My Gripes With "The King Of Hobby CNC" (Hopeful Future Changes) 

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Love the content and frankness you bring. I have had a small desktop cnc for a year and a half which is how long I have been watching you. I have wanted a OneFinity since then but the price is my barrier. Although I know it can pay for itself quickly but I still struggle with the selling portion of the process so for now I wait. Keep it real sir!

Thanks for the update!! Helps to know how well this machine does over time.

I truly love your attitude and videos. Now, I can totally relate to the not having 220v as it's been a week since I've had a leg of incoming service conductor to my home has been missing. I'm just lucky I'm a beginner and don't rely on my CNC for an income. I don't have a router that would bit as a backup, so I am basically Out Of Luck. I've had bids to fix the problem that range from $7000 to $30000, yep that is 30K. Anyhow, I feel your pain to be without the 220v. Good luck Hamilton, I do enjoy the passion.

How do you like that xfasten tape? I bought the 1 inch wide stuff and love it, but see you have the much wider roll. The only issue I’m having with it so far is when it’s right under the tool path for a profile cut, it tends to really stick to the MDF where the bit seems to melt it a tad. It only happens when the bit goes through the material completely, but not into the spoil board.

That sizing is one reason that cnc3d's qb2 is awesome. Light industrial, but with 50" capacity. I cut from half sheets all the time. It's excellent.

Perfect timing, this is the information i needed

You do an incredible job with your videos. I’ve learned my entire woodworking knowledge from RU-vid, and you definitely are in the correct place to help newcomers like myself.

I am one of the original pre-orders for the original woodworker series machines. I am really needing to upgrade to an ATC and it's looking like PWNCNC has a solution if I purchase an Elite series. However, Stepcraft has an out of the box solution and I can't find any spec sheets to accurately compare the two machines. They are dead on even with price.

I bought a Power Route XL, from MillRight CNC, with the 220v 2hp spindle upgrade. The work area is about 50"x50", but it was about $6750, with shipping, back in 2019. Not crazy expensive, but not cheap. I recently added a minit pc and a touch screen to make it more user friendly.

I have the same issue with my little Makita... I LOVE the machine, but I feel like the Makita really stretches. I may end up building up the waste board... I don't use the T-track anyway. Don't have the money for a spindle right now - and don't have 220 V in the garage. Agree with the dust collection, is essential.

Brought my journey man pro and love it

I'd cover those smooth rods and ball screw so no dust can enter it from the side. I've designed my CNC with the linear rails and ball screw that is mounted on 160x40mm extrusion facing away from the work area. And with a high gantry I can fit laminate boards on top of the extrusions so most of the dust stays inside the work area. And dust collection makes sure most of it doesn't even enter the work area.

Thank you for this overview. I have had my Journeyman Elite only since the end of last year, so I am still getting to know it. I am using it for my business, which is building speakers - mass loaded transmission line speakers, to be exact. I have had occasional glitches - that my working theory *may* be happening because of power issues - and that is it starts cutting about 1/4"-1/2" off in X and Y, and occasionally an 1/* off in Z axis. This has happened maybe 4 times over the ~4 months? Just often enough to be really annoying. I am cutting 18mm Baltic birch, that I have had cut to the pieces I need, to minimize the waste due to kerfs. I have either had to repair or discard about 6-7 pieces, which may not sound horrible, but at first I had *no* spare material, because a pair of speakers is coming from one 5x5 sheet. So, I will be putting a power filter on the MASSO, and hopefully this put these glitches behind me? And yes - dust collection is a frustration, too. For me it's the 2.5" vacuum hose - it tugs a bit on the dust boot and the magnets aren't strong enough, and I end up breaking things; on the plexi or the brackets.

Can you do metal on this with the spindle? Al / brass / copper/ mild steel?

