Murdered For 'Being a Goth' 

Fellow autist here, being autistic actually put's you in danger of hate crimes! I was literally tortured at a school i attended for being autistic...

Yes exactly! that part annoyed me so much

ugh me too. think i actually woke up my mum with my exasperation

Exactly! 🤦🏻‍♀️

Yeah! I myself am not autistic but I do have a few family members who are on the spectrum Ik for a fact they could never commit something this horrendous.

Totally agree to be a young female and see that go on and be so brave to go over and risk it happening to you as well they seriously deserve some type of recognition for that act of selflessness and bravery

I want to give her a hug and I hate hugging people

I know, even though they couldn't save Sophie sadly. They where able to save her boyfriend Robert. But still why treat someone like this just cause of how they look. Even though they loved the gothic life style and dressing like they did, they where practically harmless and kind people that didn't like to fight.

​@@danniramey5876 i also don't understand how people can enjoy inflicting that kind of violence on people, no matter their reasoning

@@normalguycraignor can I you have to be pretty f*cked in the head to enjoy kicking and stamping on a tiny girl just because you didn’t like the way she looked

It's also so disgusting sense they said that they were doing something good for the world

And what’s crazy is they all looked exactly the same.

And they didn’t just kill them like with a gun or smth they beat them to death like imagine the amount of violence you need to put into beating someone to put them to death

I say they should be put on death row, they don’t serve anything towards people, put the two boys on death-row and the mom in prison for life.

@@yeldaraf9399i mean you do have to consider this was a group of teenage boys in the UK. It’s not like the USA where getting access to a gun is just figuring out where your parents hide it and breaking it out or walking in to a store and purchasing a firearm. Only gun you can really own in your home in the uk is a hunting gun that can only really fire rubber/lead bullets that’s more designed to kill rabbits than other human beings.

im not goth, but im a young teen with a darker style and ive constantly faced hardships n misconceptions n bullying because of how i like to express myself. this case breaks my heart and feels so personal to me, and your story warms my heart so much. thank you 🖤

Literally all the goths I've ever met are the sweetest people. I'm glad you had such a wonderful experience with them as well.

the goth kids slayed

that happened 🧢

@@john-ur6vq question, if you don’t mind me asking, who are you to determine what happened and what didn’t in someone’s life?

When I heard they named a stage after Sophie I got so emotional x

Rock it on

it's in my county! makes me so happy that she is never forgotten ♥

Very awesome

thats incredible

And causing them permanent brain damage they will have to deal with for the rest of their life

How long do you think they could be sentenced for

@@slipknotsmaggot3025 life

@@slipknotsmaggot3025 I study UK law and according to current law, putting someone in an unrevivable coma is murder and so should come with a life sentence.

​​@@lolitachan8675 don't know if I would say life-sentence unless it was intentional and they wanted to put them in a coma. If it was an accident and they went into a coma and never woke up I would say life but they do deserve jail time since they basically killed somebody by accident. (And apparently I need to specify it.) I'm talking about in general I'm not referencing this case obviously these boys wanted to kill and harm people. Again I'm not saying what happened in this case was accidental clearly it was intentional.

as a goth myself - 👱🏼‍♀️

@@isaac8024 ???

You be you.. No one can dictate how someone should look or express themselves.. Its so sad ppl are judged for being different than what society deems normal..ugh!

@@isaac8024 bold of you to assume you know how i look.

I agree. I started to crossdress to college in skirts recently and its really nice to express my self how I really want. And so far I have had no problems so things are getting better

im the complete opposite of goth so i couldnt relate, but hearing things like this make my eyes water, i hate that it has to be like that over a style for different people… if everyones looking the same they get mocked, if people stray from that look they get mocked, its like you just cant be happy at all. im so sorry for your experiences and having to change yourself 🥺❤️

I'm so sorry that happened to you. It's extra upsetting that people would say those things to such a young child. I'm sure you looked really cool!

You are a cool mom for putting your son's experience of childhood before your whole expression of yourself. Some people would say "it's bare minimum, she just changed her style" ... I mean yeah it's bare minimum but you are also putting aside more than a style, you're putting aside who you truly are for this kid's long term well being and this is what a parent should do sometimes and many do not. Keep up!

