My FIRST IMPRESSIONS of the Badges in the Thousand Year Door Remake! (Tier List) 

Was nerfed in remake due to projectile damage but ye

@@trunguss But it technically also got a buff since now you don't pause after bumping enemies and killing them, you just keep going.

5 BP is not worth it.

​@@Christoph8 Why would you need to use BP for anything but Yoshicular manslaughter, it's not like Speedy Spin's in the game

Not really you can take power pluse badge when it just going back to weak emeny and put it back on when you at harder part

Fair point! I normally don’t rank badges like First Attack because there’s no real “combat” use; it’s only good in the overworld, so I tried to rank it based on that and the 0 BP cost really helps boost it up. LOL

convenience and being free does help though

Quick Change I will turn off ..... To replace with Bump Attack. Don't need to quick change partners if you're never in combat!

Good bait

It's not bait; it's real LOL

@@fireman6986 As Kappy said, it's real.

Ms Mowz coming in clutch helping me find it because I new that rooftop was suspicious (even though there wasn’t anything in the original unless the ultra shroom was also there but I don’t remember)

So is ice power (or whatever let's you jump on fire enemies)

@@philosophyandhappiness2001 thankfully, you can get it before really facing any fire enemies unlike Spike Shield which feels like you get it so late

@@philosophyandhappiness2001 Sadly, Fire enemies are pretty rare.

Yeah, if we were considering Jumpman and Hammerman runs, Spike Shield (and probably Hammer Throw too) would be higher. Also, side note, can we just take a second to appreciate how much depth Hammerman and Jumpman add in a casual playthrough? They have a really cool dynamic of both a big positive and a big negative - You do even more damage, but are also forced to rely on things other than just Mario's attacks a lot more

As a Spike Shield + Jumpman main, I can confirm that Spike Shield almost completely negates the weakness of Jumpman and makes battles with spiky enemies go by way easier, especially in the pit. Kappy did it dirty with that E ranking. Without Spike Shield, you're just half a Jumpman

This is the way

The head rattle and partner hp meta

Literally, like, not even 24 hrs after this stream you found that and I was like "...WELP" LOL Dunno if it'll change its position, but it might!

I'd argue it's effective for some Stage Hazards IF they occur. Could prevent a slippery slope of using resources to cure negative effects ASAP. Super niche and situational badge you get WAYYY too late in game. Plus you could just end the battle as quickly as possible, lol

At least ONE badge was buffed

Especially considering you get Hammer Throw later in the game. Earliest I think is Chapter 4. I am genuinely puzzled why they decided to nerf it or thought this change was a good idea (it wasn't).

They probably realized it’d make piercing blow obsolete. But I’m like, just increase the BP at that point. Piercing defense is cool and all, but not a lot of enemies have a lot of defense and for the ones that do - just buff your attack and it’s GG.

@@dbpages6327 I dropped the hammer throw as soon as I saw the damage. I'd rather take fire drive, piercing blow and spike stomp since those are much better at the job with more benefits like rendering those flying spike beetles useless and slapping chain chomps

@@tysonvienneau1830 yeah, same. They did hammer throw dirty. R.I.P.

It's like with Sleepy Stomp. beforehand if you were able to get an enemy to fall asleep, there was always a high chance they would wake back up if you used another attack or attack item on them. In the remake I don't think they can wake back up that way until the duration ends. I was actually able to defeat Macho Grubba this way, used Sleepy Stomp and took out most of his HP while he was asleep.

@@kingcrimson2643That’s why I had to ban Sleepy Stomp in my run. It was trivializing every fight because of the massive buff the Sleep status got.

I mean I don't blame them since all I've seen people say about it in the original is: "Why use this when Quake Hammer exists?" But for some reason people suddenly act like they actually cared about it beforehand. It's like how Space Jam was barely known before the sequel was announced, which only then did people act like the first movie was a hidden classic and not a glorified shoe commercial.

@@AkameGaKillfan777 What? People loved Space Jam before the sequel. You must have been in a bubble.

