Dr. Ann Jervis - How the Apostle Paul understood time

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Dr. Ann Jervis is a Professor Emertia of New Testament at the University of Toronto and a Priest in the Anglican Church of Canada. She is a unique proposal for understanding how the Apostle Paul conceptualizes time, and what implications that has for understanding the rest of his theology. We discuss these ideas mentioning NT Wright, James Dunn, David Bentley Hart, Dale Martin, and more.
Paul and Time : www.amazon.com/Paul-Time-Life...
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:01:20 - Dr. Jervis's background
00:06:45 - Previous models for Paul's view of time
00:12:30 - Jervis's proposal of death time and life time
00:22:00 - The Pre-existence of Jesus
00:28:00 - The second coming
00:31:25 - What is the afterlife before the second coming?
00:34:55 - Why is there still death time?
00:36:40 - Is there universal salvation?
00:40:00 - Why do Christians still sin?
00:45:30 - The eucharist and time
00:48:25 - Theosis in Paul
00:52:10 - Closing Remarks

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11 июл 2024

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@warrenroby6907 2 месяца назад

This talk reminds me of the research Rupert Sheldrake cites of people in the “past” being healed by intercessory prayers made for them in the “future.”

@WhiteStoneName Месяц назад

Just finished this. I wasn’t able to timestamp comment on it as usual because I was preoccupied but really good stuff.

@leewilliams3014 Месяц назад

Sam! This is my first time commenting on your channel, but I’ve enjoyed you on PVK and more recently your interview with Andrew Perriman! But to the topic at hand. I’m sitting in my backyard trying to get a handle on what Jervis is getting at. I am actually having a tough go of it so I decided to see if anyone on RU-vid had interacted with her work and -behold! Looking forward to listening to tour discussion.

@transfigured3673 Месяц назад

Small world. Thanks for commenting!

@yosefrazin6455 2 месяца назад

Her work would be fascinating to compare to Jon Levenson''s book modern classic on the conception of Resurrection in Ancient Israel and how it develops. Because he shows how a life of Torah connected to and within the Temple is a life within "lifetime" and away from that is within "death time" but this shift in the Hellenistic period as thinking of death becomes something more individualist and *discrete* from a previously more spectrum understanding of death (which included infertility, loss of children, illness). It undergoes this shift into a more discrete and individual understanding under hellenism and seems to come to a certain peek within Paul

@grailcountry 2 месяца назад

This was a good one Sam.

@transfigured3673 2 месяца назад

Thanks, I had a feeling it would be up your alley

@faturechi 2 месяца назад

My favorite topic!

@transfigured3673 2 месяца назад

I know you love Paul

@janosterud4188 2 месяца назад

Excellent Thank You. Yes to live in this present evil age but put on Christ and see ourselves and live in Gods kingdom now

@yosefrazin6455 2 месяца назад

Also seems to be interesting to compare to the Rabbinic concept of how true teshuva (repentance-atonement, metanoia) retroactively makes ones sins as if they either never occurred or even can turn them into merits (which often makes me think of our AA friends who can spread such wisdom due to their experiences with alcohol)

@transfigured3673 2 месяца назад

that is a beautiful idea

@warrenroby6907 2 месяца назад

Another brilliant female scholar who is enriching the field with novel and compelling work. I think of B Gaventa, E Schrader, S Glahn and others.

@andyramirez6016 2 месяца назад

“Time is action, event, and change” reminds me of a great and jarring video I remembering watching of Jonathan and Matthieu discussing time. The gist was “space vs. time.” Associated idea: “static potential for change vs. change” & “earth vs. heaven” & maybe “feminine vs. masculine” They might not’ve mentioned feminine & masculine. Also “vs.” maybe isn’t the best conjucnctuon word, rather their point was that the two were inextricably tied up with one another. They used Aristotle a number of times for credibility of showing it to be the traditional view. The Pageau’s say something, I believe, so I can be a quirkier evangelical… I need a saving roll against their magic Griz… Anyway, thoughts?

@janosterud4188 2 месяца назад

It seems according to Eph 1:4 we're included in Christs timeline

@Seth_D_Myers 2 месяца назад

What is time? Action event change. It was written to us not for us. Hope does Jesus relate to time?

@faturechi 2 месяца назад

I have a modest proposal.... Maybe, just maybe, billions of people over thousands of years have tried to make sense of what Paul says and failed because it doesn't make any sense and never did.

@transfigured3673 2 месяца назад

I reject your modest proposal. Scripture is supposed to be infinitely deep

@faturechi 2 месяца назад

@@transfigured3673 Scripture is infinitely DEEP, not infinitely confusing and contradictory.

@ravissary79 2 месяца назад

@@faturechiwhy do you assume the Bible is nonsense because people make nonsense of it? That's like saying trees are bad because we print lies on paper, or wipe poop from our butts with it. Maybe it's really old and has been translated and people get confused because they're bringing questions to it that the Bible authors aren't pretending to address. Keep it simple and it makes a LOT more sense.

@faturechi 2 месяца назад

@@ravissary79 The Bible? No. Paul's blasphemy? Because it is blasphemy.

@ravissary79 2 месяца назад

@@faturechi if you're a Christian, and you follow historical authoritative agreement on scripture, then Paul wrote scripture. If you're not, then that's a separate matter and your bias prevents meaningful dialog here. So far you've simply made baseless accusations and used labels to emote. You haven't actually made a meaningful case anyone can interact with. So unless your goal is trolling, you might need to change your tactics.

@ravissary79 2 месяца назад

I'm not sure it's proper to take an apocalyptic view and thus conclude that because we enjoy a redemptive break from the consequences of the past... therfore tome isn't linear? That doesn't follow. God doesnt contravein our organic experience of time, nor is cause and effect nor entropy overturned... at all. Paul uses normal tenses of time to talk about organic experience in totally non controversial ways. But redemption injects new causes and eliminates old ones... it revolutionizes the slavery we experience to the past, but it doesnt literally erase its existence. We wouldn't be able to talk about it at all if the past was genuinely overwritten, like time travel paradoxes. Her idea of God's experience of time is essentially Boethian, but this is something that must be read onto scripture. It's just not there.