Muslims Challenged on the Age of Marriage in Islam 

🤔 beutyfull but ther is full of sex in paradise as you may know as a person who reverted to this uncivilized and barbaric terrorist religion That Allah actually is the only god who promise Pussy or houri's in paradise or jannah 🤣 BAHAHAHA

How old r u now brother?

@@PrivateUnknownAnonymous 38 now, reverted when I was 21 alhamudillah

@@wolverinescratch woww Alhamdullilah, u married bro?

@@wolverinescratch and did u give up zina and never returned to it after u reverted? Sorry if im nosy, im just curious as I wanna understand my revert brothers more

his god is the west

I think he likes white goddess

Sadly many Hindu's suffer from inferiority complex to an extreme level.

@@abdulazizb2154 defo these Indians they worship West 😂

no no you have mistaken brother...he is a trash in disguise...i watched his conversation with Brother Hashim

​ @Muslims remember Apostacy Day 22nd of August Actually it's the Virgin Christians that can't wait to be BRIDES.

Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is *irrelevant.* First Understand *4 things* : ♦️1) How to study history? ✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”: " A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties. […] Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his pur­pose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error." ( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 ) ♦️2) What is history? Early marriage is practiced all over the world, *regardless of caste or creed.* Historically there is no wonder in that. “It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” (Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52) ♦️3) Why so in history? ✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century: "In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.* It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied." ( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) ) ✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis: "No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”* ( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 ) ♦️4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots. Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this. ✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past. (David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)

♦️In the Bible, Isaac, 40, marries Rebecca, just 3 years old. (Genesis - 25:20) {Johann Buxtorf - Rabanical Literature : Volume - 1 - Page 33 , 34 } { The Zohar : Pritzeker Edition - Volume 2 - (2003) - Page 264 } ♦️When the Blessed Virgin Mary was twelve years old, her guardians began to inquire into marriage.She was married to Joseph, a carpenter in his late 90's. (Matthew 1: 18-25.) - Catholic Encyclopaedia. ♦️Saint Augustine - (354 AD), chosen to marry Is a 10-year-old girl. ♦️Skanda Purana says that Sita was only six - 6 - years old when 'Lord' Rama married Sita. ♦️Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was one of the most famous yogis of 19th century India , He married a Five Year Old Girl Sharada Devi (1859). Swami Vivekananda was his disciple. ♦️Mahadev Govinda Ranade (d. 1901), a social reformer, spiritual man and author who founded the Social Conference Movement in India, ignored his disciples' suggestion to marry a widow when his first wife died, and remarried eight-year-old Ramabai. ♦️King Richard II -1400 AD, He married a 7 year old girl. ♦️ One of the architects of the Indian Constitution Dr. Ambedkar married a 9-year-old Rama Devi. ♦️Satyendranath Bose, India's most accomplished physicist, is married to 11-year-old Ushapati. ♦️Srinivasa Ramanujan, a famous Indian mathematician, married Janaki, a nine - year - old girl (in 1909). ♦️Henry VIII -1500 AD, He married a 6 years old girl. This is a picture of many famous personalities in the history of the world. So what do you say?😊 Know with that, 🔰 Early marriage is practiced all over the world, regardless of caste or creed. Historically there is no wonder in that. ✅"It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” (Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52) ✅"In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” (Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese , Opposing Hate , page 85) 🔰You have to understand , The age of marriage is then and now It's just relative. 🔰 Marital life is about things that take place in relation to the time of the respective individuals, their living conditions and life goals. It's up to them. 🔰 For those who are knowledgeable All of this is well known.That's all. 👉If you think child marriage is a thing of the past, think again: Half of US states set no legal minimum age for marriage, and several states have only weak oversight over the practice.Laws in 44 U.S. states allow marriage before 18. According to statistics from Unchained At Last, nearly 300,000 children - some as young as 10 - were married in the U.S. between 2000 and 2018. 👉Even today, in the 21st century, India is home to the largest number of child brides in the world with at least 1.5 million child marriages each year, according to a report by the United Nations children’s fund, or Unicef. 👉Under current canon law in Vatican City, men can marry only 16 years of age and women 14 years of age with parental consent. (‘Code of canon law-Chapter III’)

Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is irrelevant. First Understand 4 things : 1) How to study history? ✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”: " A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties. […] Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his pur­pose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error." ( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 ) 2) What is history? Early marriage is practiced all over the world, regardless of caste or creed. Historically there is no wonder in that. ✅"In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” (Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese , Opposing Hate , page 85) 3) Why so in history? ✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century: "In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.* It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied." ( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) ) ✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis: "No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”* ( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 ) 4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots. Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this. ✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past. (David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)

@@iamyourbrook4281 عن عبدالله بن عمرو بن العاص رضي الله عنهما: أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: ((مُرُوا أولادكم بالصلاة وهم أبناء سبع سنين، واضربوهم عليها وهم أبناء عَشْر، وفرقوا بينهم في المضاجع))؛ رواه أحمد وأبو داود، وهو صحيح[1]. 9 age is correct because of the age of 10 to separated them in their beds that mean the kid if was male or female Puberty at that age in the time of the prophet Mohmmad peace and blessing on him

But Muhamnmad was in his 50s though.

@@serendipityculture1679 So what? Nobody complained!

@@adheebathaheer Maybe because they believed him to be a Prophet they wudnt go against him, or maybe it was normal those days as females matured faster in hot tropics? who knows. I think Prophet Muhammad could have been Sczhphrenic, they hear voices and see things that are not actually there except in their brain, its true read up on it, they also have anxietyty and panic attacks like the Islamic Prophet did, so u never know, be open minded here. Many Sczophrfenics are intelligent too, and can think in their head as Gods, its pretty common, like they believe they got a mission, they are also very creative, it doesnt mean they are killers, but am just saying think about it. It comes from both Neanderthals and Sapiens. Jesus on other hand likely was Autistic due to similar traits. These people take society forward due to their brain wiriging as individuals.

Oh fool follow Allahs law in Quran! Where the hell has all you fools common sense gone 🤦🏽‍♀️

Why are people comparing 12 year olds etc that matured faster, with a prepubescent aisha at age 6 and age 9? And even newborn infants can be married in islam. So your comparisons dont work

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@@chomo54andbabyaisha97 lol all you do is make me laugh. Thanks lololol

@@MilitantAntiAtheism no idea what you're on about pal

@@AtheistReligionIsCancer omg, you, my friend, are hilarious, have you got a contract with Netflix for your stand up comedy show yet?

@@AtheistReligionIsCancer not many, you're a special kind

Yeah.... When I see your comment, I just realized that, Friend. Explanations given and he just dodged or ignored them. Like... not listening clearly.

@@AtheistReligionIsCancer Why are you asking this in someone's comment that isn't related to the the thing you comment? Also maybe Qira'at and Ahruf will explain your confusion.

Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is *irrelevant.* First Understand *4 things* : ♦️1) How to study history? ✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”: " A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties. […] Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his pur­pose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error." ( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 ) ♦️2) What is history? Early marriage is practiced all over the world, *regardless of caste or creed.* Historically there is no wonder in that. “It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” (Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52) ♦️3) Why so in history? ✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century: "In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.* It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied." ( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) ) ✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis: "No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”* ( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 ) ♦️4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots. Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this. ✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past. (David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)

@@iamyourbrook4281 Mashaallah. Such detail, Brother. Thank you for the Knowledge.

