My Response to Andy Stanley's LGBTQ Sermon | Ep 904 

Thank you for sharing. May the Lord bless and keep you!

Glory to God 🙏🏼 God bless you Aron ❤️

Thank you for sharing, Aaron. This gives hope to the thousands who are coming here that freedom *is* possible when we surrender ourselves fully to Jesus. He makes all things new. Bless you, brother 🙏

Praise God!

​@@justchantell1wish I knew one of my sons is gay and I pray God will do a mighty work with in him

Amen!!!!!

Amazing testimony ❤ may God bless you.

i dont know you but am so proud of you , your profile picture alone shows the love of God shining out of you

Amen sister. I also had gotten separated from the flock separated by sin/shame from my precious savior Christ Jesus. I lived a lustful lifestyle that included having homosexual sex with a few women I was an oppressed slave to sin. After Christ found me and I became born again it’s been so wonderfully freeing thanks to or savior.

Beautiful

I never said being raped leads to bisexuality or lesbianism. That’s what pushed me to hate men and open the door to being with women in my teens. That was my experience not everyone else’s. Thank you for expanding on MY vulnerable experience. Having the need to elaborate on yours. God bless you.

@robertstephenson6806 you think you're an expert on everyone else's story because you were gay? Sexual assault absolutely can lead to all kinds of sexual deviance. How many of you were molested by pedophiles or groomed? Because THAT is the real story. It's not genetic. It doesn't run in the family...unless your family is full of predators or groomers.

@@jasminetallon he's a buffoon. Molestation, rape, incest... those are the most prevalent reasons for someone to turn to unnatural desires. You don't trust men so you seek out women. The boys are treated to abhorrent practices so that anything tame doesn't give them the pleasure they seek so their desires become worse and worse. Sounds like he comes from a family full of predators to me. Homosexuals aren't born, they're created by man. Monsters aren't born either: they're created by other monsters. So glad God restored your life. ❤

@robertstephenson6806 Is it really your place to say what rape leads to? Have you been raped? Your comment is extremely disrespectful and showed a lack of understanding.

In John, Jesus tells the woman at the well to go, tell the people what I have done for you. She just went to the city and testified about her story...that's what Christ tells us to do, that's what you are doing. People clapped back at Him...and they will definitely clap back at you when you testify. But that's ok! Stand strong! Just keep on doing what God wants you to do...testify!, He will take care of the rest. ❤

Absolutely spot on! I am joyful in your redemption!

Amen!!! His kindness leads to repentance: Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? Romans 2:4 ESV Be well and be at peace.

So beautifully written! I had the same experience of a humble heart asking God to show me the truth. He led me out of 20+ years in the occult and into His arms.

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My husband and I have a Grand daughter that says that she is either by-sexual or homosexual. We are praying for her everyday. And it is hard for us to make sure we are handling it correctly. We love her where she is at but she knows we do not support it and we had to set a few boundaries regarding holidays and our younger children and grandchildren in our home. Which she respects. But I love her and I hug her everytime I see her. She is wonderful, smart and has a lot to offer this world. But my heart is heavy for her soul

Amen.

Not disagreeing with the point, not at ALL. But doesn’t Paul Washer believe God chooses hell for people?

​@@GratiaPrima_ all of humanity was going to Hell after Adam and Eve sinned. God is intervening with the gospel and salvation.

@@GratiaPrima_ I have not been listening to him long enough to be able to comment.

We want it all, don’t we.

That was angel. This is such a cool story, God Bless you and thank you for sharing!

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I want to learn to say “and”…

Praise the Lord for God sent this man to you that day!! That’s His love for you!! He goes after the one!! ❤️🙌

What a testimony. I pray for you, beloved Ellie🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

What does Romans chapter 1 say?

I concur. Thank God for people that will not be sold or bought and still adhere by what God's Word says to us His people. He loves everyone and wants everyone to be saved. But we won't be saved in our sins.

Amen!!!

