Before watching our whole reaction video, can YOU guess which John Williams soundtrack inspired a tiny bit of the vocal melody of Moonwalk? Hint: the movie has a scene with the moon in it :P And of course many thanks to Moonwalk's topliner Adrian Mckinnon for the behind-the-scenes info!!!
@@komorebins because they can't because of the stuff that's going on between Korea and China. They can't outwardly show the connection because that would hinder whole well WayV is revived in China.
@@cheyenneeagle4815 that's actually not true. people used to say that they couldn't promote as nct because there was some kind of law that banned kpop, but the only ban that ever existed was touristic, and it only lasted for like 2 months I think. I believe (and it's obvious) there's something going on behind close doors, but for now, we don't know at all. I just hope they're actually an nct sub-group because i'm such an ot21 stan.
to give a little more insight on the Chinese title "天選之城" (this is traditional Chinese btw), the literal translation is "city chosen by the gods"! though 天 can be literally translated as sky like Kevin said, it can also mean god like in 上天 (literal translation up in the sky, but also a way to say god in Chinese)
the lyrics are about the creation of a city up in space/the sky/the heavens/the moon??maybe where its like a utopian society so 天選之城 definitely matches their concept!! tbh id translate it more to "heavenly city" or "divine chosen city" or sth bc by the gods is a mouthful
okay, this is a bit lengthy, but this is everything in my understanding: wayv both is and isn’t part of nct. because of Korean/Chinese political problem things (THAAD) they weren’t technically allowed to associate with nct/be called nct china when they debuted/debut under the actual sm label. (I think things are calming down though since they’re starting to perform on k-music shows/SuperM’s existence? not 100% sure) that’s why they have a different lightstick, new fandom name, their own fan page, etc. that’s also why when superm was announced they said ten and lucas from wayv, even though they debuted in nct u. however, they are also “technically” part of nct since 4/7 members had already debuted under nct, obviously they all still use the same practice room and there are private interactions, and then there was the one sm conference where it was confirmed that wayv is a subunit of nct. there’s very much a divide in the fandoms (nctzens/weshennies) on whether or not wayv IS part of nct because the existence of the group is complicated. I’m not sure if all of the members of nct were barred from talking about members of wayv or vice versa by sm or not (some of them were definitely scolded for it *cough* renjun bringing up winwin in a livestream and it getting edited out before it was posted *cough* but I’m not sure if it was enforced for everyone), but people have brought that up. and then people have also preached mistreatment because wayv hasn’t done much as a group this year music-wise/promo-wise, and they’ve stayed separate from nct branding, yet when the lightstick was revealed it seemed that sm was trying to bridge the two groups together even though their actions throughout the year said otherwise. my brain is scattered tryna think about everything and it’s just sO MUCH the short answer is, wayv is and isn’t nct. make of that what you will, umu.
ellyoddle the members are allowed to talk about each other recently due to the calming down of the tension. Also, I don't think it's sm's fault that they are not getting enough stages and promotions. In China, you don't have the same music shows as Korea, so basically you have nowhere to promote. They've already been to several famous variety shows in China. They've been doing endorsement and attending activities of luxury brands. That's actually all they can do. That's the reality of chinese entertainment industry. Ofc sm can't provide the best promotion they can in China because they are a foreign company and they don't have enough local resources. SM is trying their best to break through the market rn and they need time. I think that's what SM trying to do with nct- expanding globally and trying to break through different market with local collaboration. (Like the US collaboration with Capitol Records.) Anyways, I m so glad that they finnally get to promote in Korea and they've finally got proper stages. I'm so proud of them.
Clementine C Yeah. I don’t think it’s very fair to say that SM is mistreating WayV. The Chinese entertainment industry just operates so differently and it’s so hard for idol groups to break through. There isn’t an established way/routine to promote idol groups (i.e. good quality music promoting shows). Tfboys aside, Chinese idols’ only way to gain relevancy as singing/dancing idols is through produce shows, and even that is starting to lose steam.
