My Favorite LPVO Kinda Sucks 

It's very difficult to demonstrate or describe the optical issue with this scope, but everyone who looked through the Credo noticed it immediately. The best way I can describe it is that the image shifts or smears if your eye isn't in exactly the right spot behind the scope. The larger problem is that the exact right spot is slightly off center, far enough that it introduces scope shadow on one side.

Aside from being extremely helpful, Hop's reviews are relentlessly savage and they never fail to amuse

Hop describing his $1,000 LPVO as a "cost effective" option stings. (sighs in Sig Tango MSR poor).

Longtime viewer and I hate to say it but I think Hop has finally done it. He's done well enough that he's changed tax brackets: he called the Trij Credo affordable. I recall a day when his idea of expensive and mine were in sync. I know the LPVO isn't super expensive as far these go but in my life, a grand for 1 to 4 anything isn't affordable. But I still love him and will keep watching.

If you aren’t the USMC, trijicon doesn’t really care to cater to your needs.

I think Trijicon is your mortal enemy. They must not have liked your MRO video

On top of everything the whole rebrand of their LPVO line was just needlessly confusing and the new names aren't exactly improvements on the old. Trij also hyped it up as a huge thing happening and then just said "oh the accupower is now called the credo" like 5 times

This is my problem with spending big money on more expensive LPVOs. I prefer LPVOs because I'm not Sammy Sniper, but a 1-6 or 1-8 for my hunting, tac shooting, etc. needs. I want humanly achievable eye relief, a solid reticle, and glass that isn't garbage. Hell, I'd even punt on the reticle a bit if I can figure out my own holds and dope with loads.

This channel has become my go to source for deadass honest reviews of stuff I´m looking to buy. Thanks for that and the enterntainment too.

Fantastic points you brought up. This is the Exact performance I got from thr Accupower 1-4 many years ago. A fantasticly built scope, but the image quality sucked balls. If your wondering about a 1-4 accupower? It's pretty similar from my experience as well. As stated the HX 1-6 is the dominant lpvo in Triji'a line up. Followed of course by the 1-8 in ffp. But that's 10oz heavier then this. So unless you want a 1-8 mpvo, your boned. Thanks for the shout out!

Hop, you’re clout associated with TFBTv is what’s going to put C_Does on the map. The man has been making, by far, the best optics reviews for years, and is still out of the algorithm. Get your short shorts wearing son to plug him already. You’re always gold. James seems, sticky. Like a movie theater floor.

Have the 1-6 Credo w/ BDC Segmented Circle and it is the best LPVO I have every ran hands down. It is incredible up close as the segmented circle operates like an eotech. The bottom of the segmented circle corresponds to height over bore up close on my 1.93 mount. The 1/4 MOA sub tensions is an awesome touch to a high quality optic. I have not had the issues on zoom with my 1-6 so hopefully this is a sample size one. It is an incredible optic and I would never purchase anything else

You're reviews are savage af. Thank you for being real with your audience

Love your honesty and bluntness with your reviews!

I've watched this video maybe 30 times, it's very informative. Ended up buying the Credo 1-6 based on your recs. Keep up the good work!

The optical clarity of the Credo 1-8 has been good but, maybe I need to compare it directly with a Razor in order to verify my experience. Thanks for bringing up these points.

I have been using an ATIBAL 1x8 30mm, lighted reticle scope for over a year now on my 14.5 in DD AR. It weighs about 17.5 oz without the rings. It is a little heavy but has worked great. I have no problem hitting out to 500 yards with the reticle. It also comes in at about $300 with a lifetime warranty. I love it.

Primary arms ACSS is my fav LPVO. Love the reticle and the target acquisition at 1X is adequate. However it’s kinda heavy and the glass isn’t as clear as something like the Razer or the Vudu

I have a VCOG 1-8 on my DD5v3. Besides being rather hefty at 30 oz (with integrated mount), it's fantastic. And my favorite part is that instead of a solid cross for an aiming point, the center is hollowed out with a tiny dot at the center. After some (probably incorrect) math I figure the center dot is about .4 MOA. So the cross looks like a 1.5 MOA dot at 1x, and at 8x it's the smallest aiming point I've seen besides a chevron. And you can see your target through the spaces between the dot and the lines of the cross. I agonized for months before deciding on an expensive optic on my expensive gun, basically because of reticles. Glad I got this one. Although I think I'd still rather have an ACSS with a chevron and horseshoe.

