My Samurai 6.1 Changes Thoughts - Since Everyone Will Want To Know Especially Yoshi-P 

Big agree.

BIG AGREE. it just made the job feel so cool and flashy to watch losing makes me a little sad :(

this is like the same shit that bummed me out about ninja losing shadow fang, i thought that was by far the coolest looking weaponskill ninja had, and losing it was upsetting.

@UCEuoEscT5b-zuMCPXJhJ4hQ The buff lasts for 10 seconds. It's not the game's fault you just sit on your hands.

100% agree, the flourish before the wind-up before you unload a bunch of damage. Most satisfying part of the job.

That will be a problem with 7.0 if they still have it in 7.0 though. They can replace Kaiten with third eye, which has damage reduction is better.

awful take

good take

The game will keep on getting easier and easier and more casualized with less buttons the more it goes on. We’ve seen it time and time again. The homogenization of tanks and healers in ShB, the removal of Hagakure in ShB (thankfully they had half a brain cell to put it back into the game but that clearly shows that no one there had any idea how SAM was properly played), the change in Trick attack, removal of ASTs old Cary system to replace it with a simple mainstreamed dps buff, tank stances generating 10x additional aggro, etc. I’ll give SE credit where credit is due, they know their audience. They know the large majority of their players suck at the game and just afk In Limsa while swiping on whatever new glam is put into the Mogstation. They know how to appease their whales.

The problem is used to buff only your iaijutsu. At that point you might as well just add the potency to the actual weapon skill. kaiten looks cool but its still button bloat. Shinten on the other hand at least requires more skill to well where you actually have to manage gauge compared to kaiten where you are just forced to use it before every iaijutsu. That said it is weird they chose kaiten as the place to fix button bloat

Get Fucked in all seriousness this bums me out too - but I like the change to Ogi, the damage variance between a normal hit and a crit/direct crit is absurd

I know that feel bro "also SAM main" , no more kaiten animation to dodge a mechanic (that reduces our style points also)...... sigh....

@@chael8423 God, I miss ARR samurai.

Maybe play a good job like bard

I changed from SAM main in ShB to RPR main in EW and even I feel like I got fucked from this change in case I ever want to go back. I agree completely that Kaiten should stay.

this is because Red mage has very very few “new” skills beyond a certain point while SAM gets new crap every 10 levels. Your 50 kit is basically your 90 kit and for that to apply to All jobs they need to severely water down the kits. Which I’d wager they are doing with the reworks as most are massive reductions

oh u mean like Bunshin into Kamaitachi, yea a free button plus a setup animation

@@TheGrandRevo still they adding to bloat, really certain skills should just change when you get to certain lvl like lvl 1 goes to lvl 2 simple things like this save button space

that's why they should all be sterilized

It's almost starting to feel deliberate at this point. Why else would they make healers less relevant with literally every expansion...?

Cute how people think theres actually more than one employee at SE that works on job design. Haha

FF14 balance swaying in WoW's direction is leaving me feeling like crap. Why do devs do this?

@@3lit3gn0m3 dev. Why does the dev do it*. There is only one dev working on jobs

@Greyson Midori Yes it does, on low ping that is.

Even xeno said the aame thing haha Welcome welcome, samurai, make ylurself at home here

Welcome, Samurai mains! - a SMN main

@@talancorwell Monks are already sitting there as well

I don't wanna be part of the club 😭

@@SambreakerSasaki none of us did. Just accept it.

I miss the attack you got after successfully mitigating an attack with Third Eye. That felt great.

@@xKALLx1 Seigan was so good. Being rewarded for Third Eye uses made the job great.

You do still get rewarded for third eye, only now you get kenki and just use it on the normal spender.

