I think the funniest part about this all is that you can literally still chain with commander but with a 5 second delay at MOST, yall need to stop whining that you can't chain w commander anymore when you literally still can but with a 3-4 second delay to it.
True lol I think that their expectations are high bc some of the last reworks made bad towers more viable I think they just forgot that the "good" reworks were for towers that aren't that good but commander if was a bit too op so they changed it well at least the skins are good
The range is the only problem for with dj is only 18 on max which that is my only problem and maybe make the pace like 1000 or 2000 dollars instead 3000
@@GalactaKnight-rz9uvok lemme tell you this Brainrot update is April fools Below is trying to release weekly updates His main income is from roblox, he has to pay a lot of things in real life Nobody wants? Yeah sure kiddo, the community always hyped for upcoming updates Switch to tdx if you hate Below, no one cares and also ratio
I've already adapted, and despite not liking the nerf of the firerate that much, it was needed, so. Good job dev team, you're trying to fix your game. It's a rework and does nerf it kind of.
The thing is TDS is pretty ez game to win so players just are finding ways to win games the fastest, the commander rework just makes the games slower. So what people think right now is that its gonna pain to grind now. Instead of the accomplishment being the you won a match, the accomplishment in TDS is winning the game fastest for grinding.
I really cannot Express how dumb it is to cry over a commander rework because it hss 5% less firerate buff, literally that is pratically nothing and it only makes a tiny difference when you use the abillity on alot of high dps towers like g mini and accel
The only problem i have with this is that the new ability costs 3 thousand just for something that seems like something out of the military base. I just feel like you dont get that much out for the 3k you spent for it, plus the additional money to max the commander out. I understand it isnt meant to be the strongest but i just personally think it is alittle underwhelming for what you spend for it. The dps on it isnt that bad but its just the fact that one ability can probably take out a slow boss (maybe not even), which does makes some sense as it comes from a support tower but i still think the cost is too much for what you do. Even if it is decreased by 250 cash it would feel more useful. Tdlr for those who dont want to read what i said: i feel like the new ability is alittle weak for what you spend.
Before this update they were gonna make it a lesser fire rate buff and give it some damage, the commander chain has been in the game for a LONG time so I never expected them to get rid of the 100% up time
To be honest I thought they would've just slapped a 1 tower limit on commander and called it a day, but I mean thinking about it now that wouldn't make the most sense, know I just think give the community about 2 more weeks or a month and they would adapt to it. also gives the game a lot more thinking a strategy while making it so that you can still just go with what you want and not forced to follow strats for fallen or something.
for me personally i dont mind the rework, its fine. But why would you not update the plushie skin for the commander?. Its a 40+ euro/dollar skin (they didnt change the cars,they changed nothing)
But its dps is still worse than most other towers and you can just use ranger and accelerator to hit all enemies in existence.. they have a combined 300+ dps
Because commander still buffs the firerate, the other stuff is a bonus? Like, you don't put the ranger down just for that splash damage at Max, and you don't put a commander down for just the apc summon ability at max
I do have to say 1 thing about this but the nerf wasn’t needed tbh and yea I can agree below is a grown man now working on this game to satisfy the community give him a break he could of stopped working on the game completely get what your given. Stop acting like children.
The APC needs a buff tbh ikr ur saying it’s op it’s kinda more like a mid game ability(also said by other ytbers) they should either like buff its dps or hp cuz it’s honestly to low to be worth it
I think the apc is fine its good for catching stragglers, and how the update nerfed commander that's gonna be happening a little more often, so it was necessary to keep certain strats from being ruined
@@redcat79 yeah but a ability that costs 3k to do and behind a 15k upgrade that’s only a mid game ability really needs a buff in its hp or dps like I said but ofc it’s my opinion
It's a good thing I had my expectations low for the Commander rework since it was already a good tower. Some changes that could be made it to reduce the price of the ability from $3,000 to $2,000 since it's not strong late-game. A bit more range at max level would be good. Everything else is fine.
