My DISAPPOINTING Experience with Rolex & Others at Watches & Wonders - Brands EXCLUDED at Event?

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Watches and wonders is now positioned as the number one watch show in the world, but like it or not it is fundamentally elitist and the strong stench of inequality wafts through the air.
In terms of the exhibitors, this is a place for the few, not the many. This is place only for the big establishment corporations, like Rolex, that can afford it. This is a place of marketeer supremacy for which its subjects are brainwashed into worshiping the brands that this year failed to bring us innovation…rather reheated novelties with different colour-ways, straps and materials.
Here, print journalists are wined and dined to give positive reviews of new releases from monopolistic big players. Here, only money talks, money buys you the stage, the exposure and ultimately the sales!
….the ignored independent brands this year brought us watches crafted from the tantalum, the rarest stable element in our solar system and even a perpetual calendar complication which will be delivered for under 10k dollars! But, at the biggest watch event in the world, these enthusiast brands, were NOT really welcome on that centre stage…so for the second year running, I left the event disgusted!
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@leonk8113 5 месяцев назад

Vinny analyses the watch market like no other youtuber out there. Much appreciated!

@vinnyfrancis 5 месяцев назад

thanks very kind!

@almeladze 5 месяцев назад

I disagree. I dont want to see baltic next to a JLC and a Patek... Just like I don't want to see a junior upstart team playing in the UEFA champions' league tournament. Let them have their own show and if they generate enough traffic and interest, they can play with the big boys. The big guys have big marketing budgets and reap the benefits. what you are suggesting is to have the young bucks free-ride tails of industry giants for the sake of diversity and inclusion. I don't think this is fair to the big boys.

@vinnyfrancis 5 месяцев назад

Fair point well made!

@kevinlaracy797 5 месяцев назад

agreed

@RootBeerGMT 4 месяца назад

The show is about luxury watches, which has nothing to do with equality. We buy these watches for the brand history and exclusivity. They are status symbols, no different than buying a jaguar 🐆 or Porsche. Relax Vinny-you sound vaccinated

@jmbaug1229 3 месяца назад

Fair to the big boys 😅 😂

@tomkhong9828 5 месяцев назад

Rolex CEO called those exhibitors (outside W&W24 ) pirates. The truth is, these “pirates” have better engagements with watch enthusiasts than the arrogant Rolex

@almeladze 5 месяцев назад

It'l like the hot and popular arrogant girl versus the ugly girl that's really personable and friendly LOLOL

@Xxxoo57 5 месяцев назад

But these luxury brands want to piss people off. They think people want what they can’t get. They are playing a dangerous game.

@johnnyvieira1740 5 месяцев назад

Great video Vinny I’m sick of being told that there is only 3-4 watch brands that are any good this shows how these big brands are taking advantage of their customer and ripping them off

@Andrew-yy2ye 5 месяцев назад

Well said sir you are a man who's got taste and discernment and I doff my non existent cap to you........San Martins finishing is up there with the Best,and I don't say that lightly and anyone who listens to hodinkee these days are fashion whores 😂😂

@tigerv88 5 месяцев назад

The big luxury brands should be welcoming these smaller brands with open arms, for the good of watchmaking. The industry needs these grass roots to sustain, those buying the smaller brands now maybe future Rolex buyers. Plus the smaller brands can pivot more easily and innovate, which is crucial for the future of the industry.

@mccobr 5 месяцев назад

Do you not mainly trade in those elitist, expensive brands? Do you do much business in the ‘plucky independents’? Maybe not much of a waitlist to beat… I get what you’re saying that W&W probably has a distasteful snobby feel but it’s the same at any shows that have premium brands. Take motor shows - you don’t generally get hands on with Ferraris or Aston Martin unless you’re invited - that’s because the many are, um too many. It’s annoying but they are there to sell things to people that can afford what they sell at the end of the day. Not sure why you were so disappointed/surprised with the ‘economic discrimination’; buying an anachronistic mechanical watch is by definition an economically discriminatory pursuit - no-one really needs any of these watches - a £10 Casio will do the same thing.

@simongoddard8490 5 месяцев назад

On point reporting. Of all the excellent coverage the tireless Tim Write did this year his coverage and interaction with the Independents was the most enjoyable.

@vinnyfrancis 5 месяцев назад

Agreed! The Nomos interaction was great in particular

@gavinwhite9743 5 месяцев назад

The glamour of the Rolex exhibition, strives to make you forget these are mass produced, machine-engineered, robotic assembled movements and watches being churned out with no attempt at high horology. (4,500 watches a day) Lovely and well engineered, just like my BMW. About as common as my BMW too. It would appear the bigger the stand, the less they have to say. Equally, it must be disheartening for IWC for instance, with new Portugeeser, last years Ingeneer, and a 400 year perpetual calender to see Tudor declared the winner with a monochrome watch from last year and a coke GMT homage.