So whens the last time you guys went out and got two doves to sacrifice so the priest could put its blood on the alter. Or are we just going to only care about certain bits of the bible and not the whole thing. is there any mixed fabric in your closet? do you own gold jewelry? YEAH the bible litterally sais you can't do that! Or braid your hair! I have tattoos, leave Gay people alone and come out and attack me.

Anything right that he might say is overwritten by how wrong he is on major things.

Yes

Exactly! He is communicating Sin is ok! Avoid him!

Amen, your story reminded me when I was 13 I was at camp sharing a tent with a 15 yr old. He asked me to have relations with me. I said no. Today is a full blown homosexual. He looks very wrapped up in that lifestyle. The Devil tries to get young people when they are away from their families even at church camp. I remember after he asked and I said no, that I was very scared he might try to force me. So I zipped up my sleeping bag real tight. Thank the Lord he didn't try.

Your camp counselor did Not love you. Love wants what is best for the other person. This was just lust. Thankful for your mom!

Great testimony Be so so thankful you had good parents who cared enough to protect you. That is so lacking 😊

I like Tim.

@@getrit3007 What about 1 Cor 6:9-11? Do not be deceived!

Romans chapter 1. Why does one burn in their lust toward the same sex?

@@getrit3007 what does Romans 1 explicitly say? Why does it happen? You either believe the Bible or you don’t. Your choice.

@@getrit3007 of course I do. And that doesn’t change what Romans chapter 1 says. Any one is capable of committing natural sins. But enjoying committing unnatural sins comes from rejecting God. Read Romans chapter one. Your argument is with God, not me. Nothing you can say is going to make the following not true: “Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭24‬-‭28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Wow...

Well said… thank you for your honesty!

This! Perfectly said. It’s soooo hard. I don’t envy you.

May I ask how you balance both? If your child is in a relationship, do you have them both over for holidays, family get togethers? I know of many who live the homosexual lifestyle that insist on all or nothing regarding their relationships and when the parent doesn't welcome their partner with open arms, they cut all ties.

@@mommymaureen We are made right with God through repentance. We cannot have a "relationship" with Him without repentance. Christian parents cannot "welcome their partner with open arms" as if they are okay with the relationship. They MUST maintain their disapproval even if the cost is "they cut all ties." There is nothing wrong with extending grace and having them over for the holidays as long as it is understood that their behavior cannot be on display in your home. The child should honor your faith and NOT require you to approve of what you know to be sin. The price for following Christ faithfully is people will often ostracize you because you live for Him. That's also true for children who require their parents to choose between them and faithfulness to the Lord. It is far better for them to "cut ties" with you than for you to accept their sinful relationship. Just let the wayward child know that repentance is the way back (Luke 15:17-19). Blessings

Why do churches not stand by the scriptures concerning divorce?

Um does your husband know your here. According to Timothy, you shouldn't have a voice on church topics. I also would like to know if you even read the entire bible or if you guys just cherry pick what you feel like being upset about. I have never once seen christians go after people wearing blended fabrics, even though the bible forbids that. It also forbids, gold jewelry, braided hair, touching anyone who is menstraiting and a number of other things. Do you guys know what it means to be unclean, when is the last time you offered a goat for sacrifice. Whens the last time christianity came after tattooed people. It sais not to tattoo yourself. People just cherry pick out of the bible what they think should be ignored. They might say the rules about braided hair and gold jewelry and cotton polyester blends are silly and outdated. But the rules about gay people. tisk tisk, lets all get our stones out. You guys either need to follow every single rule or leave gay people alone imo.

@@JessicaMessicaTV It definitely appears that you have been cherry picking based on your inaccurate post.

Andy Stanley doesn’t even believe that the Bible is the word of God

@@JessicaMessicaTV wow you have twisted and distorted the Bible to suit your own needs and stated some bold face lies

Amen

yes, he will be held accountable for every person he leads ASTRAY

Millstones

You mean misleads

Amen. Would his father agree with this? Has he always preached this way?

