My opinion on the CNC Motors Situation 

"Maybe if we just give Bernie Madoff a couple billion to get some breathing room, he can get this thing turned around and get everyone their money back"

The dealer knew exactly what he was doing to save his own ass, what he did to the customers selling their cars and putting their money in his own pocket and endless lies to save the business is a big no-no, it's highly criminal and there is no talk or crying out of this....

Let’s not forget Clay took the proceeds from the sale of Shane’s F430 and never paid of his lien. So not only has Shane lost his F430, he’s left paying the loan and insurance. Clay is a dirt bag that would steal from you as sure as look at you. He knowingly wrote bad checks to his customers and that boys is a felony.

I consigned my specialty car in 2019 to CNC. They didn’t tell me my car sold, a friend told me my car wasn’t at the dealership and when I contacted them they said “sold last night”. I was paid 20 days later and the check did clear. I was in conversations with CNC to bring two more of my speciality cars to CNC, (I have the texts) this was now a week and a half ago, I noticed my CNC contact (Joey) wasn’t returning my calls or texts so I looked up CNC for their main phone number line and just causally happened to click on reviews. My whole world exploded, I was literally hours if not minutes away of moving 2 cars there (valued in the 6 figure range), I cannot thank you and everyone enough for getting the word out and essentially saving me, this would have been a crushing blow for me that could’ve taken a decade to recover from. Wow, F#%* Speechless.

Glad you took the time to do all the interviews with Shane and CNC Motors, and, field all the calls over the past 48 hours. I’m sure mind exploded and your heart broke to hear all the sad stories. But there’s strength in a community even if it is under adverse circumstances like this. I feel CNC days are limited and the owners need to be held accountable. Much like any scam, you always feel horrible for the unsuspecting victims. Thanks Dan for all you have done to shed some objective light on this subject.

Dan, just come out and say it as it is, the owner is a scammer, period. He is a confidence trickster, a fraud. He has lied too so many people, a quick internet search has passed the beyond a reasonable doubt test, in my opinion. I am surprised you did not see this. As someone had already mentioned it, you should have had Meg do the interview, guaranteed the owner would have walked out of the room within the first minute. Anyhow, looking forward to your video.

That cnc owner about to skip town into the sunset with the stolen exotics. He's gone in under 60 seconds. My man with the Ferrari needs to hire Nicholas Cage to get his lady back.

I remember my friend showing me cars on CNC and I always got this feeling it was a shitty lowball dealer. I was like I am buying an NSX from Acura. A Porsche from Porsche, Or a Ferrari from a private person or from the dealership why risk that? Why would you buy a Rolex on the street? Think about it.

I’ve heard from people who’ve had these issues ongoing for years now, I wanted to believe the sob story but I think the management is a bunch of lying scum

Well I got to know. Just set the reminder on and will go get some popcorn 🍿 for this.

Why do I have a feeling Clay is in way over his head with other bad people? Kinda makes me think about that Netflix series, Ozark.

Thank you for providing your platform to help people that are victims to this fraud and being vocal to help others to prevent them from being a part of this fraud

Never watched your channel until now, but just subscribed because you seem like a genuine guy.

It’s an easy conclusion. CNC is a small business with no cash reserves. Cash flow is the life blood of a small business. When Covid hit, his reduced revenues/income could not cover his fixed overhead/debt. In simple terms, he was gradually going out of business. What little money that was coming in, Clay was using it to pay off debt that was necessary to keep the doors open. In other words, Clay was “robbing Peter to pay Paul.” Viewers ask “where’s the money?” Folks, it’s GONE. Clay is a broke man struggling to keep his head above water. It’s an uphill struggle, but I wish Clay well for ALL parties concerned.

Crook N Cars or Crook N Customers. The internet is the first place you go look for info on a company that you are gonna deal with. So to answer the big question: Nope. Not ever. All the people are asking 2 very simple things that should be answered. Where are the bucks??? When are the bucks gonna be paid back???

Thanks for following through!