The game has a long, proud history of bumbling its way through job design.

i think more than anything the idea that removing a genuinely superfluous one-cooldown damage buff is a bad decision and actually changing how different classes' rotations flow is "superfluous" shows that the majority of samurai players are not old enough to be playing without their parents permission

I heard that the ‘button bloat’ quote is actually a mistranslation and that ‘action bloat’ would closer. The difference being that rather then trying to reduce the number of buttons you could press, they are attempting to reduce the number of buttons you would need to press in any one situation (like a burst window). Since you would never need to press Senei & Guren or Shoha & Shoha II in the same burst window it makes a bit more sense in this context why they would target Kaiten over them for removal. I still don’t like the change at all, but it makes a bit more sense in the context of the actual translation.

irrelevant. its not about cleaning up your bars its about being less busy for no reason

@@neximer1028 the problem with action bloat is that unless they change the cost of stuff or kenki generation the majority of the kaitens we would have pressed are still going to be around just as shinten instead. People have done rough math and at current costs the removal of kaiten during an encounter and turning all that kenki into more shintens ends up beings a reduction of less than one action per minute. It's an extremely small change that has created a not so small backlash.

@@saleenf5 ​ @saleenf5 When SE refer to action bloat, I think they mean 'the number of unique actions you have to worry about doing at any one point' and not APM. This makes more sense considering the changes they made and how they mentioned they were thinking of targeting classes like dragoon (which has middling APM, but due to the amount of oGCDs it has 'very busy' burst phases with lost of unique button presses). I'm not defending SE's actions, I hate the changes with a passion as a SAM main and think they were completely unnecessary and were a huge negative for the class in terms of feel and style. But it does make me roll my eyes when people bring up combining shoha I/II and senei/guren, which while not bad suggestions, don't make any sense given the above definition of 'action bloat' I certain SE is using to as you would *never* press shoha I AND II or senei AND guren in the same burst window.

I'm glad FF14 isn't my main game anymore. Yes I'm throwing a hissy-fit, but I'm not keep on waiting 5 months for them to MAYBE go "we did something unnecessary and want to revert it." I've about had it with triple-A game dev decisions. ALL THAT SAID, I'm enjoying the MSQ. Sad that it's all I'm looking forward to on my samurai...at least I still have Sage. :(

Cone is always bad. You need to properly aim character in the front of your bigger mobs. Otherwise, you just use it with lesser mobs. Like how you can properly aim your character correctly in the middle of big mobs while using tenka goken?? Making goken become a circle makes my play easier since i don't need to aim my character position anymore. Hate those cone attacks. Straight lines is better

After trying it out for a while, I can say I liked cone because you could stand outside of the AoE's in the middle of a mob pack and still do damage. Do you combo attacks to get Sen and by then mobs are putting down AoE's. So, you're gonna have to move out of them anyway. Move to a place where you can hit them in a cone and boom. The range and width of the cone was pretty generous. Now. the ring AoE around you feels tiny and if you have to move out of mob AoE's, you're probably going to end up missing some of them.

Yep

think harder

Coz now lots of casual players come. Imagine if it's like 2015-2018 era of FFXIV, with multiple modes and skill. Or what, learning all jobs to get a role skills?? Just appreciate that the job is become easier to use. Or do you prefer people need to play some complex thing to enjoy the game??

@@arolimarcellinus8541 my guy SAM was never hard to learn They removed a skill that didn't need to be deleted and as pointed out in the vid there are other skills that can be removed

I didn't particularly like dark arts since the animation didn't flow into the attacks that they buffed, and it felt spammy. But Kaiten? Flows into everything it buffs seamlessly, and it's not something you spam.

@@SavantUncensored its spammy in stormblood It was fine in HW And DRK was almost unkillable in dungeons because of it

@@andrewtimothy9792 So? It's like WAR now. Why not?

@@SavantUncensored heavensward is flowed a lot better since it ate a lot more mp. Although tbf Stormblood I dropped out of the game for an expac

im still wonderin why ikishoten and ogi are two separate buttons tbh

Lowering the skill floor is better right? More feasible by casuals. Why is that a problem??

@@arolimarcellinus8541 There's lowering the skill floor, and then there's digging it 6-feet under the fucking ground. None of the classes in the game are "difficult" to play. People not bothering to remember their classes caveats doesn't make an class instantly difficult. And even then, every class has their simple 1-2-3 rotation. If you're a casual, you can get by in the game just fine by doing your 1-2-3's and popping whatever skill CDs you see without any real rotation. But for players who actually enjoy learning a class and ways to be better at it, having it dumbed down to the ground is so sad.

