My First Battery Swap NIO ES8 in Norway (Drammen) during EVS35 

@@petervrana9625 I'll assume what you say is true. what's the breakeven point? how many fill ups vs charging with clean energy?

This is the dumbest idea ever. Lmao.

Oh no not the _dirty, grimey gas pumps_

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@@petervrana9625 According to you, they created the solid battery. No lithium, smaller batteries.

That didnt age well, $NIO 😂

Does NIO have battery replacement service in Tibet Plateau of China?

In current situation and political climate, I reckon standardization of EV batteries could only happen within China due to its sheer volume of population. It's just sad to see how many things are made not possible due to unnecessary differences in ideologies.

I say when range increases with next battery technology you don't need CCS chargers at all you can rely for home charger.

@@mr.wizeguy8995 yeah that's true, but also quick swap compliment batterys would make for fast easy maintenance and resource management, like if every phone had a standard battery i bet we would solve 40% of phone malfunction problems, yeah i know this ins't going to happen but still would make everything easier.

@@mr.wizeguy8995 One advantage of the battery swap feature is future maintenance proof. I saw the news before that a Tesla owner says he’s been locked out of his car due to the dead battery until he pays $26,000 for a new battery

there are video cameras, like in a normal gas station

The front door will be closed with no car inside

in the US, thieves are stealing the copper from the cables.

@@randomname931 really?

In my country, we will drag the battery like Fast and furious did

how many kilometers you ride per year?

@@electricfelix about 20000km

Are you a bot? lol

@@EATROPICAL no he has a brain

indeed!!

But tbh battery swap is more needed in main/interstate highways - not major cities. In cities (commuting), we are expecting home or office charging. So far commuting is feasible with electric vehicle. Much easier too since no longer need to make a trip to fueling station. The issue is when need to do longer trip.

It was an accident.. twitter.com/electricfelix/status/1577356388719796224?s=46&t=1vWNhPWsG1HChT__Ow2Sew

120 stations are promised for EU 2023..

thanks....

My guess the limitation is less to do with fast chargers, and more with the grid -- few grids would tolerate super-heavy electricity equipment that randomly kicks in and out -- a huge drain for the grid.

@@davecai999 Is it true the swap station needs 550 kW power?

@@abraxastulammo9940 550KW seems to be reasonable -- a typical mid-size fast charging station with 8 DC chargers, would need 8*90=720KW. Swapping stations may need less as the algorithm could arrange so that the power output could be optimized.

See you somewhere!

As far as I know, the first five are not online yet: twitter.com/NickGibbs/status/1390223541392613376?s=20

1. The swap stations are fully tested in China for millions of swaps, stuck is rare to happen. 2. there are self-inspections for each swap, batteries with poor condition will be out of this cycle. .3. Since this is just a swap not a pick-up, the battery will be available all the time, of course , if many cars swap at the time, driver may need to wait until the batteries inside the swap station are charged again.

YET!

Because it endangers the national security of the United States and the technology is stolen from the United States. So....

Tesla already showcased this idea a few years ago. They didn't deploy this battery swap to the public due to concerns with higher wear to the stations. Generally not the best solution for large scale EV fleet since eventually you'll run out of fully charged battery, and also people returning damaged battery pack back to the station.(maintain cost was also higher than the EV charging station)

Even Tesla is facing issues with broken chargers and vandalism. Imagine having a station, practically begging for troubles.

@@christopherwang7460 "few years ago" = nearly 10 years ago

Xpeng is also launching in Europe this winter, P7 in some countries. No idea if/when the G9 might come over here with 400kW+ charging ;-)

Xpeng is in norway and has been for a couple years i think with the g3 and the p7 came not too long ago.

The chargers could certainly be improved. I like that there is only one place to authenticate for all the chargers.

Indeed the swap station is NOT open 24/7! But you can always fast charge next to the station..

In this case I expect the NIO app to show price of charging. All chargers have their own tariff, the MER ones and the Tesla charger shown in the video all offer their own pricing.

Well aware! twitter.com/electricfelix/status/1582001300836786176?s=20&t=k44xM0qickFiGWDlMaf6Dw

That would be a strange comparison since NIO charges the "swap" battery to 90% (as you can see in the video)

@@electricfelix I just want to know the efficiency of current "slow-charge". I guess they could just add more charge station for places with high traffic too.

@@FuzzyAason In EU 11 kW is normal for AC charging, so 7 h most regular vehicles can be full. And since most are parked between 6PM and 7AM anyway ;-)

@@electricfelix As an investor of Nio.. I hope battery swapping is a thing of the future. There will be too many assets that will need "maintenance coverage" for so many chargers when there is a lot of EV. Perhaps self-driving car will one day be allowed to drive themselves to do battery swap when you are working or sleeping xD hahaha

U got 4 or 6 free charges in 1 month

this tech still will be relevant because general battery size will also be bigger, and the potential use for electric public vehicles

Vast majority of public chargers are only 22kw charging. Also the very fast chargers are so much more expensive I deliberately don't use them in the UK. I think this idea that we are all going to be having super fast charging is many decades away.

When i get my EV i can rely 95% for home charging so rarely need CCS charger at all. Most likely i could charge 11 kW at home but a bit safe to go 9 kW so won't burn fuses. Which means 77 kW battery fully charges under 9 hours. So i claim majority of people doesn't need battery swaps or much CCS at all.

Battery swat can upgrade to newer or more power battery that fast charging can’t.

When you buy a used EV, the battery age is a major factor in the price, battery swap negates that issue. Nio maintains the batteries.

Agreed, I would love to see people winter testing this!

I get your point, but I don't think it should ever disable the brake pedal!! Maybe the drive pedal.

