"Music Production Youtubers Are FRAUDS" 🤔 

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These producers just need to use the drip plugin then all would be well.

Great video! For me personally, I realized that I enjoy documenting and exploring the creative process much more than fine-tuning, releasing, and promoting music. In my videos, I make an effort to really showcase the joy of making music, which has been the driving force behind most of my life/career decisions. That's why after years as a drummer releasing music with bands and artists I decided to shift and focus on content creation. I just personally find it more rewarding and fun!

It's cuz out of the 3,920 videos where i make music, they amassed 120M+ views. That IS my catalog 😂

I've been a fan of all of these content creators. I've watched them for years but I found that most of them are using YT as an advertising platform for their merch, samples, production school or plugins, which is fine. There are much smaller producers who IMO provide more useful information and really share production techniques that are usable. There are also YT creators that speak the truth (I'm talking about you, Weaver) about this industry and provide a layman's review of products that I appreciate. I've unsubbed from all of those other content creators these days because I finally understood that watching versus doing wasn't really helping me improve. This was a great topic that needed to be addressed. Keep speaking the truth! I'll be there to watch, sometimes comment and laugh. Thank you!

It's like professors teaching a class. They might not be the most leading researcher in their field, but they're still knowledgeable enough to pass on knowledge.

solid video, good explanation, but there's plenty of people who are "youtubers" who also do well on spotify / other platforms... first two that come to mind are CookinSoul and L.Dre

venus theory is where I learn about the frustrations of a failed musician

Hearing Nick Mira in a list of RU-vid music producers sounds kind of wrong to me lol

Good video. All you said is probably true. I will add one thing: Knowing all the ins and outs of music theory and production doesn't necessarily lead to your own music being original and stopping listeners in their tracks when they hear it. Having top tier production is quite standard for big selling music, so it's hard to wow people with just that. Even with quality writing and production music can still blend into the rest of what's out there.

This is spot on man. I found what you said about how much time RU-vid takes to resonate with me, as I've found it quite hard to balance as much music as I used to make with making even weekly videos. There comes at a time when almost everyone has to choose to focus more on either RU-vid, or releasing music for their artist project. I personally decided to stick with my artist project as my main, with RU-vid on the side, but I fully get why some of these folks would pick the opposite. Great content!

I started to realize the making RU-vid stuff on top of making music on a consistent basis is tough as shit, especially when you don’t have enough finances to hire help. So it’s understandable why these guys focus on one platform than the other, especially if one of them has built them a huge audience for them

It just comes down to where you find your success and what you enjoy more. It's much MUCH harder to make it as a popular artist, you have to do SO MUCH crap that isn't music.. dealing with labels, promoters, touring, marketing, merchandise... other band members... it's a damn headache. A lot of producers made youtube channels to promote themselves but ended up doing way better for themselves than spotify could ever hope to for the effort involved. Look at Multiplier for example, he started out as a DJ and producer but shifted into sound design, music education and product promotion. Millions of people are all chasing the same dream but that dream is very narrowly focused. These people just found a different avenue to work in a music related field to fuel their passion.

The funny thing is I wouldn't have listeners if it wasn't for RU-vid but I would have more music out if I didn't do RU-vid. It's a conundrum.

Every point made perfect sense, here's an additional one on top that I didn't think of until a long way into this little youtube journey: marketing your music toward people that are totally absorbed in making their own music isn't the greatest bet 😁

One good way I found Venus theory reliable was by hearing the music he makes in videos.. I like it

I love when you do the funny bits in your vids, I even prefer it but I really do enjoy when you tackle more series topics too! Variety is the spice of life right? :D

This was a reall put together video with some great point. Going to have to sub to your channel now keep up the good work bro!

