My last KSP 2 video. 

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Ooh! Mova globes! CLEAN ENERGY 😏

But do they have Kerbin globes?!

It had so much ambition and so much to live for, but now, it's just over. It didn't even live and it already died :(

Wait this video was realised 1 he ago how are you 12hr- WAIT

@@dataware5496 Presumably, patreon.

@@Magpie_Media No, not patreon. The video was a premiere, so I commented before it went live

@@bentheman69 Yeah, but those ambitions were crazy. I mean, multiplayer could never have been what they promised, because of the time warp dilemma. It's not like "finding a bed" in other games, 'cause people would need to "sleep" massively different amounts of time. i mean,, Imagine going to the far end of the system, while your friends are setting up a moon base. Chaos!

I just think take 2 will hold on to it...

​@@user-kl1yi6vo6sthat would be the smartest thing to do. Hold on to it until ksp1 fades a little more

@@M167A1 I don't think ksp1 will fade for a good few years if they update it again... it seems like ksp2's death brought back ksp1...

​@@user-kl1yi6vo6s Ksp 2 was dead from the beginning.

Nobody will, as the code for the game itself is so poor there really isn't anything to pick up. You'd have to start all over

And - dare I say it - Game of Thrones.

And final space

Not a grand strategy fan huh? At least KSP2 got to die.

I dunno, Payday 3 is in the running for that

​@@ottosturm7224Problem is PayDay 4 was a full release

LOL

funni

Yeah :) Too much dry mass too (the promised features)

And they couldn't add more boosters

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It is a poorly made mock-up of the original with a fresher coat of paint

The problem was the the management basically told the workers to do this Was built using the same flawed system unity It was a cash grab for the corporate

It was built using the exact same code from KSP1, so it quite literally was.

@@Patrickf5087unity itself isn’t the issue here, it’s the systems that were built on top of it

@zutaca2825 from what thr KSP developed said was that unity itself was the problem, the scope of space even ksp space was too big for it to handle properly

Use CKAN

@@thewanderers97 I never got to grips with CKAN. Literally everything just throws up an error or incompatibility.

Wasn’t it removed in the final release?

​@@RealTallestSkilno I still have to deal with it if I don't use ckan

@@trabant601e There's a mod that disables it, even if you don't use ckan

jeb, bob and bill are probably still floating in the air, waiting till ksp2 gets done right to get back on new kerbin

It really was

As a consultant project manager by trade who's job is to go into failing projects and fix them if possible, I can tell you bad PM is a massive issue that a lot of businesses don't notice, until too late.

Yup

It was a cynical investor project intended not to do something cool that they thought might find an audience, but to exploit an audience they saw as easily bought. Which they were.

@@Codysdab As a dev for 25 years. I can say this is 100% since I have never had a project manager that was capable of actually managing anything. Only move from crisis to crisis and generally pass the parcel and rarly address any actual issues properly even the simple ones.

@@slider799 yup, it's very common. I've gone from dev, dev lead, dev manager to consultant project/programme manager and the incompetence of PMs who've only ever done a PM course astounds me. Still, it keeps me gainfully employed and I do rather enjoy going into companies and making enemies, it's fun.

I am waiting for the sequel for this video with the splashdown, when there is good news to talk about ksp future. I plan to live for about another half century I hope i get to see it in my lifetime

The devs didn't finish the game, so I didn't finish the mission ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@@MattLowne So if/when devs DO finish the game, are we going to see the end of this mission? Got to keep the footage on standby for the forseable future.

If it were to be accurate, then the mission would have ended before the rocket took off

​@@Concavenator_corcovatus Maybe you are right, it would be more realistic if the rocket were to never leave the launch pad, but sometimes it's better to focus on the more poetic elements the bitter sweetness of a great game that could have been but sadly may never be.

Things did! Ksp2 went from dead corpse to fertilizer

@@olegshkurenko-0448 Fertilizer for the players and the community to build from the foundations of KSP 1 and mod it together to achieve our dreams. Hope for a better future made by us for us.