Nice to see you’re still fielding the Militiaworks rifle. I bought one after your review and couldn’t be happier

Keep the honest reviews up, they’re much appreciated.

I just put a LPVO 1x-8x on my 30-30 deer rifle, and I am loving it. For a 20-100 yard hunting situation, I love having the ability to back off to "brush gun" 1x or getting to really zoom in for a good placed shot.

Was not even aware of the C-Does RU-vid channel. Thanks for pointing him out. Hopefully I will find a LVPO that doesn't break the bank. Always love the no BS reviews since your commentaries is what keeps forcing manufacturers to improve their products. Well, at least they should take heed.

This is a perfectly timed review. I was thinking about getting one of these for a 11.5 pistol. Thanks!

Thanks for the descriptive analogy and candor

I really appreciate the honesty of this review!

Primary Arms, cheap, great reticle, good glass, one to six, light weight.

Thank you for saving me $500. Was about to pick up a Trijicon Credo HX 1-4x. Couldn't find any real reviews until this video popped. Hop doing the Lord's work!

Love my 1-8 accupower. With a mil reticle and QD mount so I can run it on multiple guns. Wind holds a challenge if I don't dial the elevation but other than that and the weight I have no complaints.

Great review. As far as reticles go, if you like BDC or even good MIL, you might try Primary Arms GLX or PLX line of scopes. I can tell you that for both AK-7.62X39-300 BLK and their 5.56 and 308 holds are pretty much dead-on for BDC and wind dots.

Got a vcog 1-6 for $1500 , used but looked brand new. It is pretty crisp at 6x to 300 yards. Haven't had it out any farther. Was actually going to send it to C-Does for a review, but I have a package still sitting in North Houston since April 26.

You nailed it on the head - its a compromise option.

At this point I just want to know are you guys going to start doing the sledgehammer drill in the desert just like your spirit animal nutnfancy

I was considering getting this one. Mainly because of the 1-6, but I figured this would be the best for me for size. I'm glad you reviewed it and gave your honest opinion about it. That's probably why they're selling these for under 500 right now. I got my eye on a steiner p4xi right now. I think I'm going to get it since I can get it for alil over 600.

Credo? more like cre-doodoo

The kind of issue you're describing almost sounds like what I see sometimes when I look through my Monstrum 1-4x20 on my 10/22. I'm not sure if it's the ocular focus getting knocked around or what but that is typically what I find myself playing with between magnifications when I am squirrel hunting with it. It works. But the issues have had me considering swapping it out for something even slightly better.

I would urge you to revisit that vortex mil reticle in the PST and Razor 1-6. Once you plug the numbers into Strelok or another ballistic app you'll see how well those hashmarks line up. The posts are thick enough where it works well without the illumination, but once you have the option of that aimpoint bright dot you'll never go back. I used to think just like you on the reticle and got fed up with the mid range lpvos. I bit the bullet and cried while buying the Razor 1-6, and now I get it and no longer shop for LPVOs as that is the one.

I've been VERY happy with my 1-4 Accupower but I also bought it right as Trijicon was trying to dump the Accupowers right before the announcement of the Credo so I only paid $450 for mine. It's the clearest image out of any scope I've ever personally seen but there are plenty of people that have used optics I will never afford or experience that would say these aren't that great compared to something in the $1,500+ price range

The Strike Eagle horseshoe and PA's ACSS are my favorite reticles

I tried the primary arms griffin x 1x8. 17-18oz. Aero mount on my 20". Im happy with it. I want another for a 18" now. My ranch is in the rolling foothills below the high desert mountains. Views for miles. The griffin 1x8 seems to work in all lighting conditions and all magnifications. Im pretty sure i paid less than $500 for it.

