My Final Thoughts on the Indian Motorcycle Vintage Dark Horse 

Another great vid Freddie! It’s not my type of bike however your insight and passion kept me watching. Thanks again....PS...we (your followers should crowd fund one of these for you !)

Freddie that’s a fantastic review. Brilliant channel my friend loving the vibe. Thank you.

Great honest review, love your style and passion, Monica is brilliant too, keep them coming

My take on it is as follows. Far better than a Harley; to me, Indian was always the premier American V twin cruiser. Being somewhat 'mature' in age, I don't like the modern fad of all matt black bikes. It's actually much cheaper for manufacturers of cruisers to cut down on chrome and quality paintwork. Indian's in their heyday were available in some gorgeous colours with appropriate chrome. Then, as you point out - to your credit as someone in love with the machine - there are some dubious design details, or more appropriately 'lack' of design details. My Ducati was pricey, but the attention to detail and overall quality fit and finish I rate even higher than my BMW. Whereas, frankly, Indian are taking your back teeth out for that money......and well they know it! I was stunned when you showed how there isn't even twin fuel tanks, but instead a screw on petrol cap! The instrumentation is also sub par for a £20k plus bike, as I mentioned in your first video. That wiring loom you show should also be done a lot better. Anyways, perhaps while you are making your mind up, try some more bikes out, if only to reinforce the Indian is for you......but you may yet be taken by some other exotica. MV Augusta, Triumph's Rocket 3, Ducati, Aprillia, BMW. You're young, and have time a plenty, so don't rush into this purchase is all I'm saying.

Informative and entertaining yet again, continue to keep it real Freddie 👌👍

You're a young lad. Lots of time for big cruisers. I get how hard it is walking away from a bike that you're smitten with. Hehee!

A Masterpiece Review! 100% Insightful!

Another great review. I completely agree with your negatives.

Another cracking watch. Cheers Dobbs

Wow, I just stumbled onto your channel, excellent. Well done, keep it up.👍

I owned this bike for two years and I thoroughly enjoyed. After 25,000 miles , I was offered a deal on the 2022 Harley Davidson Nightster-monthly payment $100 less and an insurance savings of $50 monthly. My Nightster only weighs 450 pounds and handles similar to my former Ducati 696 Monster. I miss the bike at times but the Nightster is a blast to ride

I saw someone mention the plug is for a battery tender. While that is something you can do with it, I'm pretty sure it was positioned there so you can easily plug in heated clothing.

I test rode the dark horse bobber from Krazy Horse a couple of months ago, and whilst i loved a lot about it, I totally agree with you Freddie about some 'after thought' parts. The main thing for me, and im not sure what they are made of, but the grips felt very plastic like and cheap, compared to what ive experienced on triumph, for a premium top end bike, just something i didnt expect. I went for a 2015 triumph thunderbird storm, absolutely loving it, at half the price

I would like to see your thoughts on a new Harley Low rider S. It's my personal bike and I love hearing a British opinion on American bikes. You did a great, honest review with this dark horse. Thanks!

Glad the after thought bits n bobs on the bike didn't take away from your overall enjoyment of it Freddie..It's an outlandish bike🤣I'd love a spin on it.

Your spot on with the negatives. The extra 'fuel' cap is a nod to the early Indians that had oil in the left side of the tank. It is a Vintage after all.

Hi Freddie really enjoyed this video of yours. I liked the details that you mentioned. Also i want to know if you have ridden Harley 48. I really love it's looks but like you mentioned concerned about it's "real cost" of owning as compared to t120. Can you throw some light on that? Also i have some recommendations/ideas which you may want to make videos on: 1. Comparing bikes of same segment or price point (specially for the new riders) 2. Customised bikes, custom bike shops around you and ofcourse their cost involved. 3. We always talk about seat height of motorcycles and if it's good for short riders or not but we never talk about people who are tall like you. So please consider that thing too and maybe make videos on the bikes that are actually comfortable for tall riders.

