I had the exact same labrum tear and repair a few years ago. I had an accident rock climbing and wasn’t able to do a pull-up for 7 months, now I’m climbing harder than ever, doing front levers and even one arm pull-ups with both arms. It was a long journey but I’m glad I had the surgery and took my rehab very seriously
This was a great video and not often discussed enough. One aspect of dealing with an injury over a long period that would be interesting to hear more about is it's affect on your mindset. Obviously training is a big part of your life and not being able to train (at a challenging intensity level) for months at a time, when at times not even knowing what the problem is, must have been extremely frustrating. I think that showed when you were shaking your head after the clicking noise. Cheers.
You have no idea! Ive been struggling with an ACL tear, and then right when i got back i got a labral tear lol, gonna get surgery next month and hopefully ill be free after.
Im a training radiologist and have been doing calisthenics for about a year and appreciate the quality of the information and personal experience. Hope your recovery goes well 🇿🇦
As someone who has suffered from a wrist, elbows, shoulders and ankle injuries, I am very thankful and grateful for your transparency of sharing your experience dealing with injuries especially knowing some people might be intimidated by this and took it personally to an extreme extent, thinking calisthenics is a dangerous exercise and can be harmful for the joints(tendons, ligaments, etc). But with your expertized advice and guidance, I strongly believe that being patient and consistent, and with an intelligent approach, we will be able to built strong and resilient joints over time and therefore further reduce the risk of injury. P/S: I have been recovering from these injuries and finally been able to do muscle ups both on rings and bars without pain. Pre-injuries I didn’t even manage to do a muscle up. Thank you very much for everything you did..
Key lesson here: manage volume, warm up well (and warm up even better when you on Simon’s level of strength that means your session has some elite movements in it) train good and recover harder.
Had this same thing done 7 months! Longer recover than I expected, but this makes me hopeful there’s light at the end of the tunnel. Thanks for sharing!
This video is / was absolutely amazing. You have inspired me whilst I’m going through my post supra, infra rotator cuff recovery, I’m in month 4 now on light weights and flex ability stages , I’ve been out 2 1/2 years with this injury waiting for it too get better and never did, operation was on Feb 14th this year so I can’t wait to fully recover. Thank you mate 🙏
I would like to echo what so many others have said in the comments: Thank you so much for this video. You have voiced many concerns a lot of us have: should we get the surgery vs choosing to live with the tears, how long will the recovery be, the effect the loss of progress from working out has (both physically and mentally). I also loved the format of personal thoughts/experiences mixed with research data, great combination. It's great and inspirational to see someone in great shape like you get back to what you enjoyed and what you felt good doing, as I believe many of us wish the same thing for ourselves. Have a great and speedy recovery and thanks again!
I've been dealing with bad shoulder pain for a year. Getting surgery may 1st. I agree with you on just getting the surgery and going back to things you love doing. And not being scared or worried about doing it, then being in pain for 4 days after. I can't wait to get back to normal and do all my favorite weight lifting exercises again.
How is your shoulder surgery going? How's your recovery? I have a SLAP tear in my right shoulder. For about 8 months. I'm going to get surgery to fix it.. So how is going?
Thank you! I have similar story injury wise, different sports. The pain is at the point where I look like Houdini putting my shirt on and taking it off. MRI with contrast show torn labrum and a little rotator cuff damage. I’m finally going to get the surgery, I have a few good years left in me and I want to get back to competing.
Thank you, Simon, for sharing this with us. I'm so glad it helped! And, thank you for the name of the surgeon. My experiences with surgeons range from bad to terrible.
Thank you for sharing this! I work in construction and I love to work out. I am not going as hard as you but I am deciding whether to or not to get the surgery. My shoulder doesn’t feel stable like my left one and I just want to get back to exercising and working without pain and with confidence or without making the injury worst.
well yess but not every professionnals, some are really bad as well, sad but true I experienced it myself so many times, finally you have to search for truth and trust yourself
I haven't been as lucky as you. I had that surgery 4 years ago and my shoulder has been much worse than it was before I had it. i am young and it's shocking to see how debilitating this has been. I don't use my left arm at all now, it feel like its hanging off my body. I can feel the wire they used to sow my labrum and it hurts so much. now I want it removed.