Why its confusing wayv is part of nct i mean literally members talk about each other a lot and yesterday in ema even nct members mentioned them and sm representatives always said wayv is chinese subunit of nct. What more do u guys need to confirm!
Clementine C I just put that point there cause I’ve seen it on twitter. I think most of the people on there aren’t aware of Chinese idol promotion and how it’s different from Korean idol production
@@sunnyshriya thaad IS a missile defense agreement but from what I've understood, the agreement did give a bad impact for the relationship between south korea and china. So I've heard china somehow banned some things related to south korean products which might or might not included the music market, since right after the agreement korean idols have a little to no promotions in china
oh, WayV ARE an NCT sub-unit. SM director's have mentioned it in official meetings before and the members have hinted at it quite a lot I think they just had(things seem to be changing this month) to distance themselves from SM because of the Chinese-Korean relations and stuff
All of WayV's music videos have been on the SMTOWN channel from the start, they've never been distanced? And if we're talking about Chinese idols in relation to Korea-China relations, Lay who actually has ties to the Chinese government was in his group's MV a whole year ago.
@@mishajirov he gets criticised for literally everything, him being criticised does not prove the point. Plenty of Chinese idols are active within kpop groups while having careers in China. Hell 2 of the WayV members debuted again in SuperM which, though marketed to the US, is a kpop group. Were SM not worried about distancing WayV from kpop when they were planning SuperM (planning which started before WayV even debuted)?
@@ActuallyAnanya ppl from mainland china in general don't watch mvs on RU-vid, they have their own app for that. so it doesn't matter in which channel they upload their mvs to. well it actually does, in business sense. smtown channel already has millions subscribers, it's only logical they put their mvs there.
@@taeilsays The point is Label V operates under SM and this is public knowledge. The fact that WayV come from SM is not a secret to people in China. SM has categorically erased the WayV members who previously debuted with NCT as being NCT members. The account that tweets on NCT birthdays does not for WayV members who were NCT. For Ten and Lucas when they were debuting with SuperM, their profiles said their debut dates were the date of WayV's debut. Ten lost 3 whole years according to their stats. Can you blame fans for wanting the group to have their own identity since they aren't able to access the privileges of the NCT brand and those who were publicly NCT are being so badly mistreated as NCT members?
I should have known Adrian McKinnon had a hand in this masterpiece! After superhuman i looked back and realized he’s worked on a lot of songs I really love. Always look forward to his work he’s easily one of my favorite producers at the moment
Song is a bop. Album is an even bigger bop. Like, I am so glad they finally got an entire mini-album with their OWN songs and not chinese versions of NCT 127 songs.
ooooh so THATS why the piano bit sounded familiar lol i thought they were going for the movie sound but i didnt know it was directly inspired by actual movie sound tracks
This song is so cinematic in its vocals but the video, dance, and everything is still kpop and it still has that WayV style drop with the guitar and Ten’s solo AND OMG ITS PERFECT🤩
*MOONWALK IS JUST. REALLY REALLY EXTREMELY GOOD* it reminded me so much of early kpop sound which i started with thats why im in love with it soooo much
omg MOONWALK! I freaking love this song. Kevin getting excited about the Chinese language is such a mood. I really hope you do more WayV in the future! They're amazing. P.S: WayV are a subunit of NCT, they just do not hold the name NCT in them. Their label is also a branch of S.M, based in China, so they can work in and for the Chinese market. This is all due to Korea and China having issues. However, WayV appeared on Korean music shows with Moonwalk, which is something nobody saw coming.
Thank you for reacting to this! I knew it reminded me of sci fi soundtracks like ET, star wars and doctor who but didn’t know there was an an actual reference in there!
And today WayV Will Released Love Talk MV , This song is A gift song from them to The fans but The LYRIC is so sfabsvsjanjala And The MV Teaser is so sexy i hope You guys react to it later 😂😂😂
The are. It’s clear it’s there. There was this whole thing going on because of the whole Korea/China background. But they are now all considered a 21member team. So yes WayV is a NCT unit.
