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If your spa drains down after the pool turns off chances are it is a check valve failure. This could mean that the check valve is bad or debris is stuck inside of it.
The check valve is designed to keep the water from dropping down to the pool water level in an elevated spa (which is how most pools with spas are designed). If the check valve is not working properly, water will flow back down through the pipes as gravity takes effect. So 75% of the time it will be faulty check valve.
But not always. At the end of the video I show other possible causes such as a bad or faulty Valve Actuator.
For more on the Valve Actuator see these videos:
Pool Valve Actuator Manual Mode & Manual Override part 1 of 2: • Pool Valve Actuator Ma...
Pool Valve Actuator Failure, Removal part 2 of 2: • Pool Valve Actuator Fa...
I mention also a suction leak or air leak that could cause this to happen in some cases. For a Playlist covering various air leaks at the pool pump:
• Pool Pump Not Working
For more on how to turn your pool and spa valves properly see these videos -
I made this one just for my wife but viewers seem to like it to:
How to put pool into spa mode and start the Heater: • How to put your pool i...
Pool Equipment Overview part 2 of 2 Swimming Pool Valves: • Pool Equipment Overvie...
So these are the most common things that will cause your spa to drain down when the pool is running or when it is off. Sometimes it takes a while to troubleshoot this problem since it can be more than one thing causing the spa to drain down. I would start with the check valve and then work down the list.
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@arnoldschrader
@arnoldschrader 3 дня назад
THANK YOU - THANK YOU - THANK YOU!!! This video saved me a $150 service call. I sent my system into SPA DRAIN mode accidentally and when I activated SPA FILL mode - it would just keep draining. It turned out to just be a stuck spa drain cap/plunger thingy inside the Spring Check Valve. Working perfect again! Thank you so much for this video - YOU ROCK!!! 🙏
@belclifford98
@belclifford98 2 года назад
I’ll be half of homeowners with pools I would like to say thank you for all the videos you posted, because of the stuff that you put on RU-vid, the knowledge you spread saves a lot of people money. I alone save almost $7000 within six years of having my new house with the pool. thank you
@EdwardInTX
@EdwardInTX 5 лет назад
I have the ortega check valve. Turned off the pump, unscrewed the cap, lubed up the ring, placed everything back in, and completed within 5 minutes. Saved between $140-$200 doing this myself. Thank you!
@SPL
@SPL 11 лет назад
Thanks for the comment. I too learn something new all the time. There is so much to learn in this industry. I've also learned by making some mistakes too, which isn't fun. Nothing dangerous as I am cautious out there. I've charged D.E. filters up (twice now) while the backwash valve was open, FYI - lots of D.E. goes into the pool once you close it ;). I've also fallen into pools a couple of times. But I've learned A lot from other pool guys over the years. That is what makes it a great trade.
@Trrrot
@Trrrot 6 лет назад
You have brought my stress level down to zero as our home is in escrow and our jacuzzi drained into the pool after we used it last night! I have faith this is a pretty easy fix.. Thank you so much for posted this video!
@ronrhodes4521
@ronrhodes4521 11 лет назад
Just moved into a home with pool and spa, both of which have had a number of challenges. I knew nothing about any of this, so your videos are so appreciated! Thanks for taking the time to share your expertise!
@SPL
@SPL 10 лет назад
It's on my list of videos to film. I have a valve and gasket in my garage but am a little behind in my video production. Got 52 videos sitting on my HD to build. I think I saw a good demo on another RU-vid Channel.
@gregorywelch1868
@gregorywelch1868 5 лет назад
Fabulous. I was in the 25%. I rebuilt my caretaker 5, replaced the nearby (pressure check) flapper check valve, and replaced the five diverter valve paddles (Jandy Neverlube) and all o-rings. One of the diverter valve o-rings was clearly damaged---half gone. When all done, the spa now retains water over night. Yay! Thank you!
@irideCR250
@irideCR250 11 лет назад
i agree, thank you for taking the time to put these videos on here they have helped alot,
@georgezane3845
@georgezane3845 9 лет назад
I wanted to thank you for this great advice. My spa was draining back into my pool for quite awhile and I was afraid I had a leak someplace. After I did the bucket test to check for a leak and found none, I became convinced it was something else. Your video and the statement that 75% of the time it is the check valve convinced me that my problem was there. I didn't know which of the three check valves was misbehaving so I did the logical thing and replaced all three. VOILA!! I am cured. Simple as pie and I got the valves on line with free shipping for about $80.00 so I am a happy camper. Thanks for the great advice.