@@imjustalittleqwerty I didn't even know the movie existed until my friends told me about it years ago. The Looney Tunes movies and Who Framed Roger Rabbit are FAR more memorable.

its a free w every battle

Wait a minute... LOL

I can hear Wario Laughing already

the buff to W emblem giving you new dialogue in chapter 4 makes it S+ tier now

They overestimated how much of a buff it would be to make it pierce and thought it needed to come with another nerf to balance that out

I agree although the new songs are also really good

​@@loganmiller7827 They buffed it to be a perfect badge for the early game for muscling through Bristles, but then forgot it was late in the game and didn't move it.

No it’s F tier because it makes the music worse

@@poochycosme The new songs aren't removed by Nostalgia Tunes, so no problem !

Yeah, I did that with the Smorg boss, Charged Goombella turn 1, then boosted with star, got Vivian to destroy arms, then changed to Goombella still with charge.

Danger strats work too with the dodges. I have a bunch of close call, lucky day, pretty lucky, and last stand badges on as well. I never take damage even on the rare occasion I actually get hit😂 Edit: and with the power rushes? Just 10 and you're dealing stupid damage

Quick change is the first thing I thought of when seeing S tier. Ttyd becomes an entirely different game when you do that. Your options expand so much. I can see it being a bit less useful when you've got the game as optimized for peril as Kappy, but even then it feels like it could only drop to the bottom of S. Best badge in the game for sure, well worth the 7 bp.

Yeah I was gonna say Quick Change was the primary placement I disagreed with. Until Danger Mario reaches oneshot territory the badge is beyond godlike for getting value on additional turns and that's something that helps literally any playthrough immensely in practice. If he's going to rank partner defense that low, Quick Change needs to be S tier.

While I love Quick Change and used it a lot, I actually think Quick Change is "Nerfed" in this game for one reason, they made running away EVEN EASIER One of the main uses Quick Change has is to allow you to just go into a fight with whatever partner and be fine, not having it on means you need to run away, switch a partner, and come back. And in the remake running is even easier so it's less of a scare against strong enemies. Ad that long with 7 BP which allows you to put on basically anything else, and yeah I'd say Quick Change isn't exactly S, it was already debated before, now even more.

I'm well aware of all the exploits Quick Change has, but once you learn to route HP/FP against bosses and know how to quickly and efficiently beat normal battles, it becomes entirely unnecessary unless you're *really* trying to make a strategy that utilizes it. Even then, it's probably not gonna be as optimal as a strategy that just doesn't use it. The only real "keep a partner in Peril" use it has is for Pre-Hooktail Pit, but that got nerfed because all partners heal on level up and partners heal into peril at the end of battle when KO'd. Still good, and definitely good for Bonetail, but not as good as it used to be. You can destroy bosses with as little as 2 BP in this game with *just* Mega Rush P and Power Rush P (literally just one copy of each). There's no world where Quick Change ever comes close to that level of power. Quick Change boils down to this: "oh, I didn't bring the right partner to this fight. Now I either A) don't need to lose a half turn, or B) I don't need to run away to swap my partner and restart the fight". I used it so I could do Tattles faster because I like to move around the overworld with Yoshi, and I was only doing that for 100%. Otherwise, I basically never used it and was just fine with 10 HP and 5-15 FP depending on if I had FP Plusses equipped. Sorry fam, it's not as good as you think LOL I will say that it's definitely better for first-time playthroughs, but I still don't think it's *absolutely* insane. Maybe high B or low A in that case.

@Kappy0 Or you can, ya know, super guard everything. Taking damage is just a matter of "Oh I didn't hit the button at the right time", and as long as you can keep up the timing, there is literally no need to think about your own damage output. If we're talking "optimal plays", literally nothing *actually* matters because *optimally* it's impossible to lose anyways. Most people (and especially the game's actual target audience) however choose to play the game *normally* and do come across situations like bumping into an encounter they want to scan with Goombella right after solving a puzzle that required someone else's ability quite frequently. So even though it may be useless for your purposes specifically, but to the vast majority of players, Quick Change is a massive game changer more so than any other badge in the game. But that's the beauty of old Paper Mario, isn't it? If you want to maximize damage and destroy every boss in one turn, you can do that. If you're a kid who wants to try out what every single badge does, you can do that too. One player's trash is another player's treasure.

