My Top 5 Favorite ARPGs 

Some of you may think you love Grim Dawn, but none of you were the guy whose comment got filtered for calling me and my family some horrendous things for not playing it. Posers.

Grim Dawn is a great game in its own right, but, as a Diablo 2 fan, you might also like the Reign of Terror mod. It combines D2 and GD classes in a D2 environment. There's a whole slew of new classes to try, all while playing a faithful re-creation of D2.

TitanQuest is absent and that is one I always enjoyed lots, and one of the very first games I ever played, even if it does feel rather dated by now. Many of its systems and the whole multiclassing deal it allows for are refined and ported over to Grim Dawn as well. It's just an extremely fun way of building characters, mixing two classes that synergize well. Reminds me of the more classing CRPG levelling systems with their own ideas for multiclassing. Wolcen is a sore spot for me. I bought the game when it was in-dev on GOG. And then they took it off that particular market place. I didn't notice because the email disappeared in the usual sales and new arrival messages from GOG, and I also had the pre-release version of the game installed to check in on it every now and then. And when the launch happened I didn't really think too much about lagging behind a couple of versions since most devs update their products way more frequently on Steam. Luckily I was able to get a refund when I actually noticed that I would never be upgraded to the full version. The whole thing soured my outlook on the game though, and I don't think that I will be getting into it.

I once tried to get into PoE but got lost quickly. I look up a beginner guide where they guy spent almost 30 minutes talking about end game stuff before he started talking about beginner stuff. It was mostly end game grinding, currencies, loot and such and then after over half an hour starts talking about how to move your character and the first area. I decided to quite then and there.

Thanks for the Wolcen bit! I've been trying to remember its name for a while.

Path of Exile took 4k hours of my life and I couldn't be happier about it, I agree about the casual play though even after all this time I'm not interested in being the best and feel like I might not be the target audience after all lol. I can recommend Last Epoch though it is in early access, it grabbed me in the same way PoE did years ago, very easy to pick up and learn with tons of different build options, they also do "class fantasy" lot closer to crpgs or Diablo 2 then any of the other ones in the genre.

Really enjoyed this video as I just recently started playing "Titan Quest Anniversary Edition" and although I never played the mother of them all "Diablo" I instantly fell in love with the ARPG genre. I bought "Grim Dawn" and I can't wait until "Lost Ark" comes out. I also wanna try "Warhammer 40.000: Inquisitor - Martyr" and also every other ARPG I can get my hands on. Even installed "Diablo 3" to try for free. So yes, I just now discovered a whole new genre for me I never even know I loved so much. Hope for more content on your channel about ARPG as your videos are really high quality and very informative.

Great list! Only thing missing is Grim Dawn, it's the best arpg imo.

Yeah, you should definitely try Grim Dawn, it was my personal successor to Diablo II instead of Diablo 3 because progression system was more complex and diverse, story was more dark, environment more grim, also more “secret side stuff” as I call it, like cow level in Diablo II, and overall hack’n’slashing is more fun.

Dang. This is my fav channel for long form rpg game reviews. I wish that it did more arpg vids. I’m glad that we at least got this one.

Am currently playing The Ascent, which is great. Have played and enjoyed D2, D3, Grim Dawn, Torchlight 1 and 2, PoE, Hades. 1000s of hours of goodness.

Try Last Epoch. It's amazing and has a robust druid class in particular.

cool list thanks. For me there is still Sacred 1+2 and yes, Grim Dawn and their older title Titan Quest personally never tried Wolcen but maybe will give it a go when it is on sale .

Just a nod to Grim Dawn, made by the people that made Titan Quest, with a similar 'dual class' feature. And just because someone doesn't list a game you like is no reason to be rude, something the anonymity of the internet seems to bring out. Love your content Mortem, and look forward to each new video.

I like watching you because you sound intelligent. Full stop. Your int score sells these videos. Grats on 40k I think youll continue to see growth (especially in the hours viewed per month) because of a rich back catalogue of content for new viewers to splurge on.

I'm glad your channel isn't an ARPG channel but I enjoyed your breakdown. Keep on gaming!

I couldn't agree more on Path of Exile. It is definitely my favorite but I can't play it since I am playing games casually. The first 3 characters I leveled hit a wall really hard after a certain point. They just couldn't survive the onslaught. Which led me to follow builds online, which in turn made the game feel like a chore.