@SPL
@SPL 9 лет назад
George Zane Cool.
@moez1774
@moez1774 4 года назад
This worked for my Pentair check valve! There wasn't any noticeable debris but there was an algae buildup so I cleaned it thoroughly and lubed the O-ring. Thank you a million times. I have the same exact hot tub & pool setup as one of the pools in this video. So, thanks a million!
@SPL
@SPL 4 года назад
Glad you fixed it!
@v1per17
@v1per17 10 лет назад
Thanks for the swift reply. This video was very helpful. I fixed the issue my pool is now operating like it should.
@gailgolf
@gailgolf 10 месяцев назад
I kept ignoring the water level in the spa lowering each evening, but the birds like to drink in the spa at top level in the mornings...so I finally followed your instructions and it was a 5 to 10 min. job. thanks! paid $14 for the Jandy valve on Ebay. Glad I spotted your video and didn't have to pay a pool repair to do this.
@robertstoanes1454
@robertstoanes1454 7 лет назад
Thanks so much! You just saved me $250.00 that my pool service wanted to replace one of these. Bought the flapper assembly on Amazon for 28.00! (btw, the part # for a Zodiac/Janty Flapper assembly is 7056, not the 7036 that is on the cover, that is the part number for the clear cover only. Hope that helps, it took me a while to figure this out.)
@JulianVail
@JulianVail 7 лет назад
Your videos are very informative. Thank you for the attention to detail.
@SPL
@SPL 7 лет назад
👍
@sonarvord
@sonarvord 8 лет назад
Very well done diagnostic video!
@whitemok
@whitemok 5 лет назад
Great video. Dave has aloha. He is my hero. Keep up the good work.
@sunshinestatepools5927
@sunshinestatepools5927 11 лет назад
keep these videos coming I have a pool company but in this buissness when you think you learned it all you learn more so i really appreciate you taking the time out for these helpful video's
@stacyspooner3572
@stacyspooner3572 2 года назад
We will never cease learning if we want to stay in business. I own a small pool business myself and I'm constantly finding great tips, tricks, and ideas that benefit my customers , which in turn , benefits my business. I agree completely with your statement!
@davidcox5441
@davidcox5441 9 лет назад
Great info. Thank you for your help
@trebordadda
@trebordadda 6 лет назад
Great video. Thank you.
@SPL
@SPL 11 лет назад
You can make a video and post it on your Channel and I can take a look at it to see if I can help further.
@LagunaFili
@LagunaFili 8 лет назад
Thanks, very helpful!
@stevenschrock
@stevenschrock Год назад
Thanks it was my lid rubber seal on my a pump ...I didn’t use any magic lube but had just replaced my check valves ...I couldn’t figure it out until I watched your vid...Thanks for all your vids ..They have helped me tremendously
@brianc1050
@brianc1050 10 лет назад
mine doing same thing and found out the grout between tile had a small hole water leaking oiut. a little dye and putty fix the problem
@what200883
@what200883 3 года назад
This video helped me fix my new pool. Thank you so much.
@petersalls4083
@petersalls4083 2 года назад
Boy this is an old video but it's exactly what I needed. Great information, thanks.
@itralian16
@itralian16 4 года назад
You are pure excellence my friend.
@justingutierrez3627
@justingutierrez3627 7 лет назад
Thanks for the video, Big help!
@SPL
@SPL 7 лет назад
Your welcome. 👍
@Guruslidingisthebest
@Guruslidingisthebest 10 лет назад
Do you have any videos on switching spa multiport spider gaskets?
@lfergie8
@lfergie8 7 лет назад
Thank you!
@martinrojas7595
@martinrojas7595 4 года назад
Youre like the chrisfix of pool problems thankyou!
@TOUGHCHOICE
@TOUGHCHOICE 10 лет назад
my spa is filled by a water feature to overflow when pool is running...when pump is off my spa drains back to pool thru water feature valve...how do I correct this without having to close overflow valve....thanks
@kevinsatterfield9005
@kevinsatterfield9005 2 года назад
your video is good I get everything. I just have one question. Do I have to drain the hot tub before I replace the check valve?
