My Tesla Model Y Is On Its Third Battery - Here's The Story 

Who exactly is lying? Maybe most people just do not experience battery failure? I have not seen Tesla Bjorn lie for example, he has shown some degraded battery cars. I have also seen a guy ripping to shreds Opel Astra because the engine failed and other stuff and xalling them crap while mine is 12 years old and running like champ. One guy gates Toyota because he got a lemon… Lemons do exist, maybe there are more of those with EVs now but probably people whose batteries fail with want to ralk about that more often than those whose batteries do not fail

@@lkrnpk Too bad most blind ev fans even if the car has a problem try to make excuses that it's just a rare occurence when it's not. I have basically two opels one is an old now 28 year old astra F with 300+ thousand kilomters no issues except rust because it is what it is and other one a late 2003 opc, bertone version it sucks balls i owned for 1,5 half years from that half was spent on electric and computer problems and still doesn't run not even start at least i don't lie about it, no defending nothing. But if we see the biger pictures opel astras F and G models 10+ million were made worldwide 95+% worknig and stood the tes tof time. The smae can't be said about electric cars.

Yeah but the technology is in its infancy and many people said when Model S came out that the cars and batteries would be dead in 6-8 years but now they are driving at 12-13 years of age, at least some of them :D. They are so new, the long range generation, that it is hard to know how it will be and new chemistries and batteries come out all the time, it could happen like that, that tomorrow there really is a battery that will live for more than 20 years with maybe some cell replacement, if there is not already@@maszkalman3676

@@lkrnpk I've seen videos with EV owners coming with genuine problems with their Tesla just to be attacked by Tesla/Musk worshipers. Then they have to defend themselves and prove their problems are real. It's crazy how some people buy into an idea and worship it beyond reason.

It's true that such things happen too, it cannot be denied, there are also some who have invested in Tesla stock and for whom therefore Tesla is infallible and they even do not like the idea of other car makers making good EVs@@faster6329

Tesla replaced the batteries so they did, in fact, do the right thing

In this case they did the "right" for them thing but where it gets difficult is for out of warranty failures, where right to repair because more important.@@theotherphil

@@theotherphil You don't understand, the right to repair laws mean third party can fix the product, not only the maker. Tesla don't want or sell any parts to the others specialised in EV garage that are able to fix it too. Example in this case, I bet it not a cell as the owner think is the trouble but a trouble with something with the BMS or part of it (My jugement based on the rapid degradation and no Error on the voltage). Bms is only a mini electrical control board, cost ??? 20$ maybe for the part. Of course Tesla prefer to sell a new battery pack for 13 000$, way much profit for Tesla and if this fear the owner to buy new car, again better for Tesla probably again. Right now, to replace this 20$ electrical board, specialized EV garage need now to buy used part to be able to fix Tesla since Tesla still don't allow it....

@@sergiomomesso1590 Why would you want to repair when it’s still under warranty? It’s easier and cheaper for Tesla to swap out the whole pack, get you back on the road in the shortest time frame and worry about repair/ recycle later.

Tesla is not the only manufacturer that does this. Ask farmers about repairing tractors.

It becomes scrap

EVs are not going to last there are lot of flaws the battery is not good enough to be put into cars, the resale values of these cars are worst among other cars , the battery economics is a scam , sooner than later the consumers are going to know the truth, hydrogen fuel cell is the future, hydrogen has a energy density of 38000 wh/kg, best tesla byd batteries have energy density of just 500 wh/kg, there is no way you can match them, US and Chinese govts wants you buy electric cars every 3-4 years , they get huge kickbacks from these companies , the Chinese govt is running Lithium scam business 😁😁

@@safeandeffectivelol It doesn't. The faulty module is replaced and the pack is put back into service in a different car.

Transmission also

What do you think they’re doing with cell phone used battery trash cans at the Best Buy’s of the world.

Honestly you could probably sue Tesla for it. Under warranty, especially during the first year, they have to provide an equivalent or better replacement. Not a worst one. Imagine if an ICE car maker were to replace your motor with a used one, or repair it with used part, nobody would accept that. There is no reason for Tesla to get away with it.

Stupid question, the tesla accepts an OBD tool? Is it a regular OBDII hookup or is it a specific OBD tool? Just got my Model3 P about 9 months ago, I haven’t had a problem yet so I don’t know much about the car except driving it. Any information will be helpful, thanks in advance.

@@fdeguilla specific cable that can hook to a standard obd reader

Any OBD or Tesla specific units?

@barn2255 not sure which industry you refer to. Any warranty claim I ever had either repaired my product or replaced any broken part with a new one. Especially in the car industry, never heard of a second-hand part being installed. Even when replacing entire motors under warranty om ICE a new one gets installed.

Fuuukkk. Bought a model x a few months ago and it’s only been great. Hope things with out soon

I got it back and everything is fine. I got a new battery was installed a week later we will see how long it lasts. I love the model x in every way it is my dream car. I also have a model y and love it. I just wanted to put this message out in the open for people who have possibly went through the same or it might happen to in the future.

