Having both the Divine Worship: Daily Office and the 2nd Edition of the Anglican Office Book, I have precisely zero reason to desire this. And yet I do desire it. Thank you for another very helpful review.
This has been my daily use bible for the last 2 years; it has become a constant companion. I love the handy size, the font in both BCP/KJV is perfect for my eyes with reading glasses, and the book itself has become comfortably worn. I love this edition.
Really appreciate you taking the time to review this BCP / KJV Bible combo. After watching, I ordered and am very happy to be using this one now in my daily prayers.
I'm very glad to see you review this bible. Having seen it mentioned by never described in great detail, I've been curious for some time about the quality of the production. Finally my curiosity has been satisfied! I was lucky enough to find an old 1950s Oxford printing of this volume in an edition with the 1662 BCP for only a few dollars, though it needs a rebind. I think it's a real a shame that Allan doesn't reproduce a version of this volume, or even any of the Oxford KJV textblocks that included the Apocrypha. At one point long ago I believe Oxford even printed the Longprimer with Apocrypha. Now that would be a real treat. Anyway, thanks for the detailed review!
Thank you for commenting! Yes, I'd love to see an R.L. Allan Brevier Clarendon with Apocrypha, with or without a BCP. The Longprimer with Apocrypha would be wonderful as well.
I use an Allan 26c blackface (very similar to the 7c) and oxford 1928 pocket bcp pretty much daily. While I love both of those books, there is something really nice about having a single volume with both together - I also love that this has the apocrypha, which my 26c doesn't have... Thanks for sharing!
Thank you Dr. Grant I have been waiting for years for this review. This has been my go to prayer book for several years, being former Orthodox now Catholic I was use to the KJV in the Eastern Liturgy. The removal of the imprecatory Psalms from the Liturgy by PopePaul Vi is disturbing to me. The book of Common Prayer allows for complete recitation of the Psalms which theEast does but not in such a logical format. Currently using the AnglicanOffice Book by Whithorn Press include the BCP along with Prime, Terce, Sext, None and Compline with complete KJV/BCP Apocrypha
Thanks for commenting, Steve. Do you happen to know what size font is used in the Biblical text of Whithorn's Anglican Office Book? (The small font here may be troublesome to people with older eyes.)
@@RGrantJones It seems to me to be about 7.75 Timed New Roman, but the print is very clear and the paper is very white. This is a off hand opinion by me. I love both volumes especially used the one you reviewed for years, the reference system provided makes it very valuable to me. The AOB will be given a run through Advent to see which will become the ordinary.
I had just saved up for the Cambridge Cameo with Apocrypha. Had I not bought that, I'd probably have bought this. This looks like a wonderful Bible, and without those annoying pronunciation marks.
Very pleased to see both the Coverdale and King James Psalters in the same volume! I understand their reasoning but I was a bit sad when I heard the Anglican Office Book was excluding the KJV's Book of Psalms for the sake of redundancy. I don't think Psalm 23 has ever been rendered quite so beautifully
Noticed again just today that the ACNA's 2019 prayer book, while using the "New Coverdale Psalter", includes the KJV for the 23rd Psalm. They have them side by side on the same page.
Hello R. Grant, I was wondering about the possibility of you making a video where you show how and where you store your amazing collection of Bibles, it would be pretty insightful in my opinion. Great video as always!
Thank you for sharing and reviewing your BCP/Bible. I have seen the NRSV Episcopal version, but I have not seen this one. I will have to see if the Anglicans who use the small chapel at our local Lutheran church have a copy for me to examine in person. Thank you, also, for explaining the arching of the inner spine. My Oxford Bible has done this (after much use), and, in my ignorance, I thought something was wrong with it. I am glad you said something!
Thanks for commenting, Rachel. I hope the Anglicans you mention do have a copy, but they may not. The 1928 book seems to be preferred mostly by Continuing Anglicans, and there aren't many of them.
@@RGrantJones when I spoke to their priest, he said he exclusively used the 1928 BCP. (I had a question about the order of reading for the collects.) So, the group may very well Continuing Anglicans. I'll let you know what I find out.