Just discovered this channel, loving your vibe, man. Great topic, you could even have gone more in depth it would have been okay I think . Love the general no fks given attitude

I think some people have a very narrow view of what success is. I've been creating for years and I've still learned something from all of you. So I thank you all. We shouldn't bite the hand that feeds us

This is a great video. Like you said, RU-vid producer content is so good when getting started. But other than that, you quickly come to a point where you're better off just going crazy in your DAW. Barely watch producer stuff today apart from a few who drop actual sauce

It’s wild to me how many people seem to think of these RU-vid producers as frauds because of low numbers on their own music. Besides the points you mentioned, I think another major one is branding. These people chose to be youtubers/teachers as their main goal to pursue, meaning the vast majority of their audience is there to learn something and doesn’t care about their own music, as sad as it is. Doesn’t mean they don’t know how to produce a banger, how to convey that knowledge and that it isn’t exactly what they enjoy doing though. I think it’s crucial to prioritize your goals and get the branding right as early as possible, and that it’s horrible advise to tell aspiring artists to make tutorials to boost their watch time and engagement, which you hear a lot in the marketing circles. If teaching isn’t your main goal, then don’t brand yourself as a teacher, unless you want your music in a chastity cage.

The music industry is a tough nut to crack, particularly if your only goal is to have lots of listens / downloads / etc. Over the last 20 years I've had to diversify hugely in the things I do to make an income from music, and none of those involve any stats that are publicly visible. I'm happy for producers that do build a following on Spotify, but it is just one path out of thousands in the industry. Also, how much money you make is the WORST way to judge yourself as a producer. Like any art, skill has nothing to do with income. Its about craftsmanship and passion. Even if you never release anything you can still build up a huge and valid knowledge of what it means to be a good producer.

People sharing small secrets, whatever they may be, is way more important to study than buying crappy VSTs and buying sample packs that are all the same samples from lex luger drum kit.

Venus Theory has been very open that his background is in sound design so I never expected a lot of streams from him. I don't care if they get a lot of streams because we have all seen hot garbage get a lot of streams and absolute musical geniuses get no traffic. The only streamers that bother me are the ones that are gung fuckin ho about EVERY product to the point where they have no credibility

lol, the istock photo in the background haha dope.

Cool video. We can attest that sometimes making your own music is not always your priority. We have plays but don’t often release our “own releases” Some people enjoy producing more for others than themselves. Also being a “Artist” in the music industry is not the only way to make a living. And tbh it’s not the most financially rewarding either if you think about it. Yes some cases of course but small percentage. Other producers can find other ways to make revenue streams. Great Vid dude! Really Interesting

I liked your take on this. I don't plan on doing any serious artist projects for another few years as I'm still learning and growing. But I do make the odd production tutorial when I get the urge to do a brain dump of something new I learned along the way. Sometimes I think I shouldn't upload tutorials because I don't have success to prove my worth. But in the end if I think I have something worth sharing I just do it anyway. And I try to be as honest as possible with what I do / don't know.

As someone who works with artists in person, helps on music video sets, does recording sessions with artists, balancing RU-vid as well on top of having a career in music is damn near impossible. It’s why my channel died after 2018, because I was too busy with recording sessions. Then once I moved to LA I had a little bit more time but it’s still rough.

This reminds me of similar situations where the Original Artist (the singer/vocalist) gets most if not all the attention. Whereas the composers, arrangers, lyricists, mixers, etc. are forgotten.

this was a dope video...very cool how u broke down everything and everyone in a positive light! great video idea

This is the same issue as with any type of teacher? If you're successful you might not feel the pull to become the teacher. Also, you might suck as a teacher (a lot of pros do). On the other hand, being a great teacher and communicator is its own skill. A lot of youtubers are great at that. There's the need for humility on the part of teachers to really deconstruct how the professionals (who are not teachers) work, and not fall into the trap of looking at themselves as the model for a professional, they might not always be. A teacher should be wary of only educating people to become new teachers like themselves. That said, a lot of the guys mentioned here are popular precisely because they manage to strike a good balance (and also provide more generally interesting content)

Simon used to work as a nurse as day job while maintaining the channel until recently. He came out of the pedal modding scene. He makes music but I don't think he aspires to make it on Spotify. So, you should have a look at those who present as working musicians in their videos. Cheers!

