My Problems With 3D World In Super Mario Maker 2 

One issue you forgot about is the exclusion of one-way gates. They are so helpful for stopping levels breaking and preventing cheese. And that’s why the exclusion of them is very infuriating.

Funny how two of the missing features are actually in 3D World itself. (Enemy stacking and tracks)

I feel like 3D world in MM2 just feels like something is missing every time I see it.I can’t put my finger on what tho,maybe it’s the lack of old enemy’s ,or something like that,also I wish they added more bosses to the game from 3D world,hisstocrat,and more would be really cool,and they can be used for such great concepts

Get this: The night themes for 3d world are properly coded. I used the black hole glitch on a level and got them to work before that glitch was patched, swapped a sun into a moon, and it actually used the mechanics of the night theme.

My biggest problem with the 3D World style is that people rarely make good levels in that theme and all the popular ones are only Refreshing Levels.

My theory is they intended for the second extra style to be SMB2, but for one reason or another they had to scrap it and just made the SMB2 mushroom an SMB1 powerup.

Funny thing is stacked goombas should be a simple thing to program into the 3d world style considering your able to stack in the main 4 styles.

3D World can be a fun bonus mode but honestly the game would have been better if the resources for it were allocated to improving other styles/game overall.

They really should have made 3D World compatible with the other four style. Especially when that was the point of Super Mario Maker 1.

As mentioned in the video, a very annoying thing in Super Mario 3D world is that tracks aren't available, which is basically one of the fundamental part of complex contraptions, an even more annoying thing also mentioned in the video is that it works PROPERLY even using a glitch that can put items from the other 4 style in 3D world. Usually, the excuse that Nintendo use is that said non implemented items aren't in the base game, and so I bring up the most frustrating thing is that TRACKS ARE IN THE MAIN GAME OF 3D WORLD! There is literally no reason not to implement it, it works properly and it's in the original game, I really don't know why.

The lack of noteblocks also means no 3D World music levels. If you search for easy music levels in the 3D World style its all "refresh" levels

A few smaller things you missed are: -Fire Bars, they are in 3D world, but not the 3D world style. -No ground decorations like flowers, bushes, statues, etc. -Starting ground and goal ground cannot be 1 tile tall. -The ugly base that Bill Blasters have when they are taller than 2 tiles.

Thank you so much for addressing the semi-solids, so little people talk about them when discussing 3D World when honestly little has pissed me off more in the 3D World style then the semi-solids as they’re just unbelievably clunky and awkward to work with. Not to mention the fact that there’s only one variant per style + the absence of vines makes the amount of decorative options in the style super limited. I guess there’s trees but those are so big and so awkward to use as well. Thankfully the style at least looks really nice and the shading and animations for everything are pleasing, but god is the amount of stuff you can do visually to enhance 3D World levels limited.

Hey Odyssey, you should rank all the enemies in MM2. You’ve ranked all the bosses, so you could possibly rank the enemies.

10:18 had Mii rolling and crying

Your right I hate that there’s 3 bosses. I made a level based on bowsers fury and I could really use some more boss fights. I could vibe with a prince bully or a fury bowser or even just normal bowsers.

I hate how Porcupuffer is exclusive to it despite originating in older Mario games,

The fact that most items work from 3D World items in the other styles, and the other styles item in the 3D World style by glitching them in is absolutely frustrating.

I definitely agree, the lack of semi solids make it very hard to add aesthetics to a level and just make them feel empty. And yes, the no tracks make no sense at all.

Things 3d world needs Night Tracks Shells Fire bars More semisolids (Better ones,Bridges,Mushroom Platforms)

One thing I like is to use the semi-solids is to make part of any level in an outdoor setting look like it’s indoors.

Spikes. Single spikes that don’t change. Aren’t affected by on/off blocks or a timer. WHY DO THEY NOT HAVE SINGLE SPIKES.

For me it’s just so underwhelming. There aren’t nearly as many options in it as the other gamemodes in addition to the fact that it’s not compatible with them. Also the bosses SUCK in 3D World and there is such a small selection of them.