You don't go to heaven by pleasing God. We would all fall short. You can't sin away salvation. If you willfully continue in sin and ignore the Holy Spirits conviction you will be miserable. Your saved by faith alone not works.

@@Fambone-om8tdFaith without works is dead.

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@@MeganJohnson913so what then you lose your salvation??? Because you have faith good works will come out. You think you need to perform to gain salvation??? That is simply not biblical.

Karen. does your husband know your here. Timothy sais your not supposed to have your own voice on church topics. have you guys ever even read the entire bible or if you guys just cherry pick what you feel like being upset about. I have never once seen christians go after people wearing blended fabrics, even though the bible forbids that. It also forbids, gold jewelry, braided hair, touching anyone who is menstraiting, touching anyone whos had sex lately, and touching anyone who has recently given birth. Do you guys know what it means to be unclean, when is the last time you offered a goat for sacrifice. Whens the last time christianity came after tattooed people. It sais not to tattoo yourself. People just cherry pick out of the bible what they think should be ignored. They might say the rules about braided hair and gold jewelry and cotton polyester blends are silly and outdated. those aren't important anymore. But the rules about gay people. tisk tisk, lets all get our stones out and make a huge deal about it.

Is it possible that he's doing this because his son is gay. Parents can tell you it's wrong, and then what? Should you not come to family dinners? If your family won't allow your partner to come, should they never see you again? I believe the answer is...Choose God over everything; therefore, if I won't allow your partner to come then you won't come, and I'll have to love you from a distant. However, I imagine, because I'm not a parent, that it's very hard for a parent to do. So maybe we should pray for the parents strength to be able to lose that parent/child relationship in order to stand on the truth.

He's been going astray since before his father died.

HOW ABOUT THE FUCK NOT! Honestly, thats child abuse. If God condones that, He's no god of mine.

Correct!!!!@@fh1980ram

They would call you a bigot for that. My, my what an upside down world we live in.

No, it’s not your identity but it does make a statement about your beliefs…and beliefs are what makes you, you 🤷‍♀️ (As a man thinketh…)

It's not your identity but it is a part of it. Being Gay is certainly part of peoples identity. No ones sexuality is thier whole identity. But thats really not the point of any of this really.

@@patgruzenski4024 I disagree, my beliefs are my beliefs and are indicative of what actions I may take at certain points, but my beliefs did not and do not make me. I believe Christ is my savior, does that make me saved or does it make me Christ. Enough on the shallow thoughts.

Homosexuality was forcefully turned into an "identity" by people like Freud et al. and passages like Romans 1. Marginalized "identities" are created by the people doing the marginalization. It was these that defined gay people as a separate class of person. The reality for gay kids growing up in a religious environment is that it is not enough to simply not "act on it." Merely being attracted to the same sex, regardless of what one does, would (if discovered) result in hostility. First, there is no shortage to the lurid and unflattering theories that have been generated to explain same-sex attraction. Second, merely abstaining would attract unwanted attention. Spouses have an expectation that the other party is genuinely attracted to them, so heterosexual marriage is a bad option, but remaining single makes one an object of suspicion. Third, (building on the first one) in Christianity, there's been a lot of promotion of theories about homosexual attraction being a manifestation of a thoroughly pervasive character disorder. Hence the popularity of Paul Cameron's deceptive "research" erroneously linking same-sex attraction to such things as murder and child rape.

‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:1‭-‬4‬ ‭KJV‬‬ [1] Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; [2] by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. [3] For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; [4] and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Eternal Life is The Gift of God (by His Grace) through faith in His Son Jesus. Jesus' life, death, burial and resurrection. If you believe in Jesus you are eternally secure because it is The Gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast that he has a hand in his own salvation. Not true. God reconciled the word back to Himself through Jesus' sacrifice. All you have to do is believe Him. Salvation and discipleship are separate. Serving God comes after being saved. We don't do anything but take God at His Word. Once you believe The Gospel you are born again by God's Spirit, you are now a child of God and His Spirit is with you always. God never leaves nor forsakes His children. God is so good, His Love for His creation is so much bigger than us mere humans could ever comprehend in this flesh. ‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‭-‬18‬ ‭KJV‬‬ [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. [18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8‭-‬10‬ ‭KJV‬‬ [8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] not of works, lest any man should boast. [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. ‭‭John‬ ‭6:40‬ ‭KJV‬‬ [40] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

This is it exactly!

