Muslim/Christian relations on Youtube and the future of Liberalism and the Freedom of Religion 

Very helpful Sam

Sam went for it!

You convinced me with the Tate impression.

I think I have segments of this Keller video memorized now, thanks PVK!

Uh oh, Servetus again! :)

Excellent overview of Assyrian Christian history

I’m a Muslim that follows your channel and appreciates the education of the Early Church history that you share. I’ve also come to understand the Quran differently since studying the New Testament. I don’t actually believe that the Quran denies the crucifixion of Christ.

Came for the analysis stayed for the Tate impersonation

I feel that the SBC considering adoption of the Nicene Creed is related here.

Whenever a claim is made about a rapture to heaven, I'd recommend exercising discernment, as there are reports of heavenly visions, even within occult circles. If someone asserts to have encountered Jesus and claims to "know him" yet continues to refer to him not only as capitol G "God" but also as "Creator," a designation reserved solely for the Father, it raises doubts about the authenticity of the experience. From a Unitarian perspective, I don't doubt the vision, but it is questionable whether the entity seen was truly Jesus. It would be reasonable to assume Jesus would take such an opportunity to slip in a revelation concerning his nature. I'd even say that it's not optional, as his presence alone would have conveyed that revelation. This is mere conjecture, but considering the influence of Pageau on this little corner, it seems appropriate to explore some symbolism. In scripture, the right eye, hand, etc. symbolize our sinful lusts and desires. It's intriguing that Mar Mari quickly assumed the role of a victim just two days after his right eye was stabbed (which he undoubtedly is from a judicial standpoint), portraying himself as having been persecuted for his faith rather than reaping consequences for any wrongdoing in his life. I do not condone violence, nor would wish such a thing to befall on anyone but it has to be considered that God has allowed it to happen to him. I think Mar Mari is a good rhetorician and says all the Christian things that tug on the heartstrings, but from what I've seen of him, I really see a lot of projection, hate, and vanity. One may ponder whether he had contemplated the possibility that, as insensitive as it may sound, this attack was allowed as a desperate attempt at divine correction, prompting him to repent for some lingering sin(s). I think before jumping to conclusions, we need to at least consider that perspective. Ultimately, what happened to Mar Mari is a matter between him and heaven. However, it serves as a crucial reminder for us as Christians to refrain from making quick judgments, even when faced with acts of aggression towards ourselves, as it could potentially be a form of discipline from God in our lives. Concerning liberal democracy, it often assumes the role of an idol, overshadowing the very essence of truth. Both cannot seem to coexist in this age in the way that we imagine they could. As Christians, especially Unitarians, we should be content with being a despised minority, a remnant, with a citizenship not belonging to the US or any other nation but to heaven alone. I am not worried about the woke minority or a potential Islamic takeover more than I am about the resurgence of imperial "Christianity" once in the west, assimilating the nihilism of the left, and something even worse coming along and filling its metaphysical void.

This was awesome, Sam. Reply good analysis and clips, etc. Your closing questions were perfect. Well done.

Coming from the Muslim perspective, there's something I don't hear being acknowledged here, and I don't know how popular of an opinion this will be since many people are allergic to left-coded talking points in TLC. However, the relative peace inside the proto-Protestant European and now American empires was in stark contrast with how these empires were dealing with those outside their sphere of influence. The only reason, if you ask me, why European Christianity has been at peace with itself is because it was subsumed under a greater conquering power. Over time, what has happened is that the ideology of the empire was abstracted from its cultural root. Now, you are losing your privileged position vis-a-vis those in power, and you need to be colonised and uprooted to fit in, just like we were. Diversity and violence are correlated, unless pacified by a player strong enough to have a monopoly on violence, and power breed corruption. There's no stopping the wheel from turning, to want to stop the wheel is idolatry, righteousness is to strive for virtue through the revolutions. Respite only comes in the next life.