@@jeffreyjohnson6049 i had my surgery July 6th and I’m feeling great, doing sets of push ups and plyometrics (I’m ahead of schedule) but no where near close to 100% definitely need to rehab more but the progress is noticeable every week
I ended up with a rotator cuff surgery because of a mountain biking accident . I have a slap tear in the other shoulder and at this stage , I don’t think I ll need surgery unless something else happens. I m in my 40s and recovery from surgery might be more difficult. I have occasional pain but it doesn’t really prevent me from doing what I like . Very interesting video. Thanks for sharing 👊🏻
torn labrum with a cyst pressig on my nerve causing major pain. was given a cortisone shot for relief. speaking with my doctor on Tuesday to talk about what the next steps are.
thank you Simon to share your shoulder story with us! i hope that you never get any pain again :) im doing Calistehnics since 2,5 years and i have also a shoulder pain in the Push up exercises since more than 9 months, the MRI reports that i have a little inflammation in my biceps tendon ( long head ), and the doctor told me that i don't really need a surgery to get this pain away, im doing conservative a rotator cuff strenghtening exersices and i hope that i get fit as soon as possible :(
came into bjj with an already fully torn labrum and it was a little uncomfortable and I couldn't fight as aggressively as I wanted and even competed in some tournaments and felt like I could have been much more aggressive and avoided some losses as well and I kept postponing the surgery because I was seeing quick growth in bjj but eventually, things caught up with me and I dislocated my shoulder in a recent class and had to get a surgery and it's been roughly 8 weeks, and it was obviously difficult at first, but the only issue I'm experiencing now is that the shoulder might click in some stretches and it still feels a little stiff, and I'm expecting to heal quickly enough to fight in November at the Abu Dhabi World Pro. Great video
I'm a Corrective Exercise Specialist and Acupuncturist. Also a Calisthenics athlete and am 44. I relate. I been having issues with those exact exercises. I can front lever no prob , I can pull up , no prob. I even can Handstand and Planche. As long as I don't Planche push up or Handstand push up. As soon as I do that I hurts after the workout for a few days .. sometimes it resolves in a Day. But if I go back it it it happens again. I seem to be able to do easy progressions on Planche Pushups , but I'm ok not lite progressions. Not harder ones. ... But handstand push-ups almost always not bother it. Even pike. But I don't often feel it during. I been doing lots of Posterior stability work. , External rotation, and training into shoulder Extension like VSit and manna. Those seem to help.
You know there is no glenoid bone ... right ?. The glenoid is a part of the scapula, there is only 3 bones in the shoulder humerus, clavicle and scapula, no glenoid and those drill holes are not going in the clavicle or the humerus.
Hey, i would really appreciate it if you shared the exercises you did to rehab the shoulder prior to the surgery? have a minor labrum tear but have constant shoulder pain doing day to day things, thanks.
Interesting! Also had surgery 3 weeks ago. Full rupture of infraspinarus and also same with supraspinatus in the same shoulder. Supra has been of in 9 years. Infra 2 month. Also has rupture bicebs long head in the Other shoulder. But thats no problem. Good luck and get well 💪
Great video, well explained & very useful for anybody who have / had shoulder pain 👍 Any update on your condition ? I injured both of mine 4 weeks ago doing to much with little rest. XRAY + Ultra sound : no RC tears but inflammation on multiples tendons, small impingement & small bursitis (nothing fancy, all athlete have that sort of things based on studies). Sport Doc. think I might have also a minor labrum tear based on the sound my shoulders do when I raised my arms (but it might also be the inflamed tendons rubing against bones or else ...). I'm very vigilant concerning my health so even if it's better than D+1 I will get a Arthrogram. I'm rehabbing this injury the same way than if I had already surgery, very consistant & very focus on form, still doing leg in the gym but the mental took a toll. I miss doing muscle up though ... but it's just a set back (I hope).
Just found a still mild tear on my right labrum and my doctor told me to do some physiotherapy before going under the knife. In reality it took me three years, two therapist and two traumathologists to get a proper diagnosis.
Very interesting, I think I have this from the same area in my shoulder. I also developed the same knack from 5:04, from handhops, airchair and airflares. When I do these moves I have some pain for 1-2 days but it goes away, and comes everything I do those moves again. I started training one hand balance and hops on my left(weak) arm, after 1-2 years I have now developed the same knack for this arm now lol, but I don't get pain with it. I'll visit a shoulder expert and hope they can pin point it.
Just wondering, how long did you feel pain going through your rehab? I am at three months and definitely still have a lot of pain especially in the mornings and at night.
I had the same surgery over 18 months ago with a similar story to yours. How is your function now? I’m back to lifting weights regularly and have actually broken PRs, but some exercises still bother me slightly. I know the shoulder will never be the same pre injury/surgery, but I’d be curious to know about your current status. Thank you for sharing. Also, the one hand hoping is insane. I have never seen that before.
I injured my left shoulder with one overhead axe throwing about a year and a half ago. I went to a shoulder/sports med pt for about a year but wasn't rigid on my at home training. I'm now in extreme pain, can't lift my arm about shoulder level, and have been evaluated by an orthopedic shoulder surgeon that surgery is a good plan for me. I work at a garden center so I'm often using my arms overhead. I don't have any heavy lifting through Dec, Jan, and Feb. 1) how long would it take to get back to basic office work (my main concern) and 2) would I, with regular pt be healed enough to do more physical activity by March. I badly want to return to climbing and I know right now that's an impossibility. My PT said he didn't think it was smart to keep going with PT, my chiro is leaning towards surgery, and the Ortho is ready to set an appt. What are your thoughts with the information that I've shared?