I just wanna say I really admire your approach to parenting. Whether wrong or not (and it is extremely so) your son was experiencing negative things on your behalf (again not actually your fault people suck) so you changed yourself to make his life easier. That's really admirable. Wish my mother was that way.

That's really awful. I dolled down my goth look when I became a mum too, however I've kept my black and red hair and black clothes. No one has said anything to me about it since I was a teenager. I thought adults didn't do that to each other. Shocking

What they did was attempted murder! They told passersby that both of them were dead. I also don't believe the older ones didn't join in on the attack of Sophie, I agree, they should all be away for a lot longer than what they got.

@@pixieyla Justice for Sophie Lancaster

@@pixieylaI mean Eleanor didn’t mention this in the video but witness statements backed the boys claims that they didn’t touch Sophie and there was no forensic evidence to suggest they did either so I don’t think they attacked Sophie however I 100% agree with you they should have been given attempted murder charges for what they did to Rob

@@meganwilliams7434they should have been charged for an accessory to murder at least

I might've choked when I saw their faces. Like bro you seriously can't go around assaulting people cause of their looks until you fix yours

@@m.m14 What? You shouldnt assault people anyway, even if your looks are okay. xD

All five look like they still piss themselves

@Vahn Williams I thought people would get what I was saying without overthinking it. Obviously don't go out assaulting people. All I did was word it wrong

@@m.m14 don't worry i got what you meant, just used the wrong word is all, classic human error 😊 you mean they can't say anything about anyone else and should probably look in the mirror😅😁

absolutely :(( what a horrid example

I bet she was the popular girl that terrorized other kids.

I assume she didn't believe her son was involved at all... Maybe laughing at how ridiculous it was. Not that it makes it right, but I'd have a hard time believing any of my children could be involved in any crimes 🤷🏻‍♀️

@@PookysMom6 maybe but they all had a history of extreme violence. No chance a mom doesn't know what their kids are capable of

@@aw8951 exactly

Omg how sad! I couldn't imagine having to see her like that. Poor girl. Just for being herself it's really sad..

The fact that the last memory he has of his sister is that and the last memory her mom had ugh. I can't imagine. My son will have night terrors and having to comfort him though that is heartbreaking to me so I can't imagine not being able to help comfort my child

I thought I had read all the heartbreaking details of this story, and then I come across this comment.

Awe you're so nice!!🙏🥲

exactly. it's just such a sad case.

“Who they are” yeah no? Being emo isn’t the same as being gay or black? It’s literally a choice and not who you naturally are Like yeah we shouldn’t kill people for living that lifestyle but they aren’t oppressed at all, they’re making a conscious choice and effort to look like losers

@@humanbeeing4780 wow bro you’re so intelligent

@@humanbeeing4780 bro what u sayin alternative ppl shouldnt be hurt for their lifestyle and u calling them losers???

@@humanbeeing4780 I agree but it's still sad that someone was murdered literally just for being Goth

Yup people are so pathetic. I've seen a post on instagram harassing attractive black woman for wearing shorts exposing her buttocks. Why taking pic of someone and posting it to harass them? Me myself I like revealing clothes but I don't wear them for any attention, I was always very shy and introverted, never even got a tan cause I was at home all days. So now as an adult when I feel more confident I do the things I've never done before like getting tan and just enjoying summer! If your biggest life problem is another person looking one way or another you are super lucky!!

I will never understand either. How do people think it’s normal for them to feel so affected by other people, strangers even just because of the things they like or their styles. It’s mind blowing.

I have never, ever, understood the logic behind it… perhaps, because there is no logic. Just thoughtless action. I hate this girl lost her life. 😞😞

It's anthropological. One tribe feels the need to attack another tribe that makes them feel vulnerable.

I have a family member who get easily offended by other people's appearance. And while she doesn't make comments to the people's faces or harass them, she will still make derogatory comments about how gross or disgusting they look to me and whoever else is with her. My response is always "You know, they're probably a really nice person." That will usually shut her up.

Yeah, the mother was a lovely person.

LITERALLY, i’m autistic but have never once murdered or even thought about murdering somebody?!?