I have a primary arms 1-6 lpvo on my 16" wwsd build. I enjoy it

I have the tritium illuminated TR-24 with triangle reticle and I love it

Holy shit, this review was so relevant to me for a lot of the reasons you mentioned. I was planning on getting this exact scope to go on my 16" because it's one of the lightest LPVOs out there, it's SFP (which I want for the easy 1x use), and idgaf about illumination. You spelled out my exact mindset and then shit all over it lol.

The old Accupoint 1x4 that i picked up in a trade in 2010 even with its' goofy triangle and post "reticle" thing, is still a bomb proof rocket.🤷‍♂️

I haven't found anything I like better than the Gen II Razor with JM1 reticle. Bright red dot for CQB. Simple reticle with shoulder width hash marks at subtended distances. PB to 250 yards with proper zero. Crystal clear optics. I've shot IPSC silhouettes to 600 with mine, works great. No need to look further. I like your reviews Hop. Guess you don't get to use your dad's wardrobe of shorts.

I needed this video.

I'd be very interested in seeing your take on the Trijicon Accupoint tbh

Holy shit Nutnfancy lost a bunch of weight! Good job Nutn! Keep the POU WROL FKOC WTFBBQ going buddy!

I have a Razor Gen 2 1-6. I like the image quality and the jm-1 reticle but it’s not a true 1x. I used to have a Leupold mk6 1-6 and that felt like a true 1-6 and the image quality was very good but it wasn’t cheap. I’ve heard good things about the primary arm lpvo’s so I think I’m going to try one of those next.

I guess I’m fortunate to have picked up a 1-8 AccuPower when those were around. It’s basically the Credo, same reticle style, but larger objective lens and doesn’t have the Vaseline-vision issue.

Ask someone who has been in the shit how often they could accurately use a range feature inside their optic on an AR platform rifle... The answer may surprise you. For me it's a simple uncluttered reticle with a daylight bright center dot.... Razor, Pst, Steiner...

I have the Trijicon Credo HX 1x6 MOA Segmented Circle and have not experienced your findings. Now I will have to look closer

Any chance you'll do any reviews on any of the magnified optics that Primary Arms has put out? I am curious to see your opinion on them, considering I have the 5x prism that they have, and I honestly quite enjoy it. The reticle is a little too small for my taste, but it is unobtrusive, it works well enough for me to be able to use it, and the glass clarity, in my uninformed opinion, is pretty good. I would be down to throw mine your way if you wanted to use it for a review instead of spending cash on it.

I'd love to hear more about how you set up your SPR ranges. How many steel targets do you have out there, and what are thier ranges? I imagine terrain dictates the angles, but what are some of the most extremes you were able to shoot at?

I'm building my first AR-15 and chose the Vortex Ranger 1-4. It has similar specs to the Credo 1-4. It gives a clear image, has slightly larger eye relief ,and only costs $269. However, the reticle may be too simplistic for your purposes, but I'm happy with it.

I have the 1-6 credo with the SFP red BDC. It’s bright and has good glass quality. It’s not as good as my VCOG 1-8 for clarity but good. I’m not certain why they have problems with the 1-4 credo. The old Accupoints have good glass quality and the 1-6 Accupoint and credo are good and the scope body disappears. PSA had the 1-6 red BDC for $750 it was a good deal.

Hop your the shit dude. I'm dying from your brutal honesty. It's why I love your content. Pete is lucky to have you at TFB. James is not the only Premier Personality man. Keep Rocking On Man!

I have the AccuPoint 1-4 and I really like its just the German post reticle with the green triangle so no BDC but for what I use it for it’s perfect. It’s like having a variable power ACOG with an awesome eyebox and very nice glass. I love it.

I don’t want BDC dials or reticles. Give me MRAD in the reticle and a tactical turret. That way I can run 75/77gr and 55 or 62gr and adjust as required.