@@lobelia5844 and well....coz if we still keep at the old ways of FFXIV, not many players will be interested in this game. I think SE doing good for making this game friendly for casuals (since most of the new players in here are them). I know it sound dumbing down the gameplay. However, if it's helping for new players, why not? Experts who do savage and extreme can adapt with this change, IMHO.

@@arolimarcellinus8541 The class is still functional without it's just less nuanced, newer players can still perform but its about letting better more experienced players have a place to grow. It's not one or the other you can have a lower skill floor but a high skill ceiling, but this destroys a large part of what made the class interesting to optimize. The crit changes also don't help newer players because variance allows them to shine from time to time.

It will just make the job so much more braindead. Taking away chances to optimise DPS as part of a rotation, instead just having big donk dps cooldowns, going to make me fall asleep during combat.

Same here, I have my own very tight rotation setup and it's literally centered on Kaiten and Iaijutsu...

@@cattysplat Pretty sure that's what they want, they've been making the game more and more casual-friendly over the years. Before it was mainly the actual content, but the jobs are being directly attacked. If I wanted a weakass job that required no brainpower, I'd play WHM...

@@Gibby34340 I don't agree with the removal of Kaiten. But we all do have to accept that FFXIV is absolutely intended to be a casual game by its nature. As any commercial successful and mainstream MMO is.

@@JinTekyta No.

hahahaha of course you'd be maining fucking reaper and gunbreaker hahahahaha you literally have a room temperature iq you're not maining samurai anymore because your slashy slashy animation button got removed oh god my fucking sides hahahaha

I'm not removing kaiten from my hotbar. They can't make me

how has the skill ceiling been reduced

@@yea9008 kenki management. Wasn't that hard before, but even more braindead without kaiten (Pepper shinten, keep 10 for gap closer, senei on cd)

@@SambreakerSasaki it's actually just pepper shinten and keep 10 for dash, ikishoten gives 50 for senei and you don't even need 20 of that for the kaiten for ogi, it's actually full braindead spam now

@@BanríonBéar I keep forgetting about the keniki change on senei. God it's so bad how dumbed down they're making it.

if people are not clearing fights because someone didn't crit enough I think the problem is elsewhere. But it is really nice to have it always crit, so I guess the best option would be not getting rid of Kaiten and adding a trait to it that makes Iaijutsu and Ogi Namikiri always crit except on damage over time effects.

you are a child. you are 8 years old. it is your bedtime. no one needs to "reconsider crit as a mechanic" your parents need to reconsider letting you onto the computer

​@@Hyuinn This is why I don't understand why people care so much about Kaiten, it's the definition of bloat, it literally just makes your next attack crit, THAT'S IT. Like, what people are harping on is the fact that they can't guarantee what THEY want to Crit. Kaiten allowed to choice to make whatever you wanted Crit, so people are just pissy they can't make Crit what they want. Honestly, it has nothing to do with Kaiten's actual purpose, people have gotten used to using this rotation, and enjoy the animation. I swear, give them a placebo and they won't even notice it was gone. No just, just add a skill that plays Kaiten's animation, does nothing, and makes their "big boom" skills glow for the dopamine hit. Personally, I get the usage, but it's only actual usage was making your next ability crit, which is a fundamental mechanic. So unless you're mad that your whole build is based on Crit and now you have to change it cause' you can't guarantee whatever you want to crit (like you said, DoTs), then you didn't actually care about the job or it's playstyle, you cared about that big shiny number that happened when you used Kaiten, you cared about a dopamine hit. I completely agree though, having a trait that made those abilities always Crit would be a good replacement, we have a small replacement, but to many it won't be enough. I expect them to bring back Kaiten in the form of an actual ability that does something instead of guarantees a game mechanic. Like, what's the point of crits if you can guarantee them? What's the point of being able to guarantee every ability you want to simply crit? It literally bypasses a fundamental part of the game. It was fine before, it was limited due to it's cooldown and cost but really was it limited? Wasn't hard getting your kenki guage and timing Kaiten as part of your rotation, that's why people are pissed after all. The damage SAM could do because of it was keeping it consistently at the top because other jobs didn't have what SAM had. Imagine giving every melee DPS a Kaiten, that'd be the only way to deal with this, have it work into the classes mechanic (like Kaiten as a jutsu for Ninja, Kaiten uses your blood or soul gauge on Reaper, etc), then just remove Crit Chance entirely because you can just guarantee it. Like, what da fuck. Anywho, I've gone off a bit too long here.

