I've been following you for a while Subboor. You are a very intelligent person and fluent speaker. You have inspired me to become a well read person, and I really mean that. I'm proud to have someone as yourself in the muslim community. You deserve way more views and subscribers, you are truly an example of what a Muslim should strive to be in terms of intellectual competence and character. May God produce more well read people like yourself inshAllah. Maybe someday, when I am intellectually competent enough, we can become a team inshAllah. May Allah grant you Paradise Brother 💗
If Jordan Peterson can't affirm that he is a Christian or that God is real without copping out with "well define this define that" then he is by definition not a Christian.
He wants to have his cake and eat it. He wants the spiritual backing and depth of being religious without having to answer to the scientistic types in academia that he surrounds himself with
What is meant by *heaven* and *hell?* *Ibn al-Qayyim* (may Allah have mercy on him) said: As a matter of fact, Paradise is not a word that refers only to trees, fruits, food, drink, hoor al-‘een, rivers and palaces. Most people are mistaken when they think that Paradise is limited to that, for Paradise is a name for the abode of perfect and absolute bliss, and one of the *greatest joys of Paradise will be the pleasure of gazing upon the noble Countenance of Allah and hearing His words, and the delight of being close to Him and attaining His pleasure.* There can be no comparison between the physical pleasures in Paradise - such as food, drink, clothing and images - and that pleasure. *Attaining the least divine pleasure is greater than Paradise and all that it contains,* as Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “But the good pleasure of Allah is greater still” [at-Tawbah 9:72]. In other words, no matter the extent to which Allah is pleased with His slave, even if it is small, it is still greater than Paradise. In the saheeh hadith about seeing Allah, it says: “… and Allah will not give them anything that is dearer to them than gazing upon His Countenance.” According to another hadith: “When He, may He be glorified, manifests Himself to them and they see His Countenance with their own eyes, they will forget all the bliss that they had been enjoying, and will become oblivious to that joy and will pay no attention to it.” Undoubtedly, this is how it is, And the matter is much greater than one could think or imagine, especially when the lovers there find themselves with the one whom they love, for a person will be with the one whom he loves. What bliss, delight, joy or triumph could come close to the joy, pleasure and tranquillity of being with Allah? Is there anything superior to the pleasure and joy of being close to the Beloved, for there is nothing greater than Him, or more perfect, or more beautiful, and nothing could give greater comfort and happiness? This - by Allah - is the type of knowledge that the lovers are striving hard to attain, and is the banner around which all those who have knowledge of Allah rally. It is the most important thing in Paradise, through which Paradise becomes a place of joy, and the life of Paradise is based on that. So how can it be said that one should not worship Allah for the sake of attaining Paradise or for fear of Hell? *Similarly, Hell* - may Allah protect us from it - is a place where its dwellers will suffer a great deal when they are partitioned away from Allah and suffer disgrace, divine wrath and anger, and being far away from Him. That will be worse than the flames of fire in their bodies and souls. In fact, the flames of this fire in their hearts is what led to the flames burning their bodies, for those flames spread everywhere in their bodies from their hearts. The aspiration of the Prophets and Messengers, the siddeeqs (the strong and true in faith), the martyrs and the righteous is Paradise, and what they seek to flee from is Hell. And Allah is the source of strength, and in Him we put our trust. There is no power and no strength except with Allah; Allah is sufficient for us, and He is the best disposer of affairs. {Madaarij as-Saalikeen (2/80, 81)}
Agreed it's like he wanna stay "politically correct" and not upset anyone from any group of his followers so he can't even say what his actual beliefs are he just wanna continue to be known as that guy that everyone from every faith backs
I absolutely love the discussion. But brothers please can you maybe clean up the audio quality? The background noise eats away the words being spoken and I find myself having to rewind multiple times to understand what was said. Again, Jazakallah for all you've done and assalamualaikum.
Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "None of you should wish for death because of a calamity befalling him; but if he has to wish for death, he should say: "O Allah! Keep me alive as long as life is better for me, and let me die if death is better for me.' " SAHIH AL BUKHARI❤❤❤❤
I must say, Tony is a very likeable person and seems a very humble individual and I wish for him that he would not go overboard with his God gifted intelligence as some people do take pride or become arrogant with their intelligence, this is where ISLAM comes in handy for Us, as revealed in the Holy Qur’an, the very Story of D’Ablos (Iblees - Father of All Evil), Pharaoh and Haman, Differnt Phases of Israelites, etc.
I truly believe with how dishonest people are and how easy it is for people to accept claims people want respect but don’t have the audacity to listen- to the fact that someone can lie and we trust people so much regardless of what humans have done.
