Nadu vs Necrobloom vs Jodah vs Will and lucas cEDH Gameplay

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@davebiedermann4524 Месяц назад

The biggest problem isnt Nadu its everyone just runs 20 counter spells and 2 pieces of removal.

@sepeterson86 Месяц назад

^this. Play more removal.

@insertnamehere9566 Месяц назад

Nadu triggering off opponent removal is a thing too, potentially just never resolving your removal bc they just trigger trigger trigger trigger stacking after the removal trigger, like a scute swarm, land, more scutes, trigger something like ivy lane denizen, target scute, repeat. Or they flip into a counter or flicker spell and just save nadu, hell flipping into a land might be enough to pay for a counter the nadu player was tapped out for

@Dinnky13 Месяц назад

Honestly perfect video showcasing nadu

@cedhtvgameplay3974 Месяц назад

Yeah Snuske did a good job.

@insertnamehere9566 Месяц назад

I feel like Nadu might get banned purely for it's basically slow play. I can't see many ppl who have to sit there (for perspective. The final Nadu turn was almost 60% of the video alone. And once it starts with a handful of cards. It does exactly that every. Single. Time. With basically zero variance.) And watch some1 play solitaire for 15 is mins straight. I'd be hesitant that if any1 doesn't have an answer to any of the free ability cards like shuko, it's safe to just scoop on the turn if they can present a reasonable number of upfront activations

@cedhtvgameplay3974 Месяц назад

If casual players ask for this in drovws it might happen. I mean paradox engien was banned for that.

@firefighter0ger809 Месяц назад

just to make sure. Snuske could have won the game clean and easy when Cradle hit the board. You can just draw through your deck without casting your win cons like Snuske but with 9 green tutoring for a clean win would have been as easy.

@sepeterson86 Месяц назад

I don't think any card should be banned because RU-vidrs with large followings tell viewers how to feel about a card based on one video showing what's POSSIBLE and not what the average experience is

@insertnamehere9566 Месяц назад

@sepeterson86 except this IS the average game for Nadu. Its literally just how the commander works, and how you capitalize on it with a bunch of non deterministic 0 cost ability cycles to spam the actovations and hoping to flip or tutor into a scute swarm. Sure you CAN whif, but just as he said in the video even with as low a land count as 29, he's never gotten that many triggers and not hit a land. Nadu is effectively a four horseman commander. Playing him at cedh lvl is effectively garunteed slow play. And idk where you were getting the bc streamers say so I'm or others are just bandwagoning. I fully explained why Nadu probably should/would see a ban. It's like 80% not about the power lvl of Nadu, its the slow play. The power of Nadu just turns what would be an annoying commander to deal with into a nightmare of "don't let it resolve or else enjoy the 3 hour game as the simic player masterbates with his deck in a corner until he wins

@insertnamehere9566 Месяц назад

@cedhtvgameplay3974 honestly Nadu in casual wouldn't be bad. It's similar to dockside. As power goes up so does the power of nadu. No skuko/greaves and scute swarm and like 90% of the problem of nadu goes away. If it sees a ban it's bc of feels bads from the forced slow play of the nadu controller, similar to why leovold got banned: strong enough at being the most dreadful thing to sit across from and you are garunteed to have a abysmal long game of durdling

@Enf1nit Месяц назад

Every time I play this deck less and less people want to play with me :(

@cedhtvgameplay3974 Месяц назад

It is not for casual.

@Spirited_skiing Месяц назад

And honestly it’s miserable in cedh too lol. Even there I don’t want to watch 30 minute turns

@NickIurato Месяц назад

I wonder why...zzz ZZZ zzz 😴

@Rabbit3 Месяц назад

Getting strong Krark and Sakashima vibes with how this deck spins it’s wheels

@MTGSavage Месяц назад

Good, hope you lose your playgroup for playing something this fucking dumb. 😊

@eyeh0 Месяц назад

I don’t think the nantuko token copies of flesh duplicate can enter as another creature if it’s already copying another creature. It would just enter as what it was copying, which I believe was a Kutzil in this case. If you want clone copies to enter and copy freely, the clone has to have entered as nothing first. In this instance, you would need a way to boost flesh duplicate’s toughness before it dies as a 0/0 when it enters without copying.