Would I consign a car right now? Sure if you are looking to give it away😁

As a car community how are we not making a way bigger deal about this and trying to help people get some kind of resolution. Other communities get things accomplished all the time, we are as sizable we should do something!

I saw a video here on RU-vid a few days ago, A RU-vidr was at CNC Motors they were empty and shutdown.

Im so happy and grateful you are doing this man.

Dan, thanks for publicizing this issue. It’s a horrible deal, and to think that CNC motors used to be a highly respected dealer. I know you mentioned in one of the videos in this series some discussion on Ferrari chat. I found one post on the general discussion thread and I was dumbfounded by the response on this issue by one of the moderators. This was the only thread I found on the issue though I didn’t go digging far. But I did look into the issue with the BBB, and wow. Also found a story from one individual, can’t remember where, that stated CNC sent a check to the bank to secure the lean release then put a stop payment order on the check. Long story short there are numerous complaints and an investigation on CNC motors going clear back to may of last year. My thoughts on the issue is this, not sure if any of the individuals have yet been made whole but I saw at least a dozen complaints. Where did the money go? What happened to the PPP money they secured because they got a hefty chunk? Not sure if they got the EDIL loans or not but if they did where did that money go? And finally where is the cash from the supposed sale of the building? He explained that a portion of that money was retained by the new owner for rent but where is the rest? And if it was this easy for me to find public information regarding CNC motors and potential fraud and an investigation in a few minutes how does this guy think he’s going to secure investors? Seems to me it’s like a sinking ship that’s just about to take a steep nose dive to the bottom of the ocean and take everyone in the vicinity with it. My honest gut feeling is a lot of people are going to be out a lot of money, with out their cars or both. And I have a hunch the owner is doomed to face felony charges of some sort. Is it possible that the guy really did get too big too quick and the pandemic bit him in the ass? Yeah but a good business owner would have self corrected way quicker. Here is an example. My wife and I planned to expand out business to add a third location last October. Because we provide a needed service we qualified for a economic development grant. However we had to finish the development, pay the contractors and materials in full before compensation from the grant. Once paperwork was finished we broke ground in January. We self financed with business capital and 0% credit cards. Everything was going great and on time. We had deposits an contracts to open the facility March 23rd. Then the country shut down. And because the facility hadn’t opened yet we didn’t qualify for a lot of the economic impact for COVID relief. But we still weathered the storm, refunded deposits and tightened our belts. The facility received its inspection finally In august and it opened. We just finished paying off those cards to keep the 0% and received our reimbursement. Oh yeah and the employees we had already hired, they all got paid from March to August. Because otherwise they would have gotten squat because they had just been hired a week before the lock down. Basically everyone got what we promised. We took a bit of a financial hit but would have been financially ruined had we not stayed the course and completed our obligations. I know this is a long reply but in short yes it was difficult, but we stayed in business and our business has not only increased but is now quite strong. The good news is not doing any discretionary spending didn’t hurt so bad because there was no where to go, nothing to spend money on. This guy could have weathered this storm too, had he been better at managing a crisis and money. What good is it going to do him if he stashed all that cash away somewhere and he goes to prison. Or even worse squandered the money and has nothing and goes to prison. And there are people on both sides of multiple transactions that are screwed as well. I agree with Dan CNC motors is a no go zone. Likely for good. I do hope these people are made whole one way or another.

Dan, I have really admired your objective approach to this point. I am super thankful you are being 100% honest in your findings after more details have came out. Unfortunately there is a central theme to each individual that has had issues with CNC-Clay scams them! I watched that interview with Clay and the whole time I thought "this guy is so full of shit"!! This "poor me, I'm the victim" approach?! Are your kidding me?! It is disgusting to see a dealership do this so openly too. I feel for the poor people involved. I have always dug your channel man. As a car community we all need to bring awareness to these tenebrous transactions with in it. I have looked at past cars there and almost pulled the trigger on a Porsche I was looking at. Thank god I didn't do it.