@lfergie8
@lfergie8 7 лет назад
Thanks, I finally got it off and it didn't have any debris and wasn't broken. Next to check is the actuator!
@lrooff
@lrooff 6 лет назад
Used this info to fix my leaking check valve. Thanks.
@SPL
@SPL 6 лет назад
Great!
@TheGerson956
@TheGerson956 6 лет назад
I have a pool and spa combo. I'm shutting down the spill way (winter) but in a matter of 4 days the spa will drain. Skimmers and pool main drains have check valves, returns from spa have check valves and after the pump before filter I have a 2-14 lbs rated check valves at almost full capacity. And when actuator turns from pool to spa that mid point is where water pushed by gravity from spa that is above pool & equipment drains into pool returns. I figured a 3" main drain reduced to 2" before pump is to much force for my check valve. Any solutions? My goal is to not use the spill way o. The winter but the winter mode will kick in and I can cheat by removing the freeze protection from spa and on for pool to prevent actuators turning every 15 mins. (Pentair easy touch)
@tacotes16
@tacotes16 2 года назад
Soo helpful thanks!
@exclusive111.
@exclusive111. Год назад
Im having trouble indentifying what does what on my pool sytem pipes
@robinvojik7438
@robinvojik7438 7 лет назад
The reason for this is a bad check valve in the spa return line where it's not sealing the flow off properly and due to the spa water level being higher, gravity will allow water to back flow into the pool return lines therefore raising the water level in the pool then dropping when the pool pump turns back on .. I've had jobs where the installer slapped so much pvc glue in there , that a new flapper still wouldn't seal right.. 18 yrs exp. Msg me for any problem with pool, I'll be glad to help .
@hugo_youngcurd3039
@hugo_youngcurd3039 Год назад
Hi i’m currently having this problem, new to pool game, should i first replace the check valve to see if that helps ? If it doesn’t what should i do next
@anhduong8031
@anhduong8031 8 лет назад
i first have a pool and after draining the water out and cleaning, i tried to fill it in, but it turned out like the water half way gone and the pool water level doesnt rise up when it reached 1/3 eventho the pump is turned off. i dont see any other valves but the ortega one.. what should I do?
@dvcavall
@dvcavall 4 года назад
I wish you would have explained where in the plumbing the problem valves were located. I am guessing only the suction side matters? Thanks for the video. Very helpful.
@SPL
@SPL 4 года назад
Return side.
@mymar309
@mymar309 8 лет назад
Where i can buy the magic glue you used in this video to apply around the ortega valve ?
@SPL
@SPL 8 лет назад
+My Mar Here at Amazon.com or your local pool store: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003Z8TDWU?creativeASIN=B003Z8TDWU&linkCode=w00&linkId=VECB362OJYXRWPA2&ref_=as_sl_pc_qf_sp_asin_til&tag=swimmingpooll-20
@jasonpudwill843
@jasonpudwill843 5 лет назад
Hi David..I love your videos. Do you have one that shows how to replace an Ortega check valve with a Jandy spring loaded valve? They stopped making the Pentair Ortega seat assembly and the generic part is just a bit too small. Thanks!
@SPL
@SPL 5 лет назад
That is a bit more of a difficult swap since they are designed differently. You would have to do some Mac Guyver type plumbing to get the Jandy Check Valve to work in place of the Ortega one. If you email me some pics I can send them to a buddy of mine who just did one of those last month.
@lfergie8
@lfergie8 7 лет назад
Yes, I think so
@PatLoya
@PatLoya 7 лет назад
great video! will this problem cause the motor to burn out?
@SPL
@SPL 7 лет назад
No, it has no effect on the motor, just looks unsightly everyday.
@PatLoya
@PatLoya 7 лет назад
yes I agree! Apparently our pool guy nor my husband don't agree.lol
@jefferymeasles4193
@jefferymeasles4193 2 года назад
Great video! Do you know the spring size for the 1.5" check valve? It's either 1 or 3 lbs
@SPL
@SPL 2 года назад
Don't know, I just replace the entire piece.
@FonejoeProductions
@FonejoeProductions 8 лет назад
Thank you for the quick feedback, I have already confirmed the pool water is not rising, when the Spa water goes down. This happens when the filter is off, do you know what kind of caulking is recommended to seal around The Spa jets?
