My Thoughts after War Within Mythic+ Testing on Blood DK... 

My real issue from watching the stream and being in some of the keys is the amount of damage the mobs are doing compared to their laughably low health pool

Yeah that was a ton of fun, honestly., despite the difficulty. I got so wrapped up in trying to figure out the dungeons I didn't actually test all the builds I had been playing around in my head with in terms of WW. At the end of the day I kind of look at it like this, it may be super tough and progression may take longer but we will feel an equal amount of accomplishment when we do do it. Normally I would disagree with you about dungeon rotation, as I like the variety it kind of forces on us, and really as someone who has kind of joined m+ in a serious way a few times later in expansions it definitely helps in Blizzard's stated aim of making it more accessible to people doing exactly that. That being said, it will be a huge ask for most of the community to learn those dungeons in a single season so if they intend to continue along this path (and given how some of the other War Within dungeons felt even on normal I think they are) I would definitely not be against reverting to a system of non rotating dungeons or maybe some hybrid of the 2 where it's all 8 dungeons from the current xpac mixed with 4 returning dungeons that rotate each season. I know that owuld funnel a good amount of the population into those 4 which would be seen as easier I just think if Blizzard was going to attempt to return to a less rotating system a hybrid might be a good mid/starter step to that.

My feedback comes from a main tank perspective. Normally, I am around 3,000-3,200 IO before I get bored and move on. I normally play VDH but also played Guardian in S2 and Prot Warrior/DK in S1 Some outliers during my testing: First key was a Grim +8 with Fortified, Attuned, and Sanguine. Sanguine actually felt decent in the dungeon. However, attuned started to become noticeable. This became true in the Mists +8 and Siege +8, full affixes. There are times when you reach full packs with attuned and especially in Mists, there is a new cast in the last section to last boss. This was destroying people. Siege has a lot of problems. Chain hook pulling people into ground effects plus pulling from very long range was complete insanity. I tanked most of my keys on prot warrior and blood DK. Because of the overtuned nature of each dungeon, I felt prot warrior had more defensives to survive some of these packs. In the higher keys, the trash was absolutely smashing other tanks. Not unplayable, but difficult due to scaling. City of Threads also has an Attuned mob that will cast an AoE spell that needs to be hard stopped or it’ll just wipe your group. The War Within dungeons weren’t that big of a deal but I also tanked each dungeon in the rotation close to 40-50 times in preparation for Mythic Plus testing.

Healers do 0 healing and mobs do a billion damage. Tuning is completely out of wack. A stray bolt in a 6 fort/attuned did 3.5m damage out of 4m health pool and that's just one example.

I can just comment from a viewer POV but I have to say the TWW dungeons felt extremely exciting to watch. For example the Hallowfall dungeon looked sooo cool and impressive. Obviously, I understand your thoughts about it being a difficult M+ dungeon but my first impression was "wow this is actually challenging". I am sure tuning will change quite a bit and maybe a few mechanics will be adjusted somehow but overall I was on the edge of my seat watching and guessing what will happen next. Would be nice to know how you and Kop might feel about the dungeons a second or third time around with proper gear and keystone scaling and a little more knowledge about the mechanics. I can‘t wait and am looking forward to your progress, rocking these dungeons in S1!

for a tank having most dmg be in dots/passives must be great no? allows him to focus more on survivability

Do you have any thoughts on monk? Ive been debating swapping from dk to monk since i alternate between dps and tank and the monk rework looks a bit more appealing

I had some wild m0 but i didn't have any recording software, which one do you use?

When I did some M+ testing I thought "Blizz really doesn't want us pulling big packs anymore". There are packs of 3 enemies in some dungeons that just wreck everybody lol

Hey! I played a few keys on beta. I hope to god they get rid of the affixes coming in. The only weeks i dont want to play are sang and bolstering. Im so sad :(😢

Missed opportunity to record this on Moon Guard / Argent Dawn.

will covenant abilities be able to be used in the SL dungeons?

Yeah it’s been rough lol. My tanks feel like absolute paper and my healers aren’t topping players very well. Monk in all roles has felt quite strong so I’ve just been playing that but it’s definitely really really poorly tuned at the moment. Hope they have the time to tune it properly.

I just have one thing to say about this and that's blizzard has to STOP bringing back Cataclysm dungeons or just go back to the old model of all 8 dungeons through 3 seasons and have the 4th season be a bringing back the old dungeons to mythic plus since it seems they want to make season 4 be a fated anyway might as well make it even more unique and not have a requirement of knowing the current expansion dungeons. Considering that the fated season for DF I have noticed people not remembering what happens in the s1 and s2 DF dungeons.