Wild to find your RU-vid after listening to your beats in like 2014 damn

Nick Mira and Ave Macree have placements with major label artist. Others put more of a focus on RU-vid and teaching. Plus RU-vid garners more of a faithful followers.

Recommended RU-vid teacher and talented producer - Mr. Bill ; absolute genius

A lot of times when you’re a content creator that’s not directly related to your music you separate yourself from your artist brand. I was afraid of being another content creator who is not so good at making quality tunes so I started streaming production and doing things from scratch while making educationally dedicated tutorials to balance it out. I thought that by making tutorials it would lead people to my music but that has not been the case. Would I would suggest though is be yourself as an artist from the beginning, stay humble, and be grateful for the audience that watches your content. It’s a really hard career but I’m so thankful I don’t have a 9-5

This was pretty cool seeing the perspective from the other side where you're not a huge youtuber but you have much more traction on different platforms. In a marketing class I learned that on average people only view about 3 degrees of the internet. Meaning that if the internet was a 360 degree circle, each person stays within a 3 degree range on that circle. I feel like what youre saying is also kinda similar. Like just because a RU-vidr has a bunch of subs doesnt mean their fans will go to a different platform and make them just as popular there. Especially if the content creators fans dont already use that platform frequently.

100% I think a lot of us "music youtubers" have also realized the futility of Spotify, it doesn't bring much to the table and for me I only ever find that it dilutes the audience. Anyone with a device can stream on RU-vid with lossless audio, so especially for us who care about the quality of music, I think the choice is obvious :) great points though, you baited me good and proper haha

life gets in the way. plus music isn't a winning game unless you are hustlin' or get lucky, IMO. any money i've made on music was never making my own sh!t. great vid!

Ahhh 😁 i love the stock photo backdrop

Your content is always incredible bro. It kills me that you don’t have a bigger following but I feel it’s coming soon if you keep it going with videos like this!

I was expecting this to be a roast that I wouldn't like but I was pleasantly surprised. I definitely find myself caught between spending a lot of time on music and spending a lot of time making videos/reviewing gadgets, but a lot of the time, if I'm honest, the videos are a Trojan horse for the music.

I straight up can’t make content if I’m using something I’m not personally excited about, regardless of the monetary incentive.

Don't forget Simon Servida. He's a great producer as well. And Ocean. Too many to list. Great video.

Lol on the topic of quality of product vs quantity of plays is very spot on. I personally like my own music, and ive been told a LOT that my stuff is quite good. I just dont have an audience because i am still trying to navigate marketing

I have watched videos by Andrew Huang and Venus Theory. Venus Theory showcases some interesting plugins and a bit of musical knowledge, and I would consider Andrew Huang more of a multimedia artist. The attraction to the latter for me is the way he thinks creatively, his process. From a weird sound to a fledged out piece or music, and the presentation of the journey. For instance, Spacetime. Very interesting concept, fascinating to see how he used his music in that, but to me not much of that music as a separate entity is probably ok. Another Huang video is the one where he recorded stuff on a frozen lake. Once again, the process and the mindset of his is what constitutes the entertainment for me. He is also insanely productive and have a truckload of albums on spotify. To sort through that to find the gems would take more time than I would like. It is kind of like the deal with Frank Zappa to me. I am not comparing Zappa and Frank as they are completely different beasts. Frank Zappa had a lot of catchy good stuff, but he also had a lot of that didn't speak to me. Another insanely productive musician us buckethead. I have maybe seen ten videos or so which he had some kind of involvement in, but usually the main attraction isn't mr. Head himself, but rather the collaborators. The only stuff by Andrew Huang I have listened to on Spotify is the 1st of October album he made with Rob Scallon. There were a few nice ditties there. If we're thinking purely economics, focusing on RU-vid as opposed to Spotify makes sense as well. I think RU-vid pays better than spotify per 1000 plays, and you can do brand deals as well if you get large enough. If we're talking about "regular producers" (as opposed to Andrew Huang style) I also much prefer RU-vid. I watch every Bishu and Eliminate video, but the process is what is interesting to me. The road from concept to track. Or weird sample to track. Bishu has been branching out to Twitch, but I don't have the patience to sit through a multiple hour stream. I can much more easily fit a 30 minute video into my day. So I am using RU-vid to get that stuff as well..