I'm autistic and it really is a symptom, I can't stop killing people

IKR like, because I'm autistic I can get away with murder? Is that what they are saying? What's next, my depression can justify arson?

i did in fact burst out laughing im going to hell

Drop a like if you’re autistic and have never murdered anyone, even once

Good it should be heard about

Thank you for sharing

wagons are great ! all their fundraising is so genuine, people should take notes

What you did was genius. Emphasize the positive to make the negative less relevant.

@@AlexAlexon3897 thank you. I feel they were young enough to take that as a lesson on being kind. I'm hoping they think twice before they make a comment on someone's appearance

@@XjaXemX: Sorry, got mixed up. Have a friend with very similar name to yours.

@@AlexAlexon3897 soooo I’m not genius? Lol

@@XjaXemX: Haha, you so are! I didn't notice your name at first, then thought - it's E-J! Which you are, but not the one I know. 😄 Your comment was spot-on. 🙂

diversity is the spice of life, as they say. rest in peace to a misunderstood angel.

True. Humans are disgusting because they discriminate for literally no reason. I hope those monsters burn in hell and may Sophie Rest In Peace ❤️

Humans are weird. Like they don't get someone can be different. It's like in that show Fairly Odd Parents. He wished everyone was the same.. and they all became grey blobs... We are different for a reason. To make us unique.. actually I've a weird fascination with differences 😅 I'm so curious about everything. Skin colour, hair, interests. I love learning. But always afraid someone will be insulted by my curiosity. I just genuinely love learning how different we all can be.

@@Chloe299XxX i admire that about you sweetie, same here and some of the questions i ask will be like "what's your ancestry" and it doesn't matter if youre white or black or any other race, i jus am a curious person by nature and knowing such things intrigues me but to someone else it might be weird idk but you're not alone

Nowadays face piercings and coloured hair are getting mainstream popular so I guess the weird hatered is slowly dying down.

@@RandomSwiftie13 there's no way its main stream just a larger subculture and social media amplification.

Bark back! 😅

My sister gets barked at! Wtf is that? I started in the goth subculture around 2008 so maybe it's a generational thing, but my friends and I never got barked at???

people are weird. they literally just CANNOT stand seeing people be themselves. oh you like anime? cringe. you like alt/gothic stuff? cringe. you're GAY? cringe. i think it's because they could never have the confidence to be open about their interests, because they're so insecure. most of these people just wanna look cool and fit into a certain group. mob mentality istg

Sylvia was an inspiration and she worked so hard to make something positive happen after that tragedy.

Ohhhh how sad. I hadn’t heard this. You would of thought this would have been big/ national news, considering Sophie’s story and everything Sylvia has done since. Hope she is resting peacefully.

The video said she died years ago

@@qqaz6421 Sophie died 2007, her mum Sylvia died May of this year. There are many news articles about it, I looked it up after I saw the comment. I was only a few years younger than Sophie when she was murdered and I’ve followed Sylvia on and off for years.

@@qqaz6421 Sylvia, Sophie's mother, passed this year.

Same, he conducted a lecture at our university, such a devastating case.

I'm glad he is still helping bring awareness and helping others

OMG, I just almost spit out my water when I read this comment. 🤣

Litetally and they all look like they got the same haircut too 💀💀

I was thinking the exact same thing, they're identical.

I thought the same thing. They all even have the same haircut!

RIGHT? Ugliest clones I've ever fucking seen.

they look exactly like what i imagined them to look like

They look like the type to be so so hateful

Exactly people hate goths or people wearing dark clothing but also hate people who wear bright colours let people do what they want to do

It's usually people unhappy and angry with their own lives who just need an excuse to spread that hate to others sometimes through violence.

Omg honestly wear whatever you want if it makes you happy then go for it :)

The sentence of the other three boys pisses me off tbh. Three older boys They could have and SHOULD have 1. Not done it at all and 2. Stop their friends. Like wtf? In my eyes they were all equally complicit. And even though "only" she died honestly it still should have been 2 murder charges to me

I didn't know wearing bright colors was a problem.