This video was an absolute banger Sam. A comprehensive summation of the challenge to liberal democracy and our current uneasy feeling of cultural fragility. For me, your best so far. I'd add that my own take on the "meaning crisis," the tectonic plates shifting under our feet, is the dramatic degredation of relations between men and women, and the fundamental misalignment of the narrow interests of each gender, if pursued only single mindedly. And societies with lots of disaffected young men are not stable societies. Freedom relies heavily on the principles of nonviolence and non-coercion. So a way forward has to include a cultural movement that reminds men and women how much we need each other, and how wonderful a mutually rewarding relationship between the sexes can be. Humans are profoundly social creatures, and ultimately future focused. The future depends on optimistic loving people finding each other, creating families and forming children into prosocial productive adults. And we need to do all this while simultaneously making room for those we disagree with, those with different beliefs, values, and orientations. I know, a hard problem. But made practically impossible if men and women have lost their capacity to care for each other.

Great video Sam! I appreciate how you approached the topic of freedom of speech. You tied a lot of threads together I never would have thought were connected. Great work!

Outstanding. Right up there with the PVK/Vervaeke Evolution video-the one full of polar bears. Youre such a treasure to the corner Sam.

58:25 AYOOO 🤣 idk what i was expecting but it wasn't that haha and you didn't bail on it! way to be, man. that is cussin hilarious

Excellent video with a very relevant theme. Jake was not always like this. When he was a Quranite he hated religious persecution. It was his conversion to sunnism which made him more tolerant to religious persecution. However sunnis tend to have a strange relationship to political sunnism. They defend it in theory but when it starts manifesting itself in reality like through Isis and the Taliban the sunnis tend to back track.

Your Andrew Tate impression made my day

Haven't quite got through but this but great work Sam. Algo started recommending me Mari clips a couple days ago and I wondered why.

btw thank you for the temperance

Hello Sam, I will preface this by saying I enjoyed your video, and I enjoy your content in general. You give very good lectures on the Church Fathers and Church history in general. I am an American convert to Shia Islam, and due to that I believe there is no compulsion in religion, and because of that we should have freedom of religion. However I also believe that without religion, or to put it more controversially, in late-stage secular liberalism, we see a complete collapse of morality and family. I, as a Muslim, would fully support a Christian Nationalist or Catholic Integralist government if it came to power. This is because systems such as those would restore, likely by force yes, but would still restore, morality and family, and I see those things as more important than the values of classical liberalism. A society where things like drag queen story hour exist, let alone have legal protection, is an utterly demonized society. A system where such depravities as childhood transgenderism are enforced at gunpoint needs to be fixed, even if that solution is not nice.

Wow! I had pretty much given up on this channel (not so much out of disagreement as of boredom - most videos addressing topics of zero interest to me), but man, did you redeem yourself here! Fantastic! FINALLY, a Christian who understands the worth and value of secular Liberalism! The only criticisms I have are about what other people said in some of the videos you used (such as Keller stating that Liberalism seeks to not impose moral values on people - simply not true) but that does not reflect on anything you said yourself. I particularly appreciate your emphasis on Truth as the highest value (although I would say that is precisely why I remain an agnostic - anyone who holds Truth as the highest value knows better than to claim they know the Truth - see Socrates on that subject). Finally, I think you are being way to easy on Islam. Christianity may have its faults, but Islam... Well, let me not get into it here. Anyway, excellent video. I wish everyone on the Christian religious Right would see it.

Looking forward Sam. Will there be a follow up episode regarding the Jews ?

You cant do this to me Sam, I've got an econ midterm in 5 hours :(

Not to seem random im going to comment on why I’m sharing this later but… *Clement of Alexandria* ✝️ (2nd century CE Church Father) in his book “Paedagogus”: “We must avoid any irregularity in the type of garment we choose. We must also guard against all waywardness in our use of them. For instance, *it is not right for a woman to wear her dress up over her knees,* as the Laconian maidens are said to do, because *a woman should not expose any part of her body...* I should like, too, not only that it be *forbidden them to expose their ankle,* but also that *it be made obligatory for them to wear a veil over their face and a covering on their head.”* … “Further, the man and woman each must come to the church dressed becomingly, with an unaffected walk... *Let the woman observe this further practise: Except when she is home, SHE SHOULD BE COMPLETELY VEILED, for her appearance will be dignified only when she cannot be seen.* She will never fall into sin if she always keeps modesty before her eyes, and *RETAIN HER VEIL,* nor will she lure others into an occasion of sin by baring her face.”

Our local school board is under Muslim influence. They are adjusting school holidays to be more "diverse" aka line up with Muslim dates. They scheduled Eid (Wednesday) but then found out about the solar eclipse (Monday) and just had to give the kids two days off.