@@rachelkarslake7787 - I see. Then they likely have a copy of this edition, or an earlier one: I think Oxford may have published a similar edition before 1979.
Thank you as always for the quality content and for reviewing this Bible/BCP! I noticed that they have a cloth over board version. I have been looking for a quality hardcover traditional KJV.
Hello, your reviews have helped me buy quite a few Bibles now but I do have a question, that being, which Septuagint translation do you find to be the best? I have the Brenton but I find it awkward. As a side note I’ve found a Greek Orthodox New Testament that I don’t think you’ve reviewed yet and I suspect you’ll be interested in it.
That’s a hard question to answer. I wish I could say the Saint Athanasius Academy Septuagint (SAAS), since I like their overall approach. (They take the New Testament’s understanding of Old Testament texts seriously and render them accordingly). But the SAAS simply strays from the LXX toward the Hebrew too often. (SAAS is the Old Testament in the Orthodox Study Bible.) I think the New English Translation of the Septuagint (NETS) is generally accurate, and I use it frequently. It also packs a great deal of useful, scholarly background information. The font is somewhat small, but larger than that in the standard edition of Brenton’s translation. Some people dislike the fact that NETS transliterates names from the Greek (Moyses instead of Moses), but that doesn’t bother me. The Lexham English Septuagint (LES) is good also. I generally liked the second edition, though some of the language was too informal for my taste, and some of the renderings too loose. LES has the advantage of a relatively large, dark typeface and a wide margin in which corrections can be written. Unhappily, the text block is glued, as is that in the next translation. Brenton’s translation is still a very good choice. I disagree with some of his renderings, but I’ve found him to be generally accurate. This edition also includes the Greek text alongside the English, which makes it easy to check. My chief problem with it is the tiny font for the English text. Charles Thomson’s translation is also generally reliable. Unfortunately, the edition I’ve seen includes only 39 books. So, if I could have only one, I would probably chose NETS. But I make frequent use of SAAS, NETS, and Brenton. Please let me know the title, ISBN, or publisher of that Greek Orthodox New Testament.
@@RGrantJones thank you! I definitely agree with you on the SAAS and I liked the whole idea for the OSB but I’m not the biggest fan of the NKJV so that was kind of a deal breaker. I did watch your video on the NETS and while I do find it to be more so accurate and “authentic” my biggest problem with it (and it might seem picky) is the chapter layout, it just seems very scrambled. The layout of the LES I like more so then the NETS however I do agree with you on the informality as well as the renderings. I agree with you about the glued binding, my Brenton is glued and is not holding up very well. I like my Brenton but the English is very tiny and the verses/chapters are extremely difficult to make out. That is mainly why I asked you that question, the Brenton is good for what it is but I would like to invest in a Septuagint that’s easier to read and I’ll get more use out of. I’ve heard great things about the Thomson Septuagint but firstly, I don’t know where to find it, where I have found it, it ranges anywhere from $100 to $600 dollars. Secondly, same as you I dislike the lack of the deuterocanonical books. Thank you! You’ve been a huge help. If any of my response sounds picky or is too long I do apologize but thank you for giving me your opinion and I do look forward to future videos. secure.holyapostlesconvent.org/hacwebstore/mobile/searchresults.zul?searchText=Orthodox%20New%20Testament That’s the site of the people who made it, the Holy apostles convent. I didn’t send you a specific ISBN because there’s technically three books, volume 1, volume 2, and a pocket edition containing both. It is also available on Amazon, it gives a little more information on it there if that’s better for you.
You have some great reviews of different Bibles from the quality of make perspective and I've really come to appreciate them! I've been interested more in the Apocrypha and having your thoughts on cross-references is great. Is buying a 1611 edition the only way to get 2-way cross-references with Apocrypha? And would you say that the Oxford is the best tradeoff between a 1611 ed. and readability of 1769 ed?