I'm not sure how to ask this, but I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on the end game loop of recent ARPG's. I love ARPG's and I also love RPG's in general, but lately I've been feeling a bit of a disconnect with the way people engage with the ARPG genre. I enjoy playing all ARPG's, playing through the campaign numerous times with varying builds, and for the most part approaching it the same as I would any other RPG, but it seems like for most modern ARPG gamers the campaign is just the tutorial and the "Real" game is grinding for the perfect end game set and min maxing to be the most powerful thing ever. I'm sure you could play Baldur's Gate 3 or other RPG's like that too, but I think most people play those games for the experience, and it just seems weird to me that ARPG's for whatever reason seem to be dominated by a strictly min max style approach to gameplay.

I had a blast with Dungeon Siege 2.

Revisiting this video, the best thing I can say about Wolcen(after buying it on sale) is that the skill customization is an interesting idea. I went with a gunslinger build and the auto-turret and rail gun felt great to use, and even basic attacks could be customized with the upgrade rings(I specced for rebounding shots and high damage at range). Even now though the game and gear systems feel half-baked, and the 'ascended' transformation feels poorly executed.

To me what Diablo 2 still does better than most if not all other ARPGs is the game feel. The sensation of hitting enemies, the sound of items falling on the ground, it's spot on.

Did you try Grim Dawn? Pretty solid game despite been around for a while now.

Surpised as others are that there was no mention of Grim Dawn.

Wolcen is badass. They're working on releasing chapter 4 and end game content

Great list! Rather than add my voice to the chorus of Grim Dawn fans that have expressed themselves below, I will say that Lost Ark really is worth a playthrough or two, if you have the discipline to stay out of the cash shop and not get sucked into the endgame grind. The story is not spectacular but their use of the environment in dungeons, over the top set piece events, mechanics, and boss battles are top notch. It's even fun in the tutorial phase. There's no waiting for the experience to get good.

I actually enjoyed Torchlight and Diablo more than the second games in those series, I liked the second games too but something about the simplicity spoke to me in the originals. I'm playing some Divine Divinity now and am surprised it didn't make this list, is it that you liked these more or do you not consider it an ARPG because of the amount of story or another reason?

Both grim dawn and last epoch are absolutely worth trying it. Grim Dawn is kind of like diablo 2 and wolcen when it comes to end game. It doe have a sort of rifts system like diablo 3, but mainly its just playing the campaign over and over. Last epoch its clunky in gameplay, but ideas wise its awesome all around. End game stuff is a great idea too. If they can just work out the kinks it could easily compete with poe.

Reading all those comments about Grim Dawn made me reinstall the game after 2 years and got me back into it. Thanks Mortum and comment section And even though you don't normally review ARPGs, I would love to see your thoughts on it.

Also have a soft spot for Dungeon Siege 2, one that seems to have flown a bit under the radar.

I do enjoy any ARPG where I can make a passive build utilising turrets. (It's always fun for me to watch as an army of mechanical contraptions do all the work, while I sit back and sip my drink). Grim Dawn with mortars. PoE with ballistae. Torchlight 2 with turrets. ... Might have forgotten a game here, but if you guys know of any others that offer such a playstyle, please, do tell :)

6:55 "Wolcen is a great game to play until you get to the end of it" LMFAO

Hey Mortym question for you: What would be your dream CRPG? What elements would it take from other games to be greater than the sum of it's parts. And lastly is there a studio you would prefer to make this dream game?

A lot of people mentioning Grim Dawn, but despite it’s atmosphere and some big gameplay improvements, I think I spend more time playing Titan Quest, because of the mythological story, settings, and visuals. Another issue with Path of Exile is that, even though you describe it almost as an MMO (I think because of the towns and fantastic party anywhere and instancing system), the mechanics cater far more to single player and the usefulness of multiplayer falls behind more than other ARPGs. I also don’t like how late endgame turns into a game of clear every pack instantly so mob type and stats don’t matter. And all combat becomes the same moment to moment of shred or rip.

Short and to the point. The one thing i was expecting.

You should try Titan Quest if you haven't yet. I started this month and love it. It's similar to Grim Dawn and is essential Diablo set in Greek mythology. The only bad thing is it doesn't appear to be well optimized on PC and I've yet to figure out a solution. I'm sure there's mods I haven't found yet that could fix it.