Your doing some awesome reviews man I'm surprised you don't have more subscribers yet and your the go to in the night vision world in my opinion. Would you do a review on the LN-ELIR3? Apparently you can remove a filter and make it a full power illuminator and I'd love to hear your thoughts on it

I wasn’t a fan of LPVOs until I got my Kahles K16i, SM1 reticle. Thing is awesome. Have it on my 14.5 SR15. However, my 11.5 Super Duty with T2 is still my main squeeze.

The stars aligned for trijicon the day they we’re making the credo 1-8 hx. Definitely check it out man.

You have to check out the Swampfox 1-10 Arrowhead. This is one of the best LPVO's for the money. The glass is really clear, no color shift, no fringing, the entire reticle lights up, the BDC is really nice, it is daylight bright if you want that, it is just amazing.

That optical issue is so strange. I have been LPVO shopping and put hands on and used quite a few (Vudu 1-6, PSTII 1-6, Leupold Patrol 1-6x, to name a few), and the Credo 1-6. I’ll have to look through another one but I didn’t notice the same image smear occurring and I was looking through four competing LPVOs side by side

been loving my 1-6 credo mrad ffp but have been wanting the bdc version recently but also been liking learning mils, also sucks about the optical issues mine thankfully doesn't

I have one of those cheap AR-223 LPVO's, and a tijicon Credo 1-6. But weirdly enough, my favorite by far is my Primary Arms SLx 1-6. I picked it up for $250 on sale with a Mil discount, and it freakin rocks. I bought it to just put on an SKS I rebuilt from an estate sale to make a clone of a Yugo 59/66, but now it lives permanently on my 14.5 AR. I am more of a fixed magnification extremist, but I like the SLx quite a lot.

I have the Credo HX264. My image quality is just fine! Only the edges at 1x power have a slight slight fishbowl effect. Also I have the SINGLE RED as you have covered. For me this is the reticle I want for my AR10, the 308 BDC with single red dot. I understand your desire for the reticle you want. Hope someone releases one soon!

I purchased a credo and was stoked til I found this same issue. I wanted lightweight, solid 1x, and decent clarity.

Just get a VCOG. My best friend asked me to zero his VCOG with the MIL christmas tree reticle 1-8 and I actually used the shit out of it. It is pretty good. Not quite as good as my ATACR 1-8, Swarovski Z8i 1-8 or MK8 1-8 but good bang for the buck. Which brings me to my next portion. I just looked through a primary arms SLX FFP 1-6 with their ACSS 556 earlier today and was super impressed with it. While I am a snob when it comes to anything and everything I buy from cars to clothes, guns, etc. I really liked that scope. For like 400 bones I was blown away. While the reticle wasnt “burn your retina out” the way most oper8ors here on youtube like, it was ok. Honestly has me thinking about buying a PLX, because if the silver SLX line was that good, the platinum PLX line must be epic value. Thanks for the review bro.

I have an Accupower 1-4 and mine does not look like that at all at 4x... However, mine is the HX reticle, because I put it on a 14.5 carbine that I pushed into competition. The simple MOA crosshair reticle is perfect for the distances I shoot it in. For some reason, I think it's something to do with the reticle itself and how it's manufactured. This is always the Accupower/Credo version that I see people online shit on.

I own a accupoint tr-24. At first I really liked it and I still do. The simple triangle brings my eye to it quickly. With that being said I do feel that it absolutely doesn’t give me as much information. It’s literally a triangle and two posts. With that being said the longest distance I shoot is 200 yards because that’s the farthest range out here. And it’s fine for that distance.

I still feel the Acog with top mounted red dot is still the best route for most uses of a rifle. Use a Kram spacer to get the optic closer to your eyeball and the eyebox problems pretty much dissapear and it makes the top red dot even a bit higher to be useful with a PVS 14. But yeah, I've held some trijicon LPVO's in my LGS and looked through them and the glass quality compared to the Acog just isn't there for some reason. Even on the 6x and 8x models. That and the MRO flat out sucks ass. Trijicon should really focus more on getting their Acog line streamlined with more RMR included bundles and stop farting around with things they aren't good at. The ACOG isn't perfect and I feel like all the R&D they've spent on other kinds of optics is just wasted energy they should have spent on improving a dated design.