Bloodstock do amazing things for the S.O.P.H.I.E foundation. I love Bloodstock and it was nice to see a sea of pink in memory of Sylvia 💗

I have donated and supported S.O.P.H.I.E for years and Bloodstock 2022 was my first ever metal festival and concert experience in general as a goth and one that listens to metal I enjoyed my time and even broke my nose bin jousting, it was amazing and fun while it lasted and the fact Sophie has a stage named after her is really sweet and seeing people wear the merch and pink was a nice sight to see

@@gallowshumour7077 that's cool 🤘 my first Bloodstock was 2021 and I went this year too. Wasn't the heat crazy though? I love that they're supporting the SOPHIE foundation

@@Milkabis yes the heat was scorching and I slept in my tent as I was tired and I woke up to all my friends sitting down outside sweating my ass off 😂

@@gallowshumour7077 yes me too, I woke up dripping one morning so went for a shower and came back to camp got the water carrier and filled it up only to stand at the tap with my head and neck under it. Most people seemed to be ok in the heat though and welfare/security were amazing checking on everyone. Roll on 2023 😁

As a former goth this doesn't surprise me at all. There are a lot of tenderhearted, misunderstood goth folks.

I went to middle school in an upper class area with mostly “preps” who bullied me relentlessly for being the ugly poor kid whose clothes came from Wal-Mart. The nicest kids were always the goths. I could always join them when the teachers made us work in groups. They were the ones who would hangout and talk and joke with me like I was a human. That means a lot to a kid and I’ve never forgotten that.

Why let him out when he will do the same thing he did to Sophie to someone else. Ryan Herbert should have also gotten life in prison too without parole. He knew better yet he laughed. He's a sociopath who had no empathy.

He took away her life and so brutally, he 100% deserves to rot in prison. Like literally, he killed a person, took her life and he is out? Why? To commit more crimes?

same here. this case is so sad.

It so sad. They were doing nothing wrong but these animals decided to do this because they didn't dress like them! You shouldn't be scared to be your self and wear what you want to when you go out!! They should never be let out of prison for what they did

i always see goths and pastels supporting each other, wether irl or online. COMPLETE opposite styles and yet their mutual interest of alt fashion (almost) always overrides any hostility due to opposing styles. just wanted to add this because i feel like this is relevant but i can’t find the words to explain how.

I am so heartbroken about this and reading some hate comments about her looks makes me so Mad. How can humans be so hateful

I was around at the time too, where I lived as the story broke in the news the amount of hell we attracted got so much worse, honestly I can understand why your mum took that approach. Worst part of it all for me and my friends personally was the amount of fighting that started as a result, we pretty much all felt like we had targets on our back an as the nobs that were getting bolder because of what happened to Sophie started escalating we all basically had to start fighting you could guarantee it'd be at least 2 or 3 times a week some of us would have ended up in a physical fight, never one on one either you'd always have 5 or 6 at least on you, I myself ended up puttin a couple in the hospital and I hated every moment of it, I don't like hurting people I'm very much the keep to myself type, at this point after all that and learning full well what I'm capable of when I'm pushed to it, I ended up becoming totally non confrontational, it takes a lot to get a rise out of me now because I just hate the violence. There was no need at all for what happened to Sophie and how it escalated where I live for everyone after, I hope the bastards that did it suffer every day for what they did, but the pessimist in me says they're probably fine with it.

Yeah thankfully the world is becoming better. I recently started Crossdressing to college and I have had no problems

@@AngelDelight69 That’s so cool, I’m glad you can be yourself without any dickheads bothering you :)

I love the goth look, sooo GORGEOUS 😍

@@caseymcnaughton9982 It has only been 4 days of doing this but so far I have had nothing but compliments. Friday I was walking home and these girls complimented me and even said it isn't everyday you see a boy in a skirt. That made me so happy to realise it isn't all bad What scares me though is I also live in lancashire

@@stephaniewright1389 It really is isn’t it? I get a lot of shit for being a teenager who dresses alt but I don’t care, I love it

Ok😊moolmkp Mk

I’m gay so I dress a a lot more feminine sometimes, wear makeup and sometimes dress emo with eyeliner. I always get weird looks and sometimes people even yell slurs at me. I usually stand up for myself and have a go at them but it is such a scary world to live in like this. People are horrible and disgusting, we deserve better treatment! :(

Exactly! The poor guy was lucky to have survived.