rework because it changed his mechanics like the apc summon ability (rework doesn't necessarily mean making a tower better, just changing its mechanics)
They just announced that its getting a buff and now you can chain again, its cheaper and you can place 1 more (4 tot) so its gonna be good again now also now you can have 12 apcs instead of 9
The problem is not the coa chain the problem of comander was that level two being way too op, the devs should keep the normal coa and not to mention that tower gonna be a hell to use properly for noobs because is abit cheaper so with harder coa chain and dead secons of no coa chain that gonna be the hell to micro if someone try to learn how to use its 100%
Not to mention commander Is not the one unbalancing the game literally TDS sinse the begining was balanced with that until hardcore update because since that the towers get even More dps and still adding game breaking things like the flags meanwhile the gamemodes still the same, literally commander start being a secondary option because the actual TDS Is totally beatable withou the commander literally all the gamemodes are super easy to beat withou him,and even hardcore or any other like badlands started to be winnable withou him at all,so no he Is not the OP thing who all thinks he Is getting broken because he increase the dps of Broken towers that's why he looks like he Is the reason but no the reason Is the unbalance between towers and zombies right now, for example before hardcore commander was balanced and if no one believed it play TDS legacy, i played alot of marches in that game and all are easily beatable withou him because the towers are like the actual ones for being too OP but not in the way of getting big dps they are OP for things like range slowdown or exposive but the difference of old TDS and the actual one Is all the enemies was harder but beatable withou commander that's why commander Is balanced and it's not it's fault the unbalance of TDS it's just the devs heavily buffing the dps of the towers and the gamemodes being the same wich Made the coa Buff make the OP towers alot More op
And i forgot to say the ability Is abit bad Is alot better using these money for anithint else than spawning a tanks who atleast do like 1k per hability for way too expensive price and big cooldown, that hability Is only going to be used if you have all maxed with the tower limit reached just because you Will not have anithing better to use the money
The 5%fire rate decrease wasnt really that bad and the new ability makes up for that only thing they couldve kept was the range but its better then before and you are absolutely correct the tds community thinks that a rework = good but of course half of them thinks that commander has to be a meta tower and be super overpowered.
Like personally I like the update (the only part I hate is the fact that not all the skins got a rework I may understand why not all viechles on the ability got reworked) Like the stats are reasonable, I’ve made a promise to do as much as I can without strats and all I have left to beat is hardcore. I like seeing commander during call of arms him shooting as to do some final support damage to push through the hoard. The costs are (basically) reasonable, and the ability I day maybe the gun vehicles need a small damage and hp buff but that’s my opinion. Overall I enjoy it… THOUGH PLEASE ATLEAST UPDATE THE REST OF THE SKINS-
Bro this actually helps my chaining since it takes me a couple seconds to realize it ran out so the couple seconds is pretty helpful for people like me to chain also the apcs are not mid people are just so used to commander+accel equals win but now its commander+money+accel+little bit of skill equals win and its only a freaking 5% firerate out of the original 55% buff gone and a little range nerf that can easily be fixed by would you believe it DJ and in my opinion commander is better than its old counterpart
I don't mind the nerf for commander because i don't even use it anymore i just use Dj for most Matchs lol Also the max Commander prices and the ability price It should get decreased a bit like 1k or something also the APC is good but military base just better The only thing that i have to complain about this update is *WHY GARGOYLES COMMANDER LOOK LIKE SH*T NOW WHY JUST WHY IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS MADE BY AN 10 YEAR OLD WTF*
the commander being changed was completely fine with me but the range being reduced kinda makes it feel like dj sometimes is going to be needed since 16 range at max dont feel enough everything else is fine :3
I honestly agree with Winterz here, I really do not care about Commander's rework. Yes, his firerate buff is now a little less, but he's still good. Plus, he has FUCKING APCS NOW!!!
Thank you my God someone who stops and thinks. And like if we could chain with is commander it would be way to op because IT HAS ALL DETECTIONS LIKE I don't know why people are so sour about and with the voice
Tds players either want one of these 2 options 1. A very Op buff 2. A very op tower If its a Nerf of a great tower, They start to make me believe they need a psychiatrist IMMEDIATELY.
Ok, here's what i have to say: it feels more like a huge nerf. First, the ability got ruined too far, 40 second cooldown and in early levels it just isn't good, and the fact that you can place only 3 down and it's range got decreased by a lot. Second how are you saying that the ability is broken? 1 tank and all nine of those apc's are gone, and it costs money to get them, so it's only good for mid game due to it being a max lvl thing, and now every strat that does include commander just got basicly deleted, making all those really useful and effective hc strats just go, and they did all of that just for extra dps, who uses support towers for their dps? Third, the chaining that the old had wasn't complete game breaking, you could still lose easily without a good defence, even with a good defence, you could get overwelmed in gamemodes like badlands, polluded and hc. Idk what you mean by commander being "ballanced" now, it was and now it's just terrible.
I totally agree, i love tds but abhor the community for how many pissbabies it has, what do you expect? The rework to give this guy 1000% firerate buff and have him cost nothing? Not only that but theres literally an update that is coming right after this one so why are people acting like this was the most boring and 'worst' update ever? Theres literally more coming. I remember last year people were whining about that lack of updates and now tds is getting updates out almost weekly and people are still whining? You people need to grow up istg.