@SPL
@SPL 8 лет назад
+FonejoeProductions From what I have seen you will have to call a leak specialist out in your area to isolate the exact area of the leak. This will cost $300-$400 depending. If you line in the L.A. area of California I can recommend someone. Fixing a leak is a real pain.
@kennym6140
@kennym6140 8 лет назад
I think this video will help solve my problem, so thanks in advance. I have the ortega valve you show in the video. My question is, if I simply make sure the pump is off, can I just immediately screw off the ortega valve? Or do I need to depressurized the system somehow first?
@SPL
@SPL 8 лет назад
+Kenny Stainback Once pool is off you can safely unscrew it. No worries.
@kennym6140
@kennym6140 8 лет назад
I lubed up the Ortega part as described. Where previously the spa would drain down to the pool level after 15 minutes of the pool pump being off, it stayed full for over an hour... so, I think this did the trick. Question, though... after turning the pump back on, excess lube was pumped into the spa. Is this normal or did I apply too much lube? If this is problematic, what should I do to resolve? Thanks!
@SPL
@SPL 8 лет назад
+Kenny Stainback Nothing to worry about. Lube will not have any effect on the water/ filter. Glad it worked out for you.
@mariaf574
@mariaf574 11 лет назад
I found my spa drained into.the pool this morning ... not shure where my check valve is .. but I do know that there is some leaking going on... not sure how to describe.my problem.. sorry
@jamescipollone7737
@jamescipollone7737 День назад
Hey man thank you so much for this. I am a new pool home owner and I was in a panic the pool had a leak underground lol
@halmain7406
@halmain7406 7 лет назад
Good video
@SPL
@SPL 7 лет назад
Thanks! 👍
@mpnewhart8022
@mpnewhart8022 6 лет назад
I am a new pool owner and one again you saved me money. I have a question about this . I did the bucket test last night and noticed the spa was low. When this happens does the water go into the pool causing water to go into the overflow?
@SPL
@SPL 6 лет назад
Possibly. Put a piece of tape at the pool water line and watch it. If the spa is not leaking but water is going back down the lines into the pool the water level will rise over the tape and out your overflow. Best to do this when you can watch it happen.
@Artillery052088
@Artillery052088 10 лет назад
Hello, Great Tips! I have a question, my jacuzzi runs but the rest of the pool jet pumps do not turn on. The jacuzzi water does not overflow into the pool. What can you suggest.
@SPL
@SPL 10 лет назад
Sounds like your pool is in spa mode. Simpy turn the two valves the opposite direction and that should get it in pool mode.
@charlesinglehart1655
@charlesinglehart1655 5 лет назад
Is this a good time on the Jandy Check Valves to install a meter that show flow rate? I believe its called FlowVis.
@SPL
@SPL 5 лет назад
No. Not effective in that location. FlowVis is for main line of pool. good thinking though. 👍
@MrBrianJoseph
@MrBrianJoseph 4 месяца назад
I went on a job where the problem was the check valve but it was because the check valve was installed backwards 😢 Great video man always a pleasure
@blazefirex100
@blazefirex100 4 месяца назад
If I drained my inground pool and the water level is below the skimmer and jets should I leave the pump off or on when filling the pool back up
@meupoyni
@meupoyni 8 лет назад
David, my spa is same level of the pool with a drain at the bottom, is there a basket/filter in that drain that need s maintenance? Is there a video for it? .... (new pool owner)
@SPL
@SPL 8 лет назад
+meupoyni No - that drain is connected to your pool pump - anything that goes in their will end up in the pump basket. It is usually off unless it is in spa mode.
@meupoyni
@meupoyni 8 лет назад
Thank you much for the reply. Excellent contents in your videos....
@lfergie8
@lfergie8 7 лет назад
So with a spring loaded check valve-do you replace it? Can you open it while the variable pump is running?
@SPL
@SPL 7 лет назад
Open it with the pool off. You can lube it up and that usually solves the problem.
@ROBERTLUCIAn
@ROBERTLUCIAn Год назад
In a typical spa above pool level set up do both the jets and the drain have to have check valves on their lines? Thanks a bunch.
@SPL
@SPL Год назад
Usually just the return side.
@MrMAZZAsaurus
@MrMAZZAsaurus 6 лет назад
I have a valve similar to the one at minute 4:51 with a blue handle that opens and closes the valve. Would a bad check valve also cause a vibrating type noise when the pump is on and water is running through the heater? It only happens when the pump is running for pool circulation and not the spa. The noise goes away when I adjust the pool/spa valves, but it makes the water levels uneven. I hope this makes sense.