I've watched so many of your videos over the last week or so, all impeccable and I subscribed straight away, one minor problem, we all know you're 6'1" but when you give details on a motorbike I'd love to know your inside leg measurements, you could have a long torso and short legs, just to get a perspective please say your inside leg measurements so we can get an idea of how we can/can't flat foot a bike when at traffic lights.( im 5'10" with a 30 inside leg) I hope you get what I mean now? That said, I've been racking my brain who Monica looks like, a young Sally Field (cool btw) she's a great addition to your channel and you both are so good. Thanks for hours of entertainment and see you on your next adventure ✌️ 🤙 🤟

I reckon if you bought one of these, the heavy weight would get to you pretty soon, and you'd regret the purchase. One of my bikes is an MT-01 [do you know it?]. It is only 263 kg wet / fuelled, but it is still noticeable. This Indian is not worth 21,000 GBP base price. A Triumph Scrambler and a little car = a great idea. If I was still in London, I suppose I'd have to have a car. Rain. Another top-class video.

As the proud owner of a stunning 2019 Indian Springfield in gray and burgundy, the Vintage and Springfields are the epitome of cruiser class. Cruising heaven all day, every day. And as you said about how it makes you feel, it's hard to describe, it's just special. What's the price tag on that feeling?

I rode the Scout in Orlando back in 2016 and was underwhelmed, and this bike feels similar. It’s hard to challenge the position Harley has in this market and in the UK the US import duty adds a premium so puts the price up against the competition; was surprised you said you’d still buy one, though it’s all down to individual taste👍

I'm fairly new to your channel, so I'm bit late to this video. Any chance of you getting a ride one of the newer Dark Horse models. I love these bikes and the newer ones look even better...A bit more stripped back and significantly cheaper than the old ones. I think they start at less than £16k... which I know still isn't cheap, but it's about £2k less than the starting price of the older model.

Agree with everything you pointed out , spot on fella

The exposed frame neck looks really funky on these...like they failed at making a good looking goose neck frame.

Freddie do you think a 5.9 guy can ride easily without bending forward? , because it's long bike and is it easy to turn for a 5.9 guy

Just got this bike!

The left side “fuel cap” is keeping with the vintage theme. Old fuel tanks on these massive bikes were two fuel tanks that you filled separately. Maybe you knew that already and I’m just typing Into the internet Willy nilly. But I agree with the other cosmetic things. At that price all of those screw should be hidden and panels flush.

Try BMW R18 before pulling a trigger ;) Good show and vibes ... !

Great review and yes it has a hell of a price tag but life is short.

You can buy locks that go over the front brake lever.

Would love to see your review of the Triumph street scrambler! Can we expect that soon? 😂

Just FYI - Actually the pillion for the vintage is $359usd with studs and $309usd without studs. The Indian bike building tool doesn't show all options. You can download the accessories PDF from their website, it's complete.

What about taking Monica across America on a big V twin some day? I think maybe that’s where they make best sense.

In my opinion. This is one of the most beautiful cruisers we will ever see from Indian. Sadly,

Worth comparing with the BMW R18 Freddie, if you can get a London dealer or BMW to loan you one, can confirm the detailing is sublime and cheaper than the Indian and they’ve just issued a more touring saddle etc.

What a beast. Although for the price I really would struggle to justify it. The BMW R1250RT and BMW K1600 GT Sport offer far better value for money. That said, it is a pretty bike to see other people riding.

Hi great videos mate, I'm interested to see what you'd think of the Fat bob. 5k cheaper than that. Keep up the good work

Great channel!! Congrats!! Which gear do you use for hot weather? Thanks

You want one do ya young man you will ...as an old man of 70 , next month ... I am thinking I need to get mine before my old body gives up..One last grand gesture to a life long love affair with motorcycles. My Bro would approve and have loved to had this chance in his old age. Ride the tires off it USA , Canada.....Mexico I don't think so anymore. Camp out mostly budget riding...would love to have someone like Monica driving my Chevy Van on follow up and for rides around the camp areas exploring on the Motorcycle and lunches off near a small river with a picnic lunch...If it's just me it will be a can of beans in camp nursing a hang over...lol..time for me to get it together I think I have found a nice one...