Have you tried Warhammer 40k Inquisitor Martyr? If you're not into warhammer then its still a fun arpg with a sci-fi setting

What do you think of the MedianXL Mod for Diablo 2? from what I understand, it's a... pretty insane expansion and revamp of the game.

My favorite ARPG is Sacred 2. I am not a huge fan of grinding for levels or gear, so I like S2 for the relatively interesting world and quests. It’s intentionally cheesy and I find it quite funny. Plus the survival mechanic is a good concept, whereby the enemies get stronger the longer you go without dying, but also drop better loot. I also like Grim Dawn, which I think feels much more like Diablo 2 than Diablo 3 does.

What is that bar you have above stamina bar in D2?

So far Grim Dawn and Diablo 3 Switch are my favorite arpgs. Playing these on a controller was a ton of fun although I'm primarily a kb+m player and the added gore/ragdoll effects adds to the power of spells and weapons.

Love all these Grim Dawn comments xD Such a good game

Definitely check out grim dawn brother. I think you can make 45 different class combinations. And the combat looks similar to wolcen.

My favorite ARPG is def Borderlands 3, I have many hours, I have beat it many times, and its just a comfort game. I know its a "Looter Shooter" but Borderlands specifically has always been inspired by Diablo so I consider it an ARPG. Main story is a story for sure, it does do story, but the DLC story is legit really good and also the gameplay is the best in Borderlands series

Yeah, if you want to slightly step back from the complexity and multiplayer aspects of PoE then Grim Dawn is a robust alternative. Customization is no slouch either as you can layer skill trees with constellation bonuses, artifacts, and faction augments. Also, while it admittedly suffers mechanically due to being a predecessor title, Titan Quest has a strong mythic age setting that can be fun to experience as you travel from Greece to Egypt and on toward China.

I think you'd really like the build possibilities of Grim Dawn. Last Epoch is also shaping up to be really good and looks like it'll also have a ton of options for cool and interesting builds

Well, now we've got to get those builds you know from memory for D2, hehe

I was struggling with TL2 recently and I stopped playing fairly quickly. My Warlock (for example) has a couple of possible ranged attacks that both claim to be based on weapon damage (40% of it in both cases). One does a lot more damage/dps than the other early game and I've no idea why. On top of this I fought my way through a few tens of levels armed with wand or staff because it seemed the thing to do and then wondered if a hammer might work ... it added tons more damage to the ranged spells. Maybe my Berserker would be better off duel wielding wands or main hand pet collar and off hand tag!?! Not too many places to go to find info on the guts of the game either unfortunately.

Omg youre such a fan of arpgs and you havnt tried Grimm Dawn? Please try it out. Titan Quest too :)

Been enjoying Inquisitor Martyr quite a bit, people were crying about it at launch but being a newcomer I cant see anything but a decent game

grab grim dawn while its on sale. its feature set and qualities seem to fit very well into the arpg aspects you enjoy.

For me the best ARPG (at least, from those that I played) is Grim Dawn. Pretty great story, really interesting world and lore, cool characters, great gameplay and class system. It's complex, but not to the point of Path of Exile, which has so many different aspects you have to pay attention to when creating a character with a certain build in mind that... well, PoE is great, but I got tired of it pretty fast because of that. Grim Dawn has deph to it's gameplay and a wide variety of classes and builds for each one. Also, I really like it's aesthetics, so dark and... well, grim. It has a good ammount of different enemies and a lot of bosses and mini bosses. When I saw that it wasn't on your list I was gonna comment that I felt a little surprised that Diablo 3 made it and not Grim Dawn. But seeing as you didn't play it (yet) it's understandable.

I am honestly surprised to see Diablo 3 and Wolcen on any top 5 ARPG list.. With games like Titansquest, Grim dawn, Last epoch and even The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing.

good list....top 5 of mine are probably titan quest, grim dawn, dungeon siege 2, torchlight 2 and diablo 3....lots of good ones to choose from and lots i didn't even started yet :)

I'm currently revisiting Titan Quest (maybe even 100% if i wanna no-life a couple months or something) and it's interesting that it shares with diablo 2 the problem of the balancing with sets and "enchanting", diablo 2's keyword system vs titan quest's charms/relics. Sets not being able to combine with these makes in both cases special equipment that's specifically both "enchantable" but rare enough to be powerful the bis for a lot of stuff. Even today with the three new expansions after the revival of titan quest it's still pretty much the same "problem", although sets are still very much powerful enough to get you enjoyably through the game. Just especially not hardcore (there's no actual hardcore setting but achievements for not dying once). One problem I have with either and idk if any arpg properly solved this issue is saving nice sets/uniques for new characters. Managing a plethora of characters that just store your loot in their limited inventory or third party tools are both pretty mediocre options. Titan Quest just always stands out to me as an arpg where you can literally play an active healer, in solo-play.