Agreed, I'd never buy a Tesla but was researching other ev's for a potential future purchase, na, I'll keep my well maintained diesel until the doors fall off.

This was done under warranty. Besides the replacement my car has been VERY low maintenance. As I said in the video the rest of the car mechanically has been flawless.

or just watch any mark mills video of the past 5 years

​@@chargepozitiveI think the problem is that, with most things electric, things are treated as disposable rather than repairable. Had this not occurred under warranty, you'd have been in a world of hurt such that the car isn't worth repairing due to the cost involved. An EV with no battery is worth parts.

@@chargepozitive I have driven my Toyota over 100,000 miles and have had nothing repair not even under warranty

​​@@chargepozitivehard to believe that our ancestors used to be rugged frontiersmen and farmers. But I'm sure you are living the dream fella

As a gas powered car owner, seeing the nonsense you need to do and how bad teslas are, it just shows that gas powered cars are better and better for the environment. People who own EV's are suckers who have little grip on actual science or common sense as any one who can believe that a gas that plants need to grow, a gas nicknamed the gas of life, the gas that is so low in environmental atmospheric concentration, a gas that makes up only 0.04 percent will cause us all to die if it bumps up to 0.04 percent while using fossil fuels that they have found on a moon of Saturn that is actually renewable. Enjoy. Everyone loves seeing my car when I take it out. I get filmed, pictures taken, people want to sit in it. I get stopped in traffic and people talk to me while we wait at a light. And may gas powered car is about as fast as a Tesla too.

It doesn't matter because all of these batteries have potential to spontaniously combust. That is a WHOLE other set of problems and issues with loads; insurance; safety; more government regulation; weight restrictions on roadways; recertifications of building codes; etc.. The government pushing these 'lawn ornaments' tells me that these 'tree huggers' are not in REALITY!

They wanted to go fullEV by 2030 I say fuc|< that. I would never go EV. EV Battery just suck period. Look at power tool batteries for example. I remember they tried to push a battery lawnmower and that failed immediately and now they’re trying to ban all gas power equipment tools. Give me a break.

@@darksideblues135 oh you are the guy who calls others suck at science? And why do scientists worry about carbon concentration in the athmosphere? Do they all suck at science or are they bought? Well, yes you are a guy from the internet who claims knowing better than anyone else with no ecvidence. Make sense to just trust your BS.

Swap able batteries is the best solution for EV’s.

Yes, cell balancing just brings the maximum voltage of a single set of parallel cells in a series string to the same value once fully charged. The capacity of the battery is limited entirely by the capacity of the weakest set of parallel cells. If a single cell's fuse dies, the entire pack's capacity from then on will be reduced by the rating of that one cell. I believe Tesla's modules are put in series (something like 46P 24S per pack and 4 packs in series), so if a single cell goes, it'll be just over 2% extra degradation. That makes it odd why sometimes the capacity goes down so drastically, and points to something else than just the battery cells dying. Perhaps there's some connection issue. (Edit: that's with the 2170 cells)

Good call!

Name that dealership, they certainly are doing that to rip off customers. There is no way using rebuild part for warranty works, unless it is a really old one out of warranty and the customer is aware of it. My company had an 2001 Honda odyssey, it has a transmission failure under warranty, that model year is known for transmission design issue, it was replaced with brand transmission. That is the only experience that I had for the past 30 year with replacement of major drive train components for Honda or Toyota.

@@haihengh not a rip off. It is the modus operandis for EV battery replacements. The only time an EV will ever have a new battery pack is when it leaves the factory.

"Could be a year, a month or a week." - or a decade.

EVs are not going to last there are lot of flaws the battery is not good enough to be put into cars, the resale values of these cars are worst among other cars , the battery economics is a scam , sooner than later the consumers are going to know the truth, hydrogen fuel cell is the future, hydrogen has a energy density of 38000 wh/kg, best tesla byd batteries have energy density of just 500 wh/kg, there is no way you can match them, US and Chinese govts wants you buy electric cars every 3-4 years , they get huge kickbacks from these companies , the Chinese govt is running Lithium scam business 😁😁

That's so crazy to me that's like getting a gas car and the gas tank gets smaller as the car gets older.

@@spectrexr1 Well in a gas car the tank doesn't get smaller, but it will get less efficient over time. That amount to the same effect.

@@marcelreijnen not that less efficient lol. I had a 93 Fox body mustang that drove well for 10 years definitely didn't have 7% range degradation per year lmao

@@marcelreijnen That is just not true,i have 2003 diesel which i still use for puling caravan and still consume same like it was new 20 years ago.I wanted to trow away that car like 5 years ago but it just dont want to die and pulls caravan that is same weight as a car all this years

If you're curious the invoice for the repair order will show a -RMN in the part number for the replacement pack if it is a remanufactured unit.

There are a lot of EV rideshare drivers now. Som have way more miles and their battery is fine. Some were not like the Uber on KimJava video.

@@chargepozitive I'll have to check out her video next. I'm really interested to know how's your overall experience driving for Lyft with your model y? I'm gonna be making a video on mine pretty soon

@@TheRealMerchyBautista same here!