I am really enjoying your videos! Who picks the music? Monika? I considered a Springfield but then got bored of cruising. Balanced review. Keep it up!

Forgot to add both my wife and son walked in when you were on the bike and both said 'wow it looks so cool'. Son said it looked like a horse which I suppose fits.

Beautiful bike.

to be fair, the Harley Fatboy also has the same fuel cap replication and it kind looks kool. Its like nuts, im sure one will look odd without the other and like them too, you kind get used to having it around

Great balanced review Freddie, I think delving into the costs and the negative points is even more important when you start spending this kind of money on a bike. Yes it's cool but I agree it has flaws, at this price I would expect more premium touches ie. better speedo clock, adjustable levers, heated grips, cruise control and as for Matt Black finishes? That's a no no for me, difficult to keep looking new over time. Manufacturers that back you into a corner for things like pillion seats should also go and sit on the naughty step IMHO. Indians are cool but I still think the FTR is where it's at for the best mix of value, performance, handling etc in their range, looking forward to the next upload, ride safe, Steve

I think a MARMITE moment , you either love it or hate it . Think hard Freddie , if it turns up for Xmas , you are going to live with it for a very long time , or we are going to get some very funny shaky , shaky videos , if any at all , and a lost drone . May be you should ask Monika , what she thinks ,as if she could live with it ? Thanks for the video and thoughts on the Indian , my jury is still out , as I ate to much Marmite as a kid . Stay and ride safe you two and roll on Xmas . But lets have a summer first .

I didn't think you would actually seriously consider buying one. Not really the bike for London and how long before you get fed up of having to lay down to undo the security chain. ( I suppose you could always delegate that task to Monica). Hold off until you test ride the Speedmaster. I like the Scout but would fit Ape Hangers and tall Sissy Bar however, for the same money you can have the Speedmaster with traction control and rider modes.

Would you rather take this bike/the springfield or the scout bobber twenty? I’m lost in between

I can only imagine the frustration taking the petrol cap off only to find its decorative!

Talking 2k+ over a Rocket 3GT Freddie, agree crazy money, but lovely beasts,, other thing to note re the Scout/FTR motor being that was developed for the cross Indian-Victory platform. Water cooling can also stretch out the servicing interval. My Rocket is every 10k.

On another note, put a deposit down on the 2022 Triumph Speed Twin today and am anticipating delivery in August!

What about the lean angle? I didn’t think big cruisers had much of a lean angle?

I suspect with your glorious review of the Vintage DarkHorse, They'll want to reward you 'someone's. Don't know how for sure, but I have an idea. .

Brilliant review, it’s too ugly get a road king special 😳😁👍

the difference between the oil changes is because the scout is water cooled

Forgot to say Freddie, check out Brandon Bicasso’s channel, he’s got the Chief and will be putting out a long mile test review shortly, same motor, dark finish, cheaper and proper saddle. Just a thought, ride easy..

Is the plug on the tank not a 12v out Freddie?

Has the sound gone weird on your videos or my computer....on both Indian videos....sound cutting off and on...

Good review

best shoe protector ive seen, a tampon.

wouldnt the tassels get burnt on the exhaust??

Cool vid but ooof the price tag and with the ripp off extras nooo thanks' I can't help but wonder how many people actually buy these bikes I have yet to see one in the flesh . Good ending ha : D

Where can you get these saddle bags in australia

what sucks is that their heated seats are the best looking and obviously most comfortable seats, but you pay out the ass for them. *edit* ok that faux gas cap is a huge turn off. out of all the negs you pointed out, that and the seam by the radiator are an instant turn off. The gas cap, more than anything. In fact, if I owned one, I would remove it and get that shit filled sanded and painted over.

... pity about the small touches that make it seemed unfinished ... but still badass bike.

It is gorgeous.

OMG - Insurance is expensive in the UK!! Is the high premium all down to motorcycle theft? I see you are always worried that your bike is going to be stolen. Here in Sydney insurance is less than a third of the costs you have to pay. Keep the content coming & let’s hear a little more from Monica.

Great review - the Indian is proof that taste has nothing to do with money. It’s everything that’s wrong with motorcycles.

