N.T. Wright is Badly Incorrect

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We looked at NT Wright’s sad article in Time website: archive.li/wip/LC6PH
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@bobbyvalentine9108 2 года назад

This almost borders on a caricature of N. T. Wright. Time was a popular magazine and Wright was certainly not offering a complete theology but a hopeful and pastoral word. I have read most of Wright's academic work and a good bit of his more popular level stuff. To characterize anything he writes as "depressing" is interesting in the extreme. A good bit of his writing is directed at the "problem of evil." Long before the pandemic he wrote "Evil and the Justice of God." In the pandemic he gave us "God and the Pandemic: A Christian Reflection on the Coronavirus and its Aftermath." Further, to claim that Wright does not believe in the "wrath of God" is simply absurd. But what brought on Covid IS A MYSTERY. This video is disappointing frankly.

@kkwok9 Месяц назад

N T Wright forgets that God is not progressing over time. N T Wrong is ...

@StephenBeatty-bz6sn Месяц назад

My struggle with Tom Wright is that I feel like I can never find anything concrete in what he says. At some point there have to be hard truths. Maybe if he would say "This is what I believe and here's why" it might be easier. I listened to him from Dallas to Louisville on a flight and I really have no idea what he believes.

@captainsjournal 3 года назад

Nothing about Wright's position on anything is surprising or disappointing when considering the context. Wright's theology is warmed over Wesleyanism (or if you will, before the split, Wesleyan Methodist). Virtually everything he believes can be aligned point by point with John Wesley. He feigns reformation theology in his conversations and presentations, but he's not.

@Daewonnni Год назад

When James talks about NT Wright lacking a “higher view”, or striking a “proper balance”, he means his own view. A bit of a misrepresentation of Wright here from James. If you want to hear Wright explaining his views go to this talk; ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Zp8rMsOCsvY.html

@oscarbowman3718 2 года назад

Yes but you are missing the point of Christ’s victory on the cross and also the fact that God is very specific in his judgments and he is clear with his judgements. God’s wrath is revealed by people dying because of their sins and people having shitty lives because of their sins. He has given them over to their sins.

@fndrr42 4 года назад

He’s got some interviews clearing this up. He’s talking about where we are right now in the Coronavirus pandemic with no seeming end in sight. He clarified it well on Justin Brierly’s podcast.

@isaacleillhikar4566 3 года назад

Oouwwuufff Psalm 137. Speacking of which. Tom gave a position to mt father at a church abroad redulting in me being deported to exhile for four years and I came back to my country and became Homeless for two years.

@afinotanmisan3474 3 года назад

If the pandemic is a result of God's judgment, then was there any way it could have been prevented? How come it's coming upon both believers, and non-believers alike?

@prestongilchrist7476 3 года назад

for the same reason plagues killed jews and christians in the past, even in the bible

@StrongBodyandMind33 2 года назад

Because the pre trib rapture doctrine is heretical

@user-fc2zb9po8t 2 месяца назад

@@prestongilchrist7476Ok….why?

@ziontheelder1697 2 года назад

The scholarship of Wright and his ability to explain it is vastly superior to that of JW. Not even close.

@mariosangermano5709 2 года назад

LOL Wright obfuscates the truth. You're unfortunately captivated by his lofty British accent that makes his academic ramblings sound intelligent until you actually listen to what he is actually saying. And what he's actually saying is blah blah blah confusing the gospel.

@alexjoneschannel 2 года назад

@@mariosangermano5709 but of course the Bible teaches unilateral determinism and God moves the will of people to commit evil for his mysterious purpose... Right? Yeah of course anyone who reads the Bible obviously understands this.

@MagnificentFiend 2 года назад

Details?

@douglasmcnay644 Год назад

@@alexjoneschannel God doesn't have to force ANYONE to sin. We LOVE the darkness and hate the light (and Him) naturally.