That guy is clearly a freaking crook. The whole video where he “defended” himself with the thinly veiled threat of “back off or I’ll file bankruptcy and no one gets anything”. Which, imo, is clearly what he’s going to do from the start when he began this whole pyramid scheme because he was broke.

I love how in Clay’s interview he says that he knows now what he did wrong and he won’t do it again. So he now knows not to run Ponzi schemes with other peoples cars. Sad, but he should go to jail.

Unfortunately, CNC's actions not only hurt the buyers, sellers and all of the people who counted on it. CNC has also damaged the reputations of all good and honest car dealers and salespeople. The stereotype used car salespeople operate under may be well deserved by some of them. But a number of us have had great experiences with the dealerships and salespeople we used. It's a shame that their reputations are sullied by what CNC did.

Wonder how Doug Demuro feels about “Thissssssssss”

I applaud you for your professionalism in reporting this story. I like how you present the facts and provide your opinion on what you would do at this time and not provide your opinion if he is a scammer or a fraudster. I believe that is for the experts at the DMV to determine that. You have given him a fair chance to explain his side and I think you are being respectful as there may be a chance he his telling the truth.

I pulled my consignment car yesterday. I appreciate the warning and sound advise!

Thank you for trying to shed some light on this situation. Clay had a chance to clear some things up on your last episode. He couldnt provide any evidence of him changing his ways, besides his word, which already meant nothing. This episode had just confirmed, that unfortunately, there is going to be A LOT of people losing money due to CNC going bancrupt. The longer they are allowed to trade, the more people WILL lose money. Thank you for trying to help those people see the truth.

Well said Dan. Great job on vetting out the situation. Great job on laying out the facts and validating your opinion. If anyone with a brain would do what you have demonstrated, less people would end up screwed. Good job!

Thanks for all your hard work and investigating Dan. This is all heartbreaking news and really bad news for car guys/gals everywhere.

Cant wait for this one Dan.

I feel for the clients who've lost money & also the honest slaves that work for shonky businesses that go broke & leave the good staff without a Job. Rent or Mortgages to pay, loans, credit card bills, kids to support. Man the whole things is bad

Thanks Dan for the information.....

I'm beginning to think that CNC Motors stole Lady Gaga's French bulldogs.

Thanks buddy for the update and information .

In Moe we trust 😝

Agree with your opinion. Sad what those car owners are going through.

You did the right thing and it seems to be sort of stressing you. You’re a good guy because you kept it fair, honest, and with no spin. Still, try to avoid being put in the middle of a fight, for some tend to shoot the messenger. You got lucky.

One thought I had was similar to others, but where are all of these cars? He said CNC sold them, but no one else knows where they are. Perhaps they are on shipping containers going to Abu Dhabi or somewhere similar. Titles mean little to nothing in other countries.

If any of these cars were mine, they would be finding parts of Clay in random dumpsters all over California for months.

Damn, I can really tell how sad you feel about this situation Dan. It is a shame and I feel bad for those who are at a loss.

Dan - really good for you doing this video. I greatly respect you stand up on this issue. It’s sad that these guys are scam artists. Frankly the video you did interviewing the owner told the full story. His attitude and body language really illustrates who he is and that’s not good.

The thought that if they get put out of business nobody will get made whole well the counterpoint is the longer they stay in business the more people will be defrauded.

This same thing happened here but with high dollar RVs being consigned. As it shook out the person that bought and paid for the RV got to keep it and received title. The thinking was the buyer was the only completely innocent party while the person who made a deal with the consignment lot made that lot his agent. You see this in other businesses that use agents like insurance and real estate. Even if a agent goes beyond the scope of his contract with a insurance carrier it’s likely the carrier would have pay a claim and then go after the agent to recoup the loss.

Makes you question any small boutique dealership in the future. There are plenty of “good” upstanding dealerships but this situation is going to place a layer of doubt and concern for many of us who may consider consignment or a purchase from a smaller dealership. It’s not only bad for the seller but the new buyer has a car they either can’t register or was issued a fraudulent title and could be taken back. They may have a loan on the car too. Crazy situation for sure

This sounds like a rob Peter to pay Paul situation.