@@atheonmordy1244 ♦️In the Bible, Isaac, 40, marries Rebecca, just 3 years old. (Genesis - 25:20) {Johann Buxtorf - Rabanical Literature : Volume - 1 - Page 33 , 34 } { The Zohar : Pritzeker Edition - Volume 2 - (2003) - Page 264 } ♦️When the Blessed Virgin Mary was twelve years old, her guardians began to inquire into marriage.She was married to Joseph, a carpenter in his late 90's. (Matthew 1: 18-25.) - Catholic Encyclopaedia. ♦️Saint Augustine - (354 AD), chosen to marry Is a 10-year-old girl. ♦️Skanda Purana says that Sita was only six - 6 - years old when 'Lord' Rama married Sita. ♦️Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was one of the most famous yogis of 19th century India , He married a Five Year Old Girl Sharada Devi (1859). Swami Vivekananda was his disciple. ♦️Mahadev Govinda Ranade (d. 1901), a social reformer, spiritual man and author who founded the Social Conference Movement in India, ignored his disciples' suggestion to marry a widow when his first wife died, and remarried eight-year-old Ramabai. ♦️King Richard II -1400 AD, He married a 7 year old girl. ♦️ One of the architects of the Indian Constitution Dr. Ambedkar married a 9-year-old Rama Devi. ♦️Satyendranath Bose, India's most accomplished physicist, is married to 11-year-old Ushapati. ♦️Srinivasa Ramanujan, a famous Indian mathematician, married Janaki, a nine - year - old girl (in 1909). ♦️Henry VIII -1500 AD, He married a 6 years old girl. This is a picture of many famous personalities in the history of the world. So what do you say?😊 Know with that, 🔰 Early marriage is practiced all over the world, regardless of caste or creed. Historically there is no wonder in that. ✅"It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” (Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52) ✅"In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” (Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese , Opposing Hate , page 85) 🔰You have to understand , The age of marriage is then and now It's just relative. 🔰 Marital life is about things that take place in relation to the time of the respective individuals, their living conditions and life goals. It's up to them. 🔰 For those who are knowledgeable All of this is well known.That's all.😊 👉If you think child marriage is a thing of the past, think again: Half of US states set no legal minimum age for marriage, and several states have only weak oversight over the practice.Laws in 44 U.S. states allow marriage before 18. According to statistics from Unchained At Last, nearly 300,000 children - some as young as 10 - were married in the U.S. between 2000 and 2018. 👉Even today, in the 21st century, India is home to the largest number of child brides in the world with at least 1.5 million child marriages each year, according to a report by the United Nations children’s fund, or Unicef. 👉Under current canon law in Vatican City, men can marry only 16 years of age and women 14 years of age with parental consent. (‘Code of canon law-Chapter III’)

exactly theres an mma fighter rn who was working in sand mines since he was a small child to provide for his family as his father was dead and he needed to pay for his school and also provide for his siblings and mother that same child would be as mature as a playstation kid who is fed and cleaned by their mother??? absolute nonsense

عن عبدالله بن عمرو بن العاص رضي الله عنهما: أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: ((مُرُوا أولادكم بالصلاة وهم أبناء سبع سنين، واضربوهم عليها وهم أبناء عَشْر، وفرقوا بينهم في المضاجع))؛ رواه أحمد وأبو داود، وهو صحيح[1]. 9 age is correct because of the age of 10 to separated them in their beds that mean the kid if was male or female Puberty at that age in the time of the prophet Mohmmad peace and blessing on him

Aisha was prepubescent, there is zero proof that she was pubescent. Ash-Shafi'i explicitly affirmed that aisha was prepubescent at age 9

the hadith that i provided previously, I can translate it said: Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Command your children to perform Salat (prayer) when they are "seven years old", and beat them for (not offering) it when they are "ten", and do not let (boys and girls) sleep together". that mean boys and girls will be ready to have sex when they 10 years old .. that's why do not let them sleep together.. and because the incest is forbidden

@@justsomevids4541 proof?