@alexjoneschannel Год назад

@@douglasmcnay644 White's position is that God knowing, willfully, and specifically decrees every evil act of man to take place, that God is sovereign over man's acts and determines from before time what everyone will do. That's what Calvinism teaches, if you're into the world salad teaches, I'm sure you'll think things like God doesn't determine our evil and we choose it ourselves. We would only choose it ourself, because God moves our will (using will as desires) so we will choose what he wants based off the antecedent of our will, which has been effectually set by God. Calvinism only results in determinism, so if you actually believed reformed teaching you believe God specifically decrees for evil to happen

@afinotanmisan3474 3 года назад

Is God's wrath being revealed from heaven in ways that we cannot understand? Confusing us, such that we are only left to speculate as to whether God is angry with us, even as believers, or exacting his vengeance for something we may not be aware of. We all agree that all evil is a result of the sinfulness of this world, But, like you rightly said, unless there is a Prophet from God, we cannot definitively say, or infer that it is God's judgment for some specific sins.... Come to think of it, if another pandemic comes up next year, what sins do we suggest God is punishing? God is still holding the door out for people to repent and be saved.... At least till the appointed time.. That should be our emphasis, sharing the gospel, not a pandemic... There's a lot of things we haven't figured out yet, we can't just presume, or we'll constantly live under fear of condemnation... These things are all going to last and occur until the time God has set for judgment....

@daniellimo4087 3 года назад

The spanish flu in 1918 killed more people than the war itself. Some odiot said it was Gods punishment and organised a repentace crusade. That is how it was spread across the world

@fernandopaulus9088 3 года назад

James White has a PHD in misinterpreting N.T Wright

@GTMGunTotinMinnesotan 2 года назад

Haha yes. Well said.

@gustavorvalderrama625 3 года назад

New humanity, God is making a new humanity. In Ephesians, Paul talks about one of the many purposes of the cross: to destroy the barriers that stood against us and divides us because of our sin, so that in Christ blood we are made a new creation, a new humanity. When I see this type of judgment pass from one christian to another it grieves my heart because we DO NOT understand the Kingdom of God. We reduce the message of the cross in terms of wrath and judgement but it is more than that, it is the victory of King Jesus in our place over sin, death and all kind of darkness. The victory of the crucified King and His resurrection. New creation people, NEW CREATION!

@daniellimo4087 3 года назад

I am glad that there are many who are now questioning these evangelicals. I think many are simply feeding their egos. That somehow God is punishing the world for not listening to them

@geraldhancock6208 6 месяцев назад

@James White. In this video on NT Wright's article, your emphasis on the need for an Old Testament-style prophet for attributions was not just thought-provoking; it was downright appalling when I first heard it. There was no need to ponder-it was an immediate red flag. Regarding your stance on attributing the pandemic solely to God's judgment, let's talk about the elephant in the room. While it's a theological discussion for you, it's crucial to recognize the complexity of the pandemic's origins. There's a significant likelihood that the virus was developed in a Chinese lab-an act of war against America. Sure, suspicions existed three years ago, but evidence was lacking for retaliation. How, then, can you distinguish a deliberate act of harm, whether through a virus or a giant bomb dropped on a city, from an "act of God"? War, whether through bombs or bioterrorism, knows no discrimination. But you have lumped God-fearing and righteous Christians in with the evil doers of this world who died together as a result of God's wrath. God, as demonstrated in the dialogue between Abraham and Him regarding Sodom and Gomorrah, exercises discretion. Your portrayal of God as a deity without discretion, punishing both the righteous and unrighteous alike, is nothing short of slander against God the Father. Your version of Christianity, even with your impressive credentials, isn't above reproach. It's crucial to tread carefully when presenting theological views, especially those that risk portraying God as a capricious monster.

@dynamicloveministries334 2 года назад

This man is jealous of Tom Wright.