I think the grim baton rework is good. Timed it on a 9 yesterday

Yeah that City of threads dungeons is extremely rough. There is just so much stuff that adds up to a horrible experience tbh. Especially that last part before last boss. Really going to be interested to see how the tuning will work out

Bonestorm definitely works with shattering bone, but it is not working with rune weapon

Will you be doing more M+ testing this weekend?

I agree, Deathbringer is just insanely good looking and nice overall to play.

50% tuning brother it’ll all work out in the end. They’ll still be overturned for the first month or two then they’ll put a patch in and Nerf all the dungeons like they have done the last 20 years you know the routine, sir.

Consumption also gives 2 runes. Compare it to blood tap….

Its not too late to take this down! You know if Blizz see's this, theyre gonna nerf blood boil into the ground

uh oh a UE believer

So, so far ive done about 20 keys on beta.. Highest ive timed is a couple 7s and those were easy as hell Mists, Necrotic wake are both absolute jokes.. does suck they changed the last trash in mists to do some giant aoe pulse now that doesnt let you pull more than 1.. idk what the thought was there. But man these bosses are going to be absolute mid tier pug killers .. people actually have to do things or its a wipe..Stonevault first boss i was in a group of people who have .01 title.. we progged (yes progged) that boss for over an hour on the first day on i think it was a 6... Rest of that instance is great tbh prolly 2nd best of the TWW instances . that first boss is going to murder mid tier pugs. Dawnbreaker as is it is right now, MIGHT be the worst M+ instance theyve ever done its just bad all around nothing good about that place at all.. the flying is bad the instance lay out is bad the no hard direction on where to go is bad.. just bad. I have not Completed city of threads yet b/c group dc bug after killing i think it was first boss or something. Siege of boralus is still as bad as it was in BFA.. some how they made the last boss worse? its slam now hits all or something. So id love to see some changes there.. and idk if its an alliance starting point thing.. but everytime ive done it we're 100% trash before the 3rd boss room.. so unless you skip a ton youre looking at like 125% trash run. Grim batol i actually think is pretty well done and seen other people agree its pretty good now, They removed a lot of trash from its cata counter part.. But like Stonevault.. first boss will be a pug wall.. Rest of the instance is pretty well done imo.. last boss changes are nice and 2nd and 3rd boss are basically the same. Ara-kara is my favorite instance of the new ones.. i think its well put together ..good lay out.. open feeling you can choose where to go.. did it on a 6 i think felt good all around.. but again i could see pugs sucking in there b.c every single boss requires people to move and actually target swap. My overarching view on trash (in all instances) is for some reason blizz thought it would be a good idea go just make a ton of trash in all keys just pulse aoe? idk if thats b/c healers complain about having nothing to heal or what ever but as a dps its highly noticeable. Another big view is the new affixes.. i just didnt notice them? other than thorns b/c well i died to it.. but the other ones i just didnt notice and im not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing .. only times i really noticed was the mana mobs being buffed and trucking the group. Also im fairly certain we are heroic 5 man ish ilvl atm least thats what ive seen a lot of people say. And ya you said you're getting smacked by trash.. DK is the only one currently even living lol ive done some 5's with Brews and bears.. just falling over. But its also hard to tell who's taking their chars to serious.. with crafted embellishments and right talents and stuff or people just going in base gear just trying stuff out.. Sorry for such a long comment but i had a lot of free time looking for new guild so decided to test a bunch of stuff.

So they made healing in TWW like Dragonflight, but worse.

Hopefully they are over tuned, or the gear we get in TWW will be able to compensate for it. I cant imagine they’d want to make M+ so hard that even low keys can’t be pugged. M+ must be one of the reasons people like me stay subbed.

For me personally, especially the old ones ruin it for me. Mists? Never liked the mace, it's just a "have the weakaura or watch someone goof" dungeons and the trash is horrible. Also wondering if you still have Night Fae things in there or if you dont have any extras. Siege? Get me out of there Grim Batol? Nah thanks Wake? Oh boy I can already see groups disbanding because of bad trash pulls. Not looking forward to the new affixes, imo they removed everything okay and added absolute garbage that makes people chase the FotW (flavor of the week). I can see myself not being invited as Unholy DK on Frost weeks and vice versa on shadow week. Sad to see they're butchering (my opinion) the biggest mode in the game, which is even more sad considering how nice hero talents are and how smooth some classes are playing at the moment, even in beta state with low stats.