@@chargepozitive While there aren't that many videos out there with people having battery issues (at least for Tesla), I think it's clear that when there ARE problems, the combo is always the same: a ton of miles + super charging exclusively. I've had my Tesla Model Y Long Range almost 2 months now. I've super charged only once and that was just to see how it's done. I charged to 80% like always and only needed to add 30 miles or so. The average person, who's putting 15K miles or less on their car every year and is using an L1/L2 charger 90% of the time will end up with a car that gives you 300K miles or more.

I had a Mach E before they are known for being very reliable except the HVJB issue and the software glitches. I am sure you can do it

Best chance of getting 120K miles from a new pack is to only use slow charge.

Yeah doesn't sound like a great experience.

So who is telling the truth?

They should stand behind their products and processes!! THIS LESSON IS USEFULL FOR ALL old & new customer =looking a tesla !!! Pease don for get this LESSON !!

120,000 miles and 8 years. Seems reasonable. How many auto manufacturers warranty their drive trains that long? Just saying…

@@dr.markevers8331 drive train doesn't cost 13K~20K

Why not just skip the EV purchase altogether. Problem solved.

@extremedrivr chicken and the egg problem, if we won't buy them they won't evolve

What is there so much talk about “fast charging?” Does anyone really know what fast charging does to batteries? To long for me to explain. But they will tell any lies/not full truth about fast charging to sell EV’s.

@@gerrydave7586 Most EV fanbois are in denial about fast charging's effects on battery life. They are also in denial about extreme cold or hot climate's effects on battery life.

@@gerrydave7586electrician here. Yeah fast charging is obviously terrible for batteries. Which everyone should know, as fast charging is bad for phone battery too.

Range anxiety?😂😂 you sound like you have cats and a lot of them too. Im sure picking out flavored ice cream is a challenge for you. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Most battery disassembly available online show that most BMS failing do so due to humidity in the pack. Having the BMS in the battery itself is really a bad design choice from Tesla.

I just had to spend $9,000 on a new transmission for a Subaru Outback that was six years newer than your car with 130K miles. That's like a battery going out, pretty much.

​@@incognitotorpedo42Subaru isn't as reliable as Toyota unfortunately. If you're doing a lot of miles, a Toyota is probably best cost per mile over the ownership.

​@@incognitotorpedo42In Europe, Subaru is considered the worst car manufacturer, even the Italian Fiat is better.

@@SKYLIMIReally? How reliable is VW there? I heard that VWs are considered reliable in Europe. They’re considered unreliable here in the US

30,000k for gas,with an mpg of 30 price of 4.50 per gallon without gas spikes. Vehicle 8,000 purchase or more. Struts,springs and rubber are probably due.2k DIY and dealership 3.5k. 70 dollars per service every 8 thousands miles 1,750 dollars. 2.5k for tires on that mileage. 40k + assuming your car has had no issues,no car accidents or small repairs.Next year annual expenses are still coming. In a way you’re paying every year for half of battery 🤷🏻‍♂️

FYI motor not engine.

No big deal. It is called General Motors and Ford Motors, we know what it means when they are not using the term they should.@@haywoodmorganjr1326

Do you recall where you read this? I'd like to share this story.

@@aaron___6014 Just Google "Sixt dropping Tesla" and there are plenty of articles

​@@aaron___6014'he says she says' - 'I heard about it' - 'my neighbour told me'

well messing around with Gruber you can also have your car end up a TOTAL LOSS. conspicuously everybody keeps ignoring the not 1 but 2 MASSIVE LION BATTERY FIRES that guy has had burning themselves out of "business" and home (Pepperidge Farm Remembers). yeah, i'm still wondering who's their Insurance provider...?

You have to understand that re-manufacturing a pack is not "swapping a few cells". Rich over at RichRebuilds still has to charge a lot of money when he "repairs" a pack. The labour and the skill level, the safety requirements etc is significant. Quite often, the issue isn't bad cells, it's water ingress and damaged communication boards. The description of the process in this video is incorrect. They don't salvage the cells. They pull any damaged modules and boards and replace them. The process is pull the battery, open the battery without damaging the case permanently, diagnose the fault, replace the damaged parts and re-seal the battery to "as new" condition. It's labour intensive and a minimum two person operation because you're dealing with extremely high DC voltages. Tesla can probably do it cheaper because they will have access to wholesale new parts and battery modules.

So if significant supercharging prematurely erodes Tesla batteries, then Teslas should only be used locally or where daily L2 charging is 80-90% available. This would then require a 2nd ICE vehile for road trips which hurts the push to all EV. Most road trips require 95-100% L3 charging as L2 infrastructure on the road is very limited when available.

The new packs are not serviceable at all. They are filling them full of polyurethane, which makes them impossible to work on.

If you pay for a new battery, you will get a new battery, not a remanufactured one as you are implying.

Try finding a few bad cells in thousands.... and you need to discharge the battery pack before messing inside it, makes the problem of finding those illusive bad cells even worse. The cells are in series and parallel connection making matters even worse.