@@olegshkurenko-0448 BRUH IM DIEEING 💀💀💀

and they will get worse if we don't force the change on these companies, boycotts are the only solution

If you actually played from release, they certainly did, just not anywhere near as good as promised and nowhere near as quickly as it realistically should have

Amazing

That is just the best! :D

KSP 1 is such an amazing game, there's really lots of content in career mode, also they updated it constantly, but Take-Two had to ruin everything by buying out the studio...

@@rusername ksp 1 ran out of things to do years ago. What is there is great, but it's not enough to keep playing it, when I would love more things to do with it, especially new parts and I can't get into modding anymore. Someone else is just gonna have to make a new series like this.

@@jackman5840 I'm loading very few mods but having the goal of building as many colonies as I can before the game keels over. It should take some time. After I've done that with stock, there's planet packs especially Infinite Discoveries by Sushut -- procedural system generation. That'll last me until I get tired of building colonies, at least. :) But I don't really want parts. I'd rather play JNO with all its procedural parts instead.

I don't exactly know what you mean because I don't have much interest in games, but from before release, I recognized a problem which has killed many projects: aspirations far too high to be achieved. In the open source world, these projects rarely get beyond one dreamer's personal computer; you hear them going on about it for a bit, but never see any working code. I thought Take Two's investment might be enough to make it happen, but all that happened was it got many more peoples' hopes up before collapsing.

@@eekee6034 yeah, I basically meant that: inmense aspirations that were never fullfilled, eventually everyone forgot about it, and as if it were in a video game’s “out of bounds” , I doubt anyone will hear from KSP2 in a few months or so unless they deliberately look for it

Yup I had the same plan, buy it when they actually delivered.

Hell, I considered buying the dead game in the Steam Sale but £36 for an early access game who's development has completely halted is an insult.

Exactly. Everyone who convinced themselves that an Early Access game is a "released game" is delusional and are the ones who fuel this dodgy development mindset. Everyone who waited did the right thing. I was going to wait until the game had a release if it didn't come out still scuffed.

unfourtunately I was one of the poor souls who purchased the game on that fateful day... Febuary 24, 2023...

@@connormartin9644 Being that date the anniversary of the start of the war in Ukraine, the truth was that it gave me a bad feeling.

Then again, it did mention they'd fight till the end....

Squad was never a game studio, It's an advertisement firm that allowed some employees to make a game as a a passion project. They had no intentions of ever making a second one so selling the IP (not the studio) was always going to be the best outcome. Unfortunately it was bought by Take2.

Unfortunately due to current precarious financial circumstances in the job world, you'll rarely see an indie or double A studio turn down $10+ million dollar offers.

@@AlexanTheMan I suppose that's kinda unavoidable when the everything is about money at the end of the day :/

its hard for small studios to fund big projects if they don't get external sponsors

@@dognibbler Something as educational as KSP should be grant-funded - would be cool if NASA or SpaceX just bought it.

Embarking on this final mission, Jeb and his crack team of Kerbals journey beyond the edges of the known Kerbol system, never to return. They never did splash down.

​@user-kf4mu8br5n They may someday return, maybe in our lifetime, maybe not. But all we know, is that they are up there, fighting for something they believe in...

Take 2 has this IP clutched in their claws with no escape, unfortunately. I think a legally distinct space sim IP that gives the promises ksp 2 tried to sell itself on would be best.

@@Screeno1993ksp 2.5?

well a new company could be sold the rights to make future ksp games Lets say KSP 3

If a new KSP starts, I'll buy it. This game cannot be abandoned.

