет назад
I wonder how a crappy atom based PC like really old notebooks would handle this emulator, it would be pretty sweet to get one with a broken screen or something and turn it into a dedicated munt machine
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 5 лет назад
There will be a video soon, using a Thin Client :)
@texmanro
@texmanro 4 года назад
Genius!
@mirabilis
@mirabilis 5 лет назад
That's quite a big difference! But the emulation is not bad, just different.
@Kage5868
@Kage5868 6 лет назад
Real Roland have slightly audio filtering
@BenKirb
@BenKirb 4 года назад
MT-futeh teux?!?
@xorben1981
@xorben1981 4 года назад
Is there any reason to buy a real mt32?
@xorben1981
@xorben1981 4 года назад
@Love made in Japan did you made a shart?
@cdoublejj
@cdoublejj 6 лет назад
i feel that i'm hard pressed to hear a difference
@mOnocularJohn
@mOnocularJohn 6 лет назад
Where do you get decent ROMs?
@tylerhottes6760
@tylerhottes6760 6 лет назад
I played this before and it works with scum vm useing munt 1.1.1
@martinmole6159
@martinmole6159 8 лет назад
Hello, is it possible to control MUNT with a USB-Controlle-Keyboard?
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 8 лет назад
+Martin Mole They keyboard needs to support MIDI.
@martinmole6159
@martinmole6159 8 лет назад
philscomputerlab Thanks for reply. My keyboard has a midiout.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 8 лет назад
t should work. MIDI out of the keyboard into MIDI in of a USB MIDI adapter. However I don't think you can change instruments and configure Munt as you can a real MT-32.
@tylerhottes6760
@tylerhottes6760 7 лет назад
Martin Mole I use fl studio to do that 11 or 12 they support midi keyboards Evian typing ones. Even if you're useing munt you have to put your midi out to the port that you put the emulator onto and set the channel 2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9- drums 10 when you do it. Man the standard keyboard sounds like a different type but sometime if you are useing a 32type computer and has low volume you need headphones to hear the audio
@tylerhottes6760
@tylerhottes6760 7 лет назад
PhilsComputerLab 8bit keys showed it off there and you need to be on a different selection if your useing old keyboards usealy the yahama keys can switch midi channels
@aqueuwoo2565
@aqueuwoo2565 8 лет назад
I did not hear the difference
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 8 лет назад
+aqueu woo Impressive isn't it?
@Kelesis666
@Kelesis666 7 лет назад
The real MT32 sounds more punchy and sharp, but still the munt is very impressive!
@camartinez6
@camartinez6 6 лет назад
munt emulator lacks crisp bright sounds
@JAFOpty
@JAFOpty 6 лет назад
10 seconds after you start playing this game, you will not notice the difference (which is minimal)
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 6 лет назад
Pretty much :)
@JAFOpty
@JAFOpty 6 лет назад
on the other hand, I would love to own the real thing, of course. Or a SC55... I wonder how different is a real SB Pro and the emulation....
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 6 лет назад
Yea, nothing beats the real thing :) Not sure what you mean with Sound Blaster Pro? If you mean how accurate OPL3 is, there are additional patches that improve DOSBox greatly.
@JAFOpty
@JAFOpty 6 лет назад
Correct, emulating the OPL3 chip as close as possible, I will look into those patches. Thanks!
@camartinez6
@camartinez6 6 лет назад
the munt sounds like a 128k mp3 version
@josephfrye7342
@josephfrye7342 6 лет назад
yep thats a simple comparison looks like the real deal one has done right but alas the emulator version lags too much.
@josephfrye7342
@josephfrye7342 6 лет назад
i do not think emulators was designed or program with insane of stereo or surround sound (the separation or theater environment experience). why well because one you tried it in high quality or resolution it lags too much and audio harshly stutters.
@theParticleGod
@theParticleGod Месяц назад
Lags too much for what?
@EllRiver
@EllRiver 7 лет назад
The emulation is good but it's just to dull, the pitch is too off and it just feels off. It's a good imitation but getting the real thing still feels worth it.
@jara1462
@jara1462 2 года назад
still better on original, more 3D
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