Yeah most people are waking up to this whole ev scam and realising it’s bullsht ! EVs will never be a viable replacement for ICE vehicles until the technology is much better which is decades away. What will you ev evangelists do when insurance companies refuse to insure EVs because they are so dangerous with battery fires ? What will you do when the rare earth minerals needed to manufacture EVs are exhausted and become too expensive to mine ? These EVs are so far from being green and environmentally friendly it’s a joke,it’s not going to work until the technology is far better than it currently is. Fossil fueled vehicles are going to be around for many decades,anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional.

The experience should be a hard lesson of I told you so. Don't waste your money on an EV.

@@extremedrivr some people are just clueless about common sense and logic.

@@IDGAF56852 Yes they are.

it's fairly common practice for autoshops and manufacturers to use warrantied remanufactured/rebuilt parts.

⁠@@bigfootandbananaman4746if I’m understanding my remanufactured engine correctly it is just cobbled together with various aged/worn parts it is not 100% new. I really don’t know how old the small block is versus the cams but I hope they don’t have 110K hard miles on them for instance. If I get various aged/worn batteries in a replacement pack it would seem like the same idea. They still build the pack to spec and must meet release requirements I assume just like my engine

@@krisevonRemanufactured engines don’t really “wear” all the parts like the packs do. The majority of the wear parts will be new and I’d expect a reman ICE engine to last every bit as long as a new engine. Things like rings, bearings, and seals will not be reused. Generally that’s the stuff that wears out with age.

Common even in the mobile phone industry. Warranty replacements are often refurbished devices. As long as refurbished/remanufactured objects are held to a good enough standard, this is better for environmental and economic reasons. That said, if the refurbished/remanufactured versions aren’t as good as new or within 99%, something needs to be done imo.

@@bigfootandbananaman4746 Not true. A remanned engine does indeed include many old/used parts in them, and you're now relying on a technician at the local service center to rebuild the engine, vs having the manufacture rebuild it. And where is your proof that a remanned battery won't last as long as a new battery? It might not have the capacity of a new battery, but the life span can very easily be just as long as a new battery.

MX-5 NC + PRHT, Thank Christ! : )

Don’t get a new 5.3. My 22 suburban eats oil and that AFM fouls out plugs. Stupid emissions crap that we don’t even need because c02 doesn’t affect the climate.

I'd expect a brand new battery under warranty as well. When the traction battery on my Prius went out around year 9, it was out of warranty in my area ( 10 years in california, 8 elsewhere ), but I called Toyota corporate on the advice of the Prius forums, and they offered to give me a brand new battery pack for half price under a "good faith warranty". I went with that rather than an after market rebuild. At year 16 it is apparently still running well though I sold it to a co-worker last year for his 16 year old son to drive.

So, let’s say my RAV4 engine failed internally while under warranty. On what planet would I be OK with Toyota finding a used engine with “about” the same usage and me, the customer, allowing them to install it in my vehicle that I had purchased new? And in the severely unlikely event that I did allow such nonsense, I would insist that the warranty coverage start over to cover the replaced part, above and beyond the original time and mileage period. Your presence on RU-vid telling the world of your experience is your only shot at getting fair and equitable treatment from the manufacturer. God have mercy on the rest.

Remanufactured engines are used all the time. @@montyboy5436

problem is EV's are worthless second hand especially high mileage, lucky to get back 25% of what he paid for it

@@michaeledwards8079 under 20k$ seems to be the price of an out of warranty tesla.

This is good to know. You go a subreddit for Tesla and everyone will tell you otherwise.

@@begley09 yeah no im very straightforward lol. i just had to pay 3k for a new a/c last week im over it

won't happen, or it would also have happened on ICE motors...

Are you also always super charging? My guess is you are. It's really hard to put 40K+ miles on your car every year without super charging, because there simply aren't enough hours in the day. I don't care what Tesla says, 40K+ miles a year + always super charging = you're putting too much stress on the battery. If you want your car to last you 300K+ miles, do yourself a favor and use an L1/L2 charger 90% of the time. Oh, and if you're planning on doing ride share or door dash or something where you can put up to 100K miles in one year, that means you'll have no choice but to super charge. Forget it, in that instance, get a used Honda Civic and beat it til death. EVs aren't made for that.

@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 ya I am 100% SC live in an apt and commute 200mi a day

@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403I drive 40k a year without supercharging my model y

We should all know what “warranty” can mean on batteries. People need to “educate” themselves about batteries before jumping ship into an EV. I know batteries and will never purchase an EV. Let’s invest in hydrogen power.

It is not true. I saw another video, someone paid $9K to replace model 3 battery and he gets a refurbished one.

But with an ICE car, when you get any part replaced under warranty it is a brand new part. Also in an accident they only replace parts with new not used.

Only 40. LOL.. I get 13-15 mpg.

We have a 2010 Highlander with 150,000 miles and the battery shows just about a full charge.

Cheap to replace or repair - at least they are in the UK.