@vinnyfrancis 5 месяцев назад

hmm perhaps, maybe they should rebrand it, 'luxury watches and wonders' then

@gavinwhite9743 5 месяцев назад

@@vinnyfrancis I agree, the interesting stuff is coming from the small brands.

@gaffs82 5 месяцев назад

How many videos have you made about those “great innovators” or smaller brands?

@vinnyfrancis 5 месяцев назад

take a look back through the videos on this channel. why the hate?

@gaffs82 5 месяцев назад

I did. Didn’t see any. No hate, just pointing out what I felt was a little bit of an inconsistency there. You criticise W&W, which we all know is a pay for play trade show, yet as a RU-vidr who can produce content for next to nothing, you’ve not been promoting these brands either! Great that you did in the second half of the video though.

@tomcraig8027 5 месяцев назад

Vinny best watch and wonders review i have seen. Refreshing that your not just following the herd and highlighting some smaller under the radar brands. Have never understood the hysteria and clapping seals when Rolex change the colour of a ceramic (plastic) bezel insert.

@vinnyfrancis 5 месяцев назад

Thanks Tom, hope you're keeping well!

@kickstothehead3705 5 месяцев назад

I’m with you brother the big brands have more of a f$ck it attitudes towards the public and the sheep 🐑 line up to pay more for the same I don’t get it. The whole thing is more for RU-vidrs and brands to circle jerk… kinda reminds me of the 💨 Fart sniffing South Park episode 😂

@vinnyfrancis 5 месяцев назад

Hahaha what a great metaphor😂, I think Rolex are really in charge of the while thing, if they were to withdraw the whole event would likely collapse so the organisers will focus on keeping them happy

@kickstothehead3705 5 месяцев назад

@@vinnyfrancis very likely

@Explorer40mm 5 месяцев назад

Vinny, as always, coming through with the critical one-two punch the watch elite need to hear. Rolex CEO referring to the small guys as unwelcome “pirates” did it for me. Happy to say I’ll never buy another Rolex but look forward to considering Oris, Omega, Longines etc. in the future. I’d like to try a Tudor but I won’t give in because Rolex want their poor customer service to drive us into the arms or Tudor. Don’t buy it, folks. Hold these brands accountable by holding onto your money.

@vinnyfrancis 5 месяцев назад

Thanks a lot! I really did feel this strongly this year, it should be an event for all brands particularly as the independents are what most of us are actually considering buying because of affordability!…Oris had an amazing booth this year though and always a shame the swatch group brands were not present either

@patrik3450 5 месяцев назад

Hmm 🤔 actually disappointed that brands are behaving like this. In general are people in society behaving a lot like this. Makes me want to stop participating

@vinnyfrancis 5 месяцев назад

Sure this is just a common theme across all of life I guess, money is power and its difficult for the small brands to get the stage and go unnoticed

@Stona999 5 месяцев назад

A couple things to note: (1) if you buy a watch based on gushing reviews from an influencer, you're an idiot. I appreciate these idiots because it keeps the secondary used market flowing with a healthy pipeline of lightly used watches. (2) Rolex and other brands will not stop making these very expensive watches when there is a line of fools waiting to buy them. Even more so now that Rolex owns Bucherer so they now keep 100% of the sales price on these items. Only a downward trend in demand will change the composition of the supply

@BAF605 5 месяцев назад

There did seem to be a lot of high priced watches in the novelties at W and W and it's true that many new smaller and microbrand makers are doing good things. As a grey dealer though surely you will have to concentrate on the usual suspects. I do a bit of buying and selling at the very affordable end (sub £1000) and I can tell you it isn't just Rolex prices that have fallen.

@vinnyfrancis 5 месяцев назад

This channel is more about my point of view, i dont tend to mix my interests as a businessman with my personal opinion on here, we do also trade with a lot of sub £5k pieces too and thats how i first started so its a market i know well

@micaljimenez7381 5 месяцев назад

Luxury is just big ego,nobody need a rolex full gold,but you want it just because you want everybody new whow rich you are,the same with the luxury car,nobody is suposed to drive at 300kmh with a lamborghini,nobody will go at 100 meter with a deepsea full gold,its all about showing hour money and adquisitive power and social position,a poor buy a rolex,a mkre rich a pateck and a very rich a richard mille or jacob and co,the owner of jacob and co will look the owner like a poor and the owner of rolex has a miserable....vanity,vanity...

@Xxxoo57 5 месяцев назад

Micro brands will takeover the watch industry, just like the way Chinese EV car brands are doing. They are offering good value and are obtainable.

