That's a u-2 power unit engine you can tell by the dip stick, provisions for a mechanical fuel pump and cut out for forward mounted starter. I have a U-2 I can take pictures for reference if you'd like. Water pump can be added to any c-113.
I believe the C-113 can have a water pump depending on the application. That's a power unit engine given the cut out for the starter. The 64 combines often use the C-113. I'll have to double check but I'm pretty sure the later C-113 powered Super A tractors have a pressure cap on their radiator and a water pump.
@@FarmallFanatic The C-113s in the 64 combines use dipsticks, and same with the U2 power unit. The dipstick may have an engine running and engine stopped side.
The factory IH FireCrater and M&W Turbo Domes available back in the day were said to increase the engine by 10 horsepower. More than likely you do have a combine engine that someone repowered the tractor with after the first engine had failed. My super M has a set of M&W pistons in it, and you can tell it has more power than the super M normally has.
I always think it’s really neat what people did to get the unit back up and going. I’m going to try and research but I’m wondering if it’s a stationary power unit that got reworked. Still a sweetheart of a tractor!
I’m betting it’s a swather motor , we have. A guy here that has one , apparently the notch in the bell housing is the give away , depending on stroke that will really change the CI
@@FarmallFanatic I’m not sure on his HP numbers , I believe around 30-40 even stuffed a super H carb on, it pulls pretty stout 3500-4500lbs sounds really healthy
I sold our IH McCormick Model 91 combine to a fella a few years back and he bought it for the engine. Was going to put it into his Super C pulling tractor
Sir, you have a good thing going on. I gotta tell you, I kinda miss your old opening with the missle attack on the green iron. Thanks for taking the time to create great content. Happy Independence Day
A bunch of people complained one guy, even said that the missile scares his dog... because it's so loud.. I doubt hes even subscribed to my channel at this point in time.
I may be wrong, but we had a square bailer with an engine very similar to that as its power plant instead of a PTO. It has been a long time, but that may be worth investigating.
The baler was it a T 45 with a small hand crank on the side and dip stick the front baler hitch had a single tire on front as well My dad said same engine as cub or A unsure that was mid 1960 to 70 when used great machine
Old Farmall mechanic down here in Butler county that has forgotten more than both of us know about a Farmall , told me one time 100 pumps in each axle seal on the rear
Super C looks and sounds good! Still working on my SA restoration. Rebuilt the entire touch control unit and it works flawlessly. Interesting that you mentioned the touch control temperature gauge. Ive installed a new one from Steiner. A little bummed out though. the strainer had a workmanship flaw in the form of two little pinholes where the adapter for the temp sensor was soldered in. Leaked immediately. At first I thought it was the little nontypical square cut o ring it came with. So I installed a nice industrial type o ring. Then I got out the magnifying glasses and discovered the pin holes leaking. I hope to get a replacement from Steiner. Thanks for the videos. ill be watching. Oh and I hope your front crank seal turned out well. Mine leaked. And I was meticulous when I installed. not sure what went wrong. Maybe a little too much wear on the pulley seal shoulder. Im not gonna sweat it since I've seen almost every similar restored tractors at the shows with drip mats underneath them.
Ironically my Farmall A had a very similar engine. I believe it's a transplant of some kind. I definitely know my A's was a transplant. The tractor was a 45 but the engine was a 54. If you look by the dipstick, where the block bolts to the bell housing. There's a notch carved out in the casting in the (shape of a C) where the starter would mount when it was on its previous implement or wherever it came from. Also, below the distributor you can see a block-off plate covering where a fuel pump could be added. My A didn't have a water pump but I believe you could just add one to any c-113 but don't quote me on that. If you want to get an idea of where the engine came from you can look at the engine's serial number prefix. The serial number prefix on my tractor's engine was "IMAM" meaning it came from a No. 55 baler. The engine serial number should be above the distributor on the top right corner of the block. Find the prefix and you might find out what implement it came from. Hope this help and good luck with the tractor, sounds like a sewing machine 😁👍
My dad used to have Farmalls when I was a kids growing, I remember seeing a Super H, Super M, and a M. Good tractors then we had a 1365 Fiat Oliver and a 1655 with the loader
the c113 engine was built in 4 piston configurations from the factory a low compression piston set for distillate or K1 , standard piston set 6:1 compression a 5000ft higher compression piston set and a 8000ft high altitude piston set. there were 2 different governors the original RPM setup and the faster RPM set up. . this engine was also used on carnival rides with the AC B and C engines which were equally as popular all of them i have seen ran magnetos
I am pretty sure the starter on the combine and baler engines came from the front under the oil filter. The A and C engines the starter comes from the rear of the fly wheel housing. My guess is someone got a cheap sleeve kit for a 113 and was told it was just as good as a normal 123. We put a 123 baler engine on our A. Had to leave a bolt out sine block had a notch in it.