And the 2 Power Plus P badges that drop during chapter 8 because my luck is cartoonish.

​@@CR1MSONACEfeel that, first playthrough of the game and in chapter 8 i had 2 wizzerds wear power plus P back to back. Yoinked them with ms mowz

@@regretinglifechoices5519 It gets better, I've just started a new save file and in Hooktail's castle 2 paratroopas have held power rush badges. (Neither of them dropped though)

The devs had something against Hammer Throw, I tell ya...

The funny thing is that if you can stack it, the new one isn't really notably worse than the original. But actually *getting* more than one before the end of chapter 6 is an exceptionally tedious grind. I really want to know why buying Hammer Throw at the Piano Parlor was progress gated to post chapter 6 when it's been one of the shittiest attacking badges since its conception lol

Not necessarily. 4 hits can be more than enough to take care of bosses, especially if combined with Rally Wink. Let's put it this way: Ground Pound always has -2 ATK to Power Bounce/Multibonk, right? That means you need to be at 9 ATK for Ground Pound to deal more damage. (9+8+7+6+5+4 = 39 | 11+10+9+8=38). That's a 1 damage difference at 9 ATK! Once you reach 9+ ATK, Ground Pound starts out-damage Power Bounce, Multibonk. Factor in DEF on late-game bosses, and quickly you can see Power Bounce/Multibonk pull ahead sometimes. Now, I think Ground Pound > Multibonk in the remake, but Rally Wink keeps Power Bounce clearly in S-Tier because of the ability to hit twice in a single turn. Also, keep in mind that this is *just* for 4 bounces. I've seen a lot of players get pretty good at Power Bounce/Multibonk, and the more of those you can land, the worse Ground Pound becomes in comparison. Also, just to further drive this point home, but Mini-Egg actually out-damages Ground Pound between 2-7 ATK (7+6+5+4+3+2 = 27 ATK | 7x4 = 28 ATK), so it's not even Yoshi's best option until you start skyrocketing ATK. Easy enough with Mega Rush P and Power Rush P, but still something to consider LOL

I ran 2 Flower Savers for 1 FP power bounces; as probably unnecessary as it was to do so, dealing so much damage in 1 turn with just 1 FP felt super satisfying.

Charge combined with Power Bounce can completely obliterate bosses

In a Hammerman I get it, esp if you don't use Special Moves or items, but if you are using Special Moves, Earth Tremor is BIG competition LOL

@Kappy0 Oh yeah, earth tremor was my only option at the time! Overall though I'm okay with the tradeoff, they made hammer throw have a very intended purpose rather than the general use it was originally. It's hard to find that general use when you're competing with quake hammer and fire drive though

Legit the only time I've ever used Hammer Throw is for the stupid spine parabuzzies when I don't wanna use Earth Tremor. Those little guys suck so much.

​@@dragnjames2190was thinking the same... along with flurrie lip lock

This list wasn't made specifically for casual playthroughs LOL It factors in general use as far as how I play the game + challenge running.

@@Kappy0 yeah that makes sense, I must have missed the part where you explained that.