@@mitrikgaduk347 finally hearing another side to the discussion besides “kaiten gone me angry and sad plz SE put it back” or “Sam is UNPLAYABLE because of this change” like wtf I play Sam mostly and I’m a casual and it feels fine I just don’t have to press another but when I have my burst window

@@mitrikgaduk347 Kaiten doesn't make your next attack crit. Do you even read tooltips?

hope they don't and you unsub

@@IEatYourSandwiches you alright dude?

@@fivesidedpixels4991 lmao

@@IEatYourSandwiches Someone like every job being the same with slight differences?

SE don't listen to these mindless peons parroting the first opinion they saw without doing any thinking for themselves

@@bigybop They just don't listen at all.

@@bigybop Do you have a vendetta against Kaiten or are you just a contrarian or what? I've read multiple of your comments where you ignore any good points someone made for Kaiten staying in the game and just say they had an "awful take" or their opinion was "irrelevant".

@@jojak0512 lmao I had a vendetta against these awful takes. Iv explained multiple times how chair man ignorantly misread and misinterpreted the intention of the change (see action bloat vs button bloat) all of chairs points about merging iki>ogi ect ect were all completely missing the point of the change. (It's actually about how many buttons are crammed into burst windows for example) removing kaiten is a smart solution to ACTION bloat. Also kenki management in my opinion is a meme and almost completely irrelevant to actual "high" level samurai gameplay. It practically works itself out without any thought needed from the player. And then all the comments saying "but the animation is le cool" is not an argument against gameplay improvements

@@bigybop I'm not going to pretend like I'm a high level Sam player who clears everything day 1 but I have been a Sam main for the majority of my time in ff14 so I feel I'm qualified to say what I personally enjoy about playing the job. I and many other people have made it obvious that we don't like this change because it removes an ability we find fun and feel is integral to the job. I like the animation and it feels good to use the ability. That should be enough reason to keep it in the game. I think the enjoyment of playing the job is more important than an "improvement" that no one asked for and very few people seem to want.

That wouldn’t change anything at all. The amount of damage added by the crit stat isn’t actually that much so adding that same effect on to the crit buffs wouldn’t add enough damage to counteract the fact that classss like war just don’t get anything out of it. Sure it would make it so that they get like a tiny bit of damage instead of no damage at all. But it’s not enough of an issue to really matter. If you are worried about team synergy then you are in a static and can move people around if needed. And if you aren’t in a static then nothing anyone does will help, since you can’t control the party at all.

@@SH1NK1R01 It's just odd having Samurai go from the best speed clearer to perhaps one of the worst for melee. We'll have to see numbers, but oof.

Indeed, it's just an unconscious action for us SAM mains. Kaiten is one of our core actions and you're pulling the old "button bloat" BS? It's just being done to cater to the casuals even MORE...

I disagree the melding feels bad (at least for probably most others.) Most people before would just go to The Balance and just copy whatever stat priorities were. Most people now will just go to The Balance and just copy whatever stat priorities are.

@@saysay8920 What I meant is that since the big moves crit anyways, you'll have to re-meld all your gear to prioritize D-Hit more, which low-key, kinda sucks. I'm not sure if this is what **WILL** happen, but I have a feeling that since you are going to Crit with you big damage dealers, getting more D-Hit instead of Crit to get more consistent CDH will be the norm.

@@SirUmnei Crit is still going to be Samurai's most powerful substat (remember, Crit gives crit damage), so if any melds change it will be swapping out some Determination for more Direct Hit if the math proves that Dhit chance is more valuable.

trick attack isnt dead it just now only buffs your damage, and they moved the usual TA effect over to mug (and will also probably buff the potency since it'll now be a 120s CD)

Trick Attack isn't dead

I haven't heard any ninja malding over trick, if anything it changes how most other classes play from bothering about the 1 minute window to just doing whatever they want between the big 2 minute windows. Overall as a ninja main I'm pretty happy because it means I'm no longer dependant on my red mage doing a melee combo under it instead of when they want or my healers dot refreshing for the snap shot and instead I can just do mug when everyone else's buffs will be coming out and they're gonna be forced to burst for their own alignment instead.