@aq6927 2 года назад

Reformed club gets really upset someone claims God’s vocation for his royal priesthood doesn’t involve rejoicing evil in the world. If Wright made an article saying let us rejoice the evil in the world, and as God doesn’t desire redemption of creation in our present state James White would have not posted a critique lol

@aq6927 2 года назад

Wright believes in God bringing Justice to the earth, he is largely addressing our vocation as Christians in the present, hold onto knowing God desires redemption for all of creation. And as members of God’s royal priesthood, is our VOCATION to lament, and mourn with those who are mourning- rather than go to social media (like many) post about how God’s wrath is on display as people actively die do to COVID-19. There is mystery in the present state, let’s not speak on God’s behalf but instead pursue him in meekness, while loving our neighbors

@andrewscotteames4718 28 дней назад

Ok, two intelligent, diligent, and sincere christian scholars read the Bible and come to fundamentally contradictory conclusions. Who do I listen to? What chance do I have of getting it correct?

@romeyburgin7221 8 дней назад

Read and study it for yourself. Don't only study it but ponder on it, asking God to give you the wisdom and knowledge and understanding.

@Speakinthatruthable 2 года назад

I have to read a book by NT Wright for my apologetics class for college…I’m starting to wonder about the discernment of my professor

@matthewturner4719 Год назад

Wright is a theological giant. Besides, if your professor has you read only literature that you agree with, then he’s not doing his job and should be dismissed if your college wants to retain credibility.

@katiecugini979 4 месяца назад

@@matthewturner4719Amen!

@markdaniels1730 4 года назад

The article was not depressing at all. It was very realistic, but ended with a hopeful consideration. Nothing wrong with what N.T. Wright wrote. As usual, he writes what is right.

@albertplaysguitar 4 года назад

I read the article before seeing James White's video so I could formulate my own opinion. I think Wright is taking a particular point of view meant to connect with an unbelieving people. Sort of a generic, "I'm not here to be an answer man, but I am here to feel the pain with you." So, not particularly theological, but I guess Time.com isn't the place for it either.

@daniellimo4087 3 года назад

God no longer pours his wrath to men. Consider what was done to the early church. Paul himself stood and kept watch as Stephen was murdered. What happened to paul? He got the privillage of seeing Jesus. Wright's teaching simply does not match American evangelical doctrine. That is uncomfortable but it does not make him wrong

@bobj.7782 4 года назад

Is abortion the only sin? Why would someone think he/she’s perfect just because of pro-life? How about other sins mentioned in Bible? Read Luke13:1-5 if you think you are better than anybody else :)

@prestongilchrist7476 3 года назад

what

@StrongBodyandMind33 2 года назад

Yessir! And what follows after? The true calling that many do not want to heed: Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luk 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. 1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Mat 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

@bmstellar 4 года назад

I appreciate James but this is not a charitable interpretation at all of Wright. He is all over the place and never really makes a solid argument. Basically because of abortion and God’a wrath we have covid 19. Not helpful and no argument given to substantiate the claim.

@jesuguru2394 4 года назад

He might have taken a bit of time to get there, but a couple minutes in he finally brought his point home well: that Wright doesn't clearly mention or allow for what the entire Bible gives testament to: God using disease/plague as a means of judgment and wrath. In some circles, it isn't politically correct, and it isn't Wright.

@bmstellar 4 года назад

jesuguru Wright’s article was not designed to give a full biblical view of pandemics. Also James has no way of proving if COVID 19 is due to abortion or gods wrath. The Bible shows God using various means to execute judgement but that doesn’t equate to the current pandemic to be that. It’s Pat Robertson type stuff. James response just simply isn’t helpful.

@bmstellar 4 года назад

jesuguru I would also add that many do talk about Gods wrath including Wright. It just isn’t front and center like it is with the Calvinist Baptist or neo-reformed. So called reformed proponents don’t seem to like it when their emphasis on certain issues is not shared.