Speaking of things being obsolete-and I'm just gonna confine this to a reply because it really didn't need to be part of the main comment, and is unpopular/"No one asked" enough of a take to not warrant its own regular comment-with my experience through TTYD being completely casual, my thoughts on Jumpman and Hammerman are similar to my thoughts to Choice items in Pokemon They blow. Both of 'em. I dunno dude, the whole "Jump's the best" this and that thing just seems really dumb to me I know the way attack boosts scale on jumps and all, a +1 is more like an effective +2 because it hits twice while hammers only get +1 despite each hammer upgrade having a base +2 But likewise enemy defense spikes jumps out of the sky because, in a similar vein, 1 point of enemy defense is -2 for jump, and jump just cannot get around that since ol' D-Down Jump didn't stick around like D-Down Pound did The way I see it, both options exist together for a reason, even with how overly restricted hammer's been since 64 for, let's be real, absolutely no goddamn reason Hopefully if one of the next games is like 64 and TTYD again, hammer can finally ditch that "Front-line only" restriction Not hitting flying enemies is enough of a restriction as it is, the M&L series made that pretty clear Speaking of ol' D-Down Pound/Piercing Blow, I feel like it and Power Smash are pretty interchangeable for the most part They have the same FP cost, just mostly boils down to enemy defense At 0-1 def, Power Smash is the one to use, no question 2 def, either or works, it makes no difference But for 3 onwards, Piercing Blow reigns supreme, and the only thing stopping PB from just being overall better is that enemies with defense that high are infrequent, the majority of enemies and bosses tend to just have a range of 0-2

I always tattle, seeing defense stats is nice rather than wasting a turn to find that out, and tattle check made it easier for me to see defense if its been awhile since I seen an enemy in the pit of 100 trials, also as a Casual I really liked Jump Man for the Pit of 100 trials, especially since I used Spike Shield and Ice Power with Power Plus

Yeah, love making Multibounce essentially free to use :)

@@Kappy0 that and spin jump! I know stacking attack is the name of the game, but my favorite way of playing is to just have as many attacks as possible, available, and cheap so that I can use em as much as I want

Unfortunately, Simplifier no longer helps with Power Bounce. It doesn’t fix the 1 frame 4th bounce which really sucks LOL Star Power Regen was also nerfed, so Simplifier makes it even worse, now.

Hammer still had no real use in the original game outside of quake hammer utility (or rather power quake utility.) It giving you the hammer upgrades earlier than the boots really didn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

For PHP, I recommend Power Plus, Power Plus P, or Quick Change + Flower Finder/Item Hog from Dazzle!

I'd use Mega Rush over Power Plus. 6bp is steep

Same i like the game harder If i wanted to just crush anything on My way with no challenge id just play a platformer Mario game Still remember when i used double pain and angered beldam in chapter 2 .... that did not end well ( marylin had charged twice ) vivian did 4 damage to both characters beldam also did 4 ... Marilyn did 12 .....( As you might assume i died

Yeah, def undersold Sleep a little. LOL. When I re-do this list in a few months it’ll definitely be higher.

If you're stacking Power Rushes and KO'ing everything in one hit, does evasion *really* matter??

@@Kappy0 not all bosses die in one turn, and sometimes you don't have enough power rushes to use all your bp, 2 close calls reduce your chances of being hit to 55%, not a big deal if you have life mushrooms but it can save you

@@Kappy0no, but if you only have 1 power rush, it's very useful and even if you don't do any low hp strat, it can easily save you and it's only 1 bp so it's not unlikely that you have bp to fill Definitely not S or A or even B though, I think C

The parlor has infinite rushes post chapter 6, where the real moments begin. Yeh, OHKOing the toughest like Bonetail too makes close call irrelevant...

​@@RockStoneLee19you can get infinite close calls chapter 1 from the goombas right outside petalburg though, and you can make your evasion go insane If you dont wanna farm that much (25%/33% drop on hold) you can get infinite after chapter 4 with mowz All danger badges are broke

No, it's always been +2. Even back in 64 it was +2

There aren't any Spiky Parabuzzies in Chapter 4 (they are in Chapter 6, though!), only Spike Tops, which can be dealt with by using Quake Hammer (and has the added benefit of targeting everything else on the ground). You could also just use Earth Tremor LOL

@@Kappy0oh I must be misremembering the well enemies. I do still imagine the spike tops are the reason Hammer Throw was placed in that area though. Lower BP cost than quake hammer i suppose

It has some very niche use if you stack it in the mid game now at least, the problem is that getting a second one to stack before you're passed the midgame is obnoxious (1/300 drop from Swoopers, baby!) If stacked, it could have some very niche Pit use to defense pierce high defense enemies at the backline, which is more than one can say about the original, I guess. It still falls into the same core problems as the original where literally every situation you might want to consider it there's just a straight-up better option (even in Hammerman runs.) This badge always felt like a badge that should have been obtained in the prologue, where it *might* have had some short-lived functionality. Instead, it was mid game after its usefulness had passed and the inability to easily obtain more via the Pianta Parlor until after chapter 6 just shits on it.