Unrelated to the topic at hand, but would love a video about shooting on public land. Considerations, site selection etc

I do like the Eotech VUDU 1-6. I think it's flexible enough for making CQB hits and anything out to 3-400 yds. And the glass is plenty clear. But, yeah...eye relief can be a pain. Just gotta train with it enough to learn to have a love/hate relationship with it.

Primary Arms ACSS reticules are still my favorite.

Great review!

Thanks

Been using an Athlon Ares ETR 1-10 on my short barreled 6.5 Grendel. Works great out to 1000 yards and has a very functional reticle with an elevation turret that is actually meant to be dialed when going to serious distances. However it weighs a ton and the zero stop appears to be non-functional, at least in my hands. Contacted Athlon and their instructions were not helpful...I need to bug them again because not being able to use the zero stop is super irritating, especially considering that its not a cheap scope.

I’ve commented it before on previous videos of yours but it’s incredible how much better the VCOG 1-8 is compared to the rest of Trijicon’s lineup. Like yeah I know, it’s 2 grand so it better be better. But I love the damn thing

This is interesting because I have a credo 3-9x40 and it's crisp throughout, and has the crises image clarity at 9x. That has to be one on the nicest low power traditional scopes I've seen in a 3x9 range. Going to that from a viper was a big upgrade in my opinion, and if you disagree you're wrong.

Have the same scope but in 1-6 (credo non hx) and haven’t noticed any of the clarity/eye box issues you referenced. Maybe I just got a good one or maybe it’s more of an issue in the 1-4. I have a vortex viper pst 2-10 and I’d say the credo clarity is comparable. Both are nice in my opinion

I love the horseshoe reticle on my Victoptics S6. It'll probably fail me soon but I like the reticle.

Always pleasure Hop

I really like the Burris rt6. Real good optics. Always holds zero. Cool reticle. Owned 3 different. Burris lpvos and they've all been great.

need to get a Primary Arms 1-8 compact PLx

the 1-8 credo looks great throughout the magnification range. 34mm tube is a bit more forgiving.

I’m trying to figure out where a 1-4 fits in now that 1-8 and 1-10s are so common now.

If you ever get an opportunity, the EOTech Vudu 1-6 ffp sr1 is rad. I love the 1x power. The only down is the illumination is not bright at all.

I use the same credo on an 18" AR I built with a white oak armament barrel. I use reloaded 75 grain Hornady rounds. The thing is a tack driver.

I sold my credo 1-4x24 good scope overall. Just felt like not enough magnification.

Funny piggy back has always worked way better than i thought.

I like my Leupy vx3 1.5 x4 30mm tube at only 12 OZs yes it's not a true 1 power, but my old eyes appreciate the extra .5 magnification. even works with 2 eyes open. circle dot reticle is nice and lifetime warranty is excellent.

I got a used Burris mtac 1-4x for $250 that I've been extremely pleased with for the price. Used scope supremacy.

@9:50 Love the commentary Hop :)

I went with offset red dot instead of piggyback and that works well for me with and acog.

You rock. Nobody sends out the negative waves like you do. I enjoy your videos more than " the end is nigh" videos I usually watch. Thanks again.

Hey Hop, I think you should take a look at the Vortex Strike Chicken 1x8 FFP. Know you weren’t quite a fan of the 1x6 but I think you might actually (mostly) like the 1x8.

My LPVO has great glass, a great reticle and is FFP. But, turret adjustments are MOA while the reticle is in mils. Did not know that when I purchased it because it was in the manual. Not a deal breaker and I already bought it and mounted it. Just a little more challenging. That Trijicon though, I'd get rid of.

Hop, great vid! For my uses have no need for a BDC since my longest possible shot would be 350 yards, and found that the Accupoint 1-6x with Triangle Post and/or German #4 work perfect with a simple PBZ (46/262 yards). 🍻

C_does needs more attention. His review format is incredible.