It's not that terribly difficult to replace the battery in a prius. Plus you can replace it with a pack that's both smaller and more energy dense now. But that last part is wishful. You either get more range or cheaper, you don't get both. Even solid state either means EVs with more range but much more expensive or same range but similar priced. The only way to get both is to just have a more efficient vehicle. But considering everyone wants an SUV or crossover today, that seems unlikely. Especially today where people even think sedans, which are still huge, are tiny death traps.

My 20 year old '04 Prius is still running with its original battery.

Model Y long range has 2170 cells. Only the standard range had 4680 and currently it’s not being produced as the Cybertruck is taking all of those cells. If your Model 3 has the 2170 cells, then it is the same pack as your model Y.

Don't park it too close to anything.🌋

@@leoncardinal2035 Nonsense.

With all the negative EV news around, used prices plummeting and talk of failing infrastructure (chargers), financing will be sure to take a hit. Would you be prepared to buy this model given what you've seen here? Only if there was a lifetime battery warranty.

I might give $1000 for it. Maybe.

If anyone telling you their family has 6 cars of the same brand, one need to replace major drive train components replaced under warranty, most people will think that brand is piece of shit car manufacturers.

@@haihengh most people don't comprehend world around them which leads to stupid conclusions.

i am willing to bet that owning a Tesla for 10 years+ vs owning something like a Toyota Camery, the Tesla is going to end up costing most people more money in the long run.

@@tomzphone certainly it will, more electronic, which will break down in about 7-10 years, I used to have a 2003 MB C240, the entire dash is a single unit, and it breaks in 2012, i lost all driving info, the car can still go but i just can't read how fast it goes and how much gas i have in the tank, it cost me 4k for the repair, the car only worth 6k if everything works fine. toyota on the other hand, they are known for using very old but proven tech, which has a tendency last much longer. that's why for a lot of 1990s toyota, when a lot of things are falling apart after years of use, but the car still runs. tesla, on the other hand, uses a lot of fancy stuff, but it is just prone to have more failures.

Nobody is going to buy your 6 Tesla's when you are done with them. Nobody

Honestly you shouldn't have to do that on such a tech-focused car especially one with a giant screen. The days of hooking up and OBD dongle with secret codes should be in the past.

Be careful with those full time dongles, as they can fry the electronics in the car under operation.

It doesn't cost ad much.

There is a core charge on the battery. If you want to keep the pack being replaced you can. So theis guy needs to learn how to ask simple questions at the service center. The way you treat the battery is the same way you treat the engine in an ICE car. If the engine goes then you buy a new one. If youre driving for a living youve already come out ahead on cost.

@@sparksmcgee6641 Can you explain in more details? Can I ask Tesla to fix my battery and reinstall it back on my car?

@andrep1174 no because it would cost X4 of what it costs to return the core and take the refurbished. You can do it yourself if you want. Core charges have been standard in the auto industry for close to a 100 years. Get a rebuilt engine, transmission, battery you get credit for returning the core, or spent part. I think you get a credit of $10,000 for your tesla battery. Pay full price or get 10k off returning the old one.

@@sparksmcgee6641 An rebuilt engine costs about $6000 in most sedans. If you don't have a home charger, you'll be sitting at a charging station for hours at least once or twice a week. If you drive for a living and don't have a home charger, don't get an EV.

Adding another cost to EV ownership

@@chrissmith2114 The way I see it In aviation and potentially with Batteries that can cost more than the vehicle Chris, it's a way mitigate a potentially catastrophic unplanned expense and minimal down time in the event of a failure, that could render an owner making payments on and asset that if unusable severely devalued. Aviation MSP/Power by the Hour' programs are often less expensive than engine ownership as the provider has large pool of resources and can re-manufacture engines for less than a factory reman or new. And if the airframe were to become airworthy the operator can simply send the engines back and scrap the airframe. With Private Jets, an operator can buy an aircraft less engines for about 1/3 or less the cost of an aircraft with engines included. And can run with top quality engines for an hourly charge, and offset additional costs with the lower capitol cost. If Tesla owner start experiencing battery problems as you have encountered, perhaps battery insurance might be worthwhile.

@@jackoneil3933 I have never had or needed engine or fuel tank insurance on any ICE car, so battery insurance will be just another cost of EV ownership

​@@chrissmith2114 Indeed. But when you buy a new car you are paying for a warranty (Insurance) for everything on that vehicle. If one needs or chooses to buy a vehicle that has $18,000 component with a finite and risk of unpredictable failure, leasing such a component can be a cost-effective option if your have high utilization and re saving a significant amount on operation costs such as fuel, on that vehicle vs. an alternative ICE vehicle. Low-use private owners of Private Jets tend to own their engines that could be $450,000 each and lease their engines if they are high-use commercial operators. I was trying to draw a parallel to high-use commercial Tesla operators, as as suggestion for a service. For example, If a company provides you a battery on a five year 200,000 mile basis, basis for $20,000 over that term that's $0.10/per mile and $4,000 per year or $333.33 per month, that you can write-off as a direct operating lease cost, and if the battery ever fails you get a fast replacement for not much more than taking out a loan on a replacement battery that might fail at any time. A comparable ICE Vehicle is going to be about $0.15 to $0.24/per mile for fuel vs. $0.10 per mile for battery reserve and $.05 to $0.18 per mile for home vs. Supercharging, so even if you got 5 years out of your owned Tesla battery the leased battery would only add about 20 to 30% to your battery cost. If your owned battery only lasts 60,000 miles you the leased battery cost is about 1/3. It may be a a bit of a foreign concept to grasp, but I've been running it for years on aircraft, and leasing engines is often the cheaper, safer way to operate.

