The reason why the arrows are not to weak, is because of the long inserts. The longer inserts can’t flex, so in reality your arrow are getting shorter, atleast the part of the arrow which are flexing are getting shorter. So it kind of compensate for the heavy point. Good video🏹
This comment is exactly correct and should be remembered before you cut arrows too short. I observed this before the explaination became obivous to me.
Hello Sir, I also shoot a BigJim Thinderchild, 54” long and 49lbs at 28”...I shoot a GoldTip Hunter 500 spine with. 50grain insert, and 400 grain tip, total arrow weight is 680grains...I’ve only been shooting trad for three years, and I can shoot pretty decent and have had good luck in the hunting field. Your videos have helped me out a lot, many thanks Sir.
I cannot wait for my new bow to come. I’ve got a Styker classic coming sometime soon. And I’ve got all kinds of arrows to try out of it. The ones I’m running out of my Bear Kodiak Hunter 52@28 are 711grains. 400 grain up front. They are lasers!!! Keep up the videos even if they are like this and just excitedly show us something. Cause it gets me excited to see it!! Great job!!
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 yeah shot through my shed on accident. Drops a good bit after 15 yards but flys so nice! Don’t plan to shoot past 20 anyway so it works out.
Hi Jeff, I'm brand new to archery (adding to rifle and black powder hunting) and very much appreciate your videos and the great guidance you provide. After shooting recurves and longbows from inexpensive one-pieces to TDs to a Bear 50 year commemorative recurve, I'm firmly in the longbow camp. I love the longbow grip and they're just smoother shooting for me (and with the longbows I shot the lights out of the target - instinctive [split vision, both eyes open] - felt great). Shot #40 & #45 with the longbows at 66" - and that length kind of brings me to my question on arrow weight. After doing tons of research on bows I've decided not to 2-step it and start with an entry bow then move to a better bow, so I have a what I understand is a very good bow on order, a Damon Howatt Savannah, #40 or #45, 62" (29" draw), and I'm wondering what your thoughts are on arrow set up - length, diameter, weight, broadhead, etc. Thanks again, Jeff. All the best, David
Great video one thing I have noticed with the ethics insert system is the length of a full uncaught insert effectively shortens the Part of the arrow that can flex egiving you a stiffer spine on a longer arrow. Really nice when it works out for you bye but can also mess you up cause you think you're adding weight to the front so you should be weakening the arrow but it doesn't always work that way
If you ever get a chance… try the BlackEagle Rampage shafts, they have similar specs to these in the video, but are a good bit cheaper. I use the ethics inserts and their nock collar to beef them up. You could center punch a rock, just replace the field point and they’re good to go. I shoot 47#, cut arrows to about 30” with ethics 80g inserts (including the collar) 200g points. They shoot like lasers!
I just built up some arrows for my black widow bow, 56#@28, theyre 300 spine easton axis, 115 ethics insert with the collar, and a 200 grain head. Shoots amazing, but i need to pick a broadhead that'll blow through an elk. Was thinking a vpa 3 blade might be a decent choice that wont break the bank. Total weight 666 with a nockturnal, 22% foc.
My other arrow set up is a carbon Express heritage 350 spine, 100 grain insert, 200 grain point. Weighs in at 700 grains with 19% foc. Should i be using that setup instead of the axis with 22% foc?
I had a complete pass through on a 5x5 Bull this yr with my 58# Pronghorn Longbow at 14yrds. My arrow setup is 300 spine Victory VAP TKO’s with the 50gr Insert/Outset with a 200gn Ironwill Solid. Total arrow weight is 570gn, 23% FOC and shoots 188fps out of my bow. This bull went 20yrds and was done. iW’s are expensive but worth every penny in my option. I’ve taken 2 bulls over the last 2 yrs with a bow and they have expired fast with a great blood trail. Cheers from Wyoming.
I shoot easton superslams XX78 2114 shafts. 29"inches. With a 100 grain thunder head. With 25 grain insert. Five inch feathers. Out of my 47 pound blackwidow. They shoot good. I like to try carbon but just to much work. Even byron fergonson. Said spine difference. Kept him from shooting carbon. Great video. Learned alot on carbon and what to buy thanks
Believe you would easily raise the bar again if you were using the discontinued Victory VForce HV’s. I feel they were discontinued prior to the conventional world seriously starting to consider EFOC. My favorite setup out of 51@28...1/8th shelf.....VForce 350...28.5”...100 gn insert...300 gn pt….+30% Ultra EFOC…612 gn total - Shot consistent 40 yard bare shaft groups…can actually shoot this bare shaft in the wind out to 25 yards - Have shot bare shaft 3D rounds with this arrow - Have shot a deer, from the ground, full length from brisket with the arrow extending ~6 to 8” beyond the inner thigh…she laiid down on the spot - Disadvantage - extremely hard on targets With insert availability now being above 150 gns and the use of standardized footing, the exploitation of extended FOC should produce eye opening results. Results derived on paper are often just that. The enhanced visible penetration results are quite evident.
What scale would you recommend for weighing arrows and parts? I've always liked to build my own arrows, but up til now I've been using crude math and guesstimation on weights and balances.
I'm playing with the same arrows right now with my Grizzly 42# @ 26" draw. I got 600's, 28", 515 gr finished arrow with a total of 225 gr (100gr insert w/ 125gr head) up front flying like darts. I tried getting the 500's to tune, but I started off a touch too short. 400 gr (100gr insert w/ 300gr head) up front on a 28.5" arrow are a touch too stiff. I'll have to give the the heavy Ethic's a try, but that's going to push me way over 700gr finished arrow. I guess at 20 yds, who cares, that'll kill a buffalo.