So I really enjoyed the video. I didn't go with onefinity, but was going back and forth on the machines, between 1F and the S5Pro. I think they both have their pros and cons. I wouldn't necessarily crown either of them "King of Hobby CNC" though. I like that I get the true 48x48 cutting area. I like the rigidity. I wish I had the masso controller. That is the main thing I feel it lacks, but that being said, it has not caused any issues for me in any of my projects. I enjoy that Carbide3D has made it so that they can provide the machine, spindle and software. Overall, they do a good job. Because of that, it also makes it limited to get a true ATC, which may have me upgrading to masso on my S5Pro. Thanks for the review!

Does the oneline site controller work with the elites too like the x50?

Happy to be a part of this.

I need a recommendation on a cnc that can do a larger diameter on rotary. I like to make custom posts and mail box polls. I want to be able to make larger diameter posts and poles. Any recommendations?

Absolutely love my 1F (buildbotics) Journeyman. I don't often need the entire cutting area but when I do it is sooooo nice to have. I'm a hobbyist and have made some really nice cribbage boards for friends (they have brought on tears of joy-not ready for that at all 🤣) By no stretch of the imagination do I consider myself a pro but I would say to those folks just getting into it...#1 do your research #2know what you mainly plan on doing with your cnc #3realize there will be growing pains and bumps along the way. Absolutely love your screw driver analogy it is so so so true. Also, my Mitz inspired enclosure is a HUGE bonus... I would absolutely go through that build again, why? well there are times that dust collection isn't a thing you can do and it contains the absolute mountains of dust and chips carving creates.

Hi Which double side tape are you using

Stop saying Onefinity is too cheap, I'm thinking of buying one.

Great video Hamilton and if they are going to make your beer flight surely they are going to need a bottle opener I wonder were they could find a video on a wall hung opener? CNC with me

I just upgraded my Journeyman from a X-50 to Elite, and while I think it’s an awesome upgrade, information and instruction on setting up the MASSO is a bit lacking. While I think I mostly have it figured out now, I had to hunt everywhere to find help on tool change, homing, multiple tool pathing, MDI commands etc. I think a video showing some of these steps would be awesome. There is another creator that comes close to a video similar to what I suggest, Mitchell’s woodworking, but he misses a bunch. A video showing how to program in your first bit in your MASSO, how to setup for multiple tool changes using a tool setter, parking, tool change location, changing post processor in your VCarve. Etc….maybe some useful MDI commands, like changing the time, the Txx M06 command, etc. The move from Black Box to MASSO was huge in terms of order of operations.

Ditto on the size grip! Not just One Infinitely but all mfg of CNC machines. Wood sheets are standard sizes, give me the carving area to utilize every inch of the wood sheet.

Thanks for this video; finally, a simple and intelligent callout to 1F for fixing or designing their machines better. To clarify, first and foremost, I want them to 1) fix dust collection to handle 4" hoses. 2) Support spindles! 3) Redesign Z slider for clearance limitations. Remember, "Infinite Possibilities....as long as you limit yourself to our poor design choices that we refuse to fix years later." They finally caved and fixed the complete lack of cable management by including drag chains, and put on big boy pants going with Masso, why can't they continue to "improve" the other aspects of their machines and not just by making them bigger?

While it’s just preorders right now, in a few months I truly believe the ALTMILL by Sienci Labs will take the crown as the new king of hobby CNC machines.

I have the elite foreman. I’m a rank amateur but damn is this a nice machine. Someday I hope to find a practical use for it!

You made great points about the machine making money for you but you have to work at it. I recently had someone get a CNC and he was asking a lot of the questions about sales, revenues and such. Something that I don't think gets brought up enough on videos of CNC creators but I pointed out to him is how much time the logistics of running one of these are in comparison to making money. Client interaction, design, machine set up payment verification....etc. took much more time than just building/carving items. How fast can you take the conversation and turn it into a working design? Get really good at the programming stuff and be able to be fast. Any way great content on this one. I have the 32x32 buildbotics. Looking to upgrade next couple months and your comment about the 48x48 or the 48x32 makes perfect sense. Really like the idea of throwing a 1/2 sheet on there and being done but making one more cut on a piece of plywood or even just tiling here and there is an option. Keep up the good work.