I was really waiting for your reaction. On my first listen, I knew 10 seconds in that this was going to be a masterpiece. Nice to know about the lyrics too. Thanks, Kevin
WayV is official, SM board of directors member said WayV is an NCT subunit for the Chinese market and NCT officially has 21 members including WayV. Several members of WayV are also members of the NCT subunit NCT U and were part of NCT 2018 :)
I can’t figure out if WinWin is still a member of NCT 127 subunit though I hope he is! If Ten, Lucas, and Taeyong can fit in SuperM then I imagine he can fit 127 as well, but even if not at least he’s finally getting lines!!
this is my favorite wayv's reaction, more because you have kevin who understands chinese and reacted to the lyrics as well! wayv just came back with their first full album, i hope kevin would be back to react to it. 9 songs in the album are all great and i know you'd like them! i recommend domino, after midnight, and electric hearts for bside tracks :)
four years later and moonwalk is still the most loved title track of fans by wayv. thoroughly enjoyed watching your reactions because of how interested you actually are with the musicality of the songs itself! plus we get to learn more about music, and now even a bit of chinese, from you guys 🖤
It is so funny looking back at this reaction. We were not even sure whether WAYV was part of NCT or not(I knew it was but there was so much contestation that it could confuse anyone). Now look at us riding the WayV tide.
On the topic of whether WayV is a unit of NCT or not: it's complicated. Most solo WayV stans see them as a separate group, mainly because they don't want to associate themselves with both NCTzens and SM (since SM is notorious for treating their chinese artists badly). Most NCT fans see WayV as part of NCT, because Kun, Lucas, Winwin and Ten are NCT members and Yangyang, Xiaojun and Hendery were introduced very similarly to how other new NCT members were introduced. Also because a chinese NCT unit had been teased so long it made sense that when WayV debuted they would be part of NCT. The thing that makes it more confusing is that the company has both unofficially confirmed that WayV is part of NCT, while also unofficially keeping them away from NCT (presumably because of tense relations with China). So the answer to the question of whether WayV is part of NCT is: it depends on who you ask...
I don't know why someone would say they aren't an NCT subunit, they clearly are Nice to see someone appreciate the Chinese lyrics. Please bring him for more WayV songs
Ahhhh I love how I formative you guys are with your reviews. I appreciate the dissection of this song. I already love it but now I can understand and relate this back to WayV's first EP and see the vibes they are going for
Wayv is one of the NCT subunits, idk why people keep saying SM never said this when there have been statements before that they are part of NCT in multiple presentations. Their treatment in SM is lackluster but its getting better finally thankfully.
There was a press conference talking about nct and it was a official prees conference hold by SM and there the representative of S M said that Wayv is the chinese subunit of NCT
Ivory Black As a chinese speaker, I would say that the lyrics are very grand and fancy. It's about how they as god create the new world(the new utopia as always mentioned in NCT concepts.) There are lyrics like the cilvilization finally settled on the 7th day and when people are praising the myth, I decided to bend myself and take the first moonwalk in the newly built world. It sounds very god like and even condescending to me. And I believe that's the main concept this time. They've ended an era and opened a new world. Actually most WayV lyrics are quite complicated. It's the same with takeoff. Chinese fans always joke about how we understand nothing but English during the first listen and when we look at the lyrics, the members actually have perfect pronounciations and sing it clearly. It's just the lyrics in it are so fancy and out of daily context, you don't form a sentence like that very often.
*WAYV IS A PART OF NCT!!!* People who say otherwise have no idea what they're talking about. It's been confirmed by executives. Due to the Hallyu Ban and such, they've just had to put some distance between WayV and the rest of NCT. And if I remember correctly, WayV was initially going to be called NCT Rainbow or something like that. Anyways, THANK YOU FOR REACTING TO WAYV!!!! 😭😭😭 They deserve more love and attention like the rest of their NCT bros.
trixia mae Not wrong. They almost have the same music style as NCT 127 ”Regular” ”Take Off” ”Turn Back Time” Because of promotion in China they had to adapt to the local market and remove official references to Korea. Unofficially, people know that they are from Korea.