It's true Indians are not cheap..i've owned a Vintage n a Roadmaster..accesorries pricey too!!..but what I can say they are well made..Ride Safe!! 😀

I had been considering either a Harley Davidson Fat Boy or a Indian Dark Chief (both are beautiful looking motorcycles), but simply could not justify the money. In the end I opted for a Triumph Rocket 3 Roadster which cost me £9.5k, spent £2k on upgrades (new exhaust; headers and silencer, K&N's on the throttle bodies and a custom dyno tune) and now it kicks out 160 rwhp and 160 rw torque, miles above the numbers of both of those aforementioned bikes. The bike is frankly mental, it accelerates like a sports bike.

Nice 👍🙂

And be good if Indian loaned you a Dark Chief, which I think is a better compromise between Scout and Vintage

Hm, that´s one gripe regarding many bikes! To be more or less forced to upgrade stuff like suspension, exhaust, or the seat just to make the bike rideable. One could presume that paying high money those things should be ironed out, like when buying a car. The accessories are their lively hood. It is what it is i recon... Beautiful bike, minus the tassels :) and that wiring. Big and unwieldly, but it IS American. A welcome pause from all those Harleys. Great video again, keep up the good work!

The short comings of the bike would put me off, especially the price. Do look at some of the Harley's before making the plunge, particularly the Road King Special. Thanks for a great review.

You should test ride the Bonneville Bobber! I just got the 2018 bobber black and it’s one of the most unique and slick bikes on the market.

I take IT Monika said NO and your walking of in a HUFF , OH THE POWER OF A YOUNG LADY . LOL .

I guess you might as well forget about the roadmaster that's a 10 feet long bike

Definitely needs a toe-heel shifter’ no shoe scuffs..

I think the same way 😂 I check the price to what else I could buy.

Get the sen a Triumph modern classlc you know it makes sense.

God bless the world, just buy and ride.

Personally i would buy a BMW R18 for that amount. Just looks much better.

Freddie, the socket thing is a plug-in for a battery tender I think? Start a "Go fund me" page. If someone can get thousands because their child cried, I reckon you've a decent chance of owning this motorcycle very soon ;-)

Certainly a marmite machine. Love the engine look but the rest looks a bit like a Ford Sierra plastic makeover. Just my view 🙂

How tall are you?

Why are you locking your bike with a chain if you’re that worried get electronic security system?

Why don't you just buy the Indian chieftain don't add anything comes in about the same price with more accessories. Also sounds like you just nit picked the bike.

American cars are as wide as that Fiat is long. Now I see why you dont just park in perpendicular to the road like we do in the states. Which is a shame, because doing it that way means you are almost guaranteed parking wherever you go

Bwahaaaaas... those shoe protectors!!! Dude, you can’t criticise Indian for a few rough unfinished touches and then say hey look at my shoe protectors 🤦🏼‍♂️🤣🤣

Man, I have a wife if I want reason and above average decision making, I've got to keep my eye on you!! LOL I want one. I don't need one, and thats entirely too much money to spend on anything that doesn't make you enough money to cover some costs, much less something I'd ride part time. Ok, I'll say goodbye, too, have you looked at a Speedmaster,?? I'll go check your playlist.

I'd stick to the Bonnie.

Gosh it’s huge?

I liked your gloves.

I took one of these out luved it , looks power the lot....but stupid money,your comparison is not that good ,Harley or honda would of been better

Just got a brand new chieftain and the insurance fully comp is less than £400 , £1500 is taking the urine out 😂

Nobody’s nicking that thing it would be impossible to sell such a niche market.

Throw a chain through the wheel like a bicycle? No no. Lock the forks my man. It comes with the key and hardware.

What are the odds the motorcycle gods give you a new Royal Enfield to review?

Is it just me who thinks the front end especially looks really plasticky?

The finish is way off the quality of Harley but the price is up there. And the Americans and the accessory catalogue are even worse than BMW.

*If we're going to compare a Triumph with that particular Indian, it has to be a Speedmaster or a Rocket. Their cruisers.* And if you're looking at Hyundai, blink twice to let us know someone has a gun to your head.