Thank you for this video! Awesome topic to think about. Yes, Spotify stats are not the be-all & end-all for majority of the artists and producers for measuring clout or success. 👍🏻❤️

As soon as I saw the stock background photo with the watermark on it I HAD to sub 😂

This is true because since I have been focusing on making videos and not releasing new music, my listeners have dropped greatly. I’m going back to releasing music from now on. Thank you for this video.

A lot of them are trying to sell u shit. Some are great but almost every video has become an ad.

A lot of these music production RU-vidrs are also on the game, working the streets, I've personally been noshed off by a few different music production RU-vidrs in the toilets of King's Cross train station here in the UK.

Dude great vid. Legit one of the best channels that cover our favorite hobby. Big ups! 🙌🙌🙌

My "production channel" started doing pretty good for so few videos. Then i felt that i needed more music out there to feel comfortable talking about my "expertise"

"Ave Mcree is a great critical reviewer (shows video of him playing MPC Key)" Damn that did not age well.

Interesting take, I enjoyed the commentary you should definitely do more videos like this when you have time. I've often thought about this as a content creator who very seldom releases his own tracks and also have some additions to reinforce everything you've said... not that anyone probably cares to read it 😉 There's a huge economic side to this whole thing. It's insanely hard and expensive to market Spotify streams at a sustainable level. Andrew Southworth for example has made his whole RU-vid channel about marketing Spotify streams and he has results to prove it works, but the monetary return on investment does not exist. He is also an electrical engineer and has a huge modular setup so I'm guessing he has a budget to lose money on promoting Spotify streams. I've always been curious to see his whole profit/loss on his promotions, but regardless his whole thing is about growth not profit but if that's what it takes to keep up then there is a huge financial barrier to entry. Spotify is becoming a lame metric for "success" because sans promotional budget it's very hard to get anyone to find your page given the current methods of finding new music and triggering algorithms to even have the system recognize you exist. It almost becomes a pay to play where success is tied to promotional budget and less to the quality of the music. I think the most important metric of success is how the person making the content/music is bringing fulfillment to themselves through their craft, however that may be. And if they truly suck, no one would even follow their RU-vid pages... the internet is not shy to point out shenanigans when they see it! Another aspect is that obviously if you have a large following then redirecting people to your Spotify gets a bit easier, but even some of these large channels like Andrew Huang and Venus Theory who don't have massive stream quantities despite huge followings also derives from the fact people don't universally follow those channels for their music but rather to find inspiration and perhaps learn something. But even getting that following in the first place requires you to build an audience doing something interesting in the first place (ie making production/tutorial videos) so the core audience isn't built around their music (unless of course an artist builds their RU-vid around their finished musical content but it's hard to be discovered doing this vs making a video about a topic people are searching for). This also ties into the economic side where earning $X from a RU-vid video from ad revenue/sponsorships/etc is more valuable than earning pennies from streams so time is more financially reward if spent on content creation because there are only so many hours in the day. Plus it then becomes measurable that people would rather hear you talk then listen to your music (I've never listened to your Spotify, for example but have seen a few of your videos... subscribing after this one btw) 😝 Me personally, I struggle with deciding if something is even good enough to release. I've released around 5 tracks or so on Spotify under my own artist names but have deleted all but the most recent because not only have my production skills increased tremendously over the years to where I now hear everything wrong with old tracks, but also the brand and goals of what I want to be as an artist is constantly changing and while I'm still building a vision for what I want my music