A very intelligent debater. I agree with him to some extent that postmodernism is basically person himself understanding religion but at the same time the tools are good but not when it comes to discussing objective reality
Peterson for sure is, there is some honesty in Tony though, especially the fact that he does not entirely rely on logical positivism or even postmodernism.
how the hell this kind of people even makes a decisions in life, as smart as Peterson is he should realized the context of the question that's thrown at him by looking at who's questioners are, the topics of questions ect, doesn't necessarily super deep philosophical questions.
What is meant by *heaven* and *hell?* Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allah have mercy on him) said: As a matter of fact, Paradise is not a word that refers only to trees, fruits, food, drink, hoor al-‘een, rivers and palaces. Most people are mistaken when they think that Paradise is limited to that, for Paradise is a name for the abode of perfect and absolute bliss, and one of the *greatest joys of Paradise will be the pleasure of gazing upon the noble Countenance of Allah and hearing His words, and the delight of being close to Him and attaining His pleasure.* There can be no comparison between the physical pleasures in Paradise - such as food, drink, clothing and images - and that pleasure. *Attaining the least divine pleasure is greater than Paradise and all that it contains,* as Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “But the good pleasure of Allah is greater still” [at-Tawbah 9:72]. In other words, no matter the extent to which Allah is pleased with His slave, even if it is small, it is still greater than Paradise. In the saheeh hadith about seeing Allah, it says: “… and Allah will not give them anything that is dearer to them than gazing upon His Countenance.” According to another hadith: “When He, may He be glorified, manifests Himself to them and they see His Countenance with their own eyes, they will forget all the bliss that they had been enjoying, and will become oblivious to that joy and will pay no attention to it.” Undoubtedly, this is how it is, And the matter is much greater than one could think or imagine, especially when the lovers there find themselves with the one whom they love, for a person will be with the one whom he loves. What bliss, delight, joy or triumph could come close to the joy, pleasure and tranquillity of being with Allah? Is there anything superior to the pleasure and joy of being close to the Beloved, for there is nothing greater than Him, or more perfect, or more beautiful, and nothing could give greater comfort and happiness? This - by Allah - is the type of knowledge that the lovers are striving hard to attain, and is the banner around which all those who have knowledge of Allah rally. It is the most important thing in Paradise, through which Paradise becomes a place of joy, and the life of Paradise is based on that. So how can it be said that one should not worship Allah for the sake of attaining Paradise or for fear of Hell? *Similarly, Hell* - may Allah protect us from it - is a place where its dwellers will suffer a great deal when they are partitioned away from Allah and suffer disgrace, divine wrath and anger, and being far away from Him. That will be worse than the flames of fire in their bodies and souls. In fact, the flames of this fire in their hearts is what led to the flames burning their bodies, for those flames spread everywhere in their bodies from their hearts. The aspiration of the Prophets and Messengers, the siddeeqs (the strong and true in faith), the martyrs and the righteous is Paradise, and what they seek to flee from is Hell. And Allah is the source of strength, and in Him we put our trust. There is no power and no strength except with Allah; Allah is sufficient for us, and He is the best disposer of affairs. {Madaarij as-Saalikeen (2/80, 81)}
What a load of over complicated nonsense. God either objectively exists or he doesn't. It's simple to answer the question. You either believe there is an all powerful being/creator or you don't or you claim to not know. Jordon does cop out when it comes to this. It's no good asking what you mean by this, that and the other. When he asked do you believe in God he was asking whether Jordon believes in an all powerful creator; a prime mover or absolute foundation of reality. It isn't that difficult. Imagine answering all questions this way. If every time we answered a question with, "It depends what you mean by those words", human language would become meaningless and entirely subjective.
Honestly this Tony guy I’ve never seen anyone like him who love dancing and dancing around metaphorical that I really wonder if he does he actually live his everyday life with that type of over skepticism!???
Perhaps this was divine intervention 🌧️🌩️ in ending a sooo boring a conversation.😝 Alhumdullilah Dawah for the masses is so much more straight forward. Keep it up Bro Subboor.🥇🏆🌹
53:00 Subboor you are heavily mistaken. Ironically, what he describes is exactly the Islamic view. All creed texts describe a miracle (معجزة) as a violation of laws of nature/violation of observed custom (خرق العادة) that comes with a challenge and can't be reproduced by others. The correct view is that Allah has a certain habit (عادة) whilst creating and sustaining the world. This habit is what we identify as laws of physics, but since these aren't rationally necessary (واجب) to occur, a violation thereof doesn't necessitate the rationally impossible - it's just contrary to that which we are used to observe. The fact that miracles violate the laws of nature IS why they are so important, because they prove that the Prophets are truthful in their claims (e.g. "To prove I'm a true prophet of God, I'll do something that's a violation of a matter they're used to observing," like splitting the moon). To dismiss this view as Humean is baffling. The other things you tried to mention aren't a معجزة, they are signs of Allah's Omnipotence or that which we colloquially call "miracles" (but not actual ones since they are in accordance with laws of physics).