Thanks for the questions, Faith. 'Is buying a 1611 edition the only way to get 2-way cross-references with Apocrypha?' No. You could also try finding a copy of either the Jerusalem Bible or the New Jerusalem Bible. Those both have decent sets of 2-way cross references. But both are out-of-print, and both came in text-only editions. So you would need to be careful. The NABRE would also be a good choice. It has the advantage of being in print. 'Would you say that the Oxford is the best tradeoff between a 1611 ed. and readability of 1769 ed?' The Oxford is modernized, like the 1769, and differs very little from KJV Bibles printed by other publishers like Cambridge. Cambridge also prints a KJV with Apocrypha, and it's somewhat easier to find than the combination BCP/KJV I reviewed here. But it's usually published in calfskin, and so is somewhat expensive.
Hi, I'm wondering if you could do full Mattins, Evenson and Compline in ordanry time as I feel it's perceived complexity puts many many off by people who can benefit from it as a steadfast rock in their lives. A bit about me. I'm a mixed race British lad, raised in the church of England with lineage from the reformation on my white side and from 1624 (Barbados) ony black side. I'm in my mid 30s and a Londoner born and raised. I feel we do the BCP (all national varients) a disservice online, where other denominations tend to have accessible 'touch references' to their litergical books everywhere. I personally believe you are theam to fulfill this gap with your extensive knowledge, authoritive voice, academia, concise and straight forward (unfettered) conveyance of knowledge. Kindest regards, Alistair. May I so add that they would be an inexhaustive reference for many, many years to come.
Very nice bible, especially with the 28 prayer book. The 28 and the REC (Reformed Episcopal Church) prayer book is the best. There was a Reformed Episcopal Church that I was a part of until it had to move.
I should take advantage of my Orthodox Study Bible, the only thing is the paper is so thin and see-through. Quite distracting. I have tried using a black construction paper sized to my Bible to fit behind a page, and it does help a little.
The Anglican Breviary Frank Gavin Liturgical Foundation has been an on again and off again relationship. The current website for the Ordo’s Daily Office does not correlate with my understanding of the Liturgical readings listed in my Breviary. Dr. Grant have you used this Anglican Breviary in the past ? I love the completeness of the Office in English in single form. My lack of understanding the movement within the Kalendar has left me confused even with the websites posting of the offices. Sorry to vent, but was wondering if you have ventured into this Breviary?
Hello my friend , I was just thinking about you and thought I'd swing by using my other channel. I hope you are doing well brother . I have found some older bibles here and there , I love finding old genuine leather gems esp my fave odd obsessions , the Open Bible and Thompson Chain.. 😁 Blessings to ya🙏
It's great to hear from you, airik. All's well here. Hope the same's true for you. I'll have to check out your knife channel. I remember seeing a knife video or two on your Bible review channel, but I didn't know you'd created a separate channel.
@RGrantJones I'm good, brother. I just became burnt out with doing bible reviews. I had a combination of things happen all at once that pulled me away from making vids . As time went by, it's just become less of a desire in my heart to share bibles. I do need to make a video there and let folks know I'm still alive . I have a few neat old bibles I've found that I could share with folks. My wife has been kicking my ankles trying to get me motivated to make a bible video 😏 Nice to hear from ya . Chat ya sooner than later next time.🙏
Mr. Jones I am a long time viewer of the channel going back about four years now I believe and I was wondering if you have any book recommendations for getting into textual criticism of either the new or old testament there seems to be a sea of information and knowledge out there and it’s very hard to understand exactly where to start. I have read some introductory material into textual criticism but I’m certainly no expert. Awaiting your response
What are some other KJV Bibles with the Apocrypha that has the translators chapter summaries and marginal notes and references? I love my Westminster but I need the Apocrypha. It would also be good if it had the Epistle Dedicatory and the Translators to the Reader. Any ideas?
Hey, thanks for these great videos. Will you be doing a review of any of the "Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture" in the future? I saw the book in one of your reviews. And congrats on your 10k subscribers.
Wonderful review, as always. I have tried at various times in my life to get into praying with a daily prayer book, but it just never seems to click with me. I always feel disingenuous. Is there a secret to it? Or should I just accept that I am not temperamentally suited to it?
I reviewed that Bible here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Bc_ZSvIKU_c.html . GreatSite no longer produces that volume, but I _believe_ it's the same volume that's available here: www.thekjvstore.com/1611-king-james-bible-regular-facsimile-edition/ . It might be a good idea to watch my video and compare it to the short video and other information at the kjvstore site to be sure it's the same.