@NotAWhaleAtAll Месяц назад

Whenever you use Alphetto or Seeker, you can, at the end of the turn cycle, activate the ability targeting smth besides itself, like Nadu It does stop the loop, but you don't care, since you have an untap step right away Just an extra Nadu trigger

@Snuske10006 Месяц назад

Oh yea true ^^ No idea how I missed that xD Thank you!

@dragonfist Месяц назад

15:30 Nadu is not a spirit

@deathgiggis Месяц назад

Feels like I'm watching another Krark video. One player does the same thing for 20 minutes while everyone else has to watch, even though they're aware they're dead.

@richardsapingo1828 Месяц назад

Nadu is basically Paradox Engine with wings. Not necessarily in abilities but long turns that maybe or maybe not wins you the game.

@Racnive Месяц назад

The big question is "When do I concede to Nadu?" In a tournament, not until they've demonstrated a deterministic win, which they eventually will assemble. Outside a tournament, it's a matter of triggers and mana. Each trigger has X% of hitting a land, and a land gives you Y more triggers. For most lists X is around 30%. Y depends on the board, but by default it's going to be approximately 2 + 2-per-token. (You'll be able to play a dork with 1 mana, and each creature can be triggered 2x.) So without any synergies, it can't go infinite. With 1 synergy and a couple triggers, it's anyone's guess. With 2 synergies and a couple triggers it's more likely to go infinite than not. With 3 synergies and bunch of possible triggers or extra mana (like 10+ combined), I would concede. (This isn't exact, there are plenty of complications, but our goal is a conservative estimate using only public information.)

@ThisNameIsBanned Месяц назад

Biggest problem with nadu, it plays kinda like Paradox Engine, as you have to durdle around a long LONG time and you MAY fail. Had games with turns lasting 30+ minutes, just to either win or fail.

@pixielilla7369 Месяц назад

It’s not quite as bad as paradox engine, but it’s pretty close… the biggest problem with paradox engine was that it made *every* deck have this problem since it’s colorless

@pippofelipe6901 Месяц назад

@@pixielilla7369 the big problem was the long turns, the fact that it was a colorless 5cmc interactable staple was not the real problem imo

@joshholmes1372 29 дней назад

@@pippofelipe6901it's the 2 together.

@twhite9615 Месяц назад

WotC screwed up pretty bad with this commander

@Gradeus Месяц назад

One quicker way if you have a secure gamestate is finding Unctus, then using Aphetto Alchemist to tap/untap itself to loot the rest of your deck. You can keep the cards you need along the way, and then plop down Thoracle. Obviously this is a riskier pattern then plodding along non-deterministically, but it is a way to end the game faster if allowed to. There's also the Rotpriest/Nanogene combo, which is just a goofy 2-piece brick, but can also end the game faster. Nanogene copying Nadu is pretty funny. Finale is the safest but as you see here it can solitaire for a while

@Vescense Месяц назад

Please dont ban. Finally a commander i enjoy playing and playing against

@chiefdragoon9693 Месяц назад

I understand needing to make the video a bit longer but with 0 interaction in any opponent's hand, the rest of the video was just Nadu playing with themselves until completion. Boring.

@bradcallahan3546 Месяц назад

Keep crying because you’re bad

@HVjugo Месяц назад

I think that Krark/Sakashima is harder to pilot and can be annoying to play against if the pilot is not good at representing the stack, but it's still less obnoxious to play against than Nadu

@CrunchesFPS Месяц назад

Agreed.

@ecclesiaandune687 Месяц назад

Absolutely false , Nadu is slow, but you can interact with it. Krarkashima with deflecting swat and fierce is not

@HVjugo Месяц назад

@ecclesiaandune687 fair, but not my point, a lot of things need to happen for that kind of protection to be of any relevance to my state of mind. What makes Nadu turns worse is the fact that he is not drawing cards, basically casting no spells, and fishing for a win a card at the time

@panadasinpajamas Месяц назад

Hey Mons I do constantly update the Jodah list still, I just haven't done many tournaments lately because there haven't been many in-person events on the west coast of the US and online events haven't been firing too well

@rhettnorman8451 Месяц назад

ok im fairly certain that he was playing flesh dupicate wrong at the end. it is a kutzul and making copies of it would make more kutzuls. it loses the flesh dup ability to change into something on etb but gains vanishing. he shouldnt have been able to make copies of other creatures because what the nantuko sees is a kutzul

@cedhtvgameplay3974 Месяц назад

no it sees it as flesh duplicat.