I agree

@Vahn Williams the point was,.that still should be an extra charge, possibly resulting in more prison time. Imo they didn't get enough time at all. Both the charges they received and the prison time were a joke.

So agree

100%. it was attempted murder and they just watched. they should also be charged for the trauma they caused robert on top of everything imo. they took his love away and that is unforgivable. those scumbags should spend their lives in prison for taking hers and trying to take his. i don’t care how old they are. the verdict is so infuriating.

I'm not even trying to be funny but that's such a strange logic for not considering it a hate crime. The whole concept of recognizing something as a hate crime is to, in part, maximize the importance of what happened. It's to literally recognize that people are choosing to do terrible things because of the hatred they carry.

@@courtr1588 I think he just disliked it being described as a "hate crime" in that news headlines sensationalized it and then promptly dropped it. Instead of maximizing attention to it as an actual hate crime, it just followed him for the rest of his life in that he was the boyfriend to the "dead goth girl". He was never the boyfriend to Sophie - she was now just a statistic.

@@wenisdead6829 Gotcha. Yeah, that can be a very dehumanizing experience. It's unfortunate that that's the way the media treated the case. He's a human being and shouldn't have been made (in a way) invisible just to be used for what the media considered a profit.

He actually has a partner based in the UK. He and Kayah broke up years ago.

What’s his Instagram?

Im a metalhead and luckily haven't faced this, but I'm in the British countryside and there's not much life out here. I've been laughed at many times, but weightlifting and generally being bigger helped with all this (which I understand other people might not see that as an option). It disgusts me that were all singled out for literally being interesting and alternative. It upsets me to hear you've been faced with this 🖤🖤

Same here not goth or emo but metalhead/ punk and I've never been harassed but again in my youth I was always with a group and from the Midwest in the US the alternative culture was pretty big and so most I got was questioning like why would u do this or what's it like

Sorry that happened I hope your better now

It’s still happening today. I was in the park with my two little girls, a group of young teenagers were there acting feral, so I didn’t stay for long. As I was walking away, I noticed them shouting toward a young girl, who I at first thought was with them. But I noticed she was shouting ‘f*ck off’ as they (boys and girls) were all shouting abuse toward her. She was dressed ‘different’, and when I recognised that, that is when I realised the hate was aimed at that. By the time I realised they were bullying her, she had already walked away. But I stopped and stood just glaring at the horrible rats. I was DYING to say something, but as I had my 2 young children, I felt I couldn’t, and hoped that my disgusted look was enough to make them feel embarrassed. I was SO angry! And it made for a great lesson to teach my 5 and 7 year old about how to NEVER be mean just because somebody looks different. It’s something I always say anyway, but they witnessed it first hand, and they actually got upset for the poor girl. So I hope that stays with them.

I'm so sorry to hear that.. I'm happy you are okay, you are so strong 💝💖 things will be better someday

Me too. And I am old now. I still have a lot of rage about it.

I don’t know why I’m surprised that this is still going on. I truly hope it is just a minority of people who still feel the need to attack someone who is different but even then it is disgraceful. I hope you know you should be proud to be who you are 💜

It is so horrible to hear that this is still going on. Sometimes it feels like nothing changes 😔 We need to try to stand tall and talk against this kind of violence and hope that someday people learn 🖤

Girl she just posed it….

@@strangeodd1552 couldve read it alr

@@strangeodd1552 the case is massive and is fundraiser for at most alt festivals. Everyone alternative knows this case and the fact that she’s bringing awareness to a mainstream audience is so important… girl

@@strangeodd1552 what

@@kaidd9149 ‘thank you for making this video well’ it could’ve been awful????