I always love seeing your transtions. Every single different one you do for this video, and heck all of your videos (at least that you have done transtions for) are amazing. It really shows all the time and effort you put in to creating these videos for everyone to watch. Can't wait to for the Super Mario Odyessy power moon rank video. With 880 moons (counting Toadette [820 not counting] if included in the video) it will surely have a ton of transtions. I know in your videos it's not all about the editing, it's about the content (in this case sharing your opinions). If you see this Odyessy Central, thanks for making amazing content that kept me watching since 2019! Let's all hope for a good year for gaming and the world.

In my opinion, the only 2 themes the chain linked fence semi solids fit in are the underground and castle themes.

*TL;DR* Mario Maker 2 should've had more updates One problem I have with Mario Maker 2 as a whole is that they stopped the updates too early. There was still SO much potential for MM2, but they end the game after like only 2 major updates or something. And for what? To make Mario Maker 3? Why not just add all of that stuff in Mario Maker 2? If 3 was going to stand out as it's own game, it will have to do something RADICALLY different from what is already possible in Mario Maker 2, otherwise, it might as well just be DLC for 2. Adding some new elements and pieces is not going to make MM3 hold itself up. Oh yeah, and the Porcupuffer and Fire Bro being exclusive to 3D World is really stupid too

Something that immediately perplexed me in 3D world was no enemy stacking. Like guava towers were a main staple of that game.

Odyssey: "You'll have to start all over again" Undo-Dog: *Am I a joke to you?*

I completely agree with all of your points. I really think Covid screwed us over with this. When they were doing updates was pretty much when we (and Japan) had lockdowns. I think they just turned out what they could - reducing the SMB2 and Super Mario Land styles to just power-ups in SMB1 mode and not adding to 3D world. If I had to guess, they probably didn't bother adding to 3D world BECAUSE they were planning those other two styles. Had they known that those other two styles were going to get scrapped anyway, they probably would've made more of an effort to just make the 3D World compatible with the other styles.

Fun Mario Maker trick if you place a semi-solid in the areas where meowser is whenever he jumps into the lava or into the bottomless pit he is rigged to climb back up toward you rather than cheap-shotting you from the background

My BIGGEST complaint easily is the lack of track items. I do quite a bit of technical stuff with some of my levels. It’s really hard to actually do technical stuff in 3D world.

I know it would have been hard to code but it would have been cool if in this mode you actualy created 3D Levels

One minor thing that irks me about 3DW is that if a bomb is inside of a dotted-line block and then you hit a switch to make that block solid, the bomb just dies without exploding. It makes it harder and slower to have contraptions that use bomb explosions because you have to drop a bullet bull launcher on them instead. And there’s no equivalent to a muncher either which means that bullet bull launchers have to be a taller substitute (and they use up a lot of vertical space!)

There is a super amazing feature in 3d world. You can kill the player for having a key. This can be used to make pacifist and save the enemies levels, and it could make for some precise platforming too. Also, there are don’t jump detectors.

Happy New Year to you. My biggest problems with 3D World are the lack of semisolid options and the fact that clear pipes can't be connected to each other so we could make a section similar to the one in the first level of World 6 of 3D World.

i loved using the hats and thwomps in the 3d world style. there was a lot of weird limits and stuff i didnt care for but flat thwomps, the propeller and bullet caps are some of my favourite items added to the game

Happy 2022, and a great video to start off the year!

8:32 the most annoying thing about that is that Nintendo already made a texture for the tracks in the main 3D World game in the level Switchboard Falls

Maybe in addition to the tracks they could add in the arrow platforms that go in whichever direction you stand. Anybody with me?

9:01 No more are the intimidating Goomba Towers. Me : *You're Goddamn Right*

I was thinking... If Nintendo added 3D Land except of 3D World, we could have real semi-solid platforms and rails, because rails exist in 3D Land.