​@@chrissmith2114​ exactly, an expense with EV's that heretofore consumers have been "suckered" (and "suckered themselves" not to put too fine a point on it) into believing doesn't exist... as anybody familiar with Fleet Maintenance will tell you (ref: Jack-O) EVERY vehicle made by Man has a "running cost" to one degree or another. yeah Hertz and now Sixt are seeing more clearly, but the reality is they both should've known better, and pros don't let laymen tell them how to run their business (since these laymen could be Frauds)... ultimately then costs can't be HIDDEN nor can they be ESCAPED, no, we just like playing "shell games" with costs to see if we can make someone else bear the burden.

Update?

Trade it for an ICE car.

They don't sell an LFP Model Y in the USA. The cheaper RWD one is supposedly still NMC 4680s.

@@seltzered No, they stopped making 4680 Model Y’s in October & started selling the CATL RWD model. That’s why the RWD Model is losing 50% of its tax credit next year. Not sure if the change was to make room for CyberTruck production in Austin or b/c the 4680’s were disappointing.

@@lh2338 a lot of initial news headlines and people (including myself) were hoping the Model Y rwd made at Giga Texas was using an LFP battery. They are not according to actual deliveries over the past month. Another alternative though might be the newer Ford Mach-E where some trim levels have LFP (and will list it on the Munroney sticker).

As mentioned above they stopped making the RWD trim in Austin. They’re importing the CATL RWD ones now. Just do a quick Google search & you’ll find the story posted in October at multiple outlets

That's the part that sucks about electric all these lame rules don't charge to much dont let the battery get to low. If I could never fill my truck completely full of fuel that would suck so essentially your rarely ever getting full range.

@@daryl9799 The newest generation of cells are LFP, which don't suffer range loss even when charged to 100 percent every day.

Lucky you. I have a 2018 Model 3 MR with 260 when new. Now 100% is 235. Daily charge is to 80% only, less than 10 times super charging, driven to less than 20% less than 20 times. I think the packs have gotten better over time.

@@drivingmecrazyinla9457 There might be some calendar aging going on as well. But you're right, the packs keep getting better. I'm going to trade my S if Tesla puts in the LFP batteries in them.

@@daryl9799 ICE vehicles have a lot more lame rules, you are just used to them. Don't floor before engine is warm. Don't drive it completely empty. Don't idle. Change this every x miles, change that after xx miles... Driving statistics show that virtually nobody needs the full range of their vehicle in one trip or on a daily basis, so it's a nothingburger for most people anyway.

Frequent supercharging is known to degrade the battery. Same with frequently charging to 100%.

What a shame. Pretty funny really, an ICE vehicle does better being driven high mileage.. EVs are so inferior

because of this one case? There are numerous examples of EVs requiring far less maintenance than an ICE vehicle over it's lifetime on RU-vid @@hobo1704

​@@hobo1704ICE vehicles get sooo much better with higher mileage. That's why they steadily appreciate the more you drive them!

@@Duder0n I am talking about driving them long distance everyday like taxi's.. it's mainly cold starts that wear out ICE engines.

Yea the remanufactured warranty sucks.

Why would they do that? Since they install a used pack, it probably won't survive another 8 years.

It's still terrible, I bought my 1983 datsun for only 600$ and it made it to 290,000 miles on its original components and got 50 mpg meaning 500 miles on its 10 gallon tank. I just don't think the majority of people could afford an ev, just the people who can afford to buy new cars every 8 years anyways.

For longevity, you are suppose to charge up to 80% and charge at 20%; otherwise you will kill your battery fast. Also supercharging is super bad, too.

It's the DC fast charging, if he's a Taxi driver, then he's likely going to 100% (which at the top of the pack is just a trickle charge anyway) and then he's immediately using up the power so (same as our phones) it's not like the battery is just SITTING around at full SOC, and keep in mind due to the internal safety buffer it's technically not really at 100%, no, it's only shown that way to the driver.

That wouldn’t cause this problem, if that were true then the whole pack would have degraded more evenly. It’s pretty obvious a cell or two failed (more likely), or he got a coolant leak into the battery (less likely). That would have happened anyway, supercharging or no.

@@HumbleBearcat some new Tesla Y have LFP batteries, thry have been used in China teslas since 2021, and you won’t need to worry about any 10%-80% rule as they do not degrade the same.

Yes and no. Charging from 0-100 makes it so your battery meets its rated cycle life. Avoiding the bottom and top 10-20% will increase it beyond its rated cycle life. Or in other words, dont worry about it.