The gospel cant even get Josephs geneology strait. Ironically I don't understand why it was listed, if Jesus is gods baby, not Josephs.

@@JessicaMessicaTV Jesus is the promised "seed" from Abraham. Jesus is The Messiah that was spoken of throughout the old testament. The One Who would come into the world and reconcile the world back to God. He did all that was spoken of in the old testament and fulfilled the prophecies that spoken of Jesus. The bible is incredible. No man could write what's written in there and for everything to play out exactly as it has. God is real, Jesus is Lord.

Exactly. Then Jesus died for nothing then. Then there would be no Gospel.

Obviously

Andy Stanley would rather tickle the ears of the world, then to preach the word of God

You hit the nail on the head

Exactly ... no wonder our kids of today are so easily confused and many mislead.

Same here. My daughter is living with a man AND his wife AND his 3 yo son. Pray, pray, pray.

Is your name really Selena Gomez or are you just a fan? Because SG definitely has sex outside of marriage.

They will not understand sin unless they are born again. Preach the gospel to them then pray God opens their eyes.

Pray without ceasing! Continue to run your race! Do not grow tired and weary of doing good! You may be their only intercession to God and I believe you will see fruit!!!

@@Heather.Isaiah43.1 My kids have increased my prayer life for this vary reason

Agree. I think that's a big part of it. A lot of "straight" people have come to rationalize and accept heterosexual sexual sin in their own lives or in the lives of their children and rightly see it as hypocritical for them to then disapprove of homosexual sexual sin. The problem though is not that they disapprove of homosexual sexual sin but rather that they do not disapprove of all sexual sin.

I agree

Love this comment.

This is great comment. Very accurate and insightful.

Exactly ! 👏🏼

Jesus didn’t condemn gay people.. St. Paul did.. although the kiss of peace referenced by Apostles created a culture of same sex intimacy that which later became cheek to cheek signals… it was for centuries lip to lip.. men with men, women with women.. and considered MORAL until the church revoked the meaning of the holy kiss to being too gay to continue. An introduction of metal metal plates to receive a kiss and the cheek to cheek motion was adopted.. HOWEVER.. the Protestant churches never mention the encouraged holy kiss of peace to kiss their brethren and women.. the hand shake is now the most watered down version of the kiss of peace.. Why this is important is because the sexual morality of the apostles was SUBJECTIVE! The same laws for homosexuality exists for blood consumption.. which applies to medium rare steak. Yet we don’t see a crusade against steakhouses. A sin against nature is something St. Paul claimed.. even telling the Greeks long hair was feminine and a sin for a man. But by modern standards St. Paul wore a dress and kissed men routinely. And I will refer to St. Peter’s conversion of the gentiles which came from a REVELATION that God made what was unclean now clean.. And Jesus gave St Peter the keys to heaven.. to approve anything on earth with the approval of God. This basic rule gives the church the option of considering LGBTQ matters..

You’re forgetting the part, where when Jesus hung out with those sinners, he told them to go and send no more he didn’t tell them to live, live in their sin, and be proud of it

@@paulan7218 Until the law be fulfilled... which was with resurrection. The only law: ''You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.'' The rest of which followed was Catholic cannon law.. which is based on various councils from the 1st century to present.. Its all subjective from onwards of st peters church being given the keys of heaven. Working on the sabbath day is normal in all of society, yet you want to berate lgbtq People? Protestantism is about being free from the laws of moses and the church... If you guys want to reject the church.. you are engaged in heresey, so who are the heretics to berate other so called heretics?