@SPL
@SPL 6 лет назад
It could be the flap is not working properly in the check valve causing that issue.
@ip6241
@ip6241 9 лет назад
Hi, i removed / checked the Jandy check valve internals. How can you tell if seals are bad? did not appear to have debris.
@SPL
@SPL 9 лет назад
ip No way to tell by looking at them. I would just purchase a kit and replace them as they are pretty inexpensive.
@HitReview4U
@HitReview4U 10 лет назад
If my negative edge troth is over filling would that mean it is the check valve with in the troth or the one by the EQ?
@SPL
@SPL 10 лет назад
There is a fill valve in those negative edge troth that tends to fail on occasion and over fill it. That is also the auto fill for the whole pool. it is located there so the troth is always full of water. I have a video on checking that: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GosLFMIU-_c.html It is easy to fix. I think if it is overfilling verses draining it is a fill valve problem.
@nasseriranikhah8335
@nasseriranikhah8335 8 лет назад
Hi, thank you very much very helpful video, I have a Jandy Valve, my problem is that the SPA level goes down, but the water doesn't go into the pool. I have already replaced the check valve, but the problem still persists. Any idea what could be my issue.
@SPL
@SPL 8 лет назад
+Nasser Iranikhah It is possible that one of the spa jets is leaking water underground. It is not uncommon. To be 100% sure let the spa fill up and turn off the system. Mark the pool waterline with tape exactly at the water level. If the water does not rise in the pool when the spa drains down you could have a possible leak in the spa - usually around a jet.
@sudheendrar
@sudheendrar 7 лет назад
I had a similar problem. Got a leak test of the plumbing done and the person said the plumbing is fine. Water goes down all the way to the Drain Level, below jets and below the light in the Spa but Water level in the pool does not rise. Thoughts?
@sahmed321
@sahmed321 7 лет назад
Hello, Thanks for the great video. My spa water level goes down after I turn the power off. Have changed the flapper check valve, did not help. I used the service mode on the controller and turn the spa mode on. The electronic valve seems to change the position, so it is not the spa relay or the controller board.What else could be the problem? Bad valve? It is a Jandy system. Thanks
@SPL
@SPL 7 лет назад
It could be the valve o-ring itself. Check your programs also - sometimes there is a spillway program and this could cause this to happen also. If there is a spillway program delete it.
@sahmed321
@sahmed321 7 лет назад
Thanks again. Everything was working fine for many years and all of a sudden this happened, so I am leaning towards your suggestion of replacing the O rings. I have ordered the O rings and will try .
@yoced8213
@yoced8213 6 лет назад
Haha I'm a pool cleaner that dog barking in the background is my life. This is cool though thanks this stuff is what I really need help with. Suuuper stressful sometimes especially when you're trying to keep a pace.
@shaneelmore743
@shaneelmore743 8 лет назад
My hot tub is draining down while it is running. It has power actuators and the valves appear to be in the correct position. Should i change the roto assembly in the multi port valve? Thanks!
@SPL
@SPL 8 лет назад
Only time that will happen is if the suction line is open on the spa.
@gpring
@gpring Год назад
Thanks!
@SPL
@SPL Год назад
Thank you for the tip! 👍
@urielrodriguez9290
@urielrodriguez9290 Год назад
How do I fill the spa back to normal after replacing these parts? Thank you!
@SPL
@SPL Год назад
Simply turn the return valve to spa return and leave the suction valve on pool mode. Or it will fill on it's own.
@chadaaron
@chadaaron 7 лет назад
Thanks, I'm getting ready to replace one but its vertical but won't water come gushing out when I open it?
@SPL
@SPL 7 лет назад
Maybe. It depends on how your equipment is set up. I would have to see a photo. You can email it to: swimmingpoollearning@gmail.com
@chadaaron
@chadaaron 7 лет назад
thanks for replying.. it worked out fine.. love your videos!
@stevenschrock
@stevenschrock 3 года назад
Your the best ...!!!!!!
@mikenorris3433
@mikenorris3433 Год назад
At 4:47 I have the same orange check valve. Do you know who make's It? Might be needing a replacement valve if cleaning it up doesn't do the trick. Thanks a lot!