I think the ninja changes are the first time that people that don't play the class that was nerfed have got mad over changes. Playing with ninja was fun, you got to focus a bit more on optimization between the 2 minute burst window. Now I guess there's no reason to bring a ninja over something like a reaper because they are the exact same job? Ninja better be buffed to high hell to compensate but you know they wont because SE has no vision for this mmo. Just a bunch of developers flailing around in their incompetence.

@@UguuCat I will say that, as a current MNK main since 5.1 & a former NIN main, it does suck that there's zero happening in the 1-min window outside of our own personal buffs, iirc.

I barely learned the SHB rotation but then EW came out n I put off leveling and relearning EW SAM…now I am only to hear of this… it just keeps changing right when I’m starting to get comfortable ;-;

Getting bogged from the grave.

IM ECSTATIC

to be fair they did actually address living dead by giving healing on attack hit while walking dead is active, still have to see numbers but at least they're looking at it

@@nuclearsynapse5319 That's actually not making it better in all likelihood. Because the invuln effect of LD ends when you hit the healing requirement, this is probably just going to end up being a duration nerf on what was already the weakest invuln in the game.

@@theoperator3712 true, but what else can they do, actually make the invuln feel good?

@@nuclearsynapse5319 They could give DRK an actual invuln. Of course that would require some actual effort so...

@@nuclearsynapse5319 Make the invul last for 10 seconds despite being healed

The removal of kaiten is being paired with damage increase to the skills that would use it. Its overall a buff for leveling for the reasons youre listing not having it feels bad.

@@duo1666 Uhh did you read the changes? The big hit skills that use it will be getting auto crit, so will be getting potency nerfs to balance this. Sure it's not the language they use (adjusted), but any time they say it's not being increased, that means nerf.

@@cattysplat Theyre adjusting the damage due to the removal of kaiten, not because its getting auto crit. They will increase the base damage, maybe not to the full 50%, but overall the damage will be either damage neutral or a buff overall.

Also Sustain for Summoner

They could have achieved that without affecting resource management by making Iaijutsu cost 20 kenki.

B-but the cool animation 😞

This is 100% what happened. Still would like to see some alternative uses for the gauge be preserved, though. So many gauges in the game are just "a resource to use either a single target or AOE skill." WAR's gauge, DRK (though the simulacrum shakes things up very slightly), technically RPR (as a more tolerable example), even SMN's aether gauge has this problem.

The new tech with this change is if you are the end of a buff window and do not have enough kenki for a shinten, you Gyoten since they are the same potency per kenki which is the only tech that exists now that kenki is a glorified Fel Cleave bar.

Because this would be a huge nerf to Samurai's damage, and would make gearing the class literal hell.

To be honest, yes, samurai had and now still has insane button bloat. It's the only job, using ctrl+shift+1234 qef and (ctrl/shift+)mouse 4/5, that still leaves me with too few buttons to comfortably have everything at hand. I needed to put guren on 7 which is too far to reach casually, and I think something's on shift+5. It really does have button bloat and they didn't help the issue with the new skills like shoha II. I'm fine having shoha I be II with 50% on secondary like dancer aoe has. I don't think there's enough situations where you *don't* want to aoe for a minor amount of damage exist outside of some ultimates where the question is if you even need to use that ability in that situation, not to mention summoner getting aoe on almost every big hit and astral flow making the argument of "we need to be able to control if we're aoe-ing!!"... pretty weak.

Samurai is the only job I have thus far unlocked where all the actions (if you put all job and role actions on the bar) don't fit into the 24 buttons an expanded cross hotbar gives you on the controller. You get exactly 25. This is not counting Sprint (which I have bound to a macro that I activate by pressing L3) or LB (which I have on a special bar that is usable by all jobs and which I reserve for general actions such as mount, potion, markers etc) Having said all of that I agree that of all the buttons they could cut or condense, Kaiten seems like a particularly poor choice. There were soooo many other options, like the ones mentioned in the video or the skill that turns your Sen into Kenki which I forget the name.