to be, it doesn't stop the fact that I'm growing and creating music every day. I've also fought this battle my whole career as a graphic designer, it's just a plight of being an artist that I think a lot of us struggle with. Love the quote from DaVincI "Art is never finished, only abandoned." Needless to say I don't even market my music on streaming platforms because it's not where I'm trying to invest my time and effort because there is no return, at the moment. If I post a short track concept on RU-vid or Instagram people hear it, give feedback, and follow, sometimes even want to collaborate without having to pay a dime to promote those videos. I post a full track on Spotify and no one hears it unless I pay to promote it one way or another. Plus I don't care to grow on a platform that doesn't serve me and that takes revenue generated off the backs of artists and then gives that money to sign podcasters. Tidal is trying to change the game on that but last time I used it their algorithm for discovering music outside of what they wanted you to listen to was basically non-existent. The way people are consuming is changing and the way to reach those consumers is different. For example I listen to music everyday, but I only open Spotify maybe twice a month now otherwise I listen to live performances or music videos on RU-vid of smaller artists I enjoy that would never be recommended on Spotify. Plus I'm then directly connected with their Patreons/Bandcamps/etc and can support them more directly. Also going back to Andrew Huang for a moment, look at his SpaceTime album. One track has 500k listeners but the next highest is 50k and it drops off significantly from there, but when he made that video series of him on his ship he got millions of combined views on RU-vid, received sponsorship/ad money, grew his following, and also delivered his music to people's ears at the same time. It was like an educational musical and was completely brilliant. The best any of us can do is just adapt, respond, and do what we personally think is best for our careers. I've also been keeping other producers and artists close to make sure that as I grow they grow with me which I think is one of the most important powers anyone with a following can yield. Look at the origins of Kyle Beats propping up Simon Servida early on in Simon's career which catapulted him forward. Kyle even posted a poll about it recently asking if "Simon should be considered his son" or something like that 🤣 Apologies for the essay, I actually copied this whole comment and pasted it as a draft video script. I just really enjoy this topic and economics of this industry/individual artists and could talk about it for hours. I spend a lot of time drawing up/updating my business plan and I'm entering into year 2 and so far I'm on track... a bit ahead of schedule even. Maybe I'll make a blog post about it, the ones I have get more views than my Spotify because appearing on Google searches is also free 🙃 Well I didn't know I'd stay up until 1am writing this, you've just inspired me I guess. Stay breezy! 🙌

I release instrumentals in lofi, Synthwave & i done a producer compilation with artists on my beats done by me via Spotify. I just started focusing on RU-vid this year. I kept putting it off in the last few years because I always knew that with YT I MUST BE CONSISTENT on it. I can honestly say that I really appreciate the RU-vid producers so much more from doing it this year. YT is a lot more harder compared to Spotify in my experience because you have to constantly plan content, schedule release and be on it consistently, editing itself takes a lot of time out of the Day, not to mention topics to do, knowing keywords, hashtags & getting the videos out there to an audience. Spotify you can release music as a producer for an example a 4 song project, you can rotate every song to push for a month &’do that for about 2-3 months and do another release or find genre labels to do releases through &’depending on the label it’s possible they’ll do promo for you too. Though YT is much harder to do compare to Spotify, YT rewards you much better than Spotify because the monthly listeners as you mentioned people will judge you off that alone without wanting to check the music out & plus they don’t really mean anything it’s just what you done in the last 30 days. Great topic & im glad you defended them ✊🏽🐉

Interesting video man, keep up the good work! 🙌🏻

Whats up bro. Hope all is well. Not sure if you remember me but I don't think I seen you since HCC. Keep up the content. Love this channel.