I'm 1 week post surgery right shoulder ...I had the rotator cuff arthroscopic right shoulder .. super spinadus infrasperiatis and labrum repared .right before the surgery I still able to do handstands 5 minute hold. One arm shoulder touch and push-ups muscle ups but there was a looseness in the shoulder instability issues. Tendons were torn retracted. my question is after surgery it's been 1 week ...I can move my arm full rotation.. I don't like using the sling 24 7 how important is it to use the slang 24 7... I'm more comfortable sleeping and walking around free. Obviously I won't use the arm for anything. No gymnastics .. lol. But why lock it up .. scarring?? I don't have much pain without sling. Just don't force it to move.. the sling splint is s pain in the ass
I have read all over the Internet that doing pike airflares will injure your shoulder. That is why I was surprised you taught that style in your tutorial. I figured it must be a bunch of underdeveloped bboys who were injuring their shoulders. I realized you are super athletic which led me to your scapula training video for strengthening exercises. Eventually I found this video of your injury. I was not surprised because you practice the pike airflare. Bboy seita's airflare tutorial may be a safer angle on the shoulder. In the comments he explains to Kaio Falcrow that the pike airflare style hurts his shoulder & that is why he uses a different form. I believe inverts are damaging to your shoulder. Bboy vincanity does those & he has shoulder issues. If I pull a invert, I can feel a sharp pain for many days( bboy of 10+ years). Bboy lil G & marcio do piked airflares, we will see if they injure themselves. I had a friend who threw out his shoulder doing hand hops. But this was back in 2005 before RU-vid was main stream for tutorials. He was hopping with his shoulder instead of locking his arm and kicking with his legs. His hand hop injury was preventable. From a bboy perspective, i think it was the pike airflare & inverts that caused your injury over time.
Yeah, you can speculate all you want but we will never know. Keep in mind I had been doing airflares for more than a decade prior to this (in both directions) with no issues! In fact, the year leading up to the injury was the time I had done the least airflares. Many handbalancers do figa which is a similar shoulder position and have no issues. While 20 years of powermoves, hollowbacks, airchairs, and handhops surely contributed, it’s naive and arrogant to say it was caused by one particular move or technique. As mentioned in the video, shoulder pathology on imaging is very common in overhead athletes, especially on their dominant arm. From this you can make the argument that just about any sport or shoulder activity is dangerous. If you want to say a particular movement or technique is dangerous you should be able to provide a good rationale as to why. Many people have injured their shoulders doing airflares with the other method too. I don’t think either is inherently bad… but putting your bodyweight on one arm and jumping comes with some level of risk.
yes but figa is static and controlled so not comparable to airflare which includes impact, jump and posibly overstretched position in the landing and also take off and I also feel the bboy hollow back is a fucking shoulder destroyer😅😂 airchair as well, I mean so many common breaking moves look so able to provoque shoulders injuries especually the more dynamic moves cause the control is not always there, I don't want to be so pessimistic but it s clear that some bboy shapes are high injury risk! And don't keep me wrong i really love crazy intense moves but high hops on one hand, airchair flare or pike airflare for example are definitely not moves that should be train regularly! anyway you are a great inspiration and i hope you ll recover and don't have any more injuries✌️
doing calisthenics for almost 3 years now.. my shoulder is often doing some weird sounds when moving it xD but without any pain ^^ i hope i never need a surgery or have an injury :D calisthenics really changed my life :D
How old were you when the surgery was done? I only ask as surgeons appear to have apprehension repairing the labrum in 35+ individuals and pursue bicep tenodesis in lieu of labral repair. Just curious, thanks for ur time
I have also heard that orthopedic surgeons suggest bicep tenodesis instead of labrum repair. In fact, one told me that if you are an overhead athlete and you get a slap repair you have 60% of retearing it and 50% chance of overhead pain after the surgery(without retearing occuring).