Yes. I'm a huge metalhead and I've never felt more acceptance than from other likeminded alt people. seeing people judge other people from a subculture like Sophie and Robert is so depressing to me, because it just shows you how shallow people are and never look past appearances. its even more depressing because the alternative people i have met were one of the most nicest and sweetest people. I'm usually desensitized to crime cases, but hearing this one was so shocking and disturbing because it hit so close to home. I hope she rests in peace

Then don't be anymore, saddly this is what happens when you're this kind of "different"

​@@themaicky3209 Just bc you give in easily doesn't mean everyone else should man

@@TextbookSadass That's exactly what I said many years ago. That was wrong and I found it out in a bad way

@@themaicky3209 I'm sorry for your experience but you shouldn't be telling people to suppress their identities bc you don't personally deem it safe, you don't know them or where they live and your 'advice' could lead to insecure people becoming worse in their self-loathing indirectly

Wtf? Why would anyone laugh at someone's murder?

why would people laugh?? i would’ve called them out that’s so messed up

the hell? id jump them, see how they like it

That class you were attending is full of sick and twisted idiots. Brutal murder is never funny, nor is what else they did to those poor kids. I wish people could just LEAVE OTHERS ALONE!! We don’t owe anyone an explanation of how we dress, or our hair color. Not one single thing is anyone else’s concern. This case makes me sick to my stomach and hurts my heart.

The south park generation imo (and I belong to it). "It's just a joke/fun/etc to dehumanise people".

me too, it makes me feel sick when i see people excuse themselves with autism.

Right? We're autistic, but they are psychopaths. 2 very different things.

hi there, i have a younger brother (age 7-8) who has autism and im just wondering if im in the wrong, my little brother tends to just take things whenever he wants, i always keep telling him the same things over and over on things that are right and wrong and somehow he doesnt listen at all and just continues to do things whenever and whatever he wants. I live with my grandma along with my brother, she would tell me that no matter what i would do to tell him that he is abnormal and that i should always be the one adjusting for him. Im so lost as her older sister, and I just need advice from people who are in the community and im trying my best to learn as well. I just want the best for my brother and i dont want him to end up in a wrong path when he grows up

@@albedosimp6166 Hi, it's awesome that you want advice from other autistic folk! At his age, it's likely a lack of impulse control. We can find it very hard to resist certain thoughts (I still struggle with this at age 24, lol). Some tips in relation to taking things: 1. Remove them from reach entirely (if possible) or lock them away. He may have meltdowns if he can't get to said items. Meltdowns happen because we feel overwhelmed and can't really understand/handle our emotions. Letting him have meltdowns and then talking to him once calm is a better approach than ignoring him entirely if he has them. 2. If you can't remove items, do the whole "actions have consequences" thing where you explain beforehand that if he takes XYZ, he'll be punished. This suggestion does get a bit tricky though as disruptions to an autistic persons routine/taking their stuff away can be very distressing. Maybe find a consequence that doesn't impact his normal routine and his belongings if possible. 3. Ask him why he needs/wants the stuff he's taking. Give him his own if you can, or ask him to come to you first if he needs/wants something. Maybe give him a small reward (favourite candy piece maybe?) if he comes to you first (I know this sounds like dog training, with rewards, lol) 4. Continue trying to explain calmly that he can't just take stuff. Explain how it hurts you/your grandma when he does this. Especially at his age, he'll be struggling to understand other people's feelings and their perspective. It's something we can struggle a lot with as kids. Explaining how it affects you/your grandma can help him understand the situation better. Maybe ask him how he'd feel if you took his stuff without asking. Likely, he'll hate it and it would upset him. And the same applies to you; it hurts you when he takes stuff. I know it can be tough being a parental figure/sibling to an autistic kid. It's even worse being said autisic kid however. This world isn't designed for us, parenting techniques aren't designed for us, the school system, social world and just ... Everything. We go through life without accommodations that can help our sensory issues, social situations. Reading and understanding facial expressions and body language can be very hard to grasp too. There's a lot that he'll likely struggle with growing up. I know I struggled growing up undiagnosed and being abused because I wasn't a "normal" child. There's unfortunately a lot more than a lack of impulse control/right from wrong that you'll have to deal with and help him navigate. For other common autisic struggles: Teaching him how to understand emotions - his own and other people's, how to handle those emotions, how words/emotions impact others, etc. If he struggles with loud sounds, noise cancellation headphones can help. Food struggles - letting him eat his "safe" foods and trying to include healthy smoothies/drinks to replace missing fruit/veg or vitamins, etc. There's plenty more issues we can go through and I know it can seem overwhelming, but the fact that you reached out for advice is an amazing step in on itself. I wish you guys the best of luck ❤️

@@rubylynx4394 Thank you so much! I just want to understand autism more and since we really can't afford professional help all the time. Thank you so much for the advice, it really means a lot and i just feel like it would be better to ask advice from someone who is a part of the community as well, so thank you again so much for your response!