@@angelsoflolz oh maybe I should make it clear, I completely agree condensing single target/aoe versions of abilities is a good idea, and probably necessary as well. Only thing I'll be sad to miss is the animations

@@victorgbs Hagakure is pretty important (less so now) for aligning your midares to raidbuffs/on-cooldown tsubames.

@@angelsoflolz alright, fair enough. I think button condensing would've been a good way out then ie. Shoha I upgrades to II as mentioned as opposed to cutting buttons

dumb take how could anyone be this stupid

don´t worry they are gonna "fix" ast next by removing the cards

Won't work on me. I am a SAM MAIN through and through lol. They will never force me away! Even if they nerf the damage into the ground I would still play it. It just won't feel the same 😔

lol samurai has gotten nothing but buffs basically since it was released and has been the dominant 'meta' job for years already. The problem with job design in this game is every single DPS job is a support job except 3, and 2 of them happen to always be overtuned ever since they gimped support to be basically copy pastes. Samurai absolutely needed an adjustment to its ridiculous damage pad capabilities, right now it is way too centralizing and turning the game into 'pad the sam' which is god damn boring.

Kaiten into Senei into Midare was... is the fanciest shit. Flash your blade, instant cross cut, sheathe instantly and pose for midare.

Yeah but i think it functions under the same principle. More button = more actions. While sam has lots of buttons, they add more style and feel to the class. Its just me but by having lots of button to press and way to manage your kenki, it makes gameplay more fun and change the dynamic of rotation. This is the whole reason i cannot stand DNC (sorry to all dnc main out there), they have less button to press and its combo is depend on rng. I would prefer them to keep sam as it is. If they wanna change something to reduce the number of actions, stack abilities on top of each other just like ogi. Save spaces which in turn reduce action bloat

@@akiramurakami3177 Yeah and maybe in the future they'll add another button to replace it, but that's just the devs' perspective of the issue. Personally, I think that instead of straight up removing the button they should've replaced it with something else to use kenki on, which would not only solve their problem with action bloat (pressing the same button before the same actions) but also add more nuance to the gameplay. Because sure pressing more buttons is fun, but let's be real: there's no reason why it has to be its own button. They can and should just replace it with a new mechanic instead IMO.

Isn't almost every damaging ability used at the exact same time with minimal variance?People wouldnt be upset about stuff like drifting blasting zone if there was variance in its use for example. I think abilities that are used at the exact same time are just what a rotation is and not a problem in need of changes.

@@funnycathehe The problem with blasting zone in this example is that you use it in a buff WINDOW, not as something that gets single use buffed every time. Samurai is pressing essentially two buttons to use one ability in this case and the devs don't see the point in it hence the changes. A better comparison here would be something like MCH's reassemble+drill combo (which honestly doesn't fit the comparison completely bc the reassemble+drill combo is used every 3 drills, not every single drill)

Onslaught is a gap closer. Orogeny is an AOE Upheaval.

warrior already has very little in terms of buttons, pls we're already eating struggle sandwiches.

YEAP. Now, I'll be pressing my Kaiten button which NO LONGER EXISTS! Sadge.

No need to sorry, i agree with you and many other Samurais feel the same.

SAM is definitely not "difficult to master". It's not a hard job at all. In fact it's pretty easy to learn and play well. This change is making it even easier, but I still don't like it. RIP Kaiten 😞

@@SambreakerSasaki I'd argue Third Eye management on raidwides and targeted aoes, as well as storing and spending kenki the most in TA/ the 2 min window were "higher skill ceiling" optimizations, as opposed to the static rotation of, say Ninja, that has a high skill floor instead (but all abilities line up just right for TA). So the job remains not hard but it's also fun to optimize.

The sound too. Swish Swish Swoop, stylin before the big swing.

That just steps on crit chance buffs.

BRD's battle voice and DNC's devilment both increase direct hit rate of party member(s). WAR's berserk and MCH's reassemble gives them automatic direct hit (and crit). Sadly, not unique or enabling synergy :(