To condemn anyone isn’t even my place. It’s the quickest way I know to end a conversation. To honestly answer one’s question with the truth, is to simply point it out. What they do with the truth is their privilege, same as it is mine, and yours. Was Paul actually condemning the sinner, or the sin itself? Look again. If you read the rest of the paragraph, as it were, you will notice that he continued by saying, “And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.” That clearly states that he was speaking to an audience who had once been guilty of these sins themselves. Much like we all have. Whatever sin (notice homosexual is among long list of possible sins) is keeping you separated from God, can be forgiven, cleansed, and made whole. I find it noteworthy, that out of the entire list of sins mentioned in this one passage, that homosexuality is the only sin that your argument is tethered tightly to. I’m so sorry, but your premise becomes a little bit difficult to follow due to the lack of complete thoughts, punctuation, etc. Just look, my grammar, it’s nothing to brag about either. I ran it by a better educated, transgender friend of mine also with a biblical background, for any possible clarification. She wasn’t able to help me, so we spent a good bit of time doing our best to gain understanding. Your thoughts, are very much worth it. I would love to hear your clarification. I’m also neither Catholic, or a student of the church history of the kiss of peace that you base your premise on. Neither am I familiar with the subjective morality of the apostles, nor your source of information. I would be very interested to consider it though. What I do know is that Jesus chose them, but never addressed their morality in scripture. That seems counterintuitive, when I think about it. He certainly dealt with the immorality with of woman at the well. She was so deeply grateful for what He had done for her that she ran home without water, or her pots, to tell everyone she knew who she had found and what He had done for her. To the woman caught in adultery, He said, “Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more”. As you wisely pointed out He didn’t condemn people, He set them free, whoever wanted to be. No one ever kept a steakhouse open on my behalf, but that’s neither here, nor there. Are you familiar with Jesus saying, “He came to fulfill the law, not to abolish the law.”? I believe that is in answer to your legal contention regarding homosexuality and blood consumption. He fulfilled the ceremonial law (blood consumption) by His death and resurrection, thus making it useless. The moral law (homosexuality), that which represents God’s character, and civil law, remains unchanged. As for turning over the keys of the Kingdom, my contention is that the “approval of God” alone, is that it can be very subjective. When it is confirmed by the Bible, God’s revealed word, it becomes objective, and thus, completely reliable. I’d love to continue this conversation!

@@nancykruger1392 hi, I’ll start by clarifying the law. The council of Jerusalem concluded a law of the gentiles, this referred back to the laws of Noah.. consumption of blood and sexual morality were both mentioned. This is found in book of acts. St. Paul recalls in Romans that the gentiles without the law do by nature the things contained in the law and are a law to themselves.. They forbid the consumption of blood yet Jesus said what comes out of your mouth defiles and not which enters it…… As for sexual morality, we have sex slaves from conquest that were permitted, and rape victims forced to marry their rapist. Also age consent is not so detailed. References to marriage in sexual ritual refer to puberty it is believed. But no references to pre marriage, nor age of consent. This opens the door to 10 year old children being married off to old people.. and this was also the case in the NT when the clergy of the churches were granted permission by St. Paul to give in to sexual temptation by marrying off daughters. This practice was throughout church history. Child grooming is not outlawed. The church cannot explicitly approve of homosexuality because it cannot find a derived reason to within the texts. However, I make the same comparison for people who like eating beef. It’s held in moral equivalence. I like my steak so I guess that puts me in the same boat with the homosexuals.. and who knew all the original Christian’s were not shaking hands but kissing? These things are hidden from Christians today, but it’s attested to by early church writings and minor New Testament references. Same sex oral affection is permitted and was NORMAL for a long time.

Its called blasphemy and heresy

All the sins that we all naturally inclined to, or in us basically from our conception. We are all born from the get-go, being attracted and inclined toward a myriad of different sins… That is just how sinful beings are… But it’s not like saying, I was born with brown or blonde hair meaning, some thing that can never change, our sinful inclinations and sinful desires can always change and you’re absolutely right that is why we need the new birth.