So far this is my favorite reaction of WayV - Moonwalk at first i didn't quite understand what the song about, And with kevin explanation about the lyrics it made the song more "WOW" in my mind. I'm curious how the others think about this song. I hope they can react to this song.
WayV is a unit in nct, they always where.They couldn't really be seen with the Korean parts of the groups cause of the tensions between Korea and China, but they are part of nct. Now its basically official cause they ARE INCLUDED in the nct 2020 project. AND LITERALLY WAYV DEBUTED WITH A WHOLE ASS CHINESE VERSION OF REGULAR, THAT'S AN NCT SONG.
An SM representative has confirmed WayV to be a sub unit of NCT in a press conference a while ago. SM also plans on WayV to be “the next big thing” for them, at least according to what was said/shown in that press conference where they had a graph of each year and from 2019 forward it said WayV!
Yes, they are a sub unit from NCT, even tho they have a totally different name and their label is also chinese they are NCT member so, you're right about that hahah. Currently there are 21 members in nct including them.
This is my favorite reaction because you guys not only discuss about the music or the visual, but also the lyrics. I'm not a Chinese speaker, but I read the Eng translation and I was blown away, so I'm glad a Chinese speaker is also impressed. Please react to the whole mini album! It's sooo worth it. 🙏
WayV is now an official subunit of NCT. It is the Chinese unit of NCT. The director of NCT already confirmed it and their new music video Love Talk is posted in SMTOWN's RU-vid channel (let's str34m moonwalk and love talk y'all btw)
Yasssss finally WayV 😭 Thank you so much. I recommend Love Talk tho. They just drop the song's MV today, but it's english version. Please check it out🙏🏼
WayV are an NCT sub-unit but they're under a Chinese sub-label of SM for sake of avoiding political tensions interfering with their promotions. But SM official spokespeople have referred to them as NCT's Chinese sub-unit!
WayV is their own group and 4 members out of 7 are from nct system. I REALLY LOVE YOUR REACTION. This is the first time I heard people talking about lyrics and music in detail in reaction vids. This is my most favorite wayv reaction so far.
I think most NCT's title track talk about dream or reality instead of romance or human relationship. By the way, WayV also put the chinese title and english title together in one sentence in Take Off, so I guess that will be their thing.
I think they used what some may call God/Space chords that's why it sounds so much like a film score even though the ET motif was hidden. I even saw some comments saying the song makes you feel like you're in space or like some science documentary. Because that's what the chords that they picked make you feel. It sounds so divine that it suits the title and the group name.
lmao where? and don't tell me it was at that conference because that was a long time a ago. maybe if sm acted like wayv was part of nct then i would believe, but they have literally excluded wayv members from the nct brand. be glad that ten, kun, lucas and winwin have found a family because they certainly are
sassenach lmao if you don’t know better than the ceos of the companies don’t open your mouth. if you don’t know about the political tensions btwn china and korea don’t open your mouth. wayv has the same light stick except it’s a v. they also debuted with regular chinese version AND THE LYRICS EVEN SAY “BEFORE C-T THERES N”. what more do you people want???
To me, WayV is a subunit of NCT. Their fans are named really similar, their lightsticks are soo similar too, their official color is the same, their members are almost always together, etc. SM is still trying to manage well their activities in China and that's why they haven't be introduced as an NCT subunit yet. But lately NCT and WayV have interacted a lot and WayV is also speaking korean and promoting in Korea so, I think things are improving and soon we'll see NCT as a 21 members group💚
when first i listen to this song, i automatically think that you guys should make a reaction to this, because the music is sooo rich! thanks guys for making this!