@rhettnorman8451 Месяц назад

@@cedhtvgameplay3974 copiable values" (C.R. 706.2). If that creature is a copy of another permanent, the tokens will be copies of that permanent as well. In the case of a Clone that isn't a copy of anything (which will generally happen only if something is raising Clone's toughness), each token will enter the battlefield as a copy of Clone, and in turn, its controller can have that token enter as a copy of another creature (C.R. 706.5). If a Clone is a copy of something else, the tokens will be copies of that permanent (and not another creature of their controller's choice) (under C.R. 706.2, a permanent's copiable values are "modified by other copy effects", including effects already on the permanent).

@Snuske10006 Месяц назад

@@rhettnorman8451 i believe since we are making copies of the object nantuko is attached to this is different. But I'll look into this further when I get the chance to confirm. This rule seems to only apply to when you have something else enter as a copy of what flesh duplicant is a copy as. Which would of course be kutzil. But this is not what is happening here.

@rhettnorman8451 Месяц назад

@@Snuske10006 unfortunately the difference between the situation is casting one from hand is isn't currently anything and you get to pick what it becomes vs. making a token of something already in play. If you look at the rules text for splinter twin on gatherer it explains what happens in the third rules text box. "If the enchanted creature is copying something else when the ability resolves (for example, if it's a Renegade Doppelganger), then the token enters the battlefield as a copy of whatever the enchanted creature is copying, plus it has haste."

@Snuske10006 Месяц назад

@@rhettnorman8451 oh interesting. I was not aware of that. Luckily I think it was at a stage where it did not matter much. I believe I could have managed fine without it. I'll make sure to remember this for the future though. And find the citation for it so I can actually know when this is relevant ^^

@rosembermorales1995 Месяц назад

Before i clicked this video, i thought it was like multiple game plays xD.

@ericyang8474 Месяц назад

That Nadu looks like it'll be a headache in my next LGS Commander night, good to see what it's capable of this early on. Something like Blind Obedience/Thalia Heretic Cathar and Deafening Silence seems to be needed to slow land chains or number of cards being played. Maybe Leisa Shroud of Dusk as a sideboard if it really gets annoying.

@Kizzet373 Месяц назад

By the way, if you create copies of a clone, it just takes a snapshot of that clone. So if it is a Kutzil, you'll be making copies of Kutzil

@caterinagerbasi1594 Месяц назад

I feel like Pontus is a really good player in any color that is not green.

@cedhtvgameplay3974 Месяц назад

might be true. He don't like green.

@juggernautstark1 Месяц назад

@@cedhtvgameplay3974he’s good, that list was pure trash - played too many combo only cards, not good in a vacuum cards. Or only good with X in play. And necrobloom being 3 pips sucks & basically chasing to find Gitrog might as well play just play Gitrog if you’re going to play the bad cards. Many ways to skin a cat, but it’s not a turbo deck. I incidentally win on turn 4 but my opps don’t get to play bc I play good cards and use it as a passive value engine.

@caterinagerbasi1594 Месяц назад

@@cedhtvgameplay3974 he doesnt have the green mentality. he doesnt see t1 dork into t2 something big into something bigger is good

@InmAncalagon Месяц назад

I remember an episode where Pontus played a Selvala list he knew very little about and he played it really really well and got a win not many people would have found

@caterinagerbasi1594 Месяц назад

@@InmAncalagon the dude knows his magic. no one doubts that. but it always strikes me like he is not confortable with greens play pattern

@zaq1712 Месяц назад

Mons, will there be another time you test out JMCraig’s animar deck or any animae deck in the future? There’s been quite a few changes to it since the last time it was played

@cedhtvgameplay3974 Месяц назад

Not ATM no. But futrure maybe.