Farmall C113 engines could have a water pump added. Even if not originally fitted with one. So the presence of a water pump doesn't mean anything. IH offered a conversion kit to add a water pump to a 113. The 123 came with a water pump from the factory.
I have the same thing with my super c. The dipstick has an engine stopped and an engine running side. I was told by my local farmall guru that it is a power unit engine. I'm not sure on my engine bore but I do have a water pump.
Engines in older tractors may have been changed for a variety of reasons. If they've been reworked and putting out the rated power (or more) who's to complain. We had a 450 with a 264 block (likely out of a Super M). I'm inclined to believe it was a gas-start diesel that failed and someone converted it to gas. That old beast earned its keep until we traded it for a 656 utility with a loader.
It could be. I've seen tractors that were diesel converted to gas. The hoods are different. On the 400 and 450 gas, there are 3 holes for the exhaust, air cleaner, and fuel tank on the left hood and no holes on the right hood. On the diesel, there are 2 holes on each hood. The exhaust and starting tank are on the right on a diesel. Also, the serial tag should be marked with D on a diesel. Even though it's a 264 block, it may be a 281 internally. The C-264 and 281 use the same block.
There was one for sale near me, but it was a straight C with a fast hitch added. That 130 I had was a mongrel 130/100/superA and I had a super c with 230 tin and fast hitch on it
Ok, I’ve been watching your videos and many others with the Farmall brand. Here’s the question. What’s the difference between the “C” and the “Super C “?
@@donvoll2580It is a Super. Just had an engine swap. Regular Cs had band brakes, straight pedals, and no gap between the gas tank and hydraulic block. Super Cs have disc brakes, the pedals are angled back towards the platform more, and there’s a gap between the tank and hydraulics, due to the sheet metal sitting higher to clear a larger radiator.
I took a IH 55 baler motor that had been rebuilt and put it in a B that I had bought with cracked block probably 35 years ago. I know for one thing I had to grind out part of the front housing where the steering shaft went other than that was bolt in and drive I think it had a dip stick as well as the level plugs in pan but thinking now maybe I had to change oil pans as well would account for that can't remember to much water down the river all I know always wished I never sold it but I now have 2 B's so I'm ok.😉
@@FarmallFanatic At the time I thought it did but didn't have anything to compare it to. Just know was a good deal bought the baler with a new battery and rebuilt motor for 75.00 took the motor off and new battery at auction site and sold the rest of the baler to the scrap man for you guessed $75.00 and smiled all the way home 😁
Excellent video Gino :) also think Super C another give away is the on 202 Cubic Inches 4 cylinders gas motor in 1964 to 1968 in McCormick International 105 C combine has Hydraulic pump run off crank too if want know that !
I would assume that that engine probably came off of a power unit. I know that I H made a ton of power units at that time frame and they were popular to swap into tractors.
That is a curiousity. I'm not a motor head so I really have no clue. I do know guys switch out engines. Sometimes they don't get them matched up to the rest of the tractor. I had an Ford ltd once that somebody switched out the engine on and it would twist off the spline shaft. They went from a Cleveland to a Windsor 351. Different shafts.