Good list. Played POE and Diablo 2 and 3 and they're excellent though, tbh, I prefer straight strategy, such as crpg's. Nonetheless, and as usual, good vid

I'd be interested to know what you thought of WH: Chaosbane. I was immediately disappointed because I thought I was getting a "C" cRPG... but once I gave it a chance I was hooked through to a point where I just couldn't kill a demon you have to kill to progress or else I couldn't figure out the way around it. Haven't picked it back up. In retrospect it was a bit samey, even for an aRPG. Spam one good move, mow down a horde of smaller enemies. Spam a different good move, kill a bigger enemy. I'll give it another chance with a different character one day. I mean it was good fun when I was hooked on it.

Surprised to not see grim dawn on the list. :O

i really agree on the issue with poe requiring a certain commitment but i don't understand what you mean by saying its heavily monetized, the only relevant thing you need real money for are stash tabs, and if you blow like 10 bucks on those once that can easily get you through hundreds of hours, all the other purchasable items are purely cosmetic and theres never any agressive pop ups trying to sell you anything

POE is definitely hard to learn, but there are a thousand build guides available here on youtube or other sites, and the way to learn is to see what the guides say. Skim a couple guides, and go on in with your own twist on it. You won't dominate the full endgame with your janky homebrew stuff, but the game has so damn much content you won't even sniff the endgame until you're somewhat experienced anyway, so being on a lower powered build isn't so bad as a beginner.

You should definitely try Grim Dawn. I personally think it's better than Path of Exile.

Heard Lost Epoch seems good too.

Honest question: do you ever, and I do mean ever, feel burnt out on gaming?

first time i actually 100% agree with someone's opinions entierly on vids covering ARPG's i am a heavily POE player since almost the start, but i also love d2/d2r and d3 and enjoyed Wolcen a lot to . i did not try Grim Dawn or Last Epoch but they are obiously good games as well .

Diablo 2: I loved Paladin and Amazon and Necromancer. Paladin using Fanaticism and Zeal and shield bash was great for killing groups of mobs fast. Amazon with a bow using a rune word giving fanaticism in bow and multiple shot was great for clearing whole screens of enemies. Necromancer was great with his magic damage from bone spells. I think that Barbarian had to focus on one type of weapon and certain skills from beginning so you had to have build and items for each levels ready from the start. Frenzy means one set of items while WW some other set etc. The Sorceress problem for me was the immune enemies and that you had to focus on one element pretty much. These classes were strong just not versatile enough for me. Druid and Assassin were just not my style and not for me. Diablo 3: Yeah that damage is nonsense. It looks stupid for me. I tried Diablo 3 at friends house and I liked the Demon Hunter and Monk but monk using weapons was a pure nonsense for me and just immersion breaking. Torchlight 1: Destroyer for that sweet sweet warrior feeling Torchlight 2: Berserker and Engineer for that sweet two weapons berserking shred everything fun or for that tank nothing can kill me and I have a hammer and enemies are nails fun. Edit: You should try Titan Quest and Grim Dawn - both are great with nice possible builds but not as complicated tree as Path of Exile. The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing is also a good game.

Not entirely sure why, but my favorite ARPG I've tried is still just Diablo 1, at least with the Beelzebub mod. My best guess is it has to do with simplicity and strength of theming. Other ARPGs can stray from town to town, sometimes including settings I don't particularly care for, such as deserts. Also, most ARPGs are much more graphically advanced, in a way that I'm not super compatible with. I'm pretty susceptible when it comes to games in this perspective where things are more zoomed out to find myself getting lost in all the visual noise and similar colors and particle effects and floating numbers. If I can't even tell where my character is on the screen during a fight, or what's even going on, I'm probably gonna tune out real quick from being overwhelmed. Not Diablo 1 though. Simple, dark catacombs with my bright red wizard clear as day in big chunky pixels. A laser precision theme, where all it is is you, a spooky gothic town, a big old catacomb that eventually culminates in hell, flawless voice acting in that glorious overacted 90s fantasy way, all while listening to some of the best town music and ambience in any game period. And casting lightning in demon's faces. You just can't beat that. Haven't played Diablo 2 yet since I was waiting for the remake, only for Activision-Blizzard to become...somewhat morally questionable to purchase from, and I'm still debating whether Microsoft owning them now and making changes (hopefully) means I can buy it and sleep at night somewhat reasonably yet.