Doing the right thing will help your channel immensely in the long run, well done 👍

It all seems a bit nefarious Dan, this CNC debacle. 👍👍👍🇬🇧🇺🇸

Your doing a great service to everyone thank you.

These people should contact the California Attorney General as this is a case of persistent and ongoing FRAUD which is a criminal offense.

That’s crazy bro my friend actually has his car consigned at CNC motors right now and I’m watching this!

Meanwhile, LAPD S.W.A.T. Is raiding restaurants who didn’t have adequate spacing.

This needs to go out everywhere

Cnc should take their cut of the check the buyer gives them and pass the remainder to the seller. It shouldn't be that hard!

0:56 "...alot of times we're doing DIY work on ferraris..." - Yeah and idk why im here cause i need a ferrari before i can do any DIY on one lmao

Don't bother with DMV. They are WORTHLESS. The investigator wasn't even aware of the BallerBusters Instagram account until I informed them. Her job is INVESTIGATOR. UNBELIEVABLE!

Sounds like when the RV dealers are "Out of Trust" takes the new buyers trade in, sell them a new BIG RV $$ Motor Home and never pay the trade-off, Sell the Trade-in to another party leaving the buyer stuck with his old trade-in payments still on the books. Pretty much the movie "FARGO" scenario.

It seems to me that Clay has a price on his forehead now...Need to call a Mandalorian!

I think your opinion will be out opinion. You're a honest guy and i know all this situation is messing your sistem up. Cant wait for the video :)

If the cars that were sold and not paid for, a vehicle registration that was not signed of on has no value if all of these cats were shipped off to south america or africa. I suggest the authorities to confirm any shipments with correct identifications, originating from cnc motors. If certified than , local police and DA must be notified. This bankruptcy warning is BS.

I had my eye on a 991.2 GT3 clubsport they had about a month ago. It's not there now, but I would have traded my T4S for it and been royally screwed. I hope whomever bought it did ok.

Dan, great job covering this!

I think a possible future solution for this is for the buyers to cut 2 cheques, one directly to the owner, the other to the dealership to cover their fees.

I drive by CNC every morning and the show room floor looks more and more empty........ sad to hear all thats going on!

In Australia you go to a government site and you enter the VIN number of any car and it gives you it's history , owners , if there is debt attached to the car , amount and types of accidents so you can be sure you are getting the cars history and full title when you buy it . Don't they have a system like that in America ?

All those cars are probably on different continents by now. Most likely Foreign buyers are driving around in US exotic cars in their home countries.

Here's the lesson... if you feel that buying or leasing exotic cars mean that you "made it" or that somehow you're "successful" you'll end up losing a lot of money one way or another. Be like everyone else, have an old dirty circa 1984 Ferrari 308 poster on your garage wall right next to that old treadmill that doesn't get used anymore and drive a Chrysler minivan! Ain't no one ever gonna try to sell my Chrysler on consignment, not even worried.

Damn. This sucks for all these people. Seems the rule of thumb is to just trade it in and get your money not bothering with consignments

Woah i live like 30 min from CNC and love the variety of cars they got but after watching the video and reading the comments I don't want to buy a car from them. Cnc should be legally charged with something having to do with exploiting somebody's property to save their buisness

My question is where are all the people who spent six figures on an exotic car that they can’t register or drive? Dan, have any of them reached out to you? This story is the talk of the exotic car world and it would be strange if not a single one has heard of it. If we don’t hear from one of them soon I suspect the cars have been sold and shipped overseas.

I believe my original comment to your video was "the moneys long gone"

I see that more videos are popping up. Well this reminds me of why a mortgage company pre-qualifies a buyer.

how these people don't flip the hell out is beyond me

Moses is the man!!!

Dan, have you heard of the term "floating titles"? where a dealer keeps the money for around 90 days to use to aid the cash flow

I've purchased two cars through Ebay. They have a $100k fraud protection system for both the buyer and seller if the sale is incomplete or fraudulent.