I think the biggest problem with 3D world is that a majority of its parts are so niche and can't be utilized beyond their intended purpose. For instance, the Koopa car is painstakingly useless outside of racing levels ( -and even then the controls are too janky and awkward to justify its use- ). We can't swap out the Koopa for a different enemy, boss or item AND we don't even have the option to just put down an empty car, which is frankly insane. Most (if not all) 3D World exclusions have no justifiable reasoning behind them which honestly makes me feel that Nintendo wanted 3D World to be different for the sake of being different.

The worst part of 3D world is how Fire Bro and Porcupuffer are exclusive to it

I think that 3D World Style isn't bad Pom Pom and Boom Boom are like Koopalings but Meowser is the Combo of Bowser Jr and all Koopalings *Combined*

Blue shell, hammer suit, ice flower, nintendo surely is saving up some cool stuff for a future entry for sure

5:41 RIP Odyssey's Joy-cons :(

Fun fact: enemy stacking originated in 3D world, yet we're not allowed to stack enemies in the 3D world style

Happy new year Odyssey Central!

No matter what I still love SMM2 but yeah they should've implemented it better

The jump at 4:32 is extremely cool. It's so Nintendo of Nintendo to make climbable walls exclusive to 3DW even though they originated from SMW & are most famous for being in SMW. It's also classically Nintendo that they made porcupuffers exclusive to 3DW & didn't at least put boss bass in SMB3.

OBJECTION. Twisters can literally hold Meowser without him jumping of screen!

happy new year odyssey sorry about you not hitting 100k but at least you're at 84k

10:15 lol what the heck is that level

8:42 I like that transition there lol

5:43 Oh no not joy con drift

When i first heard that this style was in the game, i thought you would be able to make 3d levels. (i didn't watch trailers or have the game)

1:14 I'm 96% certain Super Mario Bros 2. was going to be a nee Extra Game Style, but when sales didn't match their expectations they prefered just making it a power-up

my biggest problem is that theres no small spike block. all we got was the unnecessarily large and ugly spike blocks that are much worse.

While not related to this video, I sincerely hope you one day get to make the ranking all moons in Mario Odyssey as that is exactly the kind of video I'd watch :P

i wanted tracks in 3d world so much i had a dream it was added in their and when i woke up i was so sad

5:47 mmmm joy con drift. Gotta love it

Another thing relating to your Smash nitpick video: As of update 8.1.0, which added the "Small Battlefield" stage, the three Battlefields and Final Destination let you play EVERY song in the game.

I would have loved a yoshis Island and mario galaxy in extra game styles

Happy New Years Odyssey! 🥳

Somebody: The track block is a good replacement for the tracks in 3D World. Odyssey Central wants to know: Your current location

"QUICK!, we need a big new thing for this game!" "UHHHH, 3D WORLD" "ALRIGHT GET PROGRAMMING" "SIR, WE DONT HAVE ENOUGH TIME!" "WE GOTTA GET SALES NOT TIME!"

4:11 is unironically the best line in this video

I love that the final boss music from Super Mario Galaxy was played to express your anger towards Nintendo for them not adding the tracks while some players were able to glitch it into the game style.

I remember I saw a photo that showed 3d world enemies if they were in the 3 older Styles (minus Mario u) and that was made by one fan, imagine what a whole team Could do

"You'll have to start all over again" Undo dog: Am I a joke to you?

The fact that it should be easy to program a prince bully since nintendo can just edit the bully texture and place the program of fire piranha plants into it

3D World: *has goomba towers* Mario Maker 2’s 3D World Game Style: *has no enemy stacking*

Im SO glad they added on-off blocks into 3d world after a short while. If that didnt happen that would 100% be the worst thing about the 3d world style

Monty Mole did appear in 3D Land though. They could've added that one in the 3D World style.

Bro the sound effects in this are absolutely killing me 😆

3:41 I agree, I think hisstocrat, bross brolder and King Ka-thunk (ka-thunk would be a Background boss) should also be in the boss selection too.

instead of erasing the intire level in 3dw they should have only replaced the stuff that’s not in the style and maybe swap stuff with other stuff for example since spike top and ant trooper act similar have spike tops turn into ant troopers

5:42 Joy Con Drift, been there, buddy.