Or good against early game Bristles. Except they forgot the badge isn't in the beginning of the game

If you're stacking Power Rushes to the point where you're dealing 30-50+ dmg with one hit of Jump (60-100+ dmg with both hits of Jump), you don't need Close Call or Last Stand at all LOL

Charlieton doesn’t appear until after Chapter 1 LOL Still really early, though!

@@Kappy0 you're right thats my fault. BUT with that badge i was still able to get to 80 on the pit. A personal best being that early in the game

It does, but its base damage was reduced to 2 and ignores Hammer Upgrades, so even with the Ultra Hammer it'll deal...2 damage. You have to equip badges like Power Plus to increase its ATK. It's much worse than Hero Mode's Piercing Throw LOL

@@Kappy0 pfffff what why? Why lower it's damage? XD do they hate HammerMan?

The badge used to have zero actual use, and now it has a few new niches, I guess? They probably handed its damage like quake hammer because otherwise, it's just a better Piercing Blow. But this badge has always been garbage it really should be something you get in the prologue instead of halfway through the game where it no longer has any use.

Wouldn't be a bad idea LOL Maybe I'll make that a sub goal in the future!

I do LOL

Good thing I don't advocate for Danger Mario, then LOL This list is perfectly serviceable for first-time players -- stacking ATK is very powerful and is a solid choice for, well...anyone, IMO. It won't be as good as a list specifically catered to first-time players, but you can definitely still get good value out of it.

Sorry, I referred to Ice Power as Ice Man earlier lol, I forget the names of some of this stuff lol

Damage Dodge did NOT reduce piercing damage in the original. LOL

@@Kappy0 Thanks for clarification! I had a feeling.

I'm surprised you didn't notice the window of bounce number 4

@@WhirlyBeepBoops Wait, that's a thing?

Yeah, they made that specific bounce frame perfect

About that unlike the SNES mario RPG when I played the original 1000 year door I failed to do a 2nd Multi Bonk/Power Pounce hit single target boss fights 100% of the time.

It's honesty strange to see how the frame perfect bounce is actually extremely easy compared to most frame perfects things I know of for some reason

*factually right fixed it for ya LOL

@@Kappy0 Partially in jest, but I do really like it. It's not meant to be looked at in a vacuum, but when used alongside other danger badges like Last Stand (which you like and also said is chance-based).

@@robosuit Last Stand isn’t chance-based, but if I did say it was, that’s my bad LOL

@@Kappy0 Chance-based probably wasn't the best word choice on my end, as it always reduces damage taken when active, but "Sometimes you can take a couple hits and you won't die because of Last Stand." Which is true. And is also true of Close Call. Sometimes you won't die.

​@robosuit the difference is that you have to rely on luck with Close Call but not with Last Stand, that's one of the things that makes Last Stand better.

Yup, Jump is just crazy strong compared to Hammer LOL

No wonder Mario needed an entire Pixl in SPM to do basic hammering.