@alanschellenberger9356 Месяц назад

We just all have to agree to kick nadu in the shins so we can play the game instead of just watching

@pippofelipe6901 Месяц назад

Paradox engine on wings folks 🐦 rc don't like this kind of turns, right? 😂😂

@bilaldjzniceva4872 Месяц назад

is scouting trek a good card in Nadu, I feel like its a bit risky but if its not countered you can guarantee your nadu land drops

@rcmemorysurfer1613 Месяц назад

Is magic supposed to be a solitaire game?

@TheBadass98 Месяц назад

Essence Flux only gives a +1/+1 counter to a Spirit

@Saruma_tm Месяц назад

what site do you guys play on?

@cedhtvgameplay3974 Месяц назад

It is actually a combination of playtesting on moxfield and using OBS as a webcam to send that feed to spelltable. I have a video tutorial explaining how to creat that set up for free in this youtube video link. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3xYR639ZwDo.html

@Kizzet373 Месяц назад

Yo. Play Erinis + Street Urchin. It's such an incredible matchup against Nadu.

@msolace580 Месяц назад

huge mistake for nadu to put lands in or not making it a draw, both would balance it better

@zacharymccutcheon8607 21 день назад

I mean, if you're playing in a tournatment. Is nadu viable or does every game just go to time?

@tristownsproductions7472 Месяц назад

Doesn't flesh duplicant when copied make the same creature it is copying? Idk

@Snuske10006 Месяц назад

It will be a copy of the printed card which is duplicant :) so it can enter as a copy of whatever once again

@ElSkizzle Месяц назад

@@Snuske10006It makes a copy of a creature. If the creature is a copied Kutzil it will make another Kutzil. I don't see any indication why it would copy the card.

@Ezikyl Месяц назад

@@Snuske10006Thats not correct. If you copy a clone, you get a copy of the cloned card, not the clone itself. Rule 706.2 reads: „The "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object, as modified by other copy effects , by its face-down status, and by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set power and toughness“. Important here is „as modified by other copy effects“

@Snuske10006 Месяц назад

@@ElSkizzle because copying an object copies what is printed on the card. Not what it is a copy of.

@Ezikyl Месяц назад

@@Snuske10006 look at the rules on gatherer of Sakashima of a Thousand Faces: "If the chosen creature is copying something else, then Sakashima enters the battlefield as whatever the chosen creature copied"

@kaisersoto4448 Месяц назад

Ouch- I’m conflicted. I usually encourage people to play whatever they want in cedh- but if playing outside of a tournament I personally hope not to see this deck much. In a tournament absolutely play whatever deck you think is best.

@sepeterson86 Месяц назад

Turn zero conversations happen for a reason

@user-cf7vs7vk3t Месяц назад

Nadu is toxic. It's incredibly boring being part of anything involved with it except playing it. The real way Nadu wins is by the board conceding out of boredom.

@ElSkizzle Месяц назад

feels like Krark/Sakashima

@sepeterson86 Месяц назад

Free will allows anyone to scoop and walk away

@Inspectornills Месяц назад

hmmm, can frozen aether be a good card against Nadu? IMO, I think that once people start respecting Nadu, like what they've been doing with Kinnan or Krark, then I think Nadu's win percentage will fall off a bit but I'm glad that we have a new potential deck for top cut along with Blue Farm, Rog/Si and Sisay.

@TripsAhoy Месяц назад

❤❤❤

@mrmannimaker8509 Месяц назад

Legolas quick reflex could have short cutted the durdle

@scubadragon6384 Месяц назад

Could he not have payed to make a copy of flesh duplicate, which enters as a new nadu reseting all his triggers?

@crazykhespar8487 Месяц назад

More Nadu, heck yeah

@crazykhespar8487 Месяц назад

Run more spot removal lol

@kevin45186 Месяц назад

Mons a love your content ! , maybe one day i can play with US ? :3

@cedhtvgameplay3974 Месяц назад

Write to me on discord. micromonkey we might be able to make something happen.