@SPL
@SPL Год назад
Maybe an NDS 2"
@wwbaseball94
@wwbaseball94 8 лет назад
Question: my spa suction is off, so it can't be draining from there, so it must be draining from the return line, as it goes through the spa return line, will it go through the pool return line, or back through the filter then pump then pool suction lines?
@SPL
@SPL 8 лет назад
Maybe leaking through return lines.
@mpnewhart8022
@mpnewhart8022 6 лет назад
I noticed last night the internal part of my spa Jets is deteriorating . I could actually pull a large part of plastic out. Can I replace the internal parts only or do I buy the entire assembly? What is the correct name of these parts? Thanks as always for your help.
@SPL
@SPL 6 лет назад
spa jets are all a bit different. You would have to take a photo into your local pool store to match the jet brand.
@FcDahl
@FcDahl 7 лет назад
Can I use Vaseline instead of magic Lube?
@SPL
@SPL 7 лет назад
No. Vaseline will break down the o-ring. A silicone base lube is fine if you can't find magic lube.
@coevers1962
@coevers1962 2 года назад
Interesting video. Our Spa has Always drained down when the pump is not on (new pool). I assumed this was normal. Is it possible the check valve was installed backwards? I have had other plumbing issues that I had to fix, clearly the pool builder was not very good with plumbing. And out of business now, but that is another story.....
@SPL
@SPL 2 года назад
Yes- that is common. Maybe have a local pool service give it a look over.
@SonicAttack16b
@SonicAttack16b 5 лет назад
Can this issue cause my water bill to spike? My bill tripled in the last couple months and I just noticed this same issue is happening. I found a broken valve that I’m going to replace but not sure if that will fix my water bill from rising month after month.
@SPL
@SPL 5 лет назад
It's possible the spa is actually leaking. You only notice it when the system turns off. Do you have an autofill on your pool? If so turn it off and see if the water level drops.
@RichandDee
@RichandDee 4 года назад
It would have helped to get a wide shot showing where these valves are located. All you show are CUs of each of these.
@bludika
@bludika 9 лет назад
Hello, can you help me out with this problem, okay i have a pool with an elevated spa that water falls into the spa, the set up is, American Products Pump, with 1 jandy valve for pool/spa suction with a check valve on the spa suction side which is before the jandy valve , then another jandy with pool/spa return with this mueller check valve in between the 2 return lines. Issue is, even though i do 100 pool suction, it still drains the spa about 30%. What seems to be the issue? I have lubed and replaced all the o-rings of the lid, brand new jandy valves and o rings, new pentair filter o-ring, new backwash valve o ring, so i dont know what is the issue. Also, whenever i put it to 100% pool suction, the prime will lose about 30% water, it still sucks in the water, but i can see it in the pump basket that it immediately loses it's full prime, only when i turn the jandy valve to about 20% pool suction/80% spa suction then the pump basket gets filled back up with water. I cannot possible see where the air leak is, but the only thing i know 100% is the disharge water leak, which i need to repair, but since that's the pressure side, it does not have any effect on the suction side, correct? Please let me know what you think and thank you in advanced.
@SPL
@SPL 9 лет назад
bludika When there is a discharge leak it is more obvious because the water pressure will push not only air but water out. Usually there is a leak also right before the pump - you cannot see it because water doesn't usually leak out.
@bludika
@bludika 9 лет назад
yea i understand, but this is what i dont get, i said it wrong, okay so the Check valve is on the Pool suction side, BEFORE the jandy valve. See, when i do 100% pool suction with the vacuum not attached to the skimmer, the pump primes just fine, so does the 100% spa suction. BUT when it's on 100% pool suction, and i attach a fully primed vacuum hose (kreepy krauly, the exact model you reviewed that blue and grey one) the pump immediately starts losing prime, and the prime goes down by about 30%, i can see from the pump basket it is still suctioning water but it's also sucking in a lot of air hence the pump basket is not fully filled with water, BUT as soon as i remove the vacuum hose from my skimmer suction hole, the prime is back to normal. I don't know what's wrong with the vacuum that it's causing the pump to lose the prime. See thing is, instead of doing 100% pool suction, when i do it about 80% Pool/20% spa suction, THEN the prime gets back to normal, but the issue is, my spa water level goes down due to suctioning AND returning at the same time. I want to do it 100% pool suction but it's not letting me due to loss of prime when it's 100% pool suction with the vacuum hose attached. I checked almost everywhere, and i don't see or hear any air leak in the suction side. The only thing i know is the water leak at the discharge which i need to fix, does this leak have any affect at all?