People who were born gay were called to be the best among us IMO. They were put here to prove and to show that even sex is a resistible temptation which is not necessary for a fulfilling life - just as Jesus showed. They were put here to be the most charitable among us. Their purpose is one of the most difficult yet meaningful and impactful to fulfill - true selflessness, complete self discipline, and fulfillment in a spiritual marriage to Christ alone. I do not envy those who were born gay but I don’t have pity for them either because they were specifically chosen by God for a higher calling in life, a challenge which he would only entrust to the soul’s which he saw the deepest potential in. I admire on the most profound level those Christians who have spoken out about being sake sex attracted and continue to live out a truly Godly life. ❤ Your daughter is special and chosen by God. Continue loving her like you always have. Not all of us are capable of the willpower and exploration required to abstain from the sinful temptations within us, and we ALL have them. Plus, she was born into a society and time period that embraces and encourages sin on every level. I don’t blame her for faltering or being confused or misguided. It will hopefully all come together for her someday but even if it doesn’t, having the unconditional love and honesty from her Earthly father can hopefully be a sliver of a representation of the infinite love and full truth of her Heavenly Father. 🙏

Becket Cook Is a good resource he has SSA but is celibate

@@annb9029 I will always love her but my prayers are for the Holy Spirit to touch her heart and soul the way he did mine. Nothing is impossible with his grace and glory.

I feel your pain as our son is living a gay lifestyle and we are broken hearted. You are not alone. We must pray and turn them over to God for Him to work in their lives.

Yes

No, he’s not. I know him personally. Some may argue that he is taking the wrong stance on this issue, but I can assure you it comes from a good place after years of meeting with homosexuals and hearing their stories. He has tremendous empathy for them, but it doesn’t mean he is “gay affirming.” He is “human affirming,” and believes that if Jesus were still here, He would love them, not condemn them to hell as so many Christians have wrongly done. I think we need to stop depending on any human to tell us what the Bible says. Andy said himself that it’s a sin, but in that message, he emphasized his desire for us to love them, just as we love other sinners in our lives. I think most of his critics are missing the point. It’s not our place to judge and condemn them. That is God’s job, and His job alone. He always believes that condemning them will then them away from Christ, which could inevitably lead them to a life free from homosexuality. Regardless, Andy is anything but a wolf in sheep’s clothing…he is doing his best to spread the message that he believes God has called him to spread. And that is a message of hope and love. I will also say that after listening to this video, I agree with Allie in that they could have chosen different speakers to help with the same issue, but he’s human and makes mistakes just like the rest of us. I can assure you there were no ill intentions regarding this conference.

@@sammig0203 You can be sincere in your teachings and still be wrong. As for the judging, you might want to read Matthew 7, it doesn't say not to judge, it says not to judge hypocritically. " Remove the speck out of your own eye first (THEN) you can remove the plank from your brothers"

They always start church with give me money money 🤑. Annoying

@@tonyajordan2702 who does?

Andy waited till his dad was long gone..sad

​@@aceofhearts0 Dr. Stanley was well aware of his son's drift, and he could have given out a cautionary word.... Instead he continually praised him, "I'm proud of you." Installed him without proper vetting, shooed into a job under his own administration, right out of seminary.

Charles Stanley was a big part of the problem. He put the church over his family and this led to a divorce. Andy and his sister suffered because of the sins of the parents. Then Charles told the church he would step down if he ever got a divorce. When he announced to the church he had officially divorced, he went back on his word and refused to step down. No wonder his wife felt the need to address the church and Charles' behavior towards her. No wonder Andy had to be the man in the room and tell his father and the church his father needed to step down.

​@bobjones9725 Charles did exactly what he was called to do. Your wife or husband do not come before God. Slandering his child wouldn't have suited him or anyone for that matter because Charles was very clear on his stance. Why should he have an obligation to put into lamens terms his beliefs when all he's done his entire life is announce his devotion to the Word of God and the law of the Bible. DO not tear down a man of God and place the sins of another man on his back after his passing.