I don't think it would've even made it off kerbin lol

More like on the launchpad

"Can you explain this hole in your resume?" "I just didnt feel like managing any large projects, ya know?"

yeah this is by far the biggest issue and its so fundamental that a realistic scenario of ksp2 coming back would require starting over completely

Yeah, the problem with ksp2 to begin with is they began with a copy of the original code , still in unity. It needs a bespoke engine build from the ground up, and that will take at least 4 years to do just that before the rest of the game gets made tbh

@@Screeno1993Star Engine, Lumberyard or maybe Unreal Engine

I think the only possible scenario where KSP2 comes back in some form is if RocketWerkz acquires the KSP IP, pulls KSP2 and rebrands it as like KSP1.5, then releases their internal game that they’re working on independently as KSP2

​@Screeno1993 not nesserly unity can do it. Though id say if you are starting from scratch, using unreal 5s nanite systems for the planets might be the preferable option. Bespoke engines are cool, but ksp is simply too nich for it. Look at keen software's space engineers. They are barely holding on and have to use some less-than-stellar tactics to do that.

I'd argue Take2 own the lion's share. They decided to pull the license from Star Theory and created a massive delay and the requisite budget eating that came with spinning up a whole new studio. They set the odd restrictions on Intercept once it did get formed which meant the entire onboarding process for the new hires was necessarily going to be painfully slow. There were bad decisions to be found everywhere but the real killer is the things that ate into the budget and those mostly fall on Take2's shoulders.

@@rainbowkrampusThis. TakeTwo is a MASSIVE, rich company, and while there's a lot of things going on, TakeTwo still shuttered the studio despite knowing fully that this game was riding on the line, like as if it was costing them _that_ much money (which it really wasn't). From what I've heard too, I've had numerous people tell me that shortly after KSP2's studio got shuttered for budget cut reasons, Strauss Zelnick got another multi-million-dollar bonus for his salary. Not sure if that's true, but considering that stuff has happened before, I wouldn't be surprised if it is.

@@JackFoxtrotEDM Yeah, I get why it happened, but I still think it was a mistake to sell the IP to Take2. They have demonstrated over and over that they are not good stewards of... anything.

As others have said, TakeTwo certainly has the most blame. There are other factors like project management which feel frustrating, I can point to Nate Simpson's push for bigger ideas as an artist while being out of his depth in the coding & engineering side as a prime example. However, Nate's mistakes still came from a place of love and genuine desire for the game to grow, T2 on the otherhand was cold harsh business. I never bought KSP 2, always was holding off for it to get better and add multi-player and colonies; but now I am glad I didn't waste my money. If I were to point to an indie game (albeit in a different genre) that gives me KSP 1 excitement it's Century of Steam a rail simulator project that I have a few friends working on. Everything shown in the game's development so far is both artistically rich, historically detailed, and deep in the real engineering on railroads; and it has the potential to jolt the rail simulator market the same way KSP 1 did to the space/flight simulator market. The comparable games like the prior Railroads Online in the rail simulator genre are a bit too lifeless, the physics far too unrealistic, and the game performance buggier than KSP 2; and showcase why if Century of Steam can meet even just half the promises it has made it will be a kick in the ass to a genre that's been standing still for decades. Hell if any KSP 2 devs want to go rogue and make their own indie game to fulfill all the failed promises of KSP 2, I'd support them as vocally as well.

@@rainbowkrampus Simpson was to blame almost 100%. If I knew from the announcement video that it was never going to be, the company should have known. But that dude was just obsessed with the idea of a Multi-player for the kiddos and other useless stuff that was never going to happen. Nobody should have given him the project!

I never even said goodbye to ksp1 . I just knew ksp2 would die as soon as I heard who was developing it.. and that it was still in unity

@@Screeno1993 Honestly same, I just had some hope that KSP 2 could be fixed and become a proper successor to KSP 1.

now if only KSP1 had a much stronger modding scene like it did many years ago... thats my only gripe with ksp1 atm, I love that game to death, and my instance in particular is modded up the wazoo lol, but man I wish it had a stronger modding scene, what it currently has is good, but it saddens me a lot of the best mods havent really been updated or kept track of to any significant degree. KSP2 was imo fine as it was, but it really sucks that it got basically killed in a rocket explosion. I was really hoping for that much more powerful mod support.