@HonDaPursuit
@HonDaPursuit 3 года назад
I lubed the ortega Valve VAL-PAK V20-069 twice, spa still drains when pump is off. After I cleaned my pentair flt fns pls60 DE fillter , run quick clean, the following day , it drained again. Do I need to replace the ortega Return valve and 1lb spring? Or what do you suggest I’ve been skipping. Thanks.
@SPL
@SPL 3 года назад
Those parts are hard to find but it sounds like that valve is pretty worn out. You can try to replace the insert and spring as a 1st step.
@HonDaPursuit
@HonDaPursuit 3 года назад
@@SPL replace both 1lb spring and the insert , it did work but only after that quick clean. the following day , still losing water. Any idea for the 2nd step?
@Oceansky521
@Oceansky521 6 лет назад
leak or check valve!
@lfergie8
@lfergie8 7 лет назад
Okay so I tried to open the check valve and its stuck. What should I do now? It's so tight that I didn't want to break it.
@SPL
@SPL 7 лет назад
You are referring to the Ortega 2" check valve - the one that is solid and has a twist off cap? Then using a pair of Channel Locks on it will get it off.
@lukassokas9364
@lukassokas9364 7 лет назад
nice
@frankb.8376
@frankb.8376 4 года назад
Hi. My spa has always done this. I just thought it was normal. I looked and realized I don't have a check valve installed on my spa return side. Is this a problem? Does it really matter? Thanks for any info.
@SPL
@SPL 4 года назад
Doesn't matter in any regards except it is unsightly for the spa to be lower when the pool turns off. Maybe install a check valve to solve the issue.
@frankb.8376
@frankb.8376 4 года назад
@@SPL thanks for taking the time to reply. I appreciate it. Any preference on valve brand/type for the check valve should I choose to plumb one in?
@FloridaNative83
@FloridaNative83 5 лет назад
So as the spa drains back into the pool, it should raise the level of the pool also, right??
@SPL
@SPL 5 лет назад
Unless the spa sits very high above the pool it won't be very noticeable.
@petroldevo9934
@petroldevo9934 5 лет назад
A friend of mine had the same problem and since i have experience with spas, he asked me to check it out. I found zero leaks, zero mechanical problems and i was stumped.... so this went on for a couple weeks with the same issue. So one day i asked him to set up a trail cam facing the spa. He asked why, so i said, since you live in the mountains, i think i know where your water drop is coming from. The trail cam captured just about every animal indigenous to the area drinking from the spa every night ! Now its covered all night long. Just thought id share this weird story. Not everything is what it seems.
@kushking9636
@kushking9636 5 лет назад
The one hes removing is that for the pump or spa
@SPL
@SPL 5 лет назад
For the spa bypass
@amw99
@amw99 2 года назад
Hi. Love your show. First time caller. Long time listener. My Jandy valve is vertical, I think whoever installed it put it in the opposite way of the water flow, and i'd like to turn it around. When I unscrew the valve, a flood of water comes pouring out and I can't figure out how to stop it so that i might be able to assess the situtaion. Any ideas?
@SPL
@SPL 2 года назад
It could be the equipment is below the water level. In that case remove the pump basket and put a tennis ball in the skimmer hole. That should stop the flow.
@amw99
@amw99 2 года назад
@@SPL thanks
@dilippatel3268
@dilippatel3268 5 лет назад
very good info thanks
@Caaracu
@Caaracu 6 лет назад
I haven't been able to locate the leak in my pool the only clue I have it's my spa drains lower than my pool water level.. any suggestions
@SPL
@SPL 6 лет назад
Could be in the spa return jets.
@donthephoneman7084
@donthephoneman7084 2 года назад
I had same problem . Changed out my check valve. But it still would slowly drop water level in my jacuzzi. I finally change out my diverter valve and it fixed it.
@guszanfardino5188
@guszanfardino5188 8 лет назад
My pool drained over a foot of water during the night when pump was off. Spa level was ok. Next day i took the automatic sweeper hose and put it in the spa, again the pump was off and the following day same thing happened ...a foot of water also drained from the spa. I do not see a check valve in the system . I do have a CVA-24t valve. What could be wrong??????