Yeah. Imagine damaging by fully charging. These Tesla always have extra capacity

That's like the shop guy saying: "Did you use the stereo at full volume ?" If it cannot cope, why should it be able to give so many watts to the speakers....?!!!!!! Today there is no excuse to limit the probability of the not technical user to damage the product (except for rough All Terrain or careless driving bunping against physical things on purpose...)

Exactly what I was thinking. It sounds like this guy was an Uber driver supercharging to 100% every time. No quicker way to mess up the battery.

Every single battery issue I've seen has been from someone that is driving a ton of miles every year + super charging exclusively Kim Java showcased one guy who was driving 100K miles per year!!!! He was doing ride share, so of course, if you're putting that many miles on your car, you have no choice but to super charge. I know Tesla recently came out and said super charging has no negative impact on the battery. Admittedly, I've only seen 5 battery issue videos, but the pattern was always the same. I will agree with you that once a battery is out of warranty, if I have to pay $15k for a new battery, I should also receive credit for the battery I'm giving back. For example, I'm getting a new dishwasher today and for $50, they're taking away my old one. The only reason why they're only charging me $50 is because they're going to sell my old one for sure. I also would LOVE getting to the point where we could plug a diagnostic tool into an EV and find out, hey, 95% of the batteries are actually fine. Replace these batteries with new ones and your pack is actually fine. We all know old packs get recycled, but I'm sure when they do, they check each one and they don't even bother recycling the good ones.

@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 wrong, plenty of people made report of low mileage and AC charge batteries failing. From all the diy repair video or forum post that I've seen, the most common issue is humidity in the battery, which is not related to driving style.

@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 I don’t think you can replace individual cells in your Tesla battery pack.

Agreed. 80% is recommended and it says on the screen.

So its only long range rarely or it will break in short order? Great.

​@siraff4461 The possibility of increased degradation is not from charging to 90 or 100%, it's the car sitting at those levels all the time. If you charge to 100% and start driving then no problem. But if you charge 100% each day, drive 20 or 30 miles down to 91 or so, then charge up again to 100 each day it's sitting around idle at 90+ a large percentage of the time. So most charge to 80 on a daily basis and then to a 100 before they set out on longer journey. If you're driving 250+ miles each day then sure, charge to 100 each day and that's no problem.

@@siraff4461 Chill out. How often does one need more than 80% range?? 99.9999% of people use their cars for daily commutes of typically less than 30 miles and errands typically of only a few miles. So unless you're going on a trip, there's rarely a need to charge above 80% (and even then with all the chargers, I'd argue you don't even need to charge it above 80% for a trip).

@@kenbob1071 You just made a great argument for plug-in hybrids.

Tesla doesn’t replace the defective batteries with a new battery pack. They apparently use “refurbished” batteries. It is very possible that their refurbished process is not that thorough or maybe the refurbished pack is from older batteries.

@@billmcfattison3417 Exactly. Dealing with a used battery most likely means more old cells failed since there are over 4000 of them in a Model Y and the BMS is shutting some cell modules down. That's the one flawed part of the EV business model that keeps me away, battery degradation leading to a massive repair expense.

"Something else in the car..." That would be the driver. Every one of these bad battery complaint videos is a ride share driver charging to 100% daily and discharging to a low percentage. You can't charge NMC batteries to 100% every day and expect them to last.

​@billmcfattison3417 I agree. Being an avid tesla fan, I would look on their site for used vehicles. Practically overnight I noticed no more 13'-16' year teslas. I think they take the batteries from them.

Not identical, but I’ve had 3 new iPhones. Because they replace with refurbished. I’ve never had any issues with iPhones until they were refurbished.

I wonder if there has been any LFP pack replacements. For some reason the gurantee is only and 160.000 km for LFP where it is 192.000 km for NMC packs. Apparently the Berlin RWD model Y use LFP blade batteries which perform significantly better when supercharging than the CATL LFPs of the china build model 3.

Do you hear any comments and truth about ultimate disposal? Any real facts about battery degradation and effects of “fast charging” to make it all more palatable? So many hidden issues! Fantasy my friends.

I mean it's not really that surprising. Tesla has never had the reliability of Toyota. It's the main reason Toyota is so big. I see so many EV fans bashing Toyota for not getting in the game yet, but their sales are still doing fantastic and some of the hold outs have finally started moving to hybrids. I barely meet anyone anymore who wouldn't at least consider a hybrid. Only people I've seen otherwise are those who don't understand what a hybrid is.

@@Skylancer727 thank you for giving a reasonable response

The Tesla fanbois claim Tesla batteries last 1 million miles. None of them can show an example of an EV that has been driven for 1 million miles before needing the battery replaced. I have a 2008 Toyota with 350K miles and it still runs like new. I might be lucky if it gets to 500K without serious issues. This won't be due to quality, but things just wear out on the road. I'm not in denial of reality like Tesla fanbois.

It will last 8 years or 90,999 miles and a day later will go to shit lol.

​@@safeandeffectivelolDepends how many joints they smoke before making 1 mil claim! 1 joint=200,2 joints 400 mile ect lol

There's nothing to Iron out. EV's are NOT the future, and they never were. ICE car's are all we need. Say NO to Radical Environmentalism!!