@@RGrantJones thank you much for your swift response and for this link. Am I correct in assuming this one you linked, although still reduced in of itself, is still larger than the 1611 you shared in this video for comparison?
"Wow" is right. I think the price is lower here: anglican-parishes-association.myshopify.com/collections/prayer-books/products/1928-bcp-kjv-bible . Thanks for commenting.
Grant! I left a reply to a reply and I’m not sure you will see it. I am interested in this product. Do you know what size the font is because the APA website doesn’t say. Also, the other links you provided don’t include the 1928 BCP, I don’t think. Thanks!!!
@@RGrantJones thanks Grant. I may purchase it. I live over here in Johnson City. I have traveled to Mills River NC to the All Saints Church. They have a really nice service using the 1928 BCP. They have it on-line too. I also went to Weavervile to the church there. Thought you might like to know. Thanks for all the Bible info, it’s really helpful.
Excellent review as always. You have piqued my interest in this volume. There is a 1641 copy of the BCP/KJV in the Museum of the Bible. Printed by the same printer that did the first 1611 KJV Robert Barker.
How high quality is the leather binding, and how long do you think it will hold up with use? I'm torn between buying this or buying the Cameo w/Apocrypha and getting the 1662 BCP IE separately.
I like how it includes the original 1611 headings and marginal notes, even if it has unfortunately fallen short in regard to the cross-references. (They're intact in Scrivener's KJV, but he left out the headers, so it seems as though you just can't win.) Is "The Translators to the Reader" included? Also, maybe I'm alone on this, but shouldn't they pair the KJV with the 1604 or 1662 BCP, not the 1928?
Thanks for commenting, M.A. Moreno! No, unhappily the Translators to the Reader is not present in the Oxford Brevier Clarendon. According to its web site, the Anglican Parishes Association is the official publisher for the Anglican Catholic Church (ACC). I believe the ACC emerged from the Episcopal Church in the 1970s. So the primary market for this edition is American Anglo-Catholics, who tend to prefer the 1928 American prayer book over other editions. I believe other publishers have paired other prayer books with the complete KJV. In fact, in another comment, Rob-sw3re mentioned that he owns an Oxford printing of a combined 1662 BCP with the KJV.
@@RGrantJones I'll probably never be fully satisfied until someone lets me dictate every last decision in an edition of the KJV. My list of "demands" is as follows: 1. Cambridge paragraph text (Scrivener, Norton, or Clarion) 2. Single-column text with a column for marginal notes 3. Complete translators' notes and cross-references 4. Original chapter headers and epistle postscripts 5. Additional notes defining archaic words and phrases 6. Apocrypha, Epistle Dedicatory, and translators' preface 7. Half-brackets instead of italics for supplied words In other words, I want something that looks like the New Cambridge Paragraph Bible but with the robust marginal apparatus of the Westminster Reference Bible.
How close are the prayers in the book of Common Prayers to the Traditional Catholic breviary or missal. Do you think that the references in KJV (centre column) are similar to the Douay Rheims references to other Bible Passages. As always, I do love your youtube videos. They have allowed me to buy many interest books over the years. Thank you Grant.
Thanks for the kind words! I can't provide a comprehensive response to your question about the prayers, but I have compared the collects for the day in the BCP with those in my copy of the 1957 St. Joseph Daily Missal. They're often quite close. The references in most editions of the KJV are much more extensive than those in my copies of the DR. I haven't checked to see whether they point to the same passages.
@@RGrantJonesThe same is true of most of the lectionary readings for Holy Communion/the Mass. It has been theorized that very early on there was a copying error where a reading was accidentally omitted. Therefore, the Epistle and Gospel readings in the Anglican and Roman Catholic/Lutheran traditions (I have read they are nearly the same) are not identical for each and every Sunday or feast although, where there is a variation, both texts will appear somewhere within the liturgical year selections--except where Cranmer or the editors of later editions substituted another reading.