That adds another dimension of horror and just….waste of the whole situation. They were so in love and young and full of life. It floors me that people see others minding their own damn business and decide to assault them to death for no reason. Where is this energy for convicted child predators?

I have just watched the video. this song is just beautiful and a great advocacy for tolerance as we are all different. I loved the story of this on BBC radio play. It broke my heart. I am a mum and this could happen to anyones children. Teach your kids that you shouldn't lash out for any reason. Show love and tolerance. Love and tolerance always

Thankyou for sharing that 😢✌🏻🕯️😭.

what is it called?

@@amira.178 “Murdered for Being Different”

I follow Robert and his art on Facebook. He never speaks of the case and Sophie but he has suffered depression it is very obvious in some of his posts a couple years back. He has now met a lovely lady and seems to be in a much better place mentally. Your heart does break for him though

@@traceyaydon814 does he still have a goth/alternative style?

@@hollie5099 Alternative yes and his art can be pretty out there. So happy he has a lovely lady in his life now. He dated one lady that pretty much used him to build her RU-vid channel.

I also found that interesting, and while I totally agree with his comment on the social and economic conditions breeding nihilism and hopelessness, I think it's clear he is wrong in his comments on the reason for the attack. After beating them, that gang of animals went and bragged with their friends about it by using derogatory terms for goths.

I feel bad for the poor girl, I’m way younger than both of you, but as a goth, I’m terrified of being attacked one day as well.

There was a lot of violent attacks on alternative teens and young adults at the time. I remember one guy I knew had his ear cut off. Others were badly beaten up.

I'm not goth but I love rock and alternative styles and music. I go to concerts and the community is the most supportive and nicest people!!! I made friends the first time I went to a concert

I go to the corn exchange all the time and honestly as a goth the amount of alternative people in the area makes me feel so included. This case is just heartbreaking

If he gets out he will kill again

It's not about being more likely to commit a crime however the number of prisoners with autism or ADHD isnt a joke. I'm autistic and ADHD (im also part of alternative emo crowd.) we are easily led by manipulative dangerous people who can encourage us to commit crime.

Hey we have the same last name.

I am so sorry this happened to you. It’s such bullshit because SO MANY teens now (especially on tik tok) dress alternative. it’s now “trendy”. The tiktok alt kids just discovered the song Bulls in the Bronx

@@amandarae2755 On one hand I understand this because I'd say 75% of them don't actually care about the subculture and still hate on people that are "too" goth/emo. But on the other hand I don't think they should be shamed too harshly, we all got into the subculture at some age and almost all by a form of social media and even when I was younger older alternative people hated on me (2011) for being a "youtube kid" since that's where I found a majority of the music. Everyone has to get into somehow, took me a while to realize it but feeling bitter towards younger alt people who are getting into the scene makes me no better than the people who hated on me.

My mom told me black nail polish was “satanic” and would always make me take it off…I never understood. I’m so sorry this happened to you :(

@@amandarae2755 I don't think they started dressing alternative as trend, I think the alt/goths started a trend together 😊

Well, the thing is where do we draw the line. Like I agree with you 100% about understanding people without being ridiculed… but would you say the same for people that do immoral things? Not saying this is in any way similar but I feel like there should be limitations on acceptance.. like pedophilia, beastiality, and so forth

@@thatbeaatcch9884 ofc I agree

@@thatbeaatcch9884 did you just compare pedophiles to alternative people 💀

@@thatbeaatcch9884 ok? But we weren't talking about that. Why do people need to bring in the “WhAt If ThEy LiKe liTtLe KiDs?” like? That's just so stupid and unbelievable 💀