When I tier badges, I'm not usually placing a ton of weight on "fun factor"; I'm tiering them on usefulness LOL Power Bounce, even with only 4 bounces, is still S Tier, especially since Rally Wink still exists. Surprised you're so against Mega Rush and not Power Rush, which is what I'd think most players use to actively destroy all challenge the game has to offer with Danger Mario. LOL

@@Kappy0 I have mixed feelings on Power Rush, I’m more okay with using it and the danger requirement is actually plausible in battle. With Mega Rush, at least for me is niche in the sense that I’m never in Peril and it’s difficult to actually get to peril without doing the fish thing or just letting an early game enemy hit you a bunch. This is my personal opinion on the game and I mentioned that I knew it was because how good they were and the whole Mega Rush opinion is kinda just my personal experience with it. I still stick by what I said about Mega Rush being boring to use, but I do want to acknowledge that Power Rush is what I actually like in that type of badge. My boyfriend played TTYD for the first time when the remake came out and even at his beginner level the Power Rush and Mega Rush badges just made him OP. Also as a final note, I never used Rally Wink until the remake. I’ve played TTYD for almost 20 years and I kinda just evaded it. So I’ve just been out of the loop on certain strategies. I also don’t play TTYD for intense strategies or to just bust down everything and everyone, I play it to have fun which I think everyone should strive for. Again all of this is just my opinion.

No one’s ever obligated to follow any tier list LOL People can (and should) use whatever badges they want! I just like talking about this game and offering a veteran’s perspective.

Wait it doesn’t…? So all those times I superguarded the Super Boss was all done because of my inherent skill as a player?

It does, you just need 2 equipped LOL

Having more attacks doesn't make the game easier when you can minmax around Multibounce which even with Spike Shield equipped is very cost efficient in terms of both BP and FP.

For sure LOL My priorities are quickly and efficiently winning battles, so this list definitely reflects that.

​@@A2ZOMG it doesn't seem like the game being easy is a priority for this guy. It even seems like it being easy is a negative for him.

​@@miyamotomusashi6450It's almost like he's trying do some kind of challenge runs. Have you heard of them?

@@AkameGaKillfan777 Oh I'm not doing a challenge run. This is my very first playthrough of TTYD ever, so it's very casual. I just like having a lot of variety in attacks so it never feels boring. And I'm also making sure my stats feel balanced with the game.

Your chance of getting hit with a first strike is zero if you equip Chill Out.

and that still leaves the other 3 sources of game over

I don't see how this makes Power Rush better.

1. threat of instant gameover and +5 attack, vs low hp and +2 attack 2. Availability; it takes a long time of farming hammer bros to get another mega rush, whereas it is 102 coins at the parlor and as many as desired can be purchased

@@setk1189 1. duplicates should not be taken into account when tiering badges as you can theoretically get an infinite amount of most badges. 2. You also don't need to worry about an instant game over when you have Shell Shield or Boo's sheets. 3. Danger Mario is lame and not an optimal way to play at all, it requires way too much BP which requires being at a high level, optimisation is way more than just how fast you can kill everything.

If you think offense being better than evasion/defense is "terrible take" material for Paper Mario TTYD then I dunno what t'tell ya LOL

@@Kappy0 no offense is absolutely priority one but a stacking 33% chance to dodge all damage when staying in peril is massive. Defense is whatever but taking no damage when you're trying to stay at 1 hp to maximize damage is a pretty critical ability to tack on, surely better than freaking double dip. You shouldn't even need items if you're effectively using badges

​@@Kappy0 the FP plus and HP plus badges are absolutely worthless when they cost the same as a levels worth of investment. Double damage is an absolute waste of space all it accomplished is quicker set up which is virtually nothing if you're playing effectively. Like you have so many bottom tier badges at the upper half it's ridiculous. Like yes they have use for playing for fun or whatever but if you're trying to rank these based on how good they are half your list is completely out of whack

​@@Kappy0 You have attack badges like fire drive high up but dunk on quake hammer and spike shield which open up enemies making them unable to function entirely and allow for even more effective multi hit attacks. Multibounce +spike shield is infinitely more useful than fire drive

@@thedizzytuna It's not a critical ability when you lay waste to everything once you're in Peril LOL I have a ton of videos on my channel showcasing various strategies where I beat a boss in 1-3 turns from full HP and I've never once had to use Close Call for any of them. Sorry, fam, it just ain't that good LOL

This list takes general use into account, but I doubt you were actually listening if this is the comment you're making LOL