So the reason CNC had such awesome inventory is because they were floating titles and using the cash to either buy cars or pay off investors who gave them cash to buy cars.

I realise this may be a strange question.......Why is there no Police involvement?.....It seems there are many possible charges, from failure to account, bouncing cheques (checks in the USA), failure to honour bailment agreements, breeches in their dealership licence etc etc..........

He planned on running this scam till it was no longer working then file bankruptcy. Unfortunately for him he never planned on (any) publicity. I hope he gets buried for this. Writing all those bad checks may be what gets him. If you *intentionally* pass a bad check here in Texas it’s a crime. Not a civil matter. And for that much money it’s a felony. He wrote those bad checks over and over concurrently during this time period so he knew that the checks wouldn’t clear making intent seem fairly obvious.

ask yourself this anytime you buy a car: who holds title? makes me sad people are so quick to send money to a party that does not hold title to vehicles.

Man I'm ready for this!

You just interviewed this man.He said he is doing the right thing now.So he is still selling peoples cars and keeping the money and not doing the right thing 🤷🏼‍♂️He said he will do the right thing from here on out.You dig a hole 🕳 to deep you can never get out of it.I would agree don’t buy or sell anything through this company they have not learned anything.

I want to believe that CNC motors is trying to do the right thing. My problem with giving them the benefit of the doubt, however, stems from their alleged repeated failure to notify the owners that their cars have been sold. Since the dealership has (what) 20 days to reimburse the owner for the sale it would seem that this is a stalling tactic. So long as the owner does not know that his car has been sold he has no expectations of prompt reimbursement. Secondly the repeated bounced and cancelled checks that people have reported are very troubling. This seems to be a repeated pattern with this company. Very troubling that almost all the stories detail almost the exact same scenario, delays, excuses etc. If I had a car on consignment with CNC right now I would demand to see the sales contract and name and contact information of the "buyer." Surely CNC has this information. I'm sure that these cars have actually been sold but, as they say, "trust but verify."

I would force this man into bankruptcy as to not let let this happen again to anyone. I would eat my loss and leave him in ruin.

Month ago I was planning to see CNC for my lambo. I’m glad I didn’t make the move!

Man I feel sorry for these owners that are getting ripped off , Throw his @ss IN JAIL , just my opinion

Let’s be honest if it was mine and I’m sure you feel the same you wouldn’t take the risk. As hard as it sounds, their problems while awful aren’t anybody else’s problems. He has proven that the money coming into the business wasn’t assigned to the correct accounts. There needs to be an awful lot of gross profit per sale to meet the overheads of his business and make good to those already out of pocket if he isn’t going to misappropriate the new sales money.

I was a day or two away from handing them a check for the White Gen 2 R8 Plus they had just a month or two ago. I was told the day before I was going down to get it that it had sold. I'm pretty sure they said it way on consignment, I feel very lucky as I would have been out a lot of money. I wonder if that car was also tied up in this mess.

Clay said that he wants to be lifelong friends with Shane. In a million years could you see that happening?

Don't buy luxury items if you can't afford it twice.

Cars are definitely being sent overseas. Hope the feds have Clay's passport. Feel sorry for all the victims. I think the best thing you can do is get in touch with the FBI honestly. Time is of the essence

Holy crash and burn ! Wowzers!

I feel California DMV is also part of the problem.

Good advice !

The same thing happened in Wisconsin under the names Backwoods Bargains and Standard Pre-Owned.

Pity Doug hasn’t put out a video statement saying people should beware of CNC, considering his back catalogue of reviews relying on and giving credence to CNC remain up on YT. Good work NGS!

This needs more attention because CNC motors isn’t going anywhere and they’re going to continue to screw people over

Appropriately risk averse take on it. Any allegations of alleged impropriety cannot be ignored and must be satisfactorily resolved/explained before business should be done. Caveat Emptor and whatever the consignor version is in latin.

Whoa - mind blowing ;)