YES!! Especially the ones that comment a lot

Meanwhile Frank Pole being a f-ing dork on youtube while having over 40 million streams on spotify 😂

I just wanna make music. Not be famous. But the RU-vid hustle got me thinking weird lol.

i think it's just that we don't even expect them to release music. dan worrall once released an album and i just couldn't listen to it with open ears because i recognized all those parts from the tutorials so it felt more like a tech demo. ofc i know it can still secretly be an honest piece of music, but when the musician's image does not fit that makes it harder to transport pure emotion. another important aspect is: people are getting older, so you might learn more and more techniques every day but you are also losing touch with most recent trends if you are unlucky. you end up knowing useful things but you can still not solve the puzzle yourself, so to say

I watch RU-vidrs for tips and see how they make music. But I don’t listen to any of their music. I look at them more like teachers.

the same i think about composers. I am happy to have more music done to show than flufff, or „ see what i am doing“

The Music Production business is very much like the Photography business. There is almost no money to be made producing music, just like there is no money to be made from photography. But a lot of people still hope and thus believe there is. And that is why there is money to be made selling tutorials, samples and plugins. That is the market.

The reason I subscribe to your channel is because you will point out the crap products. Too many times I click on what is supposedly a tutorial on X. (Compression, EQ etc.) Then within seconds they say you need Y plugin and it will improve your mix so much and so easily just by slapping it on everything. Where is the filtered excellence? It’s such a slog navigating through what is essentially non stop marketing to get to something useful. It has jaded me to the point where I don’t buy any plugins. If I can’t get it for free I’ll find a way to do it with stock plugins. 😃

Now, it would be awesome if you do a part 2 to this video focused on music marketing "gurus".

"Woke up and chose violence" Beats

Well, it’s like teachers. They got the knowledge and spread it, but they don’t necessarily have a job in the field they’re teaching.

why do people always point out the bad side of people but not the Good side

I agree youtube is crazy hard and music production is a niche category. Video production is a skill in itself and it requires time to edit and really pull together information to make a good video. It’s hard promoting yourself and trying to provide content together that will grab attention in the category. It’s not something you should take lightly. You have to be dedicated to doing it and have time to make it successful.

Yooo i9bonsai on the Spotify right off the drop, suddenly I trust you

I think another reason some of these guys have no music is the weird focus on acquiring gear. You burn so much energy worrying about your next purchase, and once you get it all music making stops, because now you have a new piece of gear to learn. Now you have to make multiple RU-vid videos about the new gear. I’m sure most of these guys hold down 9-5s and probably have families. I can see how making actual music can fall to the side

Promoting your music sucks because music lovers tend to appreciate music they discover and not music they are promoted to. But without promoting your music you get nowhere in the music industry. So for most artists the only solution is creating content and not making music continuously.

I always thinking of the saying of “those who can’t do, teach”. And while I don’t agree with that 100%; there’s definitely two sets of skills. I appreciate someone who’s maybe not as good production wise or has had hits but can teach really well vs the opposite. So cheers for the RU-vid’s who while I might not resonate with their music but have taught me to vibe with my own. That being said Benn Jordan absolutely slaps, and definitely rank mr bill high up there!!

I’m a producer and sound engineer and I don’t have time to make videos, I’m busy producing and mixing for clients. I do enjoy the occasional tip/insight and I appreciate it when professionals take the time to share their knowledge

just bc they know how to mix doesn't mean they make music people WANT to hear. Or just like what you said they make beats for other artists! I'm actually moving the opposite. I come from an artist route going into youtube :)

In the band/orchestra world, many top class and first chair musicians aren't really good at teaching. And on the flipside, there are many that are garbage at their instruments yet are absolute gods of theory and teaching.