what i found very disheartening but reflects the attitude of the west is that once we start talking about religion, they don’t want to entertain the idea and that they’d rather have a “transcendent” conversation. whatever that means. well, what it means is that talking about religion is primitive and philosophizing is being above that, being “transcendent”. in other words, they don’t need Allah, and it’s clear in their speech that they don’t even know how to answer simple questions, instead it’s postmodernism. so they have been made to forget themselves because they forgot Allah. (paraphrasing but from Surah Al-Hashr, Ayat 19) Petersen cares about aesthetics so yes Muslims need to embody Islam, we are representatives of the Deen of Allah. But Petersen also needs to be sincere because with all his knowledge, he is choosing the temporary Dunya over the Eternal Akhira. finally, this is the problem with kalam and falsafa. because that entire conversation got nowhere. just a waste of time.
Exactly. I'm tired of his whole "transcendence" BS. He just floats about, espousing "deep" nonsense, waffling philosophically and getting nowhere. And then starts crying, of course.
What is meant by *heaven* and *hell?* *Ibn al-Qayyim* (may Allah have mercy on him) said: As a matter of fact, Paradise is not a word that refers only to trees, fruits, food, drink, hoor al-‘een, rivers and palaces. Most people are mistaken when they think that Paradise is limited to that, for Paradise is a name for the abode of perfect and absolute bliss, and one of the *greatest joys of Paradise will be the pleasure of gazing upon the noble Countenance of Allah and hearing His words, and the delight of being close to Him and attaining His pleasure.* There can be no comparison between the physical pleasures in Paradise - such as food, drink, clothing and images - and that pleasure. *Attaining the least divine pleasure is greater than Paradise and all that it contains,* as Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “But the good pleasure of Allah is greater still” [at-Tawbah 9:72]. In other words, no matter the extent to which Allah is pleased with His slave, even if it is small, it is still greater than Paradise. In the saheeh hadith about seeing Allah, it says: “… and Allah will not give them anything that is dearer to them than gazing upon His Countenance.” According to another hadith: “When He, may He be glorified, manifests Himself to them and they see His Countenance with their own eyes, they will forget all the bliss that they had been enjoying, and will become oblivious to that joy and will pay no attention to it.” Undoubtedly, this is how it is, And the matter is much greater than one could think or imagine, especially when the lovers there find themselves with the one whom they love, for a person will be with the one whom he loves. What bliss, delight, joy or triumph could come close to the joy, pleasure and tranquillity of being with Allah? Is there anything superior to the pleasure and joy of being close to the Beloved, for there is nothing greater than Him, or more perfect, or more beautiful, and nothing could give greater comfort and happiness? This - by Allah - is the type of knowledge that the lovers are striving hard to attain, and is the banner around which all those who have knowledge of Allah rally. It is the most important thing in Paradise, through which Paradise becomes a place of joy, and the life of Paradise is based on that. So how can it be said that one should not worship Allah for the sake of attaining Paradise or for fear of Hell? *Similarly, Hell* - may Allah protect us from it - is a place where its dwellers will suffer a great deal when they are partitioned away from Allah and suffer disgrace, divine wrath and anger, and being far away from Him. That will be worse than the flames of fire in their bodies and souls. In fact, the flames of this fire in their hearts is what led to the flames burning their bodies, for those flames spread everywhere in their bodies from their hearts. The aspiration of the Prophets and Messengers, the siddeeqs (the strong and true in faith), the martyrs and the righteous is Paradise, and what they seek to flee from is Hell. And Allah is the source of strength, and in Him we put our trust. There is no power and no strength except with Allah; Allah is sufficient for us, and He is the best disposer of affairs. {Madaarij as-Saalikeen (2/80, 81)}
This guy is complicating things if he became Muslim he would be firm and strong in his own life and could impact others because he is obviously methodical in his thinking process. All he needs is to strengthen his opinion otherwise he will be lost always sitting on the fence.
The atheist doesn't believe in God, but does believe in an underlying consciousness behind everything, which fits belief in God. Could not the underlying consciousness he believes in be God?
When Peterson delves into the depths of theology he becomes rather incoherent. He often resorts to semantical tricks in order to dodge the question, and in a sense he never makes it clear what he believes. He certainly hold some fundamental Christian beliefs, but he would be deemed a heretic by Orthodox standards. He stands on a fine line between theism and skepticism.
Just because God's ''story'' for us (with the fight between good and evil, jealousy, revenge, sacrifice of the first born etc) sounds very much like the stories we tell each other, that doesn't make it not true. These epic and iconic narratives are ingrained in us. Why? Because they work. What on earth would they otherwise consist of? Us telling stories of how we blew bubbles last night and then spun in circles for two hours? Boring and pointless. The fact that the Christian story about Jesus is an illustration of human suffering, and whatever else he said, also doesn't make it not true. Just because it is the perfect story it isn't invalidated as a true story. (We know it is not true for other reasons.)