@@FarmallFanatic it was an experimental thing IH was working on in the early 50s my bosses dad worked for IH and he was on the design team for the 06 and 56 series and also worked on the super series tractors as a advisor and they tried to use a smaller engine with higher horsepower to conserve fuel consumption they only did it with the super C and they used the 113 engine and put the better pistons in it as to give better hp and performance the dip stick was part of a new idea to add dipsticks to the super series in late 54 most likely your tractor is a hand built tractor with hand fitted parts and accessories the water pump was another thing IH was experimenting with and trying to perfect they made 7 tractors and sold them Down south 4 were sent back to be refitted with new engines and 1 was scrapped so as far as I know my boss and you have the last two left in existence he has one set up just like yours as his dad bought the tractors from IH to work on his own farm like he has a smta with fast hitch and a factory IH tac and dash it was the only one built he also has the first 806 diesel ever made FYI he also worked at the local IH dealer as a sales manager
@@FarmallFanatic thank god for his work logs he was one of the lead designers of the 06 series and my boss gave me his dads book of designs drawings and notes for my 15th birthday in march he also has the first ever printed copy of the Farmall 806 owners manual
A lot of the time of it has no markings on the block it's a replacement block. I've seen a few like that. No serial number just the firing order. C-135
Nice video. This question is unrelated to the video but I though you'd know more about it than Google. How many bottoms do you think a stock M with loaded tires and wheels weights pull in less than ideal soil. My grandpa says his stock MD pulled a 4 bottom pull type with ease. I was wondering if my M would pull 4
Hello Farmall Fanatic. I have a 53 super a. It's still 6v. I can't get spark at the points. The positive side of the coil is attached to the side of the distributor. I have the negative battery terminal to right now but i'm thinking its should be positive battery terminal to ground now. Could that be why theres no spark at the points? I tried a 12v coil that cross referenced to my 6v coil from Napa. your thots? Thank you
Power unit engine block. C-113 engines can have a water pump added to them. Same as a C-123. Most all C-123’s came with a water pump from factory. C-113’s were thermosiphon. Have larger coolant passages in the block and head than C-123’s by what I’ve always understood.
Power units had dipsticks by what I understand. Couldn’t use petcocks. The starters were mounted with the ends of them facing the front of the engine hence the cut out spot that don’t quite bolt up right under the dipstick. Farmall 51 has a C with the same kind of engine on his channel. C-153 I’m thinking it was. Somebody could put sleeves and pistons in it I guess to make a 113.
At 1:17 sir,, You nearly had your finger right on it, there is numbers stamped on a flat just under the number one spark plug recess, behind the coil That is supposed to match the number on your identification tag serial number, I'm trying to remember what power units begin with, UA1 perhaps or UAA? On my 1945 "A" the number stamped there begins, "FAA"
First thought I had too. The engine s/n should give you info. It's coded in the prefix. The engine and chassis s/n likely don't match in this case. The engine and chassis s/n on the early production tractors would match, but in later years the numbers "drifted" apart.
That's definitely an odd one, my 49' C has that same style of dipstick and the block is notched next to it like yours but it doesn't have a water pump.
I do not know the horse power, I have one in a farmall A came out of the oilfield here in IL. 113 cubic inch also has the water pump, mine has flat top pistons.
@@FarmallFanatic not sure on that but did a early C have a dipstick. Also your A Farmall has a later engine in it because it has the plate for a hydraulic pump which Farmall A didn't have.
@@FarmallFanatic I am guessing since power units are usually higher with it being a 113 you are still probably close to stock up of a 123 around 25 hp.
Ill send you an email. I don't think I can send pictures on the comments here but I want to see what the water pump looks like, upper radiator neck and a better picture of the bore of the pistons.... Im sure its a power unit engine from something like a swather or combine. Looks like 3 1/4" when I stop at the block measuring with the tape measure but hard to see it on my phone......
@@FarmallFanatic I left you a comment on a previous video about an original 1954 Farmall right side battery box to replace the one you don't like with the weird cutouts for the battery cables. Ya asked where in Ohio I lived, and I never heard back from ya. Still willing to ship it to ya just need to know where to send it.
You were talking about cultivating if you have ever used a C to cultivate you'll be spoiled there's no better cultivating tractor the A an cub are good but a C,s great get some cultivators for it
@@FarmallFanatic would be cool to find the history behind it. Could have been a power unit from a baler or pull type forage harvester. I'm happy you're not upset about it. You hear or transplants from combines to the bigger 56-86 series but not the smaller and vintage models. Very unique
@@FarmallFanatic It's been many years, but I think there is a prefix # on there that would tell you the model. It;s right behind the rod on the right side of the block towards the front where the block meets the head