And I was in the same situation , this labrum tear is so common among athletes I was able to continue day to day life activities with some pain but was not able to workout free , bench pressing was not possible along with some other workouts so I elected to have the surgery
@@fahadblack98 update, 3 months post op and I'm back in the gym for light workout Still have pain but therapists think it will be 0 in the next 3 months
@@samalfellah2066 man really happy that you got back to the gym. I want to know did you have clicking and clunking pre surgery and is it gone now. Did you have any loose cartilage when the labrum was shown in the arthroscope. Thanks bro and I hope you are doing great
Hey man, thank you for the video. I am getting surgery on my labrum soon, and I’m very nervous. I was wondering if you have any suggestions to help get through some nervous or any tips to help get through the recovery. Again, thank tou
@@sergiojrsanchez I am feeling a ton better! My range of motion is very good except in one spot. And my strength is getting better. The hardest part is not doing anything
hi, you know some about wrist TFCC? i suffer this (it appaeared 1 year ago figthing box and do calisthenics) and i cant get a ansewer until today, i got all, rmn and other studies, and 2 months ago i veen surgery. still i cant do pushpups and whatever excercise with supination grip, if someone knows some... pls help, thanks. I only feel better after falls (some weeks ago) with the hand extended, it´s strange, but after that fall, my wrist got better isnt a inflamation i got corticoids inyectable and also via oral, no one can help me
First, thank you for this video. I had this surgery 5 days ago. I’m feeling great and am very hopeful about my final outcome after recovery. I do have a question for you. I am wearing my sling 24/7 as instructed, outside of bathing, dressing, and pendelum exercises but I am worried that my activity level is too high and could damage the work of the surgery. I am a mom of twin 5 year olds so the activity I speak of comes from caring for my house and preparing food. Is my shoulder Labral repair well protected by the post surgery sling even with high activity level? Can you recommend a resource with good specific information about this? Thanks for your help. Dreaming of a strong, stable, pain free shoulder in my near future! 💭
@@JohnOfChernarus So far so good, this surgery was needed for me because it caused my shoulder to keep dislocating. First month after the surgery was the most difficult one, because you have to stay on a sling at all time. Going to sleep was a challenge, you are restricted on sleeping positions. What I can tell you is to follow PT when the doctors give you the green light to do it, even if it gets boring just do it. It took me 6 full months to get most of my range of motion in the shoulder. It sounds a lot time but the good news is that around the third or fourth month you are pretty much moving the shoulder better. After the 6 months, I had to pay out of pocket for a full sport PT online course so I can go back to do more extensive sports because I like to stay very active.
I’m at 2 days post op I’m at that point to where my shoulder is killing me and I’ve thrown up a couple times either from the pain meds or lack of anti nausea tablets either way feeling real crap at the moment how long can I expect to feel like this
I have so many injuries .Not lifting ones. They started 2 years back and they have accumulated over 2 years. I was a dick head back then & didn't go to a doc and regret it now that I train coz I can't do a lot of stuff. Will soon go to the doctor. Both my shoulders and knees are fucked up. Elbows click sometimes and slight pain near the hip during deadlifts
I been having problems with my left shoulder for almost a year due to a db shoulder press and after going to so many drs I finally found out I have a labrum tear :(
@@navneetsankhla6745 i’m about 7 weeks out from surgery. still painful at times but finally starting to get my range of motion back. supposed to be back at 100% by the 6 month mark, so we’ll wait and see
Well “if possible” is probably a stretch. This would mean almost every elective surgery should be discouraged. However, I agree with the sentiment that many surgeries are not necessary and often conservative management leads to a similar (if not better) outcome. I think it ultimately comes down to if you’re happy with your outcome. I generally encourage a trial of conservative management and physiotherapy. If this leads to an outcome that you’re happy with - awesome, no need for surgery. If you’re not happy with the outcome and surgery is expected to give a better one, then at this point go get it. At least that’s what I would personally do (and did regarding my shoulder).
It’s ironic that we live in a world where he has to caution about taking advice from friends or people online regarding an injury rather than health professionals and in person assessment. Social media advice seems to have diminished the importance of trained expertise.
At the end of the day everybody can make mistakes, "professionals" can also be wrong and normal people can be right. So you have to everything with a grain of salt.
@@breakdancerQ I agree about professionals getting things wrong. There's a huge amount of good that comes from hearing alternate stories and approaches, but I think social media can distort the value of other opinions on some quite serious issues.
Interesting perspective. I think I have a similar, maybe same issue except for the very loud clicking sound. Most likely triggered by airflares. So far it’s not bad enough for me to consider surgery but it does cause me to forego some exercises like airflare, and aggravates during exercises like heavy benchpress. For me so far, rotator cuff exercises doesn’t seem to improve the pain flaring up, but I have noticed upper back exercises for muscles like rhomboids and rear delts help. Possibly a weakness there causes more stress elsewhere. Breaking and calisthenics is mostly dominant on the front side of the body, so could be an explanation and something worth trying for people with similar issues. Curious to hear your thoughts on this as well.
@soliduus. Yes the Rear delts training may help. I'm a Corrective Exercise Specialist and Acupuncturist. Also a Calisthenics athlete.. I hired a Coach years Back for Hand balancing he has trained many high level Gymnast and he had me train the Manna and VSit and said that will help protect the Shoulder against all the Pushing dominant exercises. So I always trained Manna along with any skill I was going for. That and Rotator cuff external rotation , and YTA raises Low , mid Traps and Rhomboids .