@@brokenSnake al-shafi'i in Al-Umm (7/163): (قَالَ الشَّافِعِيُّ) : فَإِنْ قَالَ قَائِلٌ: لِمَ زَعَمْت أَنَّ الْآبَاءَ يُزَوِّجُونَ الصِّغَارَ قِيلَ: «زَوَّجَ أَبُو بَكْرٍ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ - صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ - عَائِشَةَ وَهِيَ بِنْتُ سِتٍّ أَوْ سَبْعٍ وَبَنَى بِهَا النَّبِيُّ - صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ - وَهِيَ بِنْتُ تِسْعٍ» فَالْحَالَانِ اللَّذَانِ كَانَ فِيهِمَا النِّكَاحُ وَالدُّخُولُ كَانَا وَعَائِشَةُ صَغِيرَةٌ مِمَّنْ لَا أَمْرَ لَهَا فِي نَفْسِهَا “Al-Shafi'i stated: ‘If someone says, 'Why did you claim that the fathers can marry off the young ones?' Say: 'Abu Bakr gave Aisha in marriage to the messenger of Allah at the age of six or seven and the prophet consummated the marriage at nine years of age." Hence, both the cases of marriage and consummation, took place when Aisha was a minor who had no command over herself.’”

We have proof though >_< look... Bones! I haven't studied them but.... Bonesssss! Lol

Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is *irrelevant.* First Understand *4 things* : ♦️1) How to study history? ✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”: " A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties. […] Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his pur­pose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error." ( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 ) ♦️2) What is history? Early marriage is practiced all over the world, *regardless of caste or creed.* Historically there is no wonder in that. “It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” (Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52) ♦️3) Why so in history? ✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century: "In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.* It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied." ( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) ) ✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis: "No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”* ( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 ) ♦️4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots. Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this. ✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past. (David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)

and there was no adolescence back then you were a baby a child then and adult now your a baby a child and adolescent then a adult they didnt have the luxury of waiting upto a decade to get married if they had already gone through puberty because of the rates of mortality and how easy it was to die of the most innocuous injuries and infections etc

@@madaxwayneGreat point. It also doesn't make sense from a population perspective. At best (i guess) there were between 20k to 50k people in bigger city like mecca at that time. Taking into account woman and infant mortality, they wouldve been wiped out if they waited till 18 years if age.

@@sohaibalvi7295 exactly but these islamaphobes completely ignore the nuances of the situation and say 9 year old marriage bad end of if that was the case the human race wouldve died out pretty quick

Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is *irrelevant.* First Understand *4 things* : ♦️1) How to study history? ✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”: " A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties. […] Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his pur­pose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error." ( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 ) ♦️2) What is history? Early marriage is practiced all over the world, *regardless of caste or creed.* Historically there is no wonder in that. “It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” (Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52) ♦️3) Why so in history? ✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century: "In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.* It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied." ( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) ) ✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis: "No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”* ( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 ) ♦️4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots. Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this. ✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past. (David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)

@@madaxwayne You mentioned the "rates of mortality." The average life expectancy for white adults in the U.S.A. at the turn of the 20th century (1900) was age 35. This was before all the SCIENCE and TECHNOLOGY that we have today. Question: How old was Khadijah when she married prophet Muhammad (PBUH)? How old were the other wives of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) when they died? Why is it that not one of them back then was dying EARLY as you say they were?

Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is *irrelevant.* First Understand *4 things* : ♦️1) How to study history? ✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”: " A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties. […] Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his pur­pose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error." ( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 ) ♦️2) What is history? Early marriage is practiced all over the world, *regardless of caste or creed.* Historically there is no wonder in that. “It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” (Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52) ♦️3) Why so in history? ✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century: "In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.* It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied." ( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) ) ✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis: "No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”* ( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 ) ♦️4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots. Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this. ✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past. (David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)

Ameen. It’s almost like they are deaf. Allah has sealed their hearts. May Allah guide them. Abbas keeps explaining them and it’s like they’re not even listening. It’s honestly quite sad.