Hey Hamilton, what happened to the ball screw covers your mother in law made? Would they help?

Hmm... it would be nice, indeed, if the Masso would show the operation time. I haven't realized that until now, because I don't really suffer from it - when I do may toolpaths in Fusion, it tells me the time it takes. And so far, it has been quite accurate. But I haven't done really big and/or detailed projects. Oh, but if maybe someone else (that you completely trust :D) does the project for you and only gives you the program to run, then it doesn't matter if the software showed them the time, you would need to know it as well when starting the program and throughout the program running. So, it would be really useful if Masso would also show the work time, and even more useful maybe to show something like "Remaining time / Total time" or "Processed / Total". Maybe also per toolpath and for the entire project. The more I think about this now, the more it sounds like something that should have been implemented since day 0 :)

Please do a Onfinity VS Shapeoko 5 pro to really see who the "KING" is The Shapeoko 5 pro doesn't need 220v for it's spindle, it can also cut a true 48x48, It can also do "Tiling" for a true 4'x8' sheet cut. It also comes with a waste table with "T" track and hold-down clamps It also has a time estimation The Shapeoko only cost $4900 delivered for everything listed above (Including spindle, dust collection, clamps & bits)

Really wish i had gone with onefinity instead of a shapeoko 5. I picked it because i thought having an "out of the box" solution was worth it as a total noob. That has some value, but it's skewing heavily towards valuing the beginning of your journey. Sure, getting up and running quickly is nice, but if you end up doing this a long time that noob period ends up being a tiny fraction of your experience. Now i wish i had just gone with the superior machine and accepted the up front headache to figure it out.

As nice as a onefinity is. I am very happy with my long mill mk1. 30 x 30.

NO BUGS WERE HARMED DURING THE MAKING OF THIS VIDEO..

Not to run Onefinity down by any means but it sounds like everything that your machine is lacking, a Shapeoko 5 pro has. #1 A dustboot, #2 The ability to cut a true 48 inches, #3 a time estimation of the project that you are running, and #4 It comes complete for those of us who want a complete package instead of trying to figure what we need as beginners all at a price that at the time that I bought mine was slightly less than the 1F due to the shipping from Canada.

If you’re using a 1/4” bit, shouldn’t you be able to get 47.5”? If 1/8”, I’m guessing 47.75”? I realize neither are 48”, but still closer than 47”.

Honestly, if your Onefinity is no longer adequate, you've grown out of the Hobby grade CNC's. Get and AVID (or your brand here) CNC.

I really dislike all of the aftermarket dust boots for this machine. They were all designed by people that very clearly have absolutely no clue about fluid dynamics. I ended up designing my own 4" dust hose connection from scratch.

I don't have dust collection right now, he said. Then you complain about getting dust in the ball screws, a self inflicted problem. Why? Hamilton you're a smart Guy. Maybe I missed the reason why. Best, Fred

Onefinity great machine but away from Pwncnc 110 v spindle. I regret to spend a lot of money not much different from Makita.

only onefinity owners make the claim of this being the best cnc machine. Its never rooted in fact. I mean truthfully this video proves why onefinity isnt the best. (I own a onefinity and shapeoko and prefer the shapeoko). My shapeoko 5 pro has literally had 0 down time and the onefinity has had numerous issues. Masso is the only advantage over the shapeoko

Don't think too much about "estimated times" It's not really mind blowing that the masso controller doesn't have it. While estimated completion time is common for laser cutters/engravers, its not in the CNC business. A lot of the bigger, professional machines like the high end of shopsabre, high end of camaster, etc using wincnc, and they do not have an estimated completion time. Just not something that really exists in the industry. And obviously Aspire's time estimate is pretty worthless.

Bro, you sprayed over that bug!! You lose the right to complain about stuff!

you should buy a 3d printer. way more fun than cnc

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_JQ0sTSiTeQ.html RIP, i call bugs art critics because they always seem to show up during the finish process haha, cheers, nice video!! Ill get my hands on a cnc machine one of these days!