This dude charged to 100% often (not recommended by Tesla) and drove 4 times more than the average person. I'd say he was a fringe case. There are many more millions of people who don't have this problem with their EVs.... especially Teslas....like me.

The reality is that still, the EV game is like the wild west. It's every man for himself. There's precious little governance and no policing of the industry. And, of course, all of the town's folk are rallying around the biggest gun slinging bully in town in the hope that they, themselves don't get thrown under the bus. Wait.

You can buy a brand new pack after warranty.

I just assumed replacement packs came with an added warranty. I never expected I got better treatment buying a hand rebuilt transmission for my 97 Camry from a junk yard compared to a $20K battery pack.

They talk about it when they advertise range and how to make a long distance trip. So if you follow their battery recommendations, you can't take long trips, regardless of how many chargers are installed along way.... well unless you want to travel 200 miles a day.

@@masterchainmale3827 I am not sure what went into your decision making on choosing this car. It seems that you did not match the car to your outlined requirements. Using supercharger 100% of the time and charge to 100% to the battery max can theoretically break your warranty, be happy that you got warranty replacement.

@@masterchainmale3827 I totally agree. We see this in modern advertisement in any product categories - they talk about great ways of using THE PRODUCT, but when you actually use it that way, they will tell you that it is actually excluded via their terms and conditions somewhere on page 1000 which you accepted by buying their product. As a harmless example: "Waterproof smartphones". There have been multiple "waterproof" smartphones which were only waterproof within the first few weeks after buying them. But of course the advertisement does not tell you this. However, you agree to the terms when you buy it without knowing. Here in Germany a car manufacturer (google it, I don't even dare writing the name or they will probably sue me with legalese) did the same with their electric vehicles, where they even when a step further with their first cars: They advertised great battery warranty but forgot to mention that you NEVER (that's right - NEVER) are allowed to discharge it below 10% or you will lose the warranty. A friend of mine found out the hard way after his battery died with less than 20k kilometers. You simply cannot trust any advertisement nowadays. One needs a lawyer friend and ask him to decipher the terms and conditions to find out what you are actually buying for your hard earned money.

They should charge only for cells that are bad it's very simple that also saves labor time. Currently what Tesla is doing with battery warranties is not really fair practice IMO.

@@MrRichardhsia1 that seems ridiculous. You buy a car with a particular range in capacity and you charge it at a Tesla charger but it affect the capacity. Can’t be used all the time nor can the fancy charger. I’m probably too old school but that just seems so odd to me.

agreed. wish EV's were more reliable. I've driven an old prius hybrid a bit and not the greatest ride experience but still super reliable! I should note that I drive very little so I 'justify' my carbon footprint that way. for now.

First of all, this is a rare occurrence. My family have two Teslas, a P85D with a little more than 200k miles on it, and with the original battery package, and the other is an S70 that had a similar problem as this gentleman had but at about 87k miles on it, the battery was replaced in 2019, and had no problems since then. I have followed all Tesla's recommendations, and here we are. And those two cars have been the most reliable vehicles we ever had- no maintenance expenses, no brake problems, nothing!!!! The only problems are they are heavy vehicles so they wear tires faster than regular cars. But asides from that, no problems. I think this gentleman got a Lemon Tesla, and that could happen. Maybe he would need to trade-in for another Tesla. That would be my advice. But Any Tesla, even this one, is WAY better than any crappy ICE car, new or old.

So out of 2 cars one needed a replacement battery before100k miles? That doesn't sound so promising, if I buy an ice car and I need a new engine at 80k miles I'm never buying another car from the same brand.

@@Cornelius87 🎯

@@danbert6039 You understand the issue. I worry about my carbon footprint too. My home is setup to waste as little energy as possible. However, because I am always hauling, I have to get as many miles as possible without worrying about time constraints. I would love an EV that could haul as far as my ICE (fillup vs full charge). That’s why I know that if more hybrids stepped up, I would move into the category. When I looked to move over, the 09 Chevy Silverado hybrid only had half the towing capacity of my ICE.

$20,000 savings over gas in 100k miles?? This would equal $.20/mile in fuel savings. Here is a real quick and easy way to figure it (insert local rates for personal situation): ICE - 30 mpg @ $3.00/gal = $0.10/mile fuel cost. EV - 3mi/kWh @ $0.30/kWh = $0.10/mile electric cost.

i highly doubt gas is $3.00 a gallon in California more like $5.50 or $6.00

And I highly doubt he is supercharging at $0.30/kWh - more like $0.60 or $0.70/kWh. Did you miss the part about inserting personal situation? My point was that $20,000 in savings was a nonsensical number@@mteifke

@@danlowe8684 Its actually better savings than I posted. I have a co-worker paying $250 per month in gas, we have the same commute, I pay 0$ per month in electricity to charge my Tesla since I have solar. I'll be saving $30,000 in just 10 years vs my friend who drives a Honda CR-V. If I didn't have solar, I'd probably be paying $30 per month in electricity, which isn't much. The savings are huge.

You math seems to be off. You have to pay off the solar install cost first, then quote savings on the Tesla.