@@KCAerospace it was being fixed and slowly getting better than KSP2, just T2 decided to screw us all over

dang, it I am on Xbox so I can’t use mods, I was really excited for KSP 2

Same. But not from the current publisher.

@@alexk4058 Yay, it likely will only be modders. Hopefully people will resume doing it if not already doing so.

Lol

@@Wrangler-fp4ei Maybe like community agreed mods/mod packs so big they will be called a new version?

What happened to squad and private division

the space music is really great and fits the atmosphere, but the launch sequence is a bit too repetitive and just gets boring

well i am actually adding the soundtrack to the game, but it is illegal to share. frick

T2 made the right call. The devs had seven years and $100 million and this was they best they could manage

The devs all got fired, so there's nobody to work silently

@@OutsiderLabs Do some research bud

No Man's Sky had a 5-person dev team and enough money n the bank to pay wages for a decade. Also, the ethics...

I mean in over a year all they added was just a few new parts and a game mode that was in the previous game. No colonies, no interstellar , nothing. It was all a lie. If you have to put "we are true to our word " on your website you are liars

As an 37 year old military veteran and an Engineer, I feel you bro. It sucks!

As an 16 year old aspiring to be a rocket engineer, feel you man. i literally cried watching the trailer, and i even saved up to buy a more powerful PC so i can run it. its a disappointment but life goes on and there is still hope that a studio out there will pick up the project and deliver what was promised.

As a 18 year old, KSP1 was my childhood game, I remember getting into orbit the first time, I was so happy. I play KSP pretty regularly now, I’m sad to see KSP2 die, it had so much potential. Though I’m glad I have a potato computer that wouldn’t run KSP2 so I never bought it

As a 50 year old with plenty to look forward to in the space game world, I still teared up a bit at the end of this. :/ I've been on-and-off about watching KSP2 videos for months, having seen the signs of developers getting their hopes up too high long before launch. I've seen far too much of that in the software world, thought Take Two's money could _maybe_ pull it off, and then saw the community got more and more disappointed. It was pretty heartbreaking. Anyway, what's to look forward to? I'm looking forward to getting good at making great-looking JNO ships -- it's evidently possible! I want to try planet packs in KSP1 & JNO, especially Infinite Discoveries because I've always loved procedurally generated worlds. And I want to make a planet pack; I have all these ideas! :) I haven't even got time to build up hopes for that Rocket Science game Matt once showed.

Hate to be that guy but it’s a video game. Go buy a model rocket from Estes and fly it. Look up at the stars. There are better things to do than mourn the mismanagement of this failure.

They said that with no mans sky but it got revived. If no mans sky didnt run then ksp2 would be dead

@@gamesforgames1727 really sick of this comparison. No Man's Sky wasn't owned by a large corporation, Hello Games had full financial and creative control over the project. On top of that it actually made a huge profit on launch that allowed them to keep making updates, KSP2 managed to get nowhere close to breaking even. No Man's Sky did run, KSP2 is dead. There's no correlation between those projects

@@Brixxter Oh sorry for my mistake, my bad

*early access

@@gamesforgames1727 that was cool of you. Not enough people say "oh whoops, my bad" on the internet. It'd be a much better place if more people were like you :)

Yeah, but they also used a song called "Outro"...

well it was getting better

Nah, KSP 2 was flawed from the start with the decision to keep the code base from KSP instead of starting from scratch.

It really doesn’t

@@robyn051 It does. There are things people had been asking for for years that modding can only do so much to achieve. The code is a mess and a more experienced team starting from the ground up could make a more efficient game that runs more complex calculations. KSP is far from perfect. It's terrible at onboarding new players. The career and science modes are post hoc additions that don't integrate as well as they could. The graphics engine is getting long in the tooth etc. etc. KSP is great and all but it's not for nothing that people were really excited when the sequel was first announced.