I remember having a dream where there was a new actually good update with many new bosses and Super Mario Bros 2 game style which I have always wanted

I am making a game in 3D world and the game looks great. I really love 3D world because it doesn't late make horrible levels. It makes your level look more traditional.

I got an alternate costume Smash nitpick: The Dark Link alt is player 8's color for regular Link and Young Link, but player 6's for Toon Link. Why?

I struggle so much with 3D world to come up with something creative, this is why I prefer Mario U is my favourite game style

When i made a super world, i wanted to do a boss rush At the end of the super world, but only a Small part of them could fit, If i used 3d world most bosses and enemies arent present to make it all work.

People who find meowser to be a hard boss whatever you do do not give him wings. It will add more moves to his move set.

Just want to point out that Odyssey promised at 0:45 to make a video ranking every odyssey moon if he reaches 100K subs by the end of the year. It's 2022 now, so he has an entire year to reach his goal and make that ranking!

5:41 I'm pretty sure your control sticks were drifting. That made me have to give up Super Mario Maker 2 temporarily when it happened to my Pro Controller.

Imagine if the 3d world levels had invented everything missing in this style, and invented a bunch of the new items backported into the older styles.

Semisolids: GASP, HELP I CAN’T BREATHE, oh, thanks for the air man.

It’s so irritating how many limitations there are. Many times I’ll go to make a contraption just to find the parts arent there

I’m surprised the lack of the bumper wasn’t mentioned

Make an in-depth video about springs, POW-blocks, P switches or ON/OFF blocks. Don't care which of the 3, i was curious about all of these :)

I’ve only made one 3D world level and it’s a joke level that’s only in that theme cus I needed the bell for one decoration piece

3D world is my favorite style but it is missing a lot of the utility from the original 4

shellmets: do not exist oddysey: no shellmet = no timer spikeballs: am i a joke to you

one thing that is good about 3D world for contraptions is you don't need a gizmo for global ground, cloud blocks work just fine

While am working on make a super world and making levels for Super Mario 2D World using this style, after recently getting and playing Super Mario 3D World+ Bowser's Fury, the style really lacks alot of things. There isn't nearly enough background styles. We could've had more sky level themes but instead we just get circus. And making sky levels with this circus theme feels out of place. A problem with Mario Maker is there just isn't enough level backgrounds in the game compared to the games they come from. Super Mario 3D World has so many environments that Mario Maker 2 only gives a fraction of it. Atleast with the other styles we can have sky levels in the clouds but in 3D World its a Circus theme making it out of place. Also the lack of semi solid varients makes it inconsistent and hard to work with. While 3D World is a nice game style for being an "Extra Game Style" it should've had more content, not less content than the other 4. The lack of stuff like rails and One way doors speak for them selfs as we wonder why couldn't they be in 3D World. We can't stack enemies in 3D World when in the original game stacked enemies are in the game. There is so many differences between 3D World and all the other styles which makes it not as used as the others due to the limitations and Nintendo refusing to change anything after 3 updates. Also Mario Maker should be a game getting content in the regular with weekly or monthly updates adding styles adding new items , not a game that needs a sequel just to add a few things here and there and then abandon it for other projects. Yes I know thats how nintendo runs most of their games, they release, they update it for bug fixes and then leave it be since they have to work on other projects, but the concept of Mario Maker should be a game getting updated on the regular, not just having 3 updates and then getting abandoned.

Honestly I feel like SMM2 should've been released in 2020 instead of 2019. Not only would it have been given more time to have all the features of the updates and more in the release version and more time could've been allocated to fix the currently existing problems with the game, but it would've very nicely coincided with both Mario's 35th Anniversary and Super Mario 3D World's announcement for Switch. We could've even gotten an update with Bowser's Fury elements, that would've been so cool.

You said that the tracks can be glitched in 3D World but a guy named Psycrow made once a glitch level with night time effects in 3D World

I would say that 3D world style is great and things that it already have inside make it unique... and refreshing levels are mostly fault of creators...

semi-solid is my favorite item, it servs for any level