Mar Mari Emmanuel is like a cross between Andrew Tate and Rajneesh Osho.

FYI: that American Muslim speaker’s last name is pronounced (more or less): “hackey-cat-joo” and it translates to “seeker of truth” in Persian (most likely because his forefathers had a religious based trade.”

58:40 Clip!

1:53:00 Ivan Illich...

Good point about Jake on vigilantism vs legally justified Islamic approvals of violence against dissenters or ______. As a Christian anarchist, I’m not a big fan of governmental approved violence period.

Sam you should check out the latest Louise Perry with Christopher Caldwell. Section from 13:40 to 17:00 where he has an interesting observation.

listening to the timeline: "beautiful, beautiful, disgusting action but beautiful image by Mari Mari due to his words that caused it and him holding up the cross, beau…" then got to " *BUT BEFORE THE POLICE HAD TAKEN THE SUSPECT AWAY* " and instantly "why do we (Christians) have to ruin everything every time?" then got to " *SHOUTED LET HIM OUT* " and thought "oh? i spoke too soon? maybe the most beautiful of all?" and then got to " *SEEMINGLY SEEKING CROWD JUSTICE AND 50 OFFICERS WERE INJURED* " and instantly "nope, of course it's even worse than i first thought." le sigh

Question Sam: if the Pope caught and executed Servetus would we know his name? Or is it basically the irony of being executed by people who also strongly appealed to conscience?

I really like your analysis I just hope you don’t become like David wood and Apostate prophet. I pray that you keep your analysis academic and in good faith.

Sam's underlining take: "The Trinity is Gay"

*Q**5:14* (clear) And from *those who say, “We are Christians,” WE TOOK THEIR COVENANT,* but they neglected a portion of what they had been commanded to uphold. So We let hostility and enmity arise between them until the Day of Judgment, and soon Allah will inform them of all they have done.

How far would your liberalism go though? I don't really know the answer to this, but would you allow some groups to prevent people who are interracially married to join there membership? I know the argument about behavior being different but its a slippery slope.

Can you define what secular means? Secular seems to be a Christian concept itself. Therefore, a "secular" government might be duplicitously Christian a la Holland.

eastside westside it's always about the other

If we could only all just be "rational" truth seekers (Tgrog would have something to say to you about this) and live in perfect peace in a utopian liberal democracy. That is no more than a dream. Have we ever had a true liberal democracy? One could argue that if the United States ever had such a thing it was short-lived.

Really wondering if you do believe that Jesus said "he who is without sin cast the first stone". It does seem like something he would say but isn't in our oldest copies of John. Thoughts?

This video you shared on Mar Mari speaking gently on Prophet Muhammad isn’t what caused the 16 year old Muslim to want to stab him. Instead it was incendiary remarks he make on a popular podcast called “valuetainnent” or “PBD Podcast” that went viral… (fyi)

1:53:28 “One of the reasons that I don’t like Catholicism or Orthodoxy…one full, unified human institution that is the one all-be all…” Multipolarity and assumptions of authority (power) vs legitimate, non-coercive (true) authority.

1:19:50 or 1:20:10 quoting Mohammed: “he who changes his religion, kill him.” I bet there has been a bunch of ink spilled on this sentence. Can one change their religion? Only in an egoic, confessional sense, arguably. Religio, that which holds you together.

1:02:25 Calvin has Servetus killed. A group of Polish Calvinists become Unitarians and revive Unitarianism. If that isn't divine retribution I don't know what is!

1:32:48 Maybe misspoke Maybe he used the wrong word .

The religion/secular distinction is a product of the Christian world and the Christian mind, but it is not necesarilly a dogmatic christian belief. I disagree with Holland that adopting such distinctions makes one a Christian in some sense. Non - Christians can adopt these notions as their political situations become more approximate to Christians.

Nice work, he certainly sounds more like an end times, left behind, charasmatic protestant preacher. Say that 10 times! I joined a bulgarian EO church, and priests... just don't preach 🤷‍♂️

God did not take Mar Mari to heaven. He sounds like an American tele evangelist. That was a lie.

FYI: “Gen Y” = millennials

Mari is Tate.

The Muslim is pushing an originalism...