Thanks for the question. I'm not sure who began the practice, nor when it was first used in Bible translations. I just checked my copies of the 1582 Rheims New Testament, the Challoner Douay-Rheims Bible, the Knox Bible, and the Jerusalem Bible -- all Catholic editions -- and none of them capitalizes pronouns for deity. The first translation I encountered that capitalized pronouns for deity was the New American Standard Bible, which is a Protestant translation.
I asked you about this Bible and Prayer Book. I got the website and it’s $120. You recommend it right? I need to study the prayer book and having the Bible included I suppose makes it easier.
Yes, it cost me about $120. I do recommend it, but there are drawbacks. The printing isn't wonderful, the inner margin is very narrow, and the paper is somewhat glossy. The 1928 BCP without the Bible is available in other editions for far less money.
@@RGrantJones thank you. I have several prayer books, I like the Bible attached. Anyway, I just ordered it and should receive it next week. Thanks again for the information.
Thanks for asking, Peter. I should have put it in the video description: anglican-parishes-association.myshopify.com/collections/prayer-books/products/1928-bcp-kjv-bible .
Hello again Brother Jones, I hope you are well. I don't know if you saw my other comment but I was wondering what software you use to make your into song.
Thanks for the kind thoughts. I hope you and yours are well also. I used MuseScore for the intro. There was a bit of a learning curve for me, since the last time I had a music class, I was about 8 years old. But the software is fairly easy to use.
@@charlesratcliff2016 - If you want an Oxford Brevier Clarendon and don't care that it doesn't include the Apocrypha, very expensive goatskin editions are sometimes available from Bibles Direct: www.bibles-direct.co.uk/products/?c=56 . (I believe shipping is free.) You can also check the KJV store: www.thekjvstore.com/kjv-bibles/premium-leather-bibles/rl-allan-bibles/brevier-clarendon/ .
Grant, I clicked on the first link which is the APA and it looks the same as yours however it doesn’t say what size the font is. Do you know? The other two links have the Bible but they don’t indicate whether the 1928 BCP is included.
@@Home2Tennessee - the font in the Bible is advertised as 8 pt. The capitals are about the same height as 9 pt Times New Roman caps. Lowercase letters are about the same size as 8.5 pt Times New Roman lowercase letters. The font in the 1928 Book of Common Prayer is around 11.5 pts. The other two links I gave charles are for the Oxford Brevier Clarendon alone. The APA edition is the only one I know of that includes the Book of Common Prayer or the Apocryphal books. I hope that helps. (I'm a native Tennessean, by the way. I'll likely be moving home to Tennessee when I retire.)
KJV is a work of art and higher culture. However, Scofield Bible ruined and smeared it with its extremist footnotes. I am amazed that Oxford is still selling Scofield Bibles, along with its historic-critic method based study Bibles.
@@RGrantJones Zionist Christianity is not normative Protestant Christianity, it is a very heretical and violent version of it. Sadly Half of Evangelicals in US-UK are Zionists and follow ideas of Scofield and Darby. It is much better to be a Liberal or Mainline Protestant kind of Christian than to be a follower of Scofield-Darby.
@@RGrantJones I watched this lecture on RU-vid, it is very hopeful. American Christians are opposing Zionism. 'Don Wagner: Christian Zionism and growing backlash inside American churches'
@@hassanmirza2392 Pre-trib, Dispensationalism was popularized by the Scofield reference Bible and John Nelson Darby. It is a system that has been imposed on sacred scripture and has an entirely false sense of history. It makes the physical nation of modern Israel, not the Church, the center of history. This is why you see blind unchecked support from protestant dispensational Zionist despite their treatment of Christians. It’s rooted in their eschatological.
Brother, could you *please* turn down the intro music you use on your videos? It's pretty, but in comparison to both the volume of your voice and the volume of the average video on RU-vid it is ear-piercingly loud Looks like a great book, thanks for the review
Thanks for commenting, Justin! I adjusted the audio levels to bring them as close as possible before posting the video. I just listened to the first minute or so of the video on a different device -- not the computer I edited the video on -- and the sound levels, music and voice, seem about the same here as well. I don't know what else to do. Thanks for commenting!
I love the intro music as it sets the scene every time for what turns out to be a very sacred and in-depth review of another rarely heard version of the Bible