@@robyn051 Modding can only go so far😔

@@kaseyboles30 it's over. There will be no next try.

I want a Minmus globe

Eve globe

Screw it, entire kerbol system

Yeah, but I want a Gakken Worldeye so I can put whatever planets I want on it. They don't make them any more though. :/ Also low-res, though they can be upgraded with some handiwork.

Instant buy

You can make ksp 1 look way better than ksp 2 with only a few mods

2

Single player games don't die. It ain't a freakin live service game with the servers being turned off... geez. Anyone can still go boot up KSP1 with some mods and have a blast

The only valuable things are the 3d assets tbh

​@@Screeno1993and the music

No, NASA destroys their debris in the tracking station, where do you think KSP got the idea?

I agree but in that case, why even buy it? Do you buy things that you plan on throwing away? I mean.. besides paper towels, I guess. At that point it would be easier and more cost effective to make your own rocket sim and just use a different name!

@@idontwantahandlethough you could throw away the original code and build the same game from scratch and it would be less work than to fix it It is the sunk cost fallacy but with code.

What if the community gets KSP2

@@lolermosskoss1834 Communism?

@@hatman44i love communism, and i have arch installed :)

Yeah!

This is a terrible idea

What happens when take two finds out someone us crowdfunding the purchase of the KSP 2 rights... immediate cease and desist, followed by the price doubling and take 2 telling any perspective buyers (looks at the fan base you can fleece).

@@wandyrful they dont exist anymore dude. you cant cease and desist if the game studio is already desisted

@AppoapsisStudios take two still owns the base rights, and intercept still exists as a legal entity unless thier assets have been absorbed into take two (which is likely).

same 😂

I was gonna buy a new Xbox for it, but something tells me I might be better off with just KSP 1 lol

Someone except the money blinded bastards at take2 please! Im sure it would still be in active development if take2 wasn't so greedy!

Why would they? How could they? KSP is no longer a small indie game

boycott take 2

@@ld2048 they won't give a fuck if we boycott :/

@@ferestrod3242 if enough people do they will

Yeah lol I got a new PC specifically for ksp 2 and uh.. I am glad I didn't buy ksp2 . All my other games got massive performance boosts.. including a heavily modded ksp 1 xd

I fully agree

As soon as I heard it was being made in Seattle I knew it was Kerbover.

The real answer is just that people had a lot of good will from the first game that carried over, and the first trailer was just really really good.

@@harrymack3565 that trailer did hit hard i won't argue with that, but I won't ever understand why people gave ksp2 dev team goodwill when they never earned it

@@kodabear3358 We had hoped, hoped for something that never became. The memories from KSP 1 was too good that it fooled us.

Well, I don't think modding is possible on console... I agree though, we should have got more. Maybe they should start updating ksp1 again...

@@user-kl1yi6vo6sDefinitely is.

I know which is such a load of bs, i miss some of that stuff

Console KSP is so unstable... 😅

@@FORGED-STEEL unfortunately so, not to mention a pain to build anything in because it takes ten years

Feels very unlikely someone is going to pay take two 60 m for the rights to a project they couldn't even bother to finish.

they were money hungry made the game too expensive on launch, like why would you sell it at full price if its not even finished

Publishers​@@CertifiedMicrowave

@@CertifiedMicrowaveblame publisher, not developer

Take Two showed some faults, but I've seen too many projects fail because it was far too ambitious to succeed, and that's exactly what Nate Simpson did to KSP2. It was he who sold Take Two on the idea that KSP could have so many extra features; stuff which could never be achieved with insane amounts of money. I'm sure he's miserable now his dream is dead, because that's the way these things always go.