Love your Content Bro

Also, music production is not music composition. People can be excellent producers but not excellent composers, whatever that means. I don't think there's any way to compare what they teach with the music they create, they're really very different things. It's kinda like expecting a literature teacher to write a great novel, or a movie critic to direct a great movie... in a way the creators you mention are an example of that quote ‘Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach’. They may have knowledge to pass on, but have no inspiration or interest in applying that knowledge themselves

Really like the content I’ve seen , keep it up your contents great 🔥🤞

If we focus on YT producers that are sponsored by fraud companies or YT producers that act extra excited about something because they are paid to that's whole another topic lol. Shout out to Ave Mcree tho he is one of the ppl that don't give a fuck he tells what he really feels about products

I know andrew has a bandcamp, and simon as well puts together magpie pirate compilations all the time, but there are a few production youtubers that I always questioned this about. People making production videos but I would almost never listen to these artists on my own will.

Cameron (Venus Theory) does more sound design and "commercial" music stuff! 😁

Last point is probably the best point. If you find success somewhere, you tend to focus your energy there. Non-content creators don't realize how much time and energy it takes to make content. If you make a ton of videos, you don't have the time or energy to promote your own music. And when you do have time or energy to promote something, it will probably be your RU-vid channel.

RU-vid takes a lot of time! And its fine not to have music released out there. Nice topic! Thanks for covering this one.

Excellent job. I key is this: some people are truly great teachers. That's what they are good at. The lack of hits means it has not translated over to the market. BUT that does not mean that what they are teaching and how they are teaching it is not DOPE.

Nice video weaver, really well put together.

A very legitimate question. So glad you covered the topic!

You are good. I like that. Keep up the good work my friend!

I love doctors with print out credentials too

Content pays more...1,000,000 streams = 4,000. Minus whatever you have to pay to get it there. Assuming you're making your own song and don't have to share that with anyone. Or you can make a course and sell sample packs and make 4K a week. The music industry are the real frauds. People just singing up to live in debt to look cool on socials.

I used to make beat making videos. I wanted to give back to the community and to mainly gain a music fanbase. I stopped because that wasn't the content I wanted to make, I wanted to make music and films. I was also slowly thinking like a youtuber instead of an artist. My channel was getting subscribers for my content not my music. Therefore, I have no good reasoning on why majority of my subscribers should care if I drop something. So yeah, I am officially an artist and not turning back.

Ive been actually thinking the same thing lately.. nobodys an actual artist with the exception of a few...

I listen to DJ Ave Mcree on spotify in the car or while I'm cleaning, Marlow Diggs has some good stuff too

This makes me feel better about not having basically any spotify plays. I make a lot of beats and apparently the casual listener market on spotify doesn't care about that. Most of my audience is on Newgrounds

I'm not sure if "fraud' would be the term I'd use... Though there are way too many youtubers claiming they are "music producers' when in fact they are far from it. A music producer is a well acclaimed and established creator of the logistics in recording an album. They essentially act as the manager for the entire process and have worked and released countless artists who have hit the mainstream charts around the world. You also have those within the film industry and orchestral but will not delve into that. The problem nowadays is people purchase daw's, make a beat via midi and samples, (with no knowledge of how to play an instrument), post it on their youtube channel and claim they are producers/mixing and mastering engineers then try and teach the audience how to become the jack of all trades and become a songwriter and artist etc..... with no real portfolio to back them. Just because I purchased a camera and start taking photo's doesn't make me a photographer. These youtubers are not 'producers'. They are youtubers who are in essence 'producing' content that interests them and hoping to make a buck out of it. A real music producer doesn't have time for making youtube content unless they have fulfilled their career or retired and want to share some of their knowledge. I know which channel I would rather follow.

Yup we're all frauds, Fact..... I just happen to make a living noodling about with audio and not so much as a traditional "musician". But on youtube no one wants to know how i made that outrageously corporate bit of music for a virgin atlantic advert lol They want to INSTANTLY know how to be "insert artist" And the fact is we cater to what the audience watch.

I've been saying that for awhile now. None of these guys have a major placement yet they know more than producers who do.