@stevem863 5 месяцев назад

No offense, those big brands earn that right. They have the heritage, sales, and reputation. I love micro brands, but they aren’t at Watches and Wonders level. More at the level of Worn and Wound. Not a knock, they definitely have their space.

@tibhen8473 5 месяцев назад

Valid points, but i wish you would show us more the stands and the watches in details, not that you are bad looking, but watches matter more than your white shirt... too often youtubers put themselves forward more than their topic/products unfortunately ...

@Akj6zmdteuxze 5 месяцев назад

Didn’t click any rolex video I see something negative about rolex lol

@tondo6912 5 месяцев назад

💯valid comment Your honesty does not draw the big subscriber numbers the BS masters seem to generate with their silly easy to digest videos Keep up the good work

@chiliprepper7678 5 месяцев назад

OK. OK. So where is the event for the other brands? Let's see them get their act together. Screw Geneva. Let's have a Liverpool event...!

@nizarmurar 5 месяцев назад

Well done, Vinny. Many thanks Nizar

@davidbrown9947 5 месяцев назад

Well said again

@vinnyfrancis 5 месяцев назад

cheers David thanks for your loyal support

@davidbrown9947 5 месяцев назад

@@vinnyfrancis Your'e quite welcome . I don't blindly follow/support any grey market RU-vid dealer, only those who opine stuff on a factual basis. So many grey market dealers claiming to be selling 8 Daytonas or Yacht masters at Covid prices a week. " Oh we have / are so busy, our shop is full, as are our meeting rooms" Yes , agreed. With people looking to sell/get out of watches they purchased at x2 plus RRP. FFS. These deluded folk , still contend the market is on the up when you buy, yet when selling they will tell you in the next breath the market is on its knees. I and colleagues have had reason to visit some major RU-vidrs premises to see what was available at decent prices. Both said grey market dealers, with very significant YT platforms, seemed desperate. The phone never rang ( in two hours on 3 ocassions, and you could cut the atmosphere with a knife. By way of example. Box and papers, add nothing to the price when one is selling. When one is buying, " Oh box and papers is a 20% uplift. Puters operating in this space, are not ( in the main uneducated, morons)

@kevinlaracy797 5 месяцев назад

This show costs a ton of money so of course, it's a big boy, big money event. Why does that surprise anyone? Small, independent watch brands need to pony up for their own show. It's simple business sense.

@vinnyfrancis 5 месяцев назад

yes fair enough, though it was just sad to not see these great innovations there on the centre stage and thus getting the media attention, I guess thats capitalism...though they could introduce a cheaper tier with smaller booths/exhibition style tables so they could at least be there, space is definitely not a prohibiting factor

@WestCoastAce27 5 месяцев назад

Great video. Sadly snobbery is a part of our watch hobby; will never go away. And as prices go up it’s going to get worse.

@vinnyfrancis 5 месяцев назад

True story

@dannysimenauer5745 5 месяцев назад

Only if we the collectors allow it. I personally do not visit an AD any longer unless I just want to try on a watch. Then I buy it from a grey market dealer. I will not play the AD Pandemic Games.

@faizalhakim3772 5 месяцев назад

Dubai watch show!

@osobad1127 5 месяцев назад

Dubai Watch week is the new Watches and Wonders

@ttothec 5 месяцев назад

Is this meant to be surprising or shocking?

@vinnyfrancis 5 месяцев назад

is what?

@Xxxoo57 5 месяцев назад

Letting plebs and peasants touch the watches isn’t what the top brands are about. They want to continue to perpetuate the game of exclusivity. You can look but can’t touch or buy their pieces. You are right. This elitist mentality will alienate more watch enthusiasts. This is great for micro brands. Atelier Wan is excellent. Their founders are friendly, open and approachable.

@RootBeerGMT 4 месяца назад

I don’t care about the “independent” brands at all.

@vietmontague 5 месяцев назад

Great video. Right on about the mainstream watch media just putting out articles singing undeserved high praise to all these watch brands and not offering anything really balanced. Can't wait for that perpetual calendar to come out. It looks amazing.

@keithlos1497 5 месяцев назад

Spot on comments. 🙌🙌👍

@vinnyfrancis 5 месяцев назад

thanks!

@douglascohen2521 5 месяцев назад

They should include everything!!! Let them compete!

@Gunshow86 5 месяцев назад

Finally an honest review about Watches and Wonders.

@jh-il5sb 5 месяцев назад

you disappoint me....economic discrimination. This is capitalism in it's purist form. As a businessman, this is a concept you should fully understand.

@vinnyfrancis 5 месяцев назад

yes i get it, i worked for an investment bank for two years and have a finance degree…just a shame that they didn’t get the exposure they deserved is my point from an enthusiast POV