Vikings: Wolves of Midgard is a pretty good ARPG nothing ground breaking but viking themed D2 knockoff can be a good change of pace.

I don't play ARPGs, but I heard good things of Grim Dawn. I even considered to buy it, but I already have to many games to play in my backlog.

Been playing Last Epoch, has potential though not a fan of the limited amount of skills you can select at one time, though they say it is a design choice and likely will not change it....still not my thing even one or two skills extra would make a world of difference for me (you can select one extra skill but at the expense of a base attack but again wish would just have the extra skill slot )

Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 was and still is my favorite aRPG's. While I've completed Diablo 3 in 2 days on lunch, and then played it on PS4 with my two best buddies (it was a blast to hang out and play sitting next to each other, good times, good times). I've never had this urge and desire to comeback and made another run. Something was off for me. Franky the same I could tell about PoE, Wolcen and most of the modern aRPG. For some reason starting from Mid-Game it's too overwhelming for my eyes and brain - layers upon layers of VFX, blasts, particles, numbers, splashes and etc. Total mess). Has nothing against games - they are great. I wish I could enjoy 'em but I can't handle this. Frankly, at the same time I'm totally fine with more action oriented games like Curse Of The Dead Gods, Darksiders Genesis and Hades.

Played poe for 8 years.I have a char that has 437 days if I hit the "/played" command.What did I get for this commitment?All my exalted orbs devalued to nothing , all 8 years of amasing them.

So ive been playing games all my life, and at 31 years old im slowly getting into arpgs any good starter suggestions?

Played alot of Arpgs.Tons of Hours also in D3 even if it wasnt that good.Somehow it was Fun like you said.It even was fun as it was released if you looked over the Obvious. Poe,Grim Dawn,Sacred.They all were nice in some way. But i always thought they miss something or in Poe's Case are way too much. To me it was the Look and Feeling of the World,also im a huge Fan of Barbarians.D2 nailed it,and since Resurrected is out i dont need any other Arpg again. I dont need Endless Endgame in these Games,just Gameplay that is Fun and an Athmospheric Setting,also maybe a Hardcore Mode. Also coming Back to D1 from Time to Time because of its Athmosphere.

Interesting. My top ARPG is quite different, but to each their own. I played a bit PoE and Wolcen and enjoyed them, but they felt dry to me after a while. I didn't play them as of lately (for Wolcen i had a recurring crash at the start, disabling me to play any blood trail content after i downloaded it again). I got Torchlight 2 for free on epic, and it was fun to play through it once, but i probably won't go back to it. My top 3 are definitely Grim Dawn, Titan quest (both by the same developers with double mastery system) and Diablo 2 (particularly MedianXL mod, i played a lot of this one, it added so much more to the original game, albeit transforming a lot - like classes)

I played Darkstone for the PS1 as my first sorta ARPG game and I like it more than Diablo 2, I think only because I played it first and it's not the greatest but i just love it so much.

Path of Exile can be played casually. You just have to play... one character per league, no switch. Or strip everything on that character and play a new one while keeping only necessity items like currency (sellable ones), which means you have to know what you want and need in the first place, so... like one of those veteran players who suddenly wanted a fresh, no payment start.

Before you read about how great Grim Dawn is for 20 more times, know that all those people missed one important thing: It's also has the most palpable atmosphere of all the ARPGs currently.

Kinda suprised you haven't tried Grim Dawn yet, if you got the time, its pretty good, and my personal favorite ARPG.

i had alot of fun with path of exile and diablo 3 but my favourite action rpgs are third person witcher 3, whole fromsoft soulsborne roster, mass effect series, dragon age inquisition, monster hunter world and dragons dogma :)

i'm afraid to also mention Grim Dawn, but it's such a surprise. Last Epoch feels like a generic side project outside of some cool graphics on powers, I just can't justify booting it up rather than D3. So that's apparently contrarian. I want to try PoE, but I need a better understanding of just how it's monetization works... even if you can afford a game, some of those are too repulsive to support.