Hello, I really don't understand the need for inserts and sleeves for a deer arrow. Could you not just throw a 300 gr broadhead on a stock insert and accomplish the same weight? Is there something I'm missing? Your videos are a wealth of knowledge and much appreciated. Regards,
Thanks and yes sir you could however the main reason for sleeves is to protect the front of the shaft from damage by impacts especially on very expensive arrows and also having the weight just slightly rearward of the tip aids in broadhead flight opposed to all the weight being outside the shaft plus the long ethics inserts make the front section of the arrow much stronger and more difficult for a deer to break it off right at the tip, it’s just a super tough setup almost indestructible lol
Hey Jeff, I bought a dozen Gold Tip Airstrike and insert from Ethics Archery! I could only get 4 of the 12 arrows to fit the inserts! The others were too tight! Have you ever had this problem! Thanks Ron
Yes I normally order mine just a little bigger than the O.D. of whichever spine I’m building but you can simply sand the shafts to fit better just make a sharpie mark about 3/4” from the end and sand them with like 400 till they slide on, gotta have room for the glue, the posts should fit no problem if not you’ll need to exchange them for a .203 instead of.204👍🏻
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Are you talking about sanding the outside of the shaft? That’s not the problem! The inside of the shaft is too small! How do you sand the inside effectively?
@@ronbrown8559 gotcha, they should have sent.203 posts there’s honestly no way I know to sand the inside, I’d just call them and they should switch them out
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 They did sent me .203! But only 4 shafts worked! I called them and they said to clean inside of shaft! I clean! Still way too tight, won’t even begin to go in! Frustrating! Thanks!
Love your channel. Just found it a few days ago (started back into archery almost a month ago) and your videos are what I've been looking for. Too many guys are geared towards target archery but I'm trying to hunt and put meat on the table. My girlfriend got me a Cabela's Warden (basic takedown recurve) for my birthday and I'm already wanted to upgrade to a better bow next year or the year after. But for the time being I want to try an build some hunting arrows. The bow is rated at 50# @28” but I have a 31-31½"draw -still working on an anchor point. Should I go for something like this but in maybe a 340 spine?
First of all thank you so much for watching and as for your arrow set up usually 400’s are the ticket with your draw length and up to around 300 grains up front but the shafts need to be around 9 gpi like traditional gold tips, you can shoot a 340 in a really light shaft with some heavy foc weight but I’d stick with 400’s at 50# 👍🏻
I just got my thunderchild 58" @50lbs 29 1/2 inch draw yesterday in the mail. Would you recommend this arrow setup for it? Over the airstrike arrow setup in your previous video that you were shooting with your thunderchild that was a super fast arrow. Trying to figure out which arrow setup to start with. Love your videos and advice.
I would run a 400 in the Barebow arrow with an 80gr victory stainless shock outsert with a 200gr head out of it with your draw length or an Airstrike in a 340 spine with 300-320 up front both will be perfect for it👍🏻
I love this combination and would like build something similar. But dang, the spine and weight up front just doesn't make sense! I shoot 35 lbs. for field archery and the Easton's own spine calculator says I should be shooting 400 spine shafts with 100 grain points, and here you are shooting a 47 lb. bow with 500 spine and 335 grains up front! Sounds like I should get 600 spine not 400?!
You shot over 20 yards? I shoot aiming technique, what would you recon is your point-on distance? Or is this a dumb question for an instinctive Archer?
I’m shooting a 62” ILF Recurve, 45# DW, 28” DL. I would like to build a high FOC/Heavy arrow. What spine would you recommend? Shooting BE Deep Impacts now, 400 spine, 550 TAW.
I am fixing to order some of these arrows I have a 58 inch Black Widow take down 47 @28. My question is my draw length is 27 do you think I will have any issues shooting the same setup
I have a 40 # ben pearson 28" draw I'm shooting black eagle 500 full length with 125 grain head should I shoot more foc would it make it more accurate new to trad archery any info would help
Yes definitely just have to cut the feathers off one and go to adding weight until it begins to be too weak then you’re good probably be ok with another 50-100 grains easily
I cut these at 28” and added the ethics inserts which are about an inch long, I’ve got the same arrows with the 80gr stainless Victory Shock half outserts cut to 28.5” and like them even better than the ethics.
If I’m running a 21” Hoyt satori with medium 40# Hoyt limbs, I should be pulling around 44 pounds at 30” dl. I want to run 200gr broadheads, and if it was an 80-100 gr insert to add to the FOC of the arrow then what spine and length arrow would you recommend for the victory carbon trads or these traditional only arrows?
So turns out my hand scale says I’m pulling right at 50# at my draw length and my full length 400’s are hitting dead center of the bullseye with 250 grains up front and hitting the same as my bare shaft, but my bare shaft is always impacting with a tail left hit indicating a weak spine I thought? I’m new to trad life so maybe it’s just form, but should I just roll with it or keep driving myself crazy trying to get a straight bare shaft impact? I was told as long as the bare shaft and fletched shafts are hitting the same to not worry about it
You shot over 20 yards? I shoot aiming technique, what would you recon is your point-on distance? Or is this a dumb question for an instinctive Archer?
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Wow. I have a longbow 53# at 28,5" drawlength. 66" bow. In preparation for hunting, and on your RU-vid vid prescriptions I build 2 options: 1. 400spine, 255gn tip and inserts, 253gn shaft (total weight 508gn), 4" fletch, 8Gpi shafts = shoots only 19meters point on. Feels to short a distance 2. 400 spine, 275gn tip and inserts, 253gn shaft, 8 Gpi, (total weight 528gn)= shoots 17meters point on. Again feels to short a distance for a 53# longbow. Your thoughts? Probably it just is what it is. Can still harvest deer on that distance. Enjoy your passion and advice.