@@bobjones9725 Charles Stanley's wife wanted the divorce. He did not. He never remarried because of it. He could not stop it.

I was raised methodist and what's going on in that church now breaks my heart! I was happy to see that the churches who have disaffiliated from UMC have started the Global methodist church, it looks true to its roots and very biblically based. Maybe there is one near you?

You truly did make the right decision..God brings us out of sin..🙏🙏

Good word. Amen.

Agree

Wait. So sin is dead? No sin? We can do whatever the hell we want?

what does that mean?

@@Unspun417 Romans 6:11-23.

@@youtubeKathy Romans 6:11-23 is really good news!

@@kellyatthedoublekranch5134 yes, but that is saying unite yourselves to Christ and sin no more? that doesn't contradict that we really believe. Believers still sin and need to confess and seek forgiveness. so I am not sure what you are saying. We don't need to worry about sinning? people can embrace a gay lifestyle, because christ died on the cross? Because that is the sin of presumption, that you can sin because God is good and he will forgive my sins...

Yea, that’s why I was blown away by every Christian’s support of Kat Von d after making a lust filled video, after baptism, claiming she’s not a “baby Christian” and there’s nothing wrong with her video. I’m still confused on that one.

If he thought it in his mind he already committed the sin.

Repent of sins is a false gospel. Repent means turn from unbelief to belief. You will never find Repent of sin in the kjv. You will find it in all the other religions though. Bc they think its what they do to get to heaven not what Jesus did

@@Mrs.JessRich Luke 5:32 Jesus said, “I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

@@Noname11364 yup! repentance is change of mind from unbeliefto belief.. righteous people don't need a saver! They think they have arrived. Even my good works are filthy rags. I am saved only because Jesus died for my past, PRESENT AND FUTURE sins. I cannot get to heaven on my behalf and I thank the Lord for saving me!!!!

exactly my parents church split about six years ago over whether or not to support the teachings of Andy Stanley

Yes, she is absolutely right about that. People are (rightly) only identified by their actual behavior, not by their desires. People experience all kinds of sexual desires or temptations, and that DOESN'T define who they are. A man who wants to have sex with another man, but doesn't do it, is NOT a homosexual, in the same way that a man who wants to have sex with his neighbor's wife, but doesn't do it, is not an adulterer ! In both cases they are just men being TEMPTED to sin.

Charles knew everything, saying publicly before dying, "Andy, I could nit be more proud of you!" SHAMEFUL!!

I disagree. But the danger is that he is influenced. I’m not going to give satan any exclusive credit . But we are not to be ignorant of his devices ( tactics) he’s fallen but defeated by our risen savior who is alive and sovereign. Satan my first entice you through questioning God. Nothing has changed there’s nothing new under the sun. It’s the same old method. To me , deception has to be in place and take root then rebellion follows behind. 😢

Stanley lied! His shaking of the legs and his high pitched voice gave it up. 😂😂😂 the Holly spirit is wrestling with him✝️

I would have, ugh so much of these wolf's, come as Angel's of light,true antichrist spirits at work😢

Our Identity is in Yahusha/YESHUA MESSIAH

He's more than a heretic, he is straight up an apostate. He has replaced the Gospel message with his own. He's an arrogant wolf leading people to Hell.

They should have!!!!

He is a wolf in sheep's clothing 💯

I've never seen him preach a biblical message at all. He's decided he is the Word and the authority, and that he is both smarter and more loving than God. He's an APOSTATE. You shouldn't listen to anything he says.

Jesus loved sinners and hated their sins. Often he ended" Go and sin no more."

Remember, Satan also, can quote scripture

He thinks he’s smart which is dangerous because he thinks he knows better than God’s word.

You are in right standing with God when you repented and put your full trust in Jesus Christ. Jesus' Christ's blood justifies you...that was the right standing you needed once and for all time. Now while living out your salvation..comes the sanctification part. This is the part of living out salvation where sin tries to chase believers but should become less and less of a matter. Be well and be at peace.