IMO APCs are trash. Way too expensive since they’re more needed mid game but you can only really afford them late game. Personally I think they need a cost decrease or a buff.
Holy shit these strat lovers are crying over a tower that got changed, and in my opinion its better. APC is hella overpowered if you get 3 and spam them. Especially if you have more people.
What I honestly think about the Commander rework is that it was completely unnecessary, as this tower has been around unchanged for literal years. And I am telling this as a dj church loyalist. Commander might have looked outdated, but it was not as severe. And honestly, the thing I miss now the most is john's old voice lines. I cant, these old muffled phrases were too classic so it is my only complain for now. So you may call me the wimpy kid that Just wants the old Commander back, sure, you can call me one, but again, 1 - I always use dj and 2 - I guess this is even for the better for me, since less people will shout "comm > dj", there were quite a lot of people that couldnt understand why I am using Just the dj
It WAS necessary. While I'm with you on the "dj > comm" I still knew the power of Commander. On most tower defense games anything that can boost a tower's damage is going to be powerful and Commander was 100% in the meta because. It was fairly cheap It had ungodly good buffs And the ability cooldown basically meant NOTHING Those made Commander busted as you could easily get a ton of towers in his range and watch your mini army shred anything Oh and the voiceline thing uhhhhhh they probably would've replaced it anyways since John doesn't do anything for TDS anymore and has called them "Copycats" multiple times
@@Why-Just i didnt say that the dj is better than comm,I thought they are basically the same in terms of viability, I just saw more commader fans bragging about it - 1 and 2 - it has been out for literal years and only now it is considered a problem? As for the voicelines I mean yeah but still the og voicelines were so muffled it was funny, I mean yeah, john is off for a while but really, a lot of time has passed since he left anyway. So it is either the "tower delay sim" shenanigary again or... I honestly dont know what to say if thats not the case
@@hrenusthescared6903 I will admit I was wrong about "dj > Commander" stuff. However the reason why Commander probably got this rework was something I call "The Beebo Situation" (named after the Nerf of Beebo in Tower Heroes) where almost every loadout of a specific type of player (new players, experienced players, expert players, and so on) is either the exact same or very similar, in order to remove this same loadout syndrome you nerf (or in this case rework) one of the main parts of it, in this case the Commander. Also unlike towers like Minigunner, Commander can't have powercreep too put him in check since he's the only "offensive" support tower (merc base is summoner first and support tower 2nd, and DJ is more defensive in my opinion)
@@Why-Just also, yeah, I can see your point that commander must have been a quite disasterous tower to ballance properly so, but really, when you have towers such as paintballer, commando, hunter and other outclassed/purposeless towers I really cant see why they would go with reworking commander in the first place. It is quite illogical, both in terms of general tower ballancing and the income. I honestly think that reworking and reselling commando first would give a much more positive feedback, plus the commader rework came basically out of nowhere while as I know the commando rework was teased at some point during the winter if my memory doesnt trick me
No chaining is pretty sad. I literally can’t beat previous molten pb anymore :/ Edit: his new ability is also pretty trash ngl you get 125 dps that isn't permanent for $3000 so they should probably buff it slightly
the only thing i dont like about commander is his covering range, level 0 commander has like 8 RANGE?? WHAT, HIS RANGE IS SMALLER THAN MY FUTURE DUDE. the rest is fine, i dont mind it.
Nah bro did not spend a minute yapping about how rework dosnt mean buff when they gave Commander another Ability thats not only was unwanted but over powered as well. 💀
I think the reason people hate the update is because of HC. Commander is one of the necessary needed in HC by making it more expensive, less range and delayed Coa well as you know Commander is really dependant on HC even on Earlier lvls and early waves and you can't use consumables on HC (unless)
they mightve nerfed the firerate a little but why is like no one talking about how fucking good the apcs are if spammed. a gunner apc has 50 dps, and the missle apc has burst of 4 in 2 sec. if u use ablitity all at once thats like around 400 dps not including the health of it.
To be honest I don't get why they buffed the damage. It's literally a support tower so why buff the damage if it's not a DPS tower?? Honestly, I think the Commander is a low A-tier. The APCs are kinda decent, but not really that reliable. Also, the fact that you have to rely on a (potentially) random teammate to get the perfect chain is pretty annoying. (R.I.P to the Lucille strategy 😔)
i honestly like it, and support caravans will be more useful as attributes like tank and health regen become more common. also, this is basically the enforcer ability that everybody wanted right??
The Devs have been planning to make a return for old stuff in a form of new ways, this is the example of it and the others being such as jack o bot return and krampus