@kevin45186 Месяц назад

@@cedhtvgameplay3974 ok thankyou so much :3

@kevin45186 Месяц назад

@@cedhtvgameplay3974 Of course thank you so much :3 , i write you soon :3

@CrossoverPsycho Месяц назад

Nice video, first time viewer, but I will be back ;) to the comments: Why does everyone complain about the Nadu gameplan on a cEDH channel? Do you want every combo to be 2 cards to win the game like thoracle? - "oh no my game lasts longer than 20 minutes, this feels like casual commander" I dont get the hate for nadu - yes its different and yes it can take a while to present the win but its nice to have some variance in cEDH otherwise every deck would be Blue Farm, RogSi, Kinnan or Najeela and the pods would become boring. And for the ones complaining about WOTC designing an overtuned commander: MH3 IS A MODERN SET! intended for use in modern - yes its legendary and I can see why: imagine 2 of them on the board in a 2 player format Maybe Nadu will force the meta in a way that makes him obsolete, who knows but its nice to have a meta change once in a while :)

@ferventalchemist Месяц назад

NAHH DUHH

@marmuuu4349 Месяц назад

Never played during paradox engine times but I'd imagine this is what it felt like?

@N3VVZ0M Месяц назад

Hey I know you

@deathgiggis Месяц назад

It's exactly what it felt like. Also similar to Krark, the thumbless

@galsaig2320 8 дней назад

Mons your find mana crip turn 0 and go to card rou angen turn 2

@ecclesiaandune687 Месяц назад

People really upset about nadu like we really want to watch Breach or Thoracle lines for the thousandth time :)

@dfetzer707 Месяц назад

Simic Krarkashima! Love the Nadu

@skabba Месяц назад

nooo after the Flesh Duplicate you could have played Ornithopter and trigger Nadu twice edit: not that it truly mattered 😂

@moderneaux Месяц назад

Orcish won't trigger

@cedhtvgameplay3974 Месяц назад

No but it will focus towards the Nadu player.

@Josephhof Месяц назад

Nadu getting smacked soon lol

@rocklobster512 Месяц назад

This is the second video where you misunderstood a key part of Nadus combos and gameplay. Maybe read a primer?

@Snuske10006 Месяц назад

Naaah duuh

@frankmagyar5532 Месяц назад

Nahh du 😂

@josephmarcum8201 Месяц назад

Your playing necrobloom wrong 😭 I play my version in cedh games and have alot of success

@cedhtvgameplay3974 Месяц назад

his opening hand options diden't give him much room to swing with.

@MasterDecoy1W Месяц назад

Woooooow, who could have seen this coming? I hope the Rule Committee doesn't go back on their philosophy and treats Nadu like any other card and not a hyped piece from a new set that is currently making WotC money. That would be a huge shame if the RC let their -paymaste- I mean, a completely unassociated company profit from shitting up the format they claim to moderate.

@MTGSavage Месяц назад

Simic cancer continues. Oh and it was compared to the only other cEDH deck I despise Krark/Sakashima, SHOCKER...

@hip5702 Месяц назад

Nadu is the most annoying commander now. Krark and Tayam got nothing on Nadu xD

@ANZalliance Месяц назад

I built Nadu and played a few times before shelving it. It plays the same as goldfishing and I felt bad for making my opponents wait things out as I could have whiffed

@florianserres1590 Месяц назад

Luckily in my lgs we have a 5min/turn limit rules..

@billymtg Месяц назад

I think nadu is a cool deck. I also think it needs to be banned. the winning turn takes so long and a big reason is tracking which creatures have been targeted and token generation. I've watched many videos with nadu and the non nadu players always seem to get a little salty watching nadu fumble to a win.

@sepeterson86 Месяц назад

They're salty for knowing they've lost. It's a slow burn.

@twhite9615 Месяц назад

This is what WotC wants

@MasterDecoy1W Месяц назад

@@twhite9615 Create cards that make the paper experience shitty, thus driving people to the digital client. ~WotC marketing genius, probably

@Vescense Месяц назад

If they ban I'm just done with cedh. Finally a commander that changes the meta

@twhite9615 Месяц назад

@@Vescense It changes the meta in a bad way imo. Nobody wants to sit and watch u take a 20 min turn.