@@thatbeaatcch9884 You're adding in something that has *nothing* to do with what the original comment said. No one walks around dressed like a p3do/beastiality freak, because there isn't a "look", it's all to do with the person's actions. Just because someone dresses goth, that doesn't mean that you can tell anything about the person based on that alone

I am so sorry. I would say I hope that you haven’t had to go through anything similar since but it is unlikely considering the world is so fucking stupid. But I hope you are alright

I’m so sorry that happened to you ❤

wtf?? those people are such degenerates. its literally just a different fashion style lol. im sorry that happened to you, i’m more into the goth subculture but gyaru and menhera fashion is honestly really cool to me so that’s very upsetting. nobody should be ridiculed or literally hatecrimed just for the way they look or dress

not to be that person but menhera and jirai kei aren’t fashion styles. i think u meant yamikawaii. in japan menhera and jirai kei are almost slurs for mentally ill n toxic ppl, it’s like the r-word in western countries.

@@V0Y463R yo! although they're used as derogatory terms, jirai kei and menhera are indeed fashion styles ^^ menhera (menhera is short for "mental health") and yamikawaii are very similar words. those who dress in yamikawaii usually call themselves " menhera's" (therefore why i refer to yamikawaii as menhera fashion). if it's confusing for others though, ill change it to yamikawaii :>> on the other-hand, jirai kei (landmine-girl) is most definitely a sub-fashion. in fact, it's the sister fashion of ryousangata since they're both super similar. the words jirai kei and menhera *are* still used as derogatory terms, they've been pretty much reclaimed at this point. sorry if my explanation is bad, english isn't my first language-

i dont really dress extremely different from people, but i do enjoy emo music and alot of goth music too. I either like to dress in a "normal way" with lots of pink and stuff. Today i decided to wear my new demonias to school with some spiderweb tights and a sweater. imo it wasnt even that extreme. But people stopped holding open doors for me, teachers stopped assuming i could perform in class the same.

@@stargirlabi_111 weirdos 💀"she's wearing platform shoes? welp, looks like she won't get good grades anymore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"

where they are going believe me they will pay

This must have been a horrifying experience on its own..but hearing about Robert and Sophie's attack soon After must have been si much more traumatising... i'm very sorry this happened to you. I wish you both the best 🦋

@@mayflyrose8195 Thank you. It was pretty bad, it left me with some anger and emotional trauma, not least because the police advised me to not press charges as "its a lot of paperwork and then they'll just get a warning and may retaliate".

@@FallenRobot arh i'm sorry...this is so relatable though... i've heard that phrase too and i've never felt more rage in my lire before hearing it.

I was looking for this comment. This one is gonna stick with me for a while.

@@Littleggroll Long-distance sympathy hug from internet stranger who understands. 😭

2007-2013 best era to beat up emoa

She came to Liverpool to do some talks too 😊

@@terrorgaming459 HUH

Same and I'm 25. But I learned about this case at school too, it was very trauamtising to learn about when you're sat there in a classroom with lads who look like that, and youre an alternative student .

Yes, the exact same thought I had!

Those monsters look inbred and should be put in a vegetable state to suffer. That or have them be paralyzed with pain.

Honestly yeah these types of people are the ones I stay far away from

Be safe!

i‘m so so sorry for what happens to your cousin, i hope you & your whole family somewhat recovered from what had happened, may she rest in peace. sweet sweet soul.

@@raydelrey1234 Thank you, that’s really sweet of you.

I'm so sorry for your loss. My heart goes out to your family and loved ones.

@@madalice5134 Thank you so much.

Hope you're doing better ❤️

@@donotsearchupshimesaba very much so, thank you

@@owldolly7142 anytime

You're not alone in that. I dropped out of school due to the bullying for being alternative too. I hope you found a hell of a lot of love and success since 💜

I wish I had been allowed to drop out. I never got to make it to university because of the trauma caused by being in education.

@@Victor_Graves it exists. You just must be a good girl and don't see it. Bullying and judgement exists anywhere there are humans.

@@Idkdude50 I hope she’s fortunate to go the rest of her years/school this way too. X

@@Victor_Graves I experienced it too, it was horrific and scary. I'm glad you have not and hope you never have to.

same