They dont just in case if any accidents happend, the driver still can taking control.

no, its your car.

maybe they think the drivers should have full control of their cars at ANY time and be responsible for their actions

While that is a good question, right now if you want to use the swap service, you have to be signed up for the BaaS system: you pay a monthly fee for a certain amount of swaps included.

NIO says 2025 USA..

I don’t think it will work as it’s a China product

I'm in North America and I'm waiting for the NIO too!!

@@user-li7ye6ds5i Chinese electric cars are superb.

@@electricfelix waiting for NIO. Tesla's price is not reasonable.

Too easy, EV much cheaper and petrol long term will definitely go up in price (tax).

#PublicSuperchargingInEurope is available in 14 countries (including countries like Iceland and Luxembourg). And anyone with a CCS port can access it using the Tesla app. I will test NIO at the Supercharger when I get the chance. Swapping is only possible for people who take a "BaaS monthly payment" on their battery. Through which as far as I understand it, you're not the owner of the battery so not many claims you could make. Resale value nearly impossible to predict. Will swapping take off, is the 150 kWh battery going to arrive and when? #neveradullmoment!

Thats a wide road for norwegian standards.

No, when we got out the process was not paused, and IMMEDIATELY after getting out, the process started (the floor opened) so this is incorrect.

the same as gas stations

In Norway you can purchase the vehicle, and then you get a "BaaS" (Battery as a Service) subscription. I think it includes two swaps per month, more and you pay extra. Soon it will be offered in Netherlands, Germany and hopefully I can test more and tell you more!

one day!

Right now NIO offers vehicles on a "car subscription" (anywhere between 1200/month and 1700/month in Germany depending on flexibility of the contract) - within the subscription I think two swaps a month are "included".

@@electricfelix 1200 Euro a month? That's too much

@@michaelz5497 Just Nio's saying of "Interest-free installment"

@@michaelz5497 that is car subscription, not battery

Lovely ;-)

Right now 75 kWh is the minimum and 100 kWh the maximum. But ready for more of course ;-) #futureproof

First two stations in Germany are online... Hope to test them as well ;-)

Clearly, we're not in 2012 anymore ;=) The games have just begun !

@@electricfelix It failed in Israel because of corporate greed (and a very bad electric car to add to the insult). These facilities cost alot to build and maintain, you need an industry wide standard to make it work and be scalable and thats never gonna happen, in the end of this experiment there will be a few hundred/thousands early adopters stuck with a single model, no swapping stations and a car thats hard to re-sell.

@@assafweiss8078 Only time will tell. But you've been there, Israel was at the forefront back then! #alwaysbeswapping?! has a lot of questions!

@@electricfelix Better place basically chained their customers to be using solely better place infrastructure. Not only by using the swapping stations, but also by trying to monopolize the charging process and force their customers to charge at home using only better place managed charging stations which came with a nice fee (they even tried to "standardize" the Israeli automotive charging cables and connectors to aid them with monopolizing charging in Israel which made alot of people very angry...) To add to all that, the car only did about 150 Km per charge and was pretty useless to inter-city travel. Nevertheless, I don't think that corporate greed was the main cause for its failure. While the swapping concept is a good concept (one of the main advantages in my point of view is that you dont "own" the battery which is the main component that devalues the car in time), lack of standardization and the cost of maintenance and infrastructure will take this idea down (again, the same way it took Better place down and the same way Tesla gave up on that idea).

Since I was shooting "documentary style" (one take, and we had no spare time at all, with a ferry to catch pretty far away) there was nothing staged at all. twitter.com/electricfelix/status/1577356388719796224?s=20&t=R1SoJ-HYcu00QbT6-9r-iQ

看财报就知道没你想的那么高，而且成本还在不断下降

@@Mike-ic1ur 怎么说，长期看好，想买股票，现在15，估计年底会到10

跟加油站差不多，歐美城市規模不大，並不需要太多。

@@bearli1298 还是看好BYD吧，那个找低位进就行了！稳稳的赚~

@@user-jj6mx3tc1g 为什么?

It's a full documentary, as always.

This ZOE proves that fair might not be so realistic ;-) twitter.com/advandermeer/status/1581649564456476673?s=20&t=GafHMbQXG2c0y3xFzTiP2Q

That's a misunderstanding: twitter.com/electricfelix/status/1577356388719796224?s=20&t=kyaDISDYmkZElvZHFh9eSA

think the other way. 😂. Or just image 5 years later you can replace it with a double capacity battery but in the same size

Here in China, NO give you two options. You can buy the car with a battery or you can buy the car without the battery and rent the battery.

where?

@Samir Dončić you get an eight year warranty on batteries exceeding most people ownership. And second of all, I wouldn’t buy a Chinese car if it was the only EV manufacturer in the world. A nation notorious of counterfeiting ripping off Patton stealing, hacking into companies stealing their databases and downloading designs and research saving them money only to implement in to their inferior version.

What makes you say that?

Logic is wrong. Market will tell, not your emotion, your world view, or ideology. The best survives as simple as that.

The thing is Chinese car makers will copy what Tesla is doing, and they will tell the world they invented it. Chinese labors are incredibly cheap, thus lowering the cost of pretty much everything in the manufacture. Sure, they make EV with afordable price, but the biggest concern is that all companies in China are pretty much owned by CCP, which they will always do something sneaky to any electronics to compromise your security and personal data. They are almost perfect, the only issues are their abysmal culture and government...

​@@christopherwang7460 LOL is it... I dont think so at all. It will have more headwinds but eventually technology matters. Wanna bet in 10 years Chinese car manufacturer will be one of the dominant most innovative entities in the world, regardless of their political system or whatever u see in your mind

funny fact：200 years ago, the emperors of China Have the same idea🤣 ，keep it bro，love form china♥