these athiests dont even have a moral grounding to say its wrong to begin with its all subjective according to them so their opinons means as much as the gum on my shoe nothing

Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is *irrelevant.* First Understand *4 things* : ♦️1) How to study history? ✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”: " A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties. […] Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his pur­pose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error." ( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 ) ♦️2) What is history? Early marriage is practiced all over the world, *regardless of caste or creed.* Historically there is no wonder in that. “It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” (Margaret Wade Labarge ; A Medieval Miscellany , page 52) ♦️3) Why so in history? ✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century: "In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.* It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied." ( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) ) ✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis: "No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”* ( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 ) ♦️4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots. Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this. ✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past. (David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)

The benefit is that I now know how to comprehensively answer that question in the future if I'm asked. The longer the conversation went on, the more possible doubts were extinguished.

@@bilaal3488 Would you ever marry a 6 year old and marry her when she was 9?

Ameen!

@@ZMinaam would you repeat the same with your daughter or sister

Is there a nose check on him.

Well girls have to be ready once they hit puberty to be married. Otherwise they will end up as spinsters where they won't be owned nor controlled.

Young enough to not be old, and old enough to not be young.

@@eduantech Yes, but I need to know if there's any specific, biological or physical change after a person turns 18

@@Nevebrownie No there isn't. They graduated school. Which if it did its job right (it doesn't), means the person knows how the world works. Some people know that at 5, others know it at 50. Others never know it, most never know it, and yet they're allowed to vote lol Age is just a number, in this case. We've picked an arbitrary number that seems reasonable enough, as a culture.

The hadith is accurate regarding what Aisha R.A said. What this proves is that she didn't really know her age as this was not important at the time. Historical events during her life puts her at an older closer to the above mentioned.

@Miriam K dosent need to be shows the norm was to wait till puberty and this example was more than likely a betrothal with no consummation

and adolescence wasnt a thing until the late 1800s before then you were either a child or adult no inbetween look up stanley hall and adolescence

Why the debate around the age of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, is *irrelevant.* First Understand *4 things* : 1) How to study history? ✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”: " A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties. […] Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his pur­pose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error." ( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 ) 2) What is history? Early marriage is practiced all over the world, regardless of caste or creed. Historically there is no wonder in that. ✅"In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” (Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese , Opposing Hate , page 85) 3) Why so in history? ✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century: "In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.* It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied." ( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) ) ✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis: "No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”* ( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 ) 4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots. Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this. ✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past. (David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)

Exactly. One can easily punch back by saying why 18? Why not 23? There are many many cases of 18 yr olds being childish in nature. In fact the adult minded 18 yr olds are the "outliers". By his own argument he hasn't provided a necessity for psychological assessment. Funny how he demands it for Islam.

At least the brick wall remains silent. This person talks nonsense.

@@aafuuu because 18 is the law of the land follow that or be hated and jailed

@@Ukfairgrounds EXACTLY! And the age back in pre-modern era was the "Law of the Land" as you stated. So stop judging the past with modern lenses.

@@aafuuu why don’t you condemn it tho we condemn that the age was so young in England a long time ago but Muslims don’t condemn

@@MilitantAntiAtheism This is what Allah says about himself In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. Allah! There is no God but He, the Living, the Self-subsisting, the Eternal. No slumber can seize Him, nor sleep. All things in heaven and earth are His. Who could intercede in His presence without His permission? He knows what appears in front of and behind His creatures. Nor can they encompass any knowledge of Him except what he wills. His throne extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them, for He is the Highest and Most Exalted. My humble suggestion to you would be to ask questions, Last Saturday my coworker passed away suddenly while playing cricket, he died instantly, let’s remember death, all you say is being recorded, be mindful of the one that created you. I pray Allah guide you to the truth. Can you tell me who was first born, Isaac or Ishmael? peace be upon them both. Was Abraham a Jew or a Christian?