Ditto

We visited once in 2003 and something was off, but couldn't put our finger on it. But did observe that no one had a Bible....

The singles group there was a hotbed of fornication....I couldn't believe it. People using it like a harem. That was about 15 years ago

I feel the same way! I don’t know why, but I feel like he deals w these temptations as well. There’s just something about his “vibe”, for lack of a better word.

100% agree. I don’t know him but he gives off a gay vibe. I think he is secretly attracted to the same sex.

he was speaking like this, when his father was still alive. My parents church split over Andi Stanley‘s teachings, including this one over six years ago. He was more nuanced when talking about it back then, but if you were truly paying attention, it was still there.

YES he did! His father even sd publically , "Andy, I could not be more proud of you!" SHAME!

I agree with you, Allie. Stanley is a super-intelligent scholar, and I've learned so much from him. He's given some mind-blowing, excellent sermons. But there really isn't room for debate on this topic. It saddens me.

what is up with all the self-hate christians perpetuate? ffs people arent broken. objects get broken, people get hurt. there isn’t something inherently wrong with you or anyone else. why the pity party?

He loves us so much that he doesn't leave us the way we are some people are broken, hurt, abused, abandoned…Thank you Jesus for your daily mercy, faithfulness, and eternal life! Read John 16❤

And very few are saying (or even know) the word of God. If they would do it, there would be less arguments. Be well and be at peace.

If everyone was gay we would not exist. It goes against what we were created for. Seems simple to me. I believe that gay”ness” is a sinful urge, culturally spawned, and equates to any normal person who has urges to either steal, kill, cheat, etc. Culturally, society has been groomed in such a way that ALL of these sins, along with many more, are justified and excused for many different reasons.

Excellent post!

True, but also I think , like I told my daughter this morning when she was rocking back in a chair "it's important to use things in the way that the person who made it, designed it for, otherwise, you will eventually break it, or yourself". Don't lick dull knives because one day it'll be sharp and you'll cut your tongue. Use things for what they were designed for. Genitals are designed for reproduction, clearly. Using the back door is more likely to spread diseases due to the delicate nature of the tissue there. It will eventually cause bowel problems a lot of the time. And there will never be the gift of a child from it. Use things for what they were designed for and that includes body parts. In female relationships this is less obvious, however they still suffer from the highest rate of domestic violence than any other. You can't eat with your eyes. You can't rock on two legs of a chair. Eventually there will be problems because they weren't designed for that. (Or evolved because I feel like even atheists should be able to understand this). The lack of 'risk' of a child, just leads to a total lack of responsibility.

Doubt it, the way Charles Stanley conducted his marriage (got divorced), I'm not surprised that Andy Stanley came out as he did.

​@@tskjesusfreakhis wife demanded the divorce.

@@tskjesusfreak Charles Stanley was not the one who wanted the divorce, despite his wife leaving him, he honoured his vows and never remarried. What a hateful thing you've said!!

DO IT!!

Trent Horn coauthored an excellent book with Leila Miller titled “Made This Way: How to Prepare Kids to Face Today's Tough Moral Issues”. It addresses homosexuality and other objectively immoral sins of the flesh like pornography, cohabitation, reproductive technologies, transgenderism, etc. Hopefully this book gets some attention when Allie talks with Trent Horn.

I’m so ready for this!!

I totally agree

yeah it’s a lot harder to be bigoted against lgbt people once you get to know them.

​@@babs_babsI would disagree. It's my own forays into the area and watching and participating in it all that has led to my own distaste, and understanding of why it isn't ideal.

@@smallbeginning2 that’s super vague. how many lgbt people are you close with right now?

@@babs_babs 2, plus I was in a lesbian relationship a few years ago. Plus I went to a performing arts high school of which easily 80% of the guys are gay. I thought I was a gay man in a woman's body for awhile there. But, luckily , it was before that was 'possible' so people just looked at me weirdly. I used to go to drag shows at least once a month. I have been, seen, heard alllll of it.

@robertstephenson6806so did Dr Charles Stanley cheat on his wife?