Since the most familiar ones, missing on the list, have already brought up in the comments: - If you want to go old school, the first Diablo is still checking out at least once, its mechanics are now from the Stone Age, but the ambiance it's got, is still amazing (Tristram theme is also the best). - Another old-timer is the Divine Divinity series (H&S precursors of DOS), got some issues running it on modern tech, but it's good fun, if a little different. - Chronicon is an indie pixel graphics little gem, it still got quite some depth behind it, and it's quite charming.

That is a pretty similar list to me except I did not play Path of Exile for long, I forget why. I try PoE 2 if the word is good. I've put in a fair amount of time on every Diablo but they are not my favourites. I really Wolcen and I've just started a new character to check out the chapter 4 upgrade. I loved both Torchlight 1 & 2. Grim Dawn is a great game as far as playability but I cannot get by the graphics. I don't why Grim Dawn doesn't update its graphics because it has quite a following despite shite graphics.

good list , mine would be , Grim Dawn , Last Epoch , POE, Torchlight 2 , Wolcen

For me it's : 1. Last Epoch 2. Grim Dawn 3. Diablo 3 4. Path of Exile 5. D2R 6. Warhammer 40k Inquisition 7. Wolcen

Cannot stress Grim Dawn hard enough... as others did before me. That one should be on the video. And in a high place, too.

Actually gonna start playing Wolcen tonight on Xbox 🙅 I think it will be a good time 😁

I'd never played a ARPG till covid with Diablo 3. Now I'm running grimdawn on PC, Diablo2 and Torchlight 2 on switch, Titanquest and Undecember on phone. I need help.

I haven’t played D3 since season 2. I don’t even know what season they are on now

no titan quest or dark souls game ?

I got to the endgame of Wolcen, and it was a good time, but something made me stop, and I can't remember what it was now. Maybe it was just what you said, the endgame content isn't that exciting. Kinda wanna go back and play some more. I've never gotten into PoE because it seems like you need to do homework to get really into it. Like, I was looking up builds and just getting overwhelmed.

IMO, Grim Dawn is the true D3. You should definitely try it.

I really liked Grim Dawn, it is a fun game.

Okay, I was going to 'text-yell' for not mentioning Grim Dawn... but then I saw your post about not playing it 'yet'. Ok, can't get mad for someone for hasn't experience Grim Dawn.

Loved my bone spirit necro. Though my bear druid was a close second :)

I like Warhammer 40.000: Inquisitor Martyr. It's not the best looking game by any means, and it can be a bit clunky sometimes, but it's really fun and cool to play in between other games, just to chill.

First of all congrats on the 40k, and may you double it in the coming year. ppl like to listen to you cause you are not trying to BS anyone and are honest about what you say. No clickbaits either. All the good stuff. Grim dawn is the only one of the ARPGs I have spent more than 80H on. Played Diablo 1 and 2, liked am but ARPGs are just not my thing. i wanna take things slowly and methodically. That said Grim Dawn is a very good game. However I do not like it enough to attack ppl online for not liking it as much as I do. Guess my opinion is null and void ....

Came here to add to the "Grim Dawn" pile-on! Also: I am glad I did, because I've now discovered "Last Epoch" - thank you, fellow commenters!

My list is path of exile, grimdawn, last epoch, Diablo 2. Wolcen was interesting didn't get into it. A recommendation is to for some ARPG content would be build videos but in a more casual way not something for hard core more just fun.

Grim Dawn is now on sale on Steam - only a hint ;)

Tell me you haven't played Grim Dawn without telling me you haven't played Grim Dawn

Sorry about your bad comment. I hope it won't detract you from Grim Dawn. It's really worth checking. I usually say it's the best current ARPG because of it's slower pace. To draw a parallel with D2, I accuse most modern ARPG of trying to make everyone a javazone: run fast, kill fast, nothing matters. I like GD (and even Titan Quest) because they play more like an elemental Bowazone: sometimes you are strong, sometimes you are clunky, but you always have options. Not going to lie, javazones are fun and flashy. I understand why plenty love them. But I like a little more spice in my gameplay.