@SPL
@SPL 8 лет назад
+Gus Zanfardino I would have to see a photo of your equipment area to be sure of your check valve. You can email them to swimmingpoollearning@gmail.com
@guszanfardino5188
@guszanfardino5188 8 лет назад
+Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 Just sent them..Thanks
@graphguy
@graphguy 6 лет назад
ok... how do you get the hot tub to refill?
@SPL
@SPL 6 лет назад
Leave it in pool suction mode, turn the valve to spa return. It will fill up quickly.
@graphguy
@graphguy 6 лет назад
So as it is right now, my pool is not pumping water, the robot wont' work, the hot tub drains. That tells me the actuator that stopped working is the one that controls the valve that allows water to come from the pool to the equipment. Can I take off the actuator and manually turn the valve so that I can repower the system to get the filter/pump/robot going? I have a service call in for them to come fix it, but I don't want to have the pool not being filtered until they get here as this happened Friday night.
@theclassicbrown
@theclassicbrown 2 года назад
Does the water drain into the pool?
@SPL
@SPL 2 года назад
Usually unless there is a leak.
@TheJakeman789
@TheJakeman789 10 лет назад
what about when you go to turn the spa on, and the it just starts draining down and the pool gets hot and the water goes into the pool and the water is still being returned to the tub?
@SPL
@SPL 10 лет назад
The spa suction valve is turned wrong or if you have an automated system the valve actuator is not working. Maybe send me a photo of your valves and I can advise: www.swimmingpoollearning.com/
@TheJakeman789
@TheJakeman789 10 лет назад
Oh I don"t own the spa, I was recently down in a vacation home in south florida where this pool and spa was. Thanks anyway. One more thing, i noticed when this switch was on, the pool pump only pumped water from the spa not out of the pool. So when the spa was drained, the pump starting to run dry, it was just really weird. Thanks again!
@electricalsmokealarmsandmo1564
@electricalsmokealarmsandmo1564 3 года назад
Why do pools have a main drain on the side of the pools
@SPL
@SPL 3 года назад
Let me check with some builders and get back to you. I have an idea of why but not 100% sure.
@electricalsmokealarmsandmo1564
@electricalsmokealarmsandmo1564 3 года назад
Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To - SPL ok. Just wondering. I thing the one on the side is connected to the back hole of the skimmer but I don’t know exactly.
@lilysadeghi9486
@lilysadeghi9486 Год назад
I change my back valve but sap water still goes down
@SPL
@SPL Год назад
It could be another issue. Also check for a leak maybe.
@lilysadeghi9486
@lilysadeghi9486 Год назад
@@SPL it will refilled again like three inches go down the old valve was looks so bad before go have way down
@Hands4Surgery
@Hands4Surgery 9 лет назад
P=rho*g*h If spa is above pool level (h), and If water can pass between them somehow, spa will drain to pool level. I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just make Sure that (pool+spa) system As a whole is not losing water (which of course would then be a problem) Good luck
@Jkstolz
@Jkstolz 7 лет назад
Our hit tub water rises when the pump is on.. bigtime
@SPL
@SPL 7 лет назад
Probably the return valve is set on "spa" - I am guessing.
@keagan1447
@keagan1447 8 лет назад
What if your spa is not raised
@SPL
@SPL 8 лет назад
+keagan !! Usually only happens in spas that are elevated over the pool water line.
@keagan1447
@keagan1447 8 лет назад
+Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 ok and thank you
@joseroco56
@joseroco56 5 лет назад
@@keagan1447 v
@stepowell7
@stepowell7 8 лет назад
OMG I have never figured out why my Spa drains to 50% after I turn the pump off. I went as far as buying plugs for each of the returns to see if it was that :) I dont have a check valve so I assume that is what I need ?
@SPL
@SPL 8 лет назад
Yes, a check valve will solve the problem in most cases.
@petroldevo9934
@petroldevo9934 5 лет назад
Wasn't that pool in a movie scene !?
@Jimmy06blue
@Jimmy06blue 6 лет назад
0:11 that’s a nice pool and spa
@SPL
@SPL 6 лет назад
Yes it is - very nice customers too.
@joefish1498
@joefish1498 6 лет назад
Am I right that a faulty check valve cannot be the cause of the water level of the pool dropping?
@SPL
@SPL 6 лет назад
Correct. It could be a leak in the pool.
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