@jesuguru2394 4 года назад

@@bmstellar Interesting responses. White quoted Wright expressly saying, “not only is it not the Christian vocation to explain, it IS part of the Christian vocation to NOT explain”. I’d like to know where in the Bible this is, as it’s far more presumptive than anything White said here. White didn’t say this must exclusively be considered judgment, but precluding it as a possibility as Wright did by precluding *any* explanation whatsoever (including judgment/wrath) is unbiblical, especially in light of how often God pronounces judgment and issues calls to repentance through those acts of judgment (decimation by sword, famine, disease, natural disaster) throughout the OT and NT. Wright says we should lament. Maybe, but how do we know? Where does the Bible say lamentation is always a right answer, but not consideration of judgment/repentance? White called for balance of both sides, Wright excluded one side. How is your criticism of White “helpful”? And when saying White isn’t “helpful”, helpful to whom, and by whose standard of helpfulness? If a person has a terminal illness, the most helpful thing they need is not vague assurances, but accurate diagnosis. Was Paul being unhelpful when in Romans 1 he declares God’s wrath is being revealed (ongoing)? And that’s against all “ungodliness and unrighteousness” throughout history - not just abortion, which tellingly you chose to mention though White did not here (though he could well have). And why refer to the "so called" reformed? Hard to see it as anything but a thinly veiled pejorative, thinly veiling your bias. I wouldn't call Wright a so-called Anglican, merely Anglican. But You’re entitled to your own opinion, no more or less than Wright/White/myself (and for the record, I don’t always agree with him). I wish you the best. Blessings

@bmstellar 4 года назад

jesuguru Straw man city. Continents are on fire. Im not going to argue against claims I didn’t make or your assumptions. I’m pro life, Anglican and hold to the 39 articles as foundational so I am not sure how “telling” any of my comments have been but whatever. I would simply encourage you to look into the doctrines of God’s absence and lamentation. James take is not helpful or pastoral.He doesn’t know why God is doing what he is doing and he would do well to say that instead of trying to be the reformed edge lord. That being said, lament is clearly biblical when we don’t have answers. I have spoken. 😁

@harrydaniels1942 Год назад

I have a cross because I want to show that I thank Jesus for coming to his Kingdom and suffering our evil against him and triumphing over us, leading us out of the grave and into eternity with him, that sign that all the evil of the world will be put right. Not because I think God’s wrathful. Outrageous thing to say.

@phillipgriffiths9624 3 года назад

I have read most of Wright's books. He spends a lot of time caricaturing what we believe and offers a sanitized version of Christianity. It is quite simply wrong.

@SeanWilliams90 5 месяцев назад

Which writings? Wright has stuff more for the lay person and other stuff for the academic.

@katiecugini979 4 месяца назад

@SeanWilliams90 yeah, I'm curious which books he is referring too.

@Athabrose 4 года назад

Ok Boomer

@jesuguru2394 4 года назад

Have anything useful to add?

@Athabrose 4 года назад

jesuguru not really I think Robert M below said what was needed. I would only add that I do not know or presume why this pandemic is happening but I do know this, life is a vapor and the only hope we have in times like these is our hope in the finished work of Christ Jesus I don’t need to speculate on what God is doing during times of trouble I can only rest on what God has done through our Lord Jesus Christ. I would pray that James, myself and all believers keep this at the forefront.The fullness and acknowledgement of Gods wrath, justice, love, and mercy have been displayed for us all at the cross. This is the message a sick and dying world needs to hear. There is no honey without the sting and no sting without the honey.

@Bobballlives 4 года назад

@@Athabrose lol 6:45 is when he goes full baby💥'r

@Athabrose 4 года назад

guilt_magic lol yea, God bless James but he sounds like my boomer dad.

@Zndwls 4 года назад

I believe that one major problem with N.T. Wright's theology is its high degree of symbolism. That, coupled with Wright's highly academic and intellectual approach to Christianity, at times clouds and dims his understanding of the Gospel and of the Bible to a lamentable degree. Brothers and sisters, let us keep praying for Wright, so that his faith will become much more Biblical, Jesus-centered, and God-glorifying!

@fernandopaulus9088 3 года назад

Lol this is the funniest thing I've ever read

@Christian.5 2 года назад

@@fernandopaulus9088 One of the greatest things I've read about NT Wright! (So True)

@katiecugini979 4 месяца назад

@@Christian.5it's incredibly arrogant. Is NT wright correct on all of his doctrine no but neither is James White and neither am I. NT Wright is considered one of the grestest New Testament scholars of our day.