@@CertifiedMicrowave T2****

I will never call that game anything other than Simple Rockets 2

Juno new origins just looks too much like a ripoff mobile game for people to take it seriously

@@trabant601e Eh, Ripoff of what? KSP2? KSP2 came out like 7 years after Simple Rockets 2

​@@trabant601e ripoff of what?? There s literally no game like Juno.

Let's all buy JNO to give the devs reason to spend time on it. Currently, they have to spend most of their time on their other, more popular games.

Intercept games might be dead, but there are other studios with the same knowledge that can salvage it! Let's pray ksp 2 gets picked back up someday

Speak for yourself

The weird thing is that even though the chance is 0%, maybe intercept games could be reopened. Like toys r us and the developer of minecraft story mode.

@@moonman5701 the developer of Minecraft SM was Telltale Games, and yeah, they did reopen, under skybound games' rule, maybe they can do the same, intercept games reopens under control of another company

@@ferestrod3242 I would like a studio with more knowledge than intercept games, they had problems with hiring the right competence.

Right up until a sudden gust carries your rocket into a tree. Then it's mostly just infuriating.

One would have to prove that they never intended to deliver on the KSP 2 roadmap presented for a suit like that to succeed. How long ago was the decision made to close Intercept Games compared to KSP 2 development and/or EA release? Yes, it royally sucks for those who bought it but. unless closing Intercept down prematurely was always Take Two's plan, there wasn't anything illegal (directly related to KSP 2). Buying into anything early access is always, inherently, a risk. Caveat emptor (lat. "let the buyer beware").

I don't think you can find any lawyer that would be insane enough to think that they can take on T2

the people who bought it from the start is pretty dumb too.

Honestly there were so many warning signs not to buy it that it's hard to encourage anyone to sue the company- just learn from this and don't continue to buy unfinished games.

There's no way that you could convince anyone reasonable that they lied to make money. The game never made money. They spent way more on development and advertising than they made in early access sales. This was a failure, not a fraud.

taketwo were the publishers that took down the game. intercept knew what to do but star theory had the worst spaghetti code according to them

yep, the fanboys are quiet now. They weren't silent when defending the game last year.

@@TheBelrick well i don't think anyone expected T2 to pull the plug so early and even when the game was getting good

@danzstuff They literally said in a previous interview that it was a possibility that it would get canned, they then gaslit the fans by saying if it does get canned, it will be because of them. It was not getting good. They still admit to not being able to program stable orbits over time. Still to this day. The ONE thing the entire game is based on. It was a joke from day one. I knew from the announcement video it was never going to happen. Everybody else should have kniwn as well.

@@RandomPickles Where did they say that? Also orbital decay has been fixed since 0.2.0

@@danzstuff Not long term orbital decay as I understand it. Just the short erm. But it is irrelivant I soppose as tyhere are so many other issues that are say they never had any idea idea what they were doing. This is from the April update. " there’s a very challenging set of problems to solve in the pursuit of accurate Delta-V projections for every possible vehicle that a player can make, so this is something we’ll likely be refining for quite a while" ---TRANSLATION--- "We have no idea how to even make the base concept of the game function, even at this point in time. And we should not have promised or attempted anything more than the original, without first making sure we knew what we were doing!"

I'd argue it did. KSP struggled a lot with engine issues, bad performance and glitches. All things that could not be fixed without a from the base up rewrite. I was excited to see what they could do with a modern engine and everything learned from KSP1. Sadly they didn't learn. It was mismanaged, promised way too much way to early and tried to launch into early access basically with the amount of content that KSP1 ended with. They should have focused way more on getting the basic systems down first and then start adding more content.

@@dies200 Yeah I love the game and played it a lot, but what always stopped my playthroughs was the jank. Trying to build a swing-wing SSTO for example, and the parts just flop about uselessly. I really hoped KSP2 would address that, but with the focus on keeping rockets wobbly it's clear they had no intention of doing so.

real slim shady reborn? YES. especially with the release of houdini

@@finewine1001 sometimes i wonder what the old me'd say