@user-bh9fb2kf5m Месяц назад

this is the problem with nadu. rhystic and mystic are almost always stay and noone answer them in cedh to have an opportunity to answer combo, so the nadu stays too. nadu is just a third best draw spell but in command zone (maybe even second, cause mystic costs mana every turn)

@jacksonkmartin Месяц назад

Everyone's being super negative about Nadu in this comment section, but this was way more entertaining than a blue farm thoracle-consult or breach win. Also, I'd be willing to bet most Nadu win turns don't take that long to find wins. Snuske's deck wasn't even running the other win cons that Wounded Satellite's primer runs.

@anthonybarsotti2723 Месяц назад

I hate Thoracle/Consult but at least it wins in like two seconds, this is maybe the most convoluted wincon I’ve ever seen in a cEDH match.

@jacksonkmartin Месяц назад

@@anthonybarsotti2723 I’ve definitely seen some non-deterministic Vadrik and Gitrog wins on this channel. That’s partly why I enjoy them so much. I’m hoping Nadu wins more quickly in most situations.

@anthonybarsotti2723 Месяц назад

Definitely, I love non-deterministic decks, this one just seems extra slow in its current state. Not to mention it’s going to be even slower in paper when you consider managing all of the tokens and counters, that stuff is way easier to do on Moxfield.

@jacksonkmartin Месяц назад

@@anthonybarsotti2723 good point. I wonder if pilots figure out ways to speed it up.

@marcellomonaco757 Месяц назад

EVERY cedh table deserve a stax player. Its a fact

@w.s6124 Месяц назад

can we ban this? So boring to play against.

@DiegoRodriguez-tg1jt Месяц назад

Nadu’s ability make you draw??? In this case there is an ability of orcish ??

@buddieschiknful Месяц назад

It has the "Put into hand" text, not "draw a card"

@iPhoneeditor Месяц назад

Nadu gives you way too much for way to little mana and way to little effort. It dirdles around a ton and is so non-deterministic. It feels like simic Krark and Sakashima in a sense, but unlike that deck nadu will still probably end up way higher on resources in the end even when it "wiffs". I think this commander is bullshit and designed exclusively to do bullshit. I'm not excited to see this deck at any level of play...

@worldmedic3187 Месяц назад

This is worse than watching Ironworks Combo in modern.

@chiefchowmein5498 Месяц назад

God I hate solitare decks that take toooooo damn long to win boooo

@STIPanda 21 день назад

I fell asleep during the Nadu players turn. Its such a long winded and uninteresting deck. Nadu was pushed way too hard.

@_Valediction Месяц назад

nadu needs to see a ban. that is just ridiculous. like i normally enjoy these videos, but that was just stupid.

@sepeterson86 Месяц назад

Nope. Not ban worthy. There are better commanders that need banned before Nadu. Just because he's the new kid on the block and people need to respect him doesn't mean people shouldn't get to play with him

@deathgiggis Месяц назад

IDK about ban worthy, but not an enjoyable video to watch

@bwild40 Месяц назад

It's week one. People need to calm down and try different things. Let people adjust and tune their decks then we will see. It's way too early to ban a card.

@ErnieKuhz Месяц назад

I disliked the video

@user-pw1hi5hf5o Месяц назад

like your comment. I also dis and report.

@crossr1984 Месяц назад

Wow, Nadu looks super fun. 🤢

@Macattack1023 Месяц назад

I think Nadu is going to get banned for this exact reason it takes 20minute turns!

@Ubermunki3 Месяц назад

This card is shit

@cedhtvgameplay3974 Месяц назад

ou mean nadu?

@sepeterson86 Месяц назад

Nah, it's just new and demands respect.

@lapsehc Месяц назад

nadu... 🤮 not a fun magic card

@sepeterson86 Месяц назад

Play removal

@user-pw1hi5hf5o Месяц назад

@@sepeterson86 - 40\40 0 mana haste - simply play removal

@TheTalladega238 Месяц назад

Don't play that deck again, so glad I watch for almost ten minutes one guy playing with himself. Will definitely just scoop if this happens, don't care if they can wiff. Deck is trash, blue is a trash color, Simic is trash.

@deathgiggis Месяц